/lit/ - Literature

> emerge from

Thanks.

"sometimes you have to die a few times before you can really live"

>>4074974

I sense some sarcasm, sir? anything you wish to discuss?

>>4074969
>feeling enlightened
lying to yourself is enlightenment now? oh wow

>>4074969

how old r u? how long was the crisis?

>>4074993

Im 34 now, and it lasted pretty much throughout my 30's.

>>4074969
"Because everyone else is just like me"
Fucking moron

>>4074977
No, not a bit of sarcasm. I'm in the midst of a crisis too, and it just helps to read about others in similar circumstances, or having made it out. Hopeful messages are very helpful for keeping the body moving.

>>4074969

k

>>4075000
the only way to "win" with the crisis is to accept that there is no solution to it

i don't consider lying to oneself a "win"

>>4074969
>Hang in their fellow sufferers, it's getter better believe me.
And then it gets worse again.

>>4075046

saved

>>4075005
Of course there is a solution. Unless you're talking about the existential crisis? In which case there's also a solution. Doesn't require resignation. You can find out what life is meant for and what life means. That brings it to an end.

>tfw you emerge from the bathroom and lose all will to continue reading

>>4075005

The existential crisis you're talking about involves the rejection of any real objectivity in the universe, rejecting any absolutes, right?

Preaching that this crisis has no solution is propagating an absolute, filled with objective meaning.

Suffering is for the weak.

Live close to death, know yourself, and you will have strength.

Live with the realization your life can end the next day, and it will end for certain, and you will be able to do as you please.

Start lifting.

Cures everything.

Go for a jog. Take a nice unclogging unbloating shit that makes you feel 10x lighter. Realize that these toxins are inhibiting your endorphin production.

Realize.

>>4075147

watch those gains, brah

is 19 too young to have an existential crisis?

people still have existential criseses? kinda cute

>>4075147
>>4075173

Total bullshit. Exercise is a shallow medicine for a shallow soul.

>>4077499
No

>>4075141
Suffering is for neither the weak nor the strong...just for people unlucky enough to experience it. Anyone can be struck by lightning. Live close to death? Edgy.

>>4075105
Reading in the bathroom is the best.

>>4074969
>Hang in their fellow sufferers, it's getter better believe me.

Sounds like grandpa wants to make sure those SS checks keep coming.

>>4077537
>Total bullshit. Exercise is a shallow medicine for a shallow soul.

>manplanet here

>>4077537
Damn, you are quite the wise person.

Do you have any advice you could give to me, focusing wise (reading long books) and also how or where to look for the best inspiration?

the lows just stopped being so bad
and the highs come on command

>>4077503
Yeah you butt, not all of us are facebook idiots who spend 24/7 thinking about going out to bars and being a 100% social and not have our own dignity. (I think the correct word is sellout.)

>>4077554
what does somebody having an existential crisis think about again exactly

>>4077560

>>4077537

>Exercise is a shallow medicine for a shallow soul

>Exercise
>scientifically proven to improve mood, hormonal health, blood flow, etc
>endorsed by a number of philosophers across multiple cultures
>shallow

Confirmed for having never reveled in the physical ability of one's own body as a moving, working machine. Enjoy having your weak, frail mortal coil drag your mind down with it to wallow in ill health and unfulfilled potential.

>>4074969
I've found that such crises will happen repeatedly, but I feel better and better at the end of each one.

>>4075005
A question with no answer is an invalid question.

>>4077588
>Having existential crisis
>Go for jog because I hear it solves shit
>Existential troubles continues during exercise
>Existential troubles continues as I get home
>Existential troubles continues

Existential troubles is not a goddamn depression

That's how I felt when I emerged from an existential crisis into nihilism. Never looked back.

ima ima read my way out of this!!! ima ima dig myself out of this hole!!! ima ima ima

>>4077499
No, I'm having one at the age of 18

existential crises are fake

it's an invented problem by people who haven't got anything serious going on in their lives

>>4077722

>this naive schoolyard logic

existential crisis can also be experienced within a midlife crisis - a point where people have nothing BUT serious shit going on in their lives

blindly speculate more, tardboy

>>4077588
Getting your spasm on doesn't solve conceptual problems, friend. It's a good supplement to quietism though.

>>4077722
All problems are invented, silly girl.

>"all you need to do is exercise!"

>>4077537
>Total bullshit. Exercise is a shallow medicine for a shallow soul.

Confirmed for weakling. Exercise and lifting helps. You're just too lazy and since you suffer from learned helplessness you refuse to do anything that demands effort to change, instead you wallow in self-pity.

So be it.

>>4079049

>>4079049
I dunno dude. Depression is an actual illness. Imagine lifting with the flu. Depression is like a hundred flus, and a fucking anvil sitting on your chest. You can't move, you can barely breathe. All you want to do is die. Now, go lift weights.

>>4079069

Yes, and lifting actually makes depression better. http://www.mayoclinic.com/health/depression-and-exercise/MH00043

http://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/brain-bootcamp/201009/can-exercise-cure-depression

Now keep those excuses for being lazy coming. Let's hear it. Buhu, I'd rather wallow in self-pity because I'm too lazy to actually get off my fat ass and DO something because I'm a pathetic weakling, bu-hu.

And I'm being rather infantile on purpose in order to get my point across.

>>4079076
I've become increasingly convinced that pop-science like this qualifies as hate-speech. If you've got serious depression, lifting won't help. Further, you won't be able to do it, because you literally won't be able to move. Saying doing exercise is a cure-all is just a way of making sick people feel guilty for being sick.

If you want to experience depression, take a shitload of speed, some MDMA, then fall down a flight of stairs. Imagine living in that state for months. Then imagine some asshole telling you that you could get out of that state by lifting fucking weights.

>>4079076
It's not laziness, and I agree exercise does help, but some days you can't even work up the motivation to get out of bed. If you have never been depressed before don't act like you have a magical answer for us. We've thought of it, it doesn't change anything.

Also all you guys need to realize that there is a difference between clinical depression and just feeling like shit

>>4079089
>Then imagine some asshole telling you that you could get out of that state by lifting fucking weights.

But you could. The problem is just getting these people to DO something.

>>4079091

>some days you can't even work up the motivation to get out of bed
>it's not laziness

Pick one.

I'm not in the midst of a crisis but over the following year and a half I've finally become fully aware that in the grand scheme of the universe nothing you do in life (including suicide) matters. There is no purpose to anything we do other than to make sure our time isn't ripe with boredom or feelings of no self worth. Am I wrong /lit/?

>>4079076
If not lifting its good to do something with your life it just so happens lifting s easiest when you feel like shit

>>4079102

Not really.

>>4079089
That is, the state of the come-down from that drug-cocktail.

You know that feeling you get when you're just about to fall and there's nothing you can do to stop it? That total, all-encompassing dread when you know you're truly fucked? I've been living in that feeling for about a year.

>>4079089
>some asshole telling you that you could get out of that state by lifting fucking weights.

But it's not what I tell them. It's what happens in their brains when they lift and exercise. There are processes they are not even aware of that improve their lives, not to mention the obvious added benefits of lifting (like grills noticing you, more self-worth, actually having a healthy hobby, etc).

And I know what being depressed is like. I was for 18 years of my life until I ditched my stupid fucking psyciatrist, who didn't help squat, and started lifting. At 20 now I am a completely new man. All it took me was some self-discipline and determination, and I refuse to believe that it requires anything more than that from other seriously depressed people.

>>4079099
You're an idiot who doesn't understand how the brain works. Motivation is a physical thing. You can't choose to have motivation. There's a famous case of a woman who had a stroke that caused her to be incapable of willing herself to move. You can't fucking move when you have a depressive episode. It's not that you choose not to. It's not that it would be easier to lay still. It's that you can't fucking move.

>>4079122
Dude, nobody is depressed from age 2. You were probably just going through some teenage blues and some hack medicated you. You don't know what you're talking about.

>>4079099
It's like talking to a wall. It's not laziness, you're not doing it because you prefer laying in bed. You're doing it because the thought of going out is simply to much to bear. You just physically and emotionally can't do it.

>"Hey anon, stop being depressed like a fag, and be happy, like me! Come on man, I'm going to go run for a marathon, come with me! Science says it's good for you and will turn you into a stupid normalfag pleb like me! No homo, bro!"

>>4079132
>taking things that literally

Are you autistic? What I tried to say was that, for as long as I can remember I have been depressed, and it was extreme in my teenage years between 13 and 15, including a suicide attempt.

>>4079136
>>4079125

Not that guy but I completely agree with him, to be honest. There were a lot of ups and downs at first but with willpower and determination I changed. Others can too and I'm certain of it.

>>4079136
True that. When I get depressed, I can't walk properly. I find it hard to co-ordinate my hands to do simple tasks. it's really very physical. You can't just go for a run, because your legs just wouldn't move properly. You'd fall over, or fall to a halt.

>>4075147

Start lifting. Curse everything.

FTFY

>>4079149
Dude, it's not autistic to assume when you say 18 years, that's what you mean.

You clearly just grew out of your teenage angst when your hormones balanced out, judging by the fact you evidently don't know how depression feels.

>>4079154
and youd know because you tried as new years resolution and quit when it started getting tough, right?

>>4079156
>judging by the fact you evidently don't know how depression feels.

Go fuck yourself.

>>4079150
Fine, it's all about willpower and determination. The problem with being depressed is you have neither of those. Maybe you have a period of relative (and I do mean relative) ease and you can get out a bit, then lifting will help. If you're in the midst of it all though, it would be like telling someone with a broken leg to "just walk it off" or "stop thinking about it so much"

>>4079109
Is there a reason to do anything whatsoever then?

>>4079159
No, why should I?

No therapist in the world would say to a depressed person: 'lift weights, unless you're a pussy'. Do you know why? Because it's pig-ignorant, shitty advice. If that advice sounds good to you, you clearly don't know what the fuck you're talking about, and thus, clearly don't know depression.

>>4079161
I always thought it was a bit like telling a shark-attack victim with no body below the ribs who was busy dragging himself over a beach of broken glass to 'go for a brisk jog'.

>>4079165

He didn't say that to me either you fucking retard. Learn how to read

>lel ur lifetime depression was just hormone imbalance not like my REAL one at all xDDD xDDD

No seriously go fucking fuck yourself you pig-ignorant piece of fucking shit.

>>4079161
>typical depressed faggotry
depressed people are their own worst enemy though. they refuse to take action and responsibilty for their own wellbeing and instead mope around til shit finally gets so bad they decide its not worth living.

>>4079076

what you people have to realize is that some people with depression are also misanthropes and acting like a complete asshole to people who already feel bad isn't going to make them feel any better about people (because most people have this "depression shaming" attitude anyway)

although I realized the futiliy of seeking pity on the internet long ago, so i'm not encouraging that kind of thought.

personally I exercised for about half a year awhile ago and it seemed to make me feel worse. lifting some weights or doing pushups isn't going to make you feel any less repulsed by other people, or help you find your "way" in life.

>>4079171
1. Same person.
2. That's exactly what you said. Depression is the only illness fucking morons think the sufferer should take the blame for. It's like being a fucking leper, not only suffering from leprosy, but also having everybody throwing stones at you for being a sinner.

>>4079173
One day, you'll realise you're a shitty person and change.

>>4079173
>typical depressed faggotry
Great way to address the argument.

And no shit I'm my own worst enemy, I'm perfectly aware of that. I'm perfectly aware that I'm at least partly responsible for the way I feel, and that makes it feel worse. So yeah, I can sit around and mope until I get a handle on things, then I'll worry about putting my life back together.

>>4079180

I said I ditched my psychiatrist because he was shit. That's all I said. Idiot.

One day, maybe you'll realise you're a shitty person and change.

>>4079186
>So yeah, I can sit around and mope until I get a handle on things

have you considered doing something about it instead?

>>4079188
I don't care what kind of person I am. Too busy being tortured erry day.

And, when you say there's a simple, volition-based solution to an illness, you impart a sense of guilt to the sufferer. If somebody doesn't stop a crime, that they could have easilly stopped, they are guilty. If curing depression is as easy as lifting heavy objects, then depressed people are guilty. Why would they not take such a simple exit? Because they are inveterate pussies? Weak, slovenly fools?

>>4079195
>Weak, slovenly fools?

It's what I was. It's probably what you are.

Tell me then, besides *thinking* hard about it, what are you trying to do to improve your situation?

>>4079189
Who's to say that I'm not? I'm still getting out once in a while, I haven't completely alienated myself from friends, and I'm back in school and getting back to work. It just takes time, not someone saying "bro, you need to lift"

>>4079197
I'm not weak. That's absurd. I have the one illness that's so bad that people kill themselves to escape from it. When I see people lying in bed from flu, I think 'hah, weaklings, I go through 10 times that every day, and I still get around and do my ordinary business.'

I put a shitload of will into doing things like brushing my teeth. Getting up in the morning. Not believing the world is terrible.

>>4079209
>I have the one illness that's so bad that people kill themselves to escape from it
>that one illness

You know, you sound like a self-absorbed egoist who seems to believe you're a gift to the world. Just off yourself, you pathetic weakling.

>>4079180
>One day, you'll realise you're a shitty person and change.
why? because im not sugar coating it and patting you on the back saying "just hang in there, you poor snowflake"

fix your diet, go exercise so your body can sustain itself, stop reading and listening to shit thats going to wreck your impressionable mind.

>>4074969
>Euphoria

>>4079218
tl;dr
check yourself before you #rek yourself

>>4079226
k. just know when your at the end of your rope that it didnt have to be this way but you chose it

>>4079218

people have already explained that these things don't work for them so why do you keep reiterating yourself? it just seems like you're trolling now.

stop thinking everyone is synonymous with each other.

>>4079209
>im not weak
>i put a shitload of will into doing things like brushing my teeth, waking up


my bad bro, didnt know it was that harsh. keep fighting the gud fight bro!!!!!!

>>4079232
i can tell from how pathetic these people are that theyve never tried it for more than a day. guaran-damn-tee it

Well to comment on the latest discussion: I think the guilt-tripping of depressed people in here is absolutely disgusting.

It seems to be one guy taking out his self-hatred (hatred of his depressed past that is) on people who are currently depressed, projecting his past situation onto them as if it will fit them perfectly.

Motivation is not some untapped resource everyone has equal access to. If you truly want to help depressed people you find ways to improve their health, environment and motivation resources, not guilt-trip them for lacking good ones.

>>4079241

>I can infer everything from a few image board posts

I wouldn't expect anything less than "just lift u faggot pussy" from someone with your grasp of logic

I have, there's really no way I can prove it, and you only make people more depressed by your complete lack of empathy (which extends to most normalfags)

>>4079253
see
>>4079239

doesnt take an expert to see these people have no backbone

>>4079252
But to get back to the OP:
>Existential Crisis
>An existential crisis is a moment at which an individual questions the very foundations of his or her life: whether his or her life has any meaning, purpose or value.[1] This issue of the meaning and purpose of existence is the topic of the philosophical school of existentialism.
This seems retarded to me. Life doesn't inherently have meaning since meaning is a human construct. So why should asking a simple question that has a simple answer be labelled a "crisis"?

Maybe it would be better-defined as someone disliking the current meanings of their life. In which case the solution would be to adapt your life to more pleasing meanings.

>>4079209
>Not believing the world is terrible.
>2013
>ISHYGGIDTY

>>4079261

ooohhh, more logical fallacies. maybe you should try to cultivate your mind a little in between all that lifting.

although it's obvious that poster was joking at least somewhat...humour, maybe another you can refine.

>>4079274
>b-but he was joking
>manipulating other peoples comments to try and impotently help my own
think im done here. enjoy your "life" as you see fit

>>4079283

> I think 'hah, weaklings, I go through 10 times that every day, and I still get around and do my ordinary business.'
>not obvious satire

nice autism. later.

>>4079122
It worked for me. Therefore, it should work for everyone! Great logic.

I do twenty push-ups a day, and I go on a 20+km hike each week, and it doesn't help my depression noticeably.

So go shove your pseudo panacea up your ass for the sake of the world.

>>4079288
>satire
nope

>>4077499
Mine started when I was 8 years old.

>>4079164
Does anyone have an answer?

>>4079818
because you want to

>>4079818
There is no reason to do anything but there's also no reason not to do anything. The total ambivalence doesn't come with a predisposition towards idleness, which is what a lot of people wrongly assume.

>>4079826
Is there a reason to do to?

>>4074969
>Implying my whole life isnt a long, dark existential crisis

>>4075147
>

>>4074969
>tfw I DO know that feel!

>>4075141
Purposely feeding yourself delusion and convincing yourself you will ACTUALLY die the next day? Sounds beautiful, but after a while it will not be as glorious. I say just expect death to come and embrace it.

>>4077537
Working out isn't only for looking good or staying in shape. Many people do it to feel good, as do I.

>>4077499
I, and certainly many of us here, had existential crises as children. I started pondering my own consciousness and place in the world at 9.

>>4079290
You need to lift.

When you deadlift 250kg+ or Squat 200kg*5 you get rush of endorphins. You feel high for the next hour and everything just feels right for a day or so.

Works better than the drugs did for me.

>>4077544
>Calling the biggest nihilist wise

>>4077662
Is that like a coping mechanism?

>>4079293
Nice, brah

>>4079195
Fuck guilt, man. You, yourself, is all that could ever possibly matter and the advancement of yourself should be your top priority.

>have existenial crisis
>go into deep depression for about 1 year
>one week skip all my classes and just sit in my room thinking about life and killing myself all day long

I am not really depressed anymore. I have pretty much stopped giving a shit. I think I have gone into full on Sisyphus mode

>>4079165
I would take depression over constant, nagging, intolerable boredom and "schizoid hunger" any day. See the positives of your given situation and use it to better your situations at hand.

>>4079969
and captcha: totally filmpti

>>4079966
I would not describe my lifelong existential crisis as depression or leading to depression. I do not even know if I know what depression is like. But such an existential crisis does make me consider suicide. I couldn't bring myself to suicide, so I hope some tragic accident ends my life somehow, at least occasionally.

too busy having a surrealist crisis
>tfw your apple won't wash the cat on a Tuesday because the occupant of 2C plays bingo and reggae in a hereditary plot to disadvantage dentists for the salt mines
it's like he can't even see the big picture :(

>>4079974
I

>>4079972
That is what I felt like. I was too afraid too kill myself but I hoped I would die in my sleep somehow.

The only true way to get over depression is to replace your inferiority complex with a superiority complex; redirect your self-hatred towards all of humanity. Denounce your left-wing views (ever heard of a depressed right-winger?). It worked for me.

I'm not a self-hating liberal anymore, but I am an insufferable hipster now

>>4079975
if that's you, 2C, I'm fucking on to you

The notion that life is inherently meaningless gives me the certainty to do stuff.

My existential crisis has been going for nearly six years.

>>4079091
I have never taken any exercise except sleeping and resting.
-Mark Twain

>>4079977
Giving away your inferiority complex is giving away your ticket to glory, Keep your inferiority complex, and do rediculous shit to prove that you're superior. in essence, 1inch dick fags rule the world. (Napoleon anybody?)

>>4079977
It was the exact opposite for me. I used to have more right-winged views and since becoming a leftist I've been feeling much better. Rather than hating humanity, which was just a reflection of my self-hatred, I've become more empathetic toward people. Rather than being angered by people's stupidity, I look at why they have become stupid, which makes it harder for me to hate them.

>>4080514
/pol/lock waiting for the moment to strike

>tfw constant angst and thoughts of suicide
>tfw don`t want to die but don`t want to live

>tfw by 20 i solved all life mysteries, defeated all possible crises and depressions, and conquered happiness
feels good to be a god ^_^

>>4079977
>babbies thinking superiority complex and inferiority complex are two different things
awwwe

>>4077550
I come on command too, I'm a male porn actor.

>>4077537
>Total bullshit. Exercise is a shallow medicine for a shallow soul.

confirmed for being a manlet. It must suck being the inferior size.

>>4079977

most hipsters are liberals...

>>4080514

left wingers go overboard with empathy. having some empathy is ideal but always making excuses for everyone's behaviour is incredibly unhealthy and detrimental to society

>>4077722
>it's an invented problem by people who haven't got anything serious going on in their lives
>serious going on in their lives
>serious
>implying "seriousness" is not just a spook to keep you from realizing how worthless your puny little life is

>>4080910
Surely serious = worthwhile ?
If "seriousness" is a spook then so is "worthless".

>>4080810
>I come on command too, I'm a male porn actor.
oh wow. that's a very good analogy, perhaps better than you would think.

>>4080911

>>4080922
Er, yes okay. A gif of some guy smashing down a door.

>>4080922
Why do Americans make doors out of cardboard?

>>4080902
why would manlets be against exercising

>>4080944
Their women have frequent emotional problems. It saves in shoulder dislocations and replacement doors.

>never lift because body stays pretty fit regardless
>depression builds to unbearable level
>give lifting/exercise a shot
>feel less "depressed" but the racing trains of though that end in deduction that life is hostile and meaningless still remain.

shit isn't a fix all

>you just need some pussy bro, go lift

>>4081845
You fail to realize that a world where life is meaningful wouldn't be any different. It's a semantic trap.

Hey James.
Libre?

Oh jesus this thread has been invaded by /fit/ huh?

>muh lifts
>muh gainz
>muh basedalphabroculture

Fuck off retards, I bet you're the same faggots who spam Nietzsche threads

>>4082360
You want to play by that analogy?

Why the fuck isn't that guy putting a cast on his hand?

>>4075000
Imagine a person miserable in the cold winter, he's freezing in his little cabin and he eats disgusting canned food.
This person cannot imagine that after winter comes spring, with the melting of the ice and all the life that comes with it.
Wouldn't it be sad if this person killed himself, just because he couldn't see spring and summer following the winter? The man even enjoys autumn, so three fourths of the year is enjoyable to him, yet he kills himself in the winter season.

Don't be that guy who kills himself in the winter.

Above the clouds the Sun always shines.

>>4077537
>Exercise is a shallow medicine
Not him, but still.

I'm not talking about exercise, I'm talking about lifting. Bulk up, lift heavy weight four times a week in a 2-split routine. After a month you will be addicted like you have never been addicted to anything before. It will be your Sisyphus rock.
After a month you will also see a notable change in your physique.
After a year, you'll have gotten big, and continue your journey to become fucking shredded.

We're all gonna make it brah.

Gotta fake it to make it ;_;

>>4082360
No, you don't need some pussy, but you do need to lift.
We don't lift for broads, we don't lift to get big.

We lift in spite of the absurdity of lifting heavy weights up and down for no practical use. Go go Camus.

>>4079089
Having an existential crisis isn't the same as being chronically depressed.
Being 'depressed' in the sense I am isn't the same as being chronically depressed either.

If you have respect for mental disorders, start differentiating.

>>4083225
Basedalphabroculture isn't really the core of fit though, it's more of the troll segment.

The true core of fit is the notion that we need to help each other to achieve goals, to achieve anything. The alphaculture laughs at inferiors, you could say, instead of helping them.

>>4083375
>It will be your Sisyphus rock.

Perfect analogy. Lifting is pointless and stupid since we will all be dead anyway some day. But lifting is a like pushing that boulder up the hill, and doing it with a smile. (Maybe not a smile while you're lifting but certainly once you're done.)

Beyond the scientifically verifiable things that occur in the brain when lifting (improved everything, basically), you grow happier and happier with yourself too, and you will start getting grills too, solving the chronic no gf problem.

The paradox of bodybuilding is that it is ultimately an exercise of metaphysics that unfolds back on itself…where the immateriality and materiality of the self become tangled in a dialectic dance of destruction and creation.

To build muscles, one has to overcome the body with the mind – to transcend over the corporality of the flesh through the spiritual exploitation of the will. However, the more the mind is in command, the bigger, the more beasty the body becomes. The increase in the physical realm automatically calls for an increase in the mental realm and vice versa. When the body becomes bigger, it takes over the overall proportion of the self to dominate the mind. The mind then has no choice but to insert more power upon the body in order for itself to regain control.

The ironic part is that this very process of “mind over matter” only leads to the growth of more matter to overcome. In other words, the mind attempts to destroy the body in order to free itself from its material trappings. However, the mere act of destruction only generates more physicality to prevail over, where the spirit’s very own act of transcendence actually re-renders itself to become its very own act of imprisonment. So at the end of the day, mind and matter become tangled in a feedback loop that attempts to destroy, while at the same time, establishing and creating their very own opposites.

-frank

>>4083387
My point is exactly that you don't lift because of girls or even to have a nicer physique, you lift to lift. Fucking meaningless. Once you can accept this absurdity, you're doing well, and after some time you have a nice body to go with your new-found 'happiness'.

I started lifting personally some months ago, and I catch my self throwing some kind of insane smile inbetween deadlifts.

My only problem is that I might start taking steroids. I mean, why not? There are different health issues, but if suicide is an option, it really doesn't matter. I cannot come up with a reason why I shouldn't get on gear and go for some Greek God physique.

>>4083398

'Cause that shit can fuck with your head, that's why not.

>>4077499
no, it is common, quarter life crisis

>>4083430
That would be a valid response I guess. I also think that I wouldn't like to be that kind of person, who roids because of some yolo lifestyle.

People who talk about exercising curing all problems need to answer this guy
>>4079021
same goes for the people who say, "all you need is a better social life" and things like it.

Yes, you are right. Having a healthy body and a healthy "social life" increases happiness, and that jolt of happiness might be just what you need to get you out of that cycle of despair that you are stuck in. BUT, it doesn't solve the problem, it just delays it.
What this guy >>4079021 is saying is this:
"You got into despair in the first place because you questioned the value of your life. Now you are saying to stop questioning, to put your hands over your ears and rely on the pleasures of the body to distract you from your despair. So, basically, you are saying the best thing you can do in life is distract yourself from the meaningless of life, which is a very despairing view to take and makes me wonder why you shouldn't just kill yourself".

>>4083441
Now, this is a very fair point. Your answer to it is, "well, you won't be worrying about that once you are locked into the pleasure grid".
But here's my objection to that -

When people despair about the meaningless of life they are looking for a reason to get better. A reason to be "good", something to live for, something to strive to be. This ought to lead to self-improvement and virtue. Your way doesn't lead to self-improvement and virtue, it just offers an escape to self-improvement. You talk about exercise being about "improving yourself" - but really you are the exact same person - a person that is worried about the meaningless of life, a person that really has no reason to live, in other words you are still a coward without any convictions. If something bad happened to you you would throw your hands up and despair, because you've not actually become stronger, you've not learned anything. All you've learned is how to throw yourself into brief pleasures in order to hide from the task of becoming a better person.

>ride bike to enjoy nature and get my mind clear
>for what purpose? what goal am I trying to achieve? there is nothing to work towards
>meet friends to have some fun
>or what purpose? what goal am I trying to achieve? there is nothing to work towards
I always have the feeling that time is an ongoing flux and I can't live in the moment or enjoy things with no purpose. Is this an existential crisis? Any books on that?

>>4083462
>Is this an existential crisis?

These are very clear symptoms of what people refer to as "existential crises", yeah.

>Any books on that?

Loads. In fact we have an image that is spread on /lit/ (I don't have it saved unfortunately) with all the literary routes you can take to explore existential crises, because there have been so many discussions about.

IMO, the most essential existential crisis text is Ecclesiastes, a book from the Bible. It's really amusing how appropriate such an old book is to what people think is a crisis of modernity.

>>4079969
>schizoid hunger
explain

>>4083390
yeah, i bet that's what every jock is thinking when working out rather than 'gun b fukin bitchez nao'

>>4083390
Saved.

>>4083512
Butthurt nerd hanging in his locker from his underwear detected.

I agree, though, that that's not what people who work out think when they're working out except that it's not because it's too high brow or what ever the fuck your problem is, its because its a load of idiotic wank that doesn't make any sense at all.

>>4083462
I developed a fear of being alone because of that. I feel worthless and not important and can't find motivation to do anything outside of stuff I have to do. It's weird. I wasn't like that some years ago and I wish I could find back to my independent and non anxious self.

>>4083390
>dualistic mind body dichotomy

>>4083569
ever seen monistic dichotomy? subhuman weaboo scum

This thread made me delve into a little retrospective of my formative years. As I remember, I never felt depressed or even sad when I was a child/teenager.
The most prevalent feeling throughout these times was boredom. I was always struck by a sensation of monotony and mind-numbness, even when I was playing with my friends.

Any psychology fags willing to give an interpretation to this? If more info is needed, please ask. Polite sage.

Hmm. I went through three years of clinical depression in my early thirties. They put me on doxepin and it dion't help. All that seemed to help me was work and exercise, including lifting.

There is one thing about being depressed that helps you do things like exercise, and that is while you don't want to do anything, you don't not want to do anything either: it's not hard to simply decide to do something and then do it. So it's kind of a good time to start an exercise regimen, since you'd as soon be working out as sitting home. Also, you can't read, write, play video gmaes or watch television, so you might as well. I walked constantly

One thing that also makes it easier is that you lose all self-consciousness. You couldn't give a rat's ass what anyone thinks, a hundred jocks and pretty girls standing around you laughing and making jokes while you work out might as well be a blank wall.

Remeber it only affects how you feel, not what you do. You can do anything. Not all of it will help, and you won't get any real pleasure out of it for a long time, but you can easily do it. The problem with depression is that the best movie or video game or party feels exactly sitting and looking at the wall. All your fear, joy, anger, happiness, are down to the very minimum.
You don't feel bad, you don't feel anything, and you certainly don't care about big questions like the meaningless of existence or the futility of life or whatever. You barely care about eating. I don't know what makes people worry about that stuff, but it's not depression.

Work and exercise. Don't think about it or wit till you feel like it. Just do it. In depression, even pain and discomfort feel better than nothing.

>>4083462
I gotta think this sounds more like a mental crisis than depression to me. Depressed people just don't care about crap like that. They can do anything, they just don't care if there's a purpose or a plan or goal. There could be a thousand worthwhile goals and it wouldn't amke a difference. And they won't be on 4chan either. That would require turning on the computer, and while there's no reason not to, there's no reason to either, and to actually read or respond? It just wouldn't happen.

>>4083390
Is this Frank Yang?

(to the tune of "Pure Imagination")

If you're bored,
feel ignored, why not have
an existential crisis?

It's a ruse, to excuse
all your petty vices!

snub your dad,
brood like mad
blame it on
your existential crisis!

If you like
to sleep in
you may never
work a
gain!"

>>4083390
>dualism

the 1700s called, they want their philosophy back.