/lit/ - Literature

>>3837875

Because you have narrow taste and expect everything to cater to your expectation that all art should be "representative" and not just be aesthetic pleasure for its own sake.

>>3837875
Artists like Rothko go in and out of vogue. Sometimes his paintings are worth a bunch, sometimes you can get them for a (comparative, if you're an art dealer) steal.

>>3837875

>>3837875
>not digging the Rothko

>>3837875
>What makes visual art so much better and meaningful than the written word?
Easily to show of. There is no need to understand the basic of a painting. While it requires a fuckton of knowledge to tell how great some painting is, even a baby can enjoy looking at it.

Some people have shitloads of money and don't know where to spend it. That's the only explanation.

i didn't like rothko at first but now i liek his mudkips. the problem is that his works are exhibited with completely incorrect lighting, ruining the effect he's going for.

>>3837959

What's the correct lighting? Just curious.

>>3837889
>representative" and not just be aesthetic pleasure for its own sake.

Literally anyone can produce that work of art in a few minutes. Or buy a copy of it for $100 and appreciate it.

Something else is happening here, some sort of delusional vanity

>>3837875
While that painting is worth that much, paintings from the Renaissance are priceless, in the sense that they haven't been sold for over a hundred years. The approximate insurance cost on Mona Lisa is incredibly high.

I do like Rothko though. His paintings are very aesthetically pleasing.

>>3837965

go ahead and do it then.

Take a photo of your masterpiece and show us how easy it is.

I mean, if any talentless hack can do that, then surely you possess the same kind of genius, right? It's not like formal balance or subtleties of texutre mean anything.

Seriously, go ahead. I'll be waiting here.

>>3837875

The description is hilarious, "A seminal masterpiece"

hahahahah.

>>3837965
>Literally anyone can produce that work of art in a few minutes.

Do it then.

>>3837965
yeah and the first apple computer sold for $650,000 at auction and it's so slow it can't even play angry birds! wtf is going on here! this is INSANITY!

What sucks about our culture is that you aren't allowed to tell someone that they really are just not smart enough to get it.

most of it is corruption and money laundering

think of it as ancient bitcoin

>>3837970

If people didn't know it was a "Rothko" its value would be less than the canvas it was painted on.

This is simply the phenomenon of branding and hype. They aren't paying 75million for the painting itself, they are paying 75million for "a Rothko"

>>3837978
>go ahead and do it then.

>doesn't understand how branding, marketing and hype works

>>3837994

This ain't about branding. This is about aesthetic merit outside of social context. 0/10 misdirection bro

>babby doesn't know what value is

read a book

>>3837994

No, you don't have to sell it for 75 million or whatever. Just reproduce the painting. Go on.

>>3837992
yeah and when they sell a guitar jimi hendrix played at auction they aren't just selling a guitar...they're selling jimi hendrix's guitar! holy shit! this is a conspiracy and an outrage!

>>3837963
his pieces should be seen in very low lighting, like at the movies, so that the colors emerge from the darkness.

>>3837978
>>3837983

BOOOOOOM.

Super focis

Artfags jelly?

Dat gradient.

>>3838055
now if you could just go back in time to when no one had seen some shit like that and present it before rothko you could be an art star

>>3838055

Nope.

No creativity in the brushstrokes, all just bland uniform texture. Composition is bland. The form is uninspired. All the borders are the same have no character.

Try again.

>>3838055
Are you serious? I dislike that guy's art but if you think your is the same, I think you should go to a art museum.

The problem with money is that it makes are seem as if it has objective value, but it doesn't and never can.

So saying someone paid $75 million for it, isn't saying anything at all really. It just means that some dude out there finds the painting more valuable than having 75 million dollars.

Things only have value in a social context and only relative to an audience.

Aesthetic value in itself is a meaningless concept, value is always relative to someone who "has the value" for an object.

>>3838055
you really think that looks at all like the rothko? other than sharing an element of triadicity they are totally different...wow, way to be a pleb.

See Rothko's massive work in person. It's strangely stirring.

I'm going to be "that guy" and say it.

You don't "get" Rothko.

There. I said it. Feel free to call me an elitist, pretentious dick if you want.

>>3838001
>they're selling jimi hendrix's guitar! holy shit! this is a conspiracy and an outrage!

I'm glad you understand the difference between a valuable "memorabilia" and a work of art that requires skill to produce.

this painting is a memorabilia more than a work of art.

It's actually probably an investment, it probably wasn't bought by an art enthusiast anyway, more likely bought buy someone who understands that rich people value art and Rothko is a strong brand.

>>3838088
oh sheesh so you're one of those "art = skills" guys? sorry but you're talking about "craft" not art. get a clue.

>>3838055
if you were serious about your art you'd be a yellowist
http://animalnewyork.com/2012/yellowist-sentenced-to-2-years-in-prison-for-vandalizing-tates-rothko/

as it stands your work is incredibly amateurish, try again

>>3838066
>I dislike that guy's art but if you think your is the same

If Rothko painted that it would be worth a few hundred grand easy.

It's an investment. Art, unlike literature, is like a stock exchange.

>>3838092

Yes, and? We all know the market is run by idiots. All media markets are run by hacks. That doesn't say anything about the intrinsic value of the work itself, just that the people who go to such venues are shallow.

>>3838092
well too bad we'll never know because he would never paint such a piece of shit

>>3838079
before i saw one in person, i thought klein's blue paintings were trolling. in real life, the blue has depth, it practically sparkles. i wish i could fall into the color. i'd love to have a room painted klein blue.

How does one begin to "get" conceptual art like this?
Also, is figurative art becoming more respected now that the vehement rage against it has died down?

I don't know understand this shit either, the only art I like is from Renaissance, more specifically Michaelangelo's sculptures.


that shit looks skillful and technical.

stuff like op pic...all I see is orange block, red rectangle, blue rectamgle .

fuck you faggots

>>3837875

Call it Tulip Mania.

An item is worth whatever dumbfucks will pay for it.

>I find it strange that no modern book or poem is this valuable

Maybe it's because books aren't supposed to be unique like a painting.
But a good example are kafka's handwritten manuscripts. They are worth millions

I wonder what it would be worth if the buyers weren't told who painted it.

3 Colors on Canvas, Painted by Anonymous.
Probably sell for $400-600 I imagine.

Where is my $50 million cheque?

>>3838055

I'll give you 10 million

>>3838114

>I don't get it

>Therefore it is objectively shit

No OP, you are the faggots

>>3838121
Don't quote me on this, but some people got their toddlers to go to town on some canvas and pretended that actual artists created the results, and no one knew the difference.

>>3838097

Art that takes no skill is not art.

You are probably confusing skill in execution with skill in creativity.

You can have something poorly crafted and executed that is remarkable in its creativity.
Or vice versa.

If there is no skill in execution and no skill in creativity, it can hardly be called art. Which is why that painting is so shitty. Its not only a trivial execution, but as an idea its uncreative.

>>3838129

There is nothing to get, you shit. It's literally four moderately aesthetically pleasing colours painted in sequence.

>>3837875

>ITT idiots whose egos aren't strong enough to admit they don't get something without trying to make themselves feel better by saying "therefore it's shit"

>Is "high-art" always shit by default?
There have always been artists throughout history who have capitalized on the ignorance of the wealthy.

There is a massive difference between making art and painting. Some people just don't know that.

>>3838102
>We all know the market is run by idiots. All media markets are run by hacks.

Indeed, which is why the $75 million says nothing about its intrinsic value.

>That doesn't say anything about the intrinsic value of the work itself

An object has no value in itself.
Value is something a subject feels towards an object.

>>3838136

>Using the term "art" as a value judgement.

No. "Art" is an anthropological category. In terms of value, it means jack shit.

People with opinions like yours are the reason there's so much baseless shit being thrown around about abstraction.

If you don't like it, guess what? It's still art. Art doesn't give a shit about you. It just is. The mania over defining art in terms of value is just a hysterical reaction to realizing that objective judgement and categorization has nothing to do with someone's insipid, narrow-minded tastes.

>>3838113

This isn't conceptual art. It's the complete opposite of that.

Go see it in person. You can feel the painting. It's quite an experience that's hard to put in words.

>>3838137

>What is texture

>What is form


No, anon. You are the shits.

No seriously, you're throwing a temper tantrum over the fact that something that doesn't click with you is something other people like. Grow up and lose the ego.

That art is valuable for how much someone pay fo r it. Now if the person who paid 75 million were to paid that same art, he would get more money from it. As will they guy after him if sell it too. There is no love in art today, it's just buy and sell thing.

>>3838137
Its not worth that much. Its the sunk endowment effect shoved up the sunk cost fallacies ass harder than my fist and your mother.

"Wow, it costs 50 million dollars? It MUST be worth it if they're asking for that much. I mean, why would they ask for so much money if it wasn't an artistic masterpiece?"

*cough*APPLE*Cough*

>>3838152
>Trolling.
>On /lit/
Go to /pol/, bro, they love it.

> a seminal masterpiece
so, it's like, jizzing on the canvas? I could do that...

>>3838160
>Sunk endowment effect.
Endowment effect - Sunk cost fallacy.

Also the misinformation effect.

2 tired 2 write.

Market analyst here for one of the top 3 auction companies here.
If I had money, I'd buy some Rothko but I sometimes work in the 19th century department so meh.
Rothko is a painter of light and I like it.

>>3837970
Well actually, Renaissance paintings aren't that rare and only a few names make extremely high prices.

>>3838131
I think there is a documentary about this.

>>3838160

Except I'm not trolling. I genuinely think you're being an obnoxious ass because "OH MY GOD, I DON'T GET IT, IT MUST BE SHIT, THERE WOULD NEVER BE ANYTHING WRONG WITH HOW I SEE THINGS."

Go to IMDB, bro. You'll fit right in.

>>3838104
>well too bad we'll never know because he would never paint such a piece of shit

People have sold fakes all the time for a nice profit. Fakes as in, they weren't even produced by the named artist at all.

Counterfeiting is a huge market.
Counterfeit as in "this is a new X painting, shirt, book, song, perfume!!" and people overvalue it without realizing it.

>>3838175
I do get it, bro.

Its you that doesn't get it.

>>>/pol/

>>3838119
>Maybe it's because books aren't supposed to be unique like a painting.

Books and paintings have originals and copies.

>But a good example are kafka's handwritten manuscripts. They are worth millions

sure, its old and rare.
What new book is that valuable?
New originals of paintings are easily worth millions...why not new originals of books?

>>3838177

>Implying that everyone who likes a thing likes it with the same level of appreciation or intelligence

>>3838179

I'd rather not acknowledge a bunch of uneducated racists and wannabe-political theorists with terminal head-up-ass syndrome.

>>3838180
>Books and paintings have originals and copies.

And they are indeed valuable.

>What new book is that valuable?

See J.K. Rowling's latest sale.

>New originals of paintings are easily worth millions...why not new originals of books?

Only a few artists though. And books are first meant to be printed and read by millions.
Painting isn't meant this way (even if it could).

And sorry if there are some typos, just came back from work and it's almost midnight.

>>3838180
Because Paintings are things that you can show people and say "This cost me 100 million dollars. look how much i know about art." And the more obscurely artistic the painting the less they have to explain.

There, mystery solved. Literature on the other hand requires persistence, intelligence and education just to enjoy let alone create. hence you cannot just show off a book and claim you're educated.

>>3838183
They'd love you, you're wrong and think you're right; and above all you put words into other peoples mouths at the drop of a hat.

You were born for /pol/ my friend.

“The prospect of death - the tragedy at the heart of his art - moved closer. He was advised that his condition was not necessarily life-threatening, but that he must give up drinking and smoking and produce only small works.

But, Sandler recalled, 'Mark did just the opposite. He seemed to fall apart as a person, at least when he was drunk, which he often was. But still, he continued to paint.' Rothko left his wife Mell and family, and seemed terribly isolated and lonely.

He continued to paint, his palette often reduced to a bleak black and grey. On February 25, 1970, he killed himself, cutting his wrists and taking an overdose of anti-depressants. Kuh wondered whether it was success that destroyed Rothko. Another possibility is that he died of doubt that his art could sustain the weight of significance he placed on it.”

I would just like to weigh-in on this discussion.

Personally I don't understand it. I'm of the mind that if you told me your 4yr old son had created this at nursery school, I would believe you. It means nothing to me. However, I have no great interest in art. I cannot spot the difference between good technique and great; thus it would be arrogant of me to dismiss it so swiftly from my corner of ignorance.

I understand that art isn't about technique but about expression and perception; to me it looks like three blocks of colours to another it might express something deeper, primal. Perhaps something that cannot be easily expressed via tongue or written word.

I do wish, however, that people would at least try and explain -give some kind of meaning to why they think it's great. I would genuinely love to be able to appreciate art, but how am I supposed to learn to if people mock and tease instead of trying to teach. I do not believe it is something that is innate, either or.

>>3838192
I freely acknowledge that I don't get this kind of stuff. It's not my place to criticize things that I know nothing about.

I can get the gist of this one, but its significance is almost entirely lost on me.

>>3838187
>They'd love you, you're wrong and think you're right; and above all you put words into other peoples mouths at the drop of a hat.
>You were born for /pol/ my friend.

I'll admit that I do that sometimes, but the fact is OP's argument hinges on the fact that something subjectively does not click with him, and is trying to convince people that translates into objective criterion for judging art.

>>3838200
>>3838199

If only OP would learn from good men like you

We could also say the people who think its shit have gone deeper into the painting and understood it better than those who think its valuable.

>>3838199
>how am I supposed to learn to if people mock and tease instead of trying to teach
Those people are the ones you can honestly call elitist, pretentious dicks.

>>3838201
Please give me a long and extremely detailed post describing yourself as a person.

I promise i'll read it.

>>3838131
>no one

>>3838200
>I freely acknowledge that I don't get this kind of stuff. It's not my place to criticize things that I know nothing about.

Then clearly you should be open to the possibility that the OP is absolutely right.

>>3838199

Go see it. It's really the only way to understand abstract expressionists. Especially Rothko.

If you still don't get it, just stop worrying about it. You can even act like a smug ass and call people charlatans or whatever.

>>3838208

Nope, because I'm lazy and don't feel like it.

Also you're Hitler.

>>3838214

This.

Photographs don't do abstract expressionists justice. You have to see it in person. You don't get the subtle textures in a photograph.

>>3838205
I wish I could understand it. My intellect is lacking, and /lit/'s valuation of the intellect brings me guilt.

>>3838212
I am, but the possibility that he isn't is just as likely if not more so.

>>3838199
People should see the painting in real instead through a screen. It DOES change a lot (lights and all).
I like Rothko because his paintings emit light to me. They are highly soothing.

>I understand that art isn't about technique but about expression and perception
Not always. And that's the biggest mistake. Art is not always about a secret hidden message. Art can be as stupid as a bunch of brushstrokes on a canvas and yet it can remain beautiful.
As an art market analyst who went through 7 years of art history, my greatest advice would be to let the flow reach you. Don't overthink, there's no point to it, unless you're bored as hell.
Read some Kandinsky: his advice is similar and he even points that words are not always fit to describe experienced feelings through art.

>>3838218
But what do the subtle textures mean? What am I supposed to glean from this, a feeling of warmth? I just don't get it.

>>3838206
Its worthless artistically. That's the problem.

Compare OP's painting to this
>

Which artist would you rather erase from history? Exactly. Yet OP's art is worth infinitely more to the uneducated precisely because its worth nothing to us.

>>3838232
You're supposed to feel horrified.

>>3838234

You're projecting your subjective tastes and trying to convince us it's an objective criterion.

If you asked me to erase one from history, I'd say "fuck you", punch you in the face and save both.

Value isn't discovered in an object, like some hidden treasure.

Value is a judgment about the object itself.

There is no possibility of objective value, or value in itself, anymore than there is the possibility of objective deliciousness, or delicious in itself.

This is complicated.

>>3838232
>But what do the subtle textures mean?

Not the point of abstract expressionism.

>>3838234

I would erase Beksinski without a second thought. No one is capable of making me feel what Rothko does.

>>3838234
Sorry dude, but I take Rothko any day over your pic. But then again, it's subjective. Rothko is warmer, in my opinion and through my experiences.

>>3837875
you call it "shitty", monsieur, i suppose, as if that poor pun will diminish our admiration for duchamp's most profound contribution to european culture?

>>3838237
By the OP's image or the black one? Either way I am clearly completely off the mark.

>>3838241
>Not the point of abstract expressionism.
I don't know what the point is.

>>3838232

Whatever emotion the combination of colors inspires in you.

Also the SIZE of the canvas is important. A lot of these canvases are fuckhuge. You're supposed to get close up and just let it roll over you.

I had seen his work in images on the internet before but never got it, seemed like stupid bullshit. However, one time I was in Chicago and went to an art museum for the first time in my life and I saw one of his paintings. It really is different, I think it was possibly one of my favorite works I saw that day.

>>3838244
0/10

>>3838218
Size is also an issue here

"The reason for my painting large canvases is that I want to be intimate and human. To paint a small picture is to place yourself outside your experience, to look upon an experience as a stereopticon view or with a reducing glass. However you paint the larger picture, you are in it. It isn’t something you command."
—Mark Rothko

>>3838187
Going on /pol/ praising an artist named "Rothkowitz" is asking for a bad time

I always took /lit/ for the "this is objectively shit" type of board.

>>3838218
>Photographs don't do abstract expressionists justice. You have to see it in person. You don't get the subtle textures in a photograph.

Photographs are better than originals, you have to see photographs in person, the difference in texture is a benefit.

People who think originals are better don't understand the beauty of repetition and representation, clearly they are Plebs who "don't get it"

>>3838199
Go to an art museum. Just do it. One should never see art from an screen or photo.

>>3838253

>I disagree with you

>Therefore you are a troll

>>3838253
No, I'm serious. Give me any reason why Beksinski is the only true answer.

>>3837988
Indeed. Welcome to a side-effect of democracy: the delusion that everyone can have a (valid) opinion.

>>3838261
But what about the subjectivity being lauded in this very thread?

>>3838261

This right here

>I'm not an abstractionist... I'm not interested in relationships of color or forms... I'm interested only in expressing basic human emotions -- tragedy, ecstasy, doom and so on -- and the fact that lots of people break down and cry when confronted with my pictures shows I communicate those basic human emotions... The people who weep before my pictures are having the same religious experience I had when I painted them.

>>3838249
>I don't know what the point is.

I know.

>>3838239
If you'd read anything by Jeremy Bentham you'd know that even responding to you is a waste of my superior intellects time.

>>3838241
>>3838244
[long winded response to the trolls/uneducated]

>>3838254
Yea, i stay away from /pol/ but talking with a moderator a while back they told me that a lot of the trolls from here are regulars there. Easy to spot them though, like the two above.

>Size is also an issue here
The size of a painting shouldn't be a factor in its appreciation. Charnine is a good example of why.

>>3837875
here is my art

>>3838272
What is it then?

>>3838234
>how do into pure emotion and abstraction

>>3838275
*writes a check for 20 million*

>>3838256

Baudrillard please go no one likes you

>>3838180
sure but there is no artistical merit in the original manuscript itself. literature is about the content. it doesn't matter whether the author wrote it with pen and paper or via computer. you can appreciate a book as an ebbok exactly the same as a leather bound hardcover. the manuscript itself is only memorabilia

If possible, visit a museum that contains one or more Rothko paintings. Read what the plaque on the wall has to say about it, and then observe the art intently, taking note of its texture, brushstrokes, composition, subtleties in color. If you still think that a 4th grader could produce this, you have the mind of a babby.

Secondly, read up on your art history. Perhaps the reason you are so offended by Rothko paintings is that you have been overexposed to abstract art, as well as conditioned by media to abhor such things because the allegedly lack technical skill. When Rothko painted this, it was indeed a novel idea.

No further discussion is needed.

>>3838279
seriously though if you sat down with an art class of any college and asked them to paint a background, then add 3 blocks of any size with different colours, chances are one of them could make something close to this. it isnt talent or art, its fucking shit.

>>3838276

Take an art history course. Or read an art history textbook. I would recommend Gardner’s Art Through the Ages: A Global History, Volume II (Volume I is all ancient stuff, Volume II starts at the Renaissance, which is where you need to begin to understand 20th century art).

>>3838275

It sucks. Not as good as what you're imitating because the composition is bland.

>>3838273

>someone doesn't agree with you

>therefore they are trolls and probably /pol/fags to boot

What's it like living in an echo chamber you condescending pretentious little man?

Art is a lie and nothing is real.

>>3838283
you've failed to troll anyone, why are you still trying.

>>3838287
baudrillard pls

>>3838291

This BS strawman argument still?

>>3838292
Okay, will it reduce my plebbiness? All I care about is not being a pleb.

>>3838285
If someone doesn't agree with me then the statistics say that they are most probably very stupid.

Don't blame me.

>Man.
I'm a grill, now you have to agree with me because that little voice in your tiny brain is making you try and justify your existence through my sexual presence and approval.

>>3838290

Again with the brushing aside contrary opinions as "trolling." Then again, I would expect nothing less of a person with the ego to call himself "Reasoner."

>>3838302

Shut up.

>>3838268
Subjectivity of what? Of experience?

Here's the problem, though. 9 out of 10 commenters here are describing what is purely a reader-response, devoid of any context. Rothko's work -has- to be read against the history of art, against style(s), and "experience" itself is highly constructed.* To think that one can simply describe these issues *without* grappling with a multitude of critical/historical/philosophical issues = providing a reader response. Eg., "This makes me feel warm." It means nothing.

But, most people can't do that. And, as Kant helpfully reminds us, most people are also born into immaturity and do not haul themselves out of that state. End result? Ressentiment. Denigrate art itself. Deride it as trash, simply because one lacks the appropriate apparatus with which to engage it.

Because every opinion has merit, right?


* See Miriam Hansen's "Babel and Babylon: Spectatorship in American Silent Cinema" for one of the best accounts of how a new art form elicited new forms of mass responses/developed new models of experience.

>>3838294
my whole artistic point was to show how composition is bland, im being different by being shit. dont you get it, god you fucking suck at art if you dont get it.

>>3838273
assuming legitimacy while at the same time assuming a quality such as legitimacy to be non-existent.

Art is not about how good your skills are, but how much a rich retard is going to pay for your painting.

>>3838291
In my friends masters class for art they did just that. And put the paintings online, i'll try and find them, and someone literally offered a thousand dollars for the original. And they were all drawn in MS paint.

>>3838304

You're an amateur at this.

>>3838306
you've failed to troll anyone, why are you still trying.

>>3838310

This right here.

>>3838310
What if I just don't care?

>>3838311

Actually, you didn't prove jack shit, other than that you suck at satire.

>>3838304
But still. I still don't see where's trolling when we're talking something extremely personal.
I mean, you don't like Rothko, I'm fine with it, really. Art is extremely personal, after all.

ITT: people not realizing Reasoner is trolling

its fucking obvious, no one is this stupid

>>3838290

If you would like to argue, please analyze my assertions rather than blandly stating an ad-hominem attack

>>3838324

That's your problem.

>>3838320

Because I'm

>>3838324
An opinion is only valid if its right.

>>3838329

I do. I'm just seeing how far i get him/her to make an ass of himself.

Hopefully I can get him to be so obnoxious he gets banned.

>>3838324
Then don't care. That's perfectly okay. But don't, at the same time, offer an opinion and insist that it be taken seriously.

The problem occurs when people who "don't care" offer opinions and expect them to be engaged with, and get upset when they are brushed aside. See: most of this thread.

>>3838327
u mad bro
y u gettin so mad bro

>>3838330
>>3838332
you've failed to troll anyone, why are you still trying.

>>3838342

Not mad, just disappointed that you're a less clever troll than I had hoped. You lack lolz.

>>3838340
The problem is that the unengaged try to pretend to be engaged when they aren't truly engaged, Confucius said.

>>3838340
I'll be plebbing in peace.

"One day in autumn 1959, the critic and historian Irving Sandler met him on 10th Street in New York, and Rothko announced that he had just completed the series of works commissioned to hang in the Four Seasons Restaurant, allegedly the most expensive ever opened. He invited Sandler to see the pictures in his studio. 'It was a cavernous space in which he had built a mock-up of the restaurant in order to paint the murals in situ, as it were. We sat silent in the midst of these sombre paintings. At one point he said: "Can you imagine rich people eating dinner surrounded by this work?"' Sandler confessed that he couldn't, and Rothko replied that he couldn't, either, and that he had returned the restaurant's advance - a large sum he could ill-afford. Later, Rothko donated a large group of these works to the Tate."
.
"Rothko seems to have become increasingly unsure whether his paintings truly had the effect on viewers for which he hoped. Novak and O'Doherty described his examination of his own pictures. 'When he was seated before the work, subjecting it to his habitual hypnotic stare, he studied how the waxing and waning light veiled and unveiled incident, content and moods that appeared like so many chimeras. He gave the impression, as one watched with him, that the painting, particularly if it were a dark painting, was unknowable.'
From the late Fifties, Rothko's work grew darker. 'I curse God daily,' he confessed, 'because men are born to die.' His first retrospective, in 1961, at the Museum of Modern Art, New York, seems to have shaken his confidence.
He haunted the galleries, visiting the exhibition virtually every day. 'He was so curious about the response of visitors,' said Sandler, 'that he would follow them around, eavesdropping on their conversations.' This exhibition, which should have been a point of triumphant vindication, seemed to throw him. 'Until then,' according to Kuh, 'he fundamentally believed in himself and, more expressly, in what he was doing.'"

>>3838343
>thinking two people are the same

You have failed to troll anyone. We see through you. We also know where you keep your anime porn.

>>3837875
>Will writing ever be reduced to such a meaningless aberration?

>>3838343
Because my dad taught me something. He said, if you try and fail, son, try and fail again, son, and if you try and fail again, son, I will let you have sex with your mom. Shit, why not? She's pretty hot and I shouldn't keep all that to myself. That'd be unchristian. Plenty of ass for everyone. Hehuahuehahueha.?

>>3838352

That's what depression does. It distorts reality for whoever has it.

Rothko became an emotionally ill man, and was unable to overcome his illness. The end.

>>3838347
More or less. This is directly related to the fact that just about anyone today can make their voice heard (self-publishing, blogging, tweeting, what-have-you).

It just adds to the noise.

>>3838348
>bein mad
>tryin to offend me by insultin my intelligence
>its 2013
>ISHYGDDT

>>3838313
Why don't any art dealers like le nice guys like me :(??

>>3838352
>be weirdo
>blast diarrhea on canvas
>stare at it
>OMG $75m PLEASE SO DEEP 2DEEP4ME 2DEEP4EVERYONE THE DEEPEST I MUST HAVE IT $100M $500M ANYTHING PLEASE GOD LET ME HAVE IT

>>3838361

>Trying this hard when the jig is up

>>3838352
You could imagine being told your work was artistically purposeful by people who were cashing in on the craze at the time only to later discover you've been pursuing something for which there is both no merit or purpose.

That would be soul crushing to discover no one cares about your work asides the pretentious and the rich. Especially as an artist.

>>3838353
Anime porn is designed almost entirely for pedophiles, by pedophiles. I prefer things with a more realistic depiction of dicks and men rather than 12 year old girls with their stomachs imploded.

One night, lonely Hollywood superstar actor Nicolas Cage was after a movie shoot in Tokyo-3 and felt alone. He ached for the intimate companion that only the female body could brign him. He called his best acting friend, Robert Downey Jr, using his phone. "Hi Robert Downy Jr, do you want to go picking up women in the alcohol bars in Tokyo-3?" "I would love to Nicolas Cage, but unfortunately I'm rolling in bitches here, ha ha! Smell ya later!" and he hung up. Nicolas Cage was jealous of his friend's success with women. He was no slouch when it came to courting women and also having sex with them too, but he couldn't find The One. So he decided he would challenge himself: "I'll get drunk until I find the woman I will marry!" so we went to the izakaya alcohol bar that had food in Neo-Roppongi-3. He was there and got beer and immediately saw a vision of angelic beauty. He put on his best handsome voice and said "Hello, darling. Are you.... at least eighteen? Because I eat sexy for breakfast." She blushed and said in heavily accent broke english "You funny, yes I eighteen." "Hi, I'm Nicolas Cage." "I Rei Ayanami" and they shook hands and bowed, but then they kissed accidentally because they bowed at the same time, and they both blushed. "C-cage-san..." she said with nervousness with trembling. "Please, call me Nicolas. Let's say we... GO.... to my place and..." he twitched his arms, purposefully turning on the sexy "...eat each other out for dinner before breakfast."

>>3838368

They called a cab, immediately in the throes of passion, drunk on alcohol and sexual passion, like babboons in heat, but they weren't making babboon sounds, but you might have thought they were, so deep inside each other's passion they were. "Mhmhmhmh. Mhmmmhmhmhnmhhnm. MHNHMHMHNHMN. Rei, you are so sexy I just wanna eat you out and savor the flavor." Rei giggled and said "Y-you are so funny, Nicolas Cage-san, you make me poka-poka" and blushed. The taxi driver got to Nicolas CAge's penthouse and they got out and immediately started stripping each other of garments revealing hot skin. "P-please be gentle cage-kun, it is my first time, I am nervousness." she said and Nicolas Cage took off his pants and said "Don't worry babe, I got this." and he started going down on her while touching her breasteses with his hands. "U-uguu~" Rei said with pleasure and Nicolas Cage said "On a scale from 1 to flavorful, you're delicious" and she said "P-please jam it in Nicolas Cage-kun uwaaaAAAAAAA~" she said with pleasurign. He started putting his penis dick inside of her and out and inside again because that is how sex works. "unf, uwah~ uguu~ unnnn~" she moaned and Nic Cage was thrusting fast and said "Hngh HURHG HGUNGHARHG ngh HARUHGURHG HRUNGH
UURGH ARGH NHG NHARHG NUAUURUGH HGNAHRHGHN HGAHGNAGHHAHGUAGHNBNAWAWWWWARRRGGGBBBLLLLLLLLLLL" and they both climaxed. "I love you more than the sun rises" said Nicolas Cage, and Rei Ayanami said "Suki da Cage-san~" and they cuddled in the afterglow of their passion. "Would you like to see something beautiful?" and Rei said "Yes" and he took her to the roof of his penthouse to see his hot air balloon.

>>3838360
Yeah, man. What we need is an elitist and highly rigidly structured pedagogical caste system with some economic inequality thrown in to boot to stop the wise form being drowned out in a sea of untutored piss.

>>3838367
You're a bit of an idiot. Well-spoken, but still dim. It's interesting.

imo the only worthwhile art being produced today is anime. beautiful backgrounds, creative character designs, fun coloring, groundbreaking animation style. way better than painted squares.

>>3838365

Then do it.

>>3838371

But that's a strawman argument you dumb faggot.

Also there is no solution to this problem, our culture is fucked and there's no way to fix it because we have no better option than this. The end.

>>3838373
Aww, i like you too.

Nicolas Cage took her hand and together they got into the hot air balloon that inflated as if their love were inflating it instead of air. Together they rode it up into the starry night sky, holding each other with hugs of quiet passion. "I came here to find the woman of my dreams. But instead, I found the woman of the rest of my days" and Rei said "Oh Nicolas Cage~" and they kissed. "Sometimes, Rei... at moments like this, I just want to sing." "Sing me a song, Nicolas Cage." and Nicolas Cage sang "I... I wish you could swim." "Like dolphins... like dolphins can swim" Rei sang, completing the lyric. Nicolas Cage continued: "But NOTHING... will keep them awayyyy!" and Rei sang "WE CAN BE HEROES.... JUST FOR ONE DAAAAAY" and looked into each other's eyes. but then the Nerv alarm in Rei's watch went off. The pressed a button and said "This is Ayanami. What's the situation?" and Shinji said "It's terrible! The final angel is coming!" and Rei said "Roger. I'll be there." and the took from her backpack a collapsing glider. "Wait! At least tell me who you are!" said Nicolas Cage with heartbroken desperation. "I am Rei Ayanami, pilot of 00 Evagnelion." and she glided off. Nicolas Cage had one tear roll down his cheek, and he reached out to her. "Rei...." he said, and then screamed "ooooohhaaaaoooaooaoOAOOOOOOAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHH" in agonizing heartbreak.

It looks like the front cover of one the Very Short Introduction books.

>>3838379
CHAPTER 1: SOLID MOON RISING

Solid Snaek jumped off the bridge onto the tankered and called Otakon. "Solid Snake have you reached the tanker yet" Otakon said has he ajusted his glasses and watched anime. "Yeah I'm on the tanker now nobody saw me" said Snake. "Remember Snake you missed the tanker in New York and now you have to catch it while it's in the sea of Japan at Yokohama Bridge." "Yeah I know" said Snake. "Now hwat do I do" said Snake. "You haeve to snake around the tanker to find the metal gear" said Otakon and Snake said "Okay but why is there a metal gear" and otakon said "They are rogue bushists taking advantage of our alliance with Japan" and snake said "how dare they". And snake jumped off the rail and did a triple backflip while crossing his arms and pulling out guns and he fired and killed a guard. " I Hope there arew no bee people like there was in Vietnam" thought snake. "I checked there are no bee people" said Otakon and Snake saoid "I must have t been thining out loud again" and Snake and Otokon laughed a lot before Otakon said "okay now you have to focus on the mission" and Snake said "Okay". Snake saw two guards one was standing near the other and near a gas canister and there was a helicopter near them and snake thought "nice and hind-d" and he shot the gas barrel making it explaod killing one guard and making the other guard catch fireand go up at the heelicopter and hit the blades and get cut up into 100 pieces and go all over the bridge windshield making the captain panic and the helicopter got jammed from the body and it crashed into the boat made a fire and and there was panic and snake thought "nice a distraction" and otakon saoid "snake what are you doing this is a sneaking mission" and Sanke "in the battlefield sometimes you need distraction of loud so you can be more quiet." And he snuck into the part of the boat that was not fire.

>>3838371
That's another extreme (as I'm sure you recognise).

Economic inequality is well and alive, and more or less always will be as long as our world is driven by economics of scarcity.

What we *don't* need, and should work to stave off, is everybody coming under the delusion that their opinion equals an educated opinion. The difference between lay, amateur, and expert thought has been blurred. That is what needs to be overturned, and the distinctions made visible again.

Until then, most conversation on any topic will be 90% noise and 10% substance.

>>3838374
You very clearly don't get around much, artistically.

>>3838388
CHAPTER 2: MOON ALERT

Snake was sneaking around in the box inside the ship and he was careful not to make it catch on to fire. Meanwhile Serena and Darien were having sex in their car in the drive-in. she said "I never came before now" and Darien said "thanks" and they hugged. Deronn said "Wait what if you are pregnant" and Serena said "don't worry about it I'm not underaged since we're Japanese" and they laughed and did it again. Meanwhile Otakon said "Solid Sneak have you found the Metal Gear yet" and a Seake said "No" and Otakoin said "okay keep looking". Meanwhile the ship was on fire and the harbor police were panicking because they didn't have enough water to put it out. "If only sailor moon were here " the Harbor Patrol Colonel said as he tried to help the soldiers put out the fire. Meanwhile Snake was on the boat and his box caught fire. "AAAA" he said as he got out of it. And he walked further and a guard was there who heard him. "Otakon there is a guard there what do I doo" said snake and Otakin said "Snake you have to keep from killing him or else we'll be terrorists" so he used the tranqwiliezer gun and went on forward to the place in the ship where the metal gear was that he didn't know but guessed. Snake tied his banana and said "lets do this." Meanwhile in the park in the middle of Toykyo the sailors couts were fighting a monster headed by Zoisite who said "HAHA YOU CAN'T PENETRATE THIS DUEL ARMOR NOW" and she backflipped forwards onto the ground while throwing an ice at the sailors couts and Jupiter said "we have to evage." And they did. And Mars said "I could have melted the ice and saved us" and they laughed and started fighting again. Tuxedo Mask came and threw flouwer and Zoidite bleed. "Tuxedo Mask where is Sailor Moon"

>>3838377
It's not a strawman argument, delicious comrade. It's a sincere proposal. Unlike [everything is doomed bro batten down the hatches it's the end of the world]-tier despair, it's a solution that would be effective even despite the costs.

>>3838390
could paint that/10

try harder plz

>>3838396
But you haven't.

>>3838395

Except that would merely replicate the injustices that led to the current system.

also

>Implying any human being is fit to lead

It's cute how authoritarians never take into account the common sense fact that power actually does corrupt people, weak animals that we are.

>>3838396
I'll wait for you to return with better paintings

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>>3838390

no man, anime is the best art. it doesn't have to be abstract like the stupid shit that people hang in their houses and museums. also cool: Zelda fan drawings

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>>3838055

Jesus, remember back when you couldn't hide posts with a single click?

That was awful. Except now you can, and it takes one click to make spam posts go away.

>>3838413
Anyone who says abstract art is bad doesn't know what abstract art is.

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>>3838421
I concede my point and agree with all you have stated.

>>3838401
ah, it's cute, monsieur, how we authoritarians are so cute, that we are in fact AzN? but you know something, monsieur? the current system is not the product of injust---[abstract moral term denoting a complex of bureaucratic and political systems], but rather an even more complex system of historical processes.

this is why modern art is a joke

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>>3838432
Pretty much the only real period or style of art that is without merit is dadaism. Proclaiming yourself invincible to criticism through abstraction is idiotic because abstract art exists and disproves that position many times over.

But abstract is one of my favorite branches of art simply because it has the potential to be so eclectic.

>>3838367
I think it's more the case that what he was doing had personal merit and purpose, and it was taken up as "Great Art" by a lot of people who were only interested in his works as objects. When I'm walking through the Asian art galleries at my local museum, through the religious art, I wonder what the artists would think of these objects of very real sacred devotion being taken entirely out of their original context and made into "art-objects" devoid of actual meaning beyond their superficial appearance.

The museum is a colossal mirror in which man contemplates himself, in short, in all his aspects, finds himself literally admirable and abandons himself to the ecstasy expressed in all the art journals.

Behold!

>>3838445

Maybe I should have phrased myself better. Admittedly I'm not very good with art terminology. I should have said "modern art" instead of "abstract art." My apologies.

I was just wondering if people would rather that paintings make a return to bowls of fruit and greek goddesses.

>>3838452
slightly better, but the uniformity of line is jarring for the effect you're going for
try again

>>3838449
That's somewhat verbose considering that many people find nothing but chaos in art. Its an intellectual pursuit, hence it is emulated by the less educated and over average wealth; as most things of this nature are.

Art is a projection and doesn't invoke reflection it provokes desire in most. I agree but it is so much more complicated than you've put it.

Intelligence is basically an assurance you will be miserable, not ecstatic.

>>3838454
We're a little beyond that, i'm afraid. Surrealism meshed with realism and romanticism is where the most interesting art is going.

>>3838452
I'm throwing my millions at the screen but nothings happening.

>>3838464

Oh, that's good then. I'm glad that's happening. You still acknowledge that modern art has/had value, though, yes?

>>3838470
You mean like op's stuff? The minimalist modern art movement? Of course it has value, its purpose is to show us the value of art which takes actual talent and emotional devotion to make ... by serving as an example of the opposite.

Art as a whole is only getting better, though. What with the invent and availability of tablets and engineering software. A painting can now be the size of a fucking building if it wants to be and as detailed as you care it.

oh god this thread is shit and should be maimed, clearly no one has an idea of what they're talking about, full of pretentious fuckwits

>>3837875
In ISLAM, the written word (calligraphy) can be very valuable indeed, but that is because in Islam the beauty of writing is an art whereas in the west the beauty of writing lies wholly in the pleasure of the meaning of the words.

>>3838495
I have an online degree in art studies that i printed off after an hour of reading, don't fuck with me.

this is admittedly way better than anything Rothko did

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=NqFD-INbxOo

Skill itself is subjective.

Jesus fucking christ, why aren't you getting 75 mil over a painting then? You probably don't even make art. You're putting art into a cage and expecting everything to fall in line with it.

"My 4 year old could do that"
Your 4 year old could also do everything else that is art. Are you saying you are unable to make art?

>>3838544
>My 4 year old could do that.
>Why isn't your 4 year old a millionaire?

There are scores of children making their parents rich because of this very fact.

>>3838497
Book of Kells I'm pretty sure is priceless.

>>3838548

This says more about the fact that most people are too stupid to distinguish between good and bad art.

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"AHHHH, MY EYE!!!! I'M ONE-EYED!!!" CRIED IN PAIN GOK.

"HAHAHA, NOW I HAVE TWO DRAGON BALLS!!" SHOUTED A HAPPY VEGETA.

VEGETA FLYIED TO THE GROUND AND PICKED THE BALL. HE WAS HAPPY AND GOT IMMEDIATTLY ERECT WITH PASSION AND LUST. GOKU'SS EYE WAS ON THE GROUND AND VEGETA PICKED IT, AND STARTED TO RUB AND FEEL IT. HE WAS VERY LIKING, BECAUSE GOKU'S EYE WAS SENSUAL. SO HE FLYIED BACK WERE GOKU WAS IN THE HEAVEN:

"IF YOU DON'T LET MY YOU OTHER DRAGON BALLS I'M KILL YOU OTHER EYE!!"

>>3838607
"NEVER, I WON'T DO THAT, EEVEN IF I LOSE MY DICK!!"

GOKU WAS COURAGEOUS, AND PROTECTED THE BALSS WITH HIS LIFE. HE WILL NOT LET VEGETA RULE TH WROLD. THE BLOOD WAS FLOWING THROUGHT THE LEF EMPTY EYE SOCKET, AND IT WAS BLACK. VEGETA LAUCHED A CONTAMINATED KAMEHAMEHA, CONTAMINATETE WITH HIS EVIL AND WANTONNESS. THE BLOOD TURNED A ALMOUST BLACK RED, AND STARTED TO BOIL.

"AHH, MY BRAIN IS BOILING!!" CRIED GOKU IN PAIN, BECAUSE HIS INFECTED BLOOD WAS REACTING ON HIS BODY. VEWGETA TOOK GOKU'S CARELESSNESS AND FLYIED TO HIM AND STARTED TO PUNCH HIS BELLY WITH A TOUSAND PUNCHES. GOKU VOMITED HIS STOMACH, THAT FELL ON THE GROUND AND SPLASHED. AT THAT MOMENT GOKU KNEW HE WAS GHOING TO DIE, SO, TO NOT LET VEGETA USE THE DRAGONBLLAS POWEWR, HE LET HIS RAGE GO OUT. HIS PENIS GOT LANGE, BECAUSE IT WAS FULL OF INNFECTED BLOOD BOILING, AND IT STARTED TO ESCAPE THOUGHT HIS PENIS PORES. IT WAS HURTING BUT GOT WENT RAGE, AND STARTED TO SPANK VEGETA WITH ALL HIS POWER.

"UUAAAAAAHHHHHHHH, YOU ARE KILLING ME!!" CRIED VEGETE, WHO KNEW GOKU GOT THE UPPER HAND. HIS GREATEST ERROR WAS THE EVIL KAMEHAMEHA, BECAUSE IT TURNED GOKU EVIL, SO GOKU WAS KILLING HIM, BECAUSE HE TURNED EVIL NOW.

GOKU PUNCHED WHIT SO STRONG HANDS VEGETA'S SPINAL CHORD RIPPED HIS BACK AND WENT A THOUSAND KILLOMETERS FLYING IN THE ATMOSPHERE. HE HAD NO BACK NOW, BUT MANAGE TO FLY BACAUSE HIS POWERS. HIS FLESH GOT GROUNDED, AND MILLIAONS OF PIECES OF HIS NOW DEAD AND ROTTEN FLESH FLYIED IN ALL DIRECTIONS.

"NOW YOU WILL SE!!" SAID GOKU, WHO PUT HIS HAND ON VEGETA'S DICK AND STARTED TO SHRED IT. PULSATION VEINS FALLED ON THE GROUND, SCREAMING AND MOANINGG. SO GOKU PICKED VEGETA'S BLADDER AND PUT IT OUT WITH SO VIOLENCE IT WENT OUT WITH HIS BOWELS AND STOMACH TOO. NOW VEGETA IS A DEAD CASCKET OF A MAN, ONLY SUEVING BECAUSE HE IS STRONG. BUT NOW, VEGETA TURNED GOOD AGAIN, BECAUSE MAJIN BUUS CONTROL VANISHED, BECAUSE HE WAS SUFFERING AND MAJIN BUU DON'T LIKE SUFER.

"GOKU, SORRY......."

GOKU KNEW VEGETA WAS GOOD AGAIN, AND HUGGED HIM. HE WAS FEELING SORRY, BACAUSE HE NEVER REVEALED HIS FEELING TO VEGETA.

"VEGETA, I HAVE SOMETHING TO SAY...I LOVE YOU..."

VEGETA EYES OPENED A LOT, AND HE LIKD, BECAUSE HE WANTED TO SAY THE SAME THING.

"I LOVE YOU TWO GOKU."

THE TWO STARTED MAKING OUT. THE WHERE VERY GENTLE WITH ONE ANOTHER. VEGETA HAD NO PENIS, SO GKU WENT TO HIS BACK AND STARTED TO PUT HIS MAN MEMBER ON VEGETE. VEGETA WAS LIKING, BECAUSE HE GROANED AND MOANED LIKE A CAT. GOKU PUT HIS HANDS ON VEGET'S TORAX AND RUUBED IT STROKED IT WITH PASSION AND LUST. VEGETA LIKED.

SO, THE TIME CAME AND GOKU WAS READY TO LET OUT HIS PLEASURE JUICE. HE HELD THE MUCH TIME HE COULD, TO THE PLEASURE BE BIG. AND THEM, HIS LET IT OUT, A BIG SPLASH OF HAPPYNESS AND JOY, BUT SADLY, IT SPILLED OUT OF VEGETA'S BODY, BECAUSE HE HAD NO FRONT, SO THE CUM COULD NOT REST ON HIS COLON.

THE TWO HUGGED STRONGER, AND THEM, THEY STARTED TO FALL ON THE GROUND. THEY WERE DEAD.

THE END

You can't take judgement on a painting like that without understanding its context.


People get so bent up about this shit and they just need to relax.

>this thread

>>3838577
What the god fuck are you saying.

ITT: rectum ravaged special snowflakes shite all over other's opinions by claiming that art inspires them with feelings they cannot adequately express with words (on a literature board).

>>3838675

he is saying that he is MAD/10

>>3838597
>>3838600

>>3838248
>duchamp
I think if he saw what had come of his work, he'd be clearly upset by it.

His readymades were genius. He knew what the was doing. Making a joke of the art scene/museums that were bustling at the time.

Improvements in technology also obviously played a role. Namely photography. The skill of being able to paint accurate capture of life is much less today.

>Skill without imagination is craftsmanship and gives us many useful objects such as wickerwork picnic baskets. Imagination without skill gives us modern art.

FEMALE CATS ARE SEASONALLY POLYESTROUS, WHICH MEANS THEY MAY HAVE MANY PERIODS OF HEAT OVER THE COURSE OF A YEAR, THE SEASON BEGINNING IN SPRING AND ENDING IN LATE AUTUMN. HEAT PERIODS OCCUR ABOUT EVERY TWO WEEKS AND LAST ABOUT 4 TO 7 DAYS.[153] MULTIPLE MALES WILL BE ATTRACTED TO A FEMALE IN HEAT. THE MALES WILL FIGHT OVER HER, AND THE VICTOR WINS THE RIGHT TO MATE. AT FIRST, THE FEMALE WILL REJECT THE MALE, BUT EVENTUALLY THE FEMALE WILL ALLOW THE MALE TO MATE. THE FEMALE WILL UTTER A LOUD YOWL AS THE MALE PULLS OUT OF HER. THIS IS BECAUSE A MALE CAT'S PENIS HAS A BAND OF ABOUT 120–150 BACKWARDS-POINTING PENILE SPINES, WHICH ARE ABOUT ONE MILLIMETER LONG;[154] UPON WITHDRAWAL OF THE PENIS, THE SPINES RAKE THE WALLS OF THE FEMALE'S VAGINA, WHICH IS A TRIGGER FOR OVULATION. THIS ACT ALSO OCCURS TO CLEAR THE VAGINA OF OTHER SPERM IN THE CONTEXT OF A SECOND (OR MORE) MATING, THUS GIVING THE LATER MALES A LARGER CHANCE OF CONCEPTION.[CITATION NEEDED]
AFTER MATING, THE FEMALE WILL WASH HER VULVA THOROUGHLY. IF A MALE ATTEMPTS TO MATE WITH HER AT THIS POINT, THE FEMALE WILL ATTACK HIM. AFTER ABOUT 20 TO 30 MINUTES, ONCE THE FEMALE IS FINISHED GROOMING, THE CYCLE WILL REPEAT.

>>3838742

Actually, more like people who don't understand the difference between two completely different kinds of painting try to judge one by using the criteria of the other, when they are mostly incompatible.