/lit/ - Literature

Why do you think it should be banned?

None.

>>4345763
That one book with the fatal gypsy curse on it that's been going round.

1984

Farenheit 451.

books don't have any influence on modern society or culture.

>>4345772
Is it possible to come into contact with it without dying? If so, I'd like to acquire a copy. I think it would make a great gift for certain people.

>>4345763
I think it's time we move on from Bronze Age anthropology and into taking our rightful place as the masters of the universe.

So you like imitating Hitler and Islamic fundamentalists by banning books OP?
We don't do that in a civilized society.
In a truly civilized society we assume that you are rational enough as an individual that no book can influence you into retarded actions and that you are capable of objectivity.

>>4345786
This.
All hail the new Dawkins

>>4345786
>masters of the universe
kek dream on we can't even cure cancer.

>>4345786
*tips fedora*
Let's ban all holy books, I'll write much more ridiculous ones for mankind.

>>4345800
Yet. 50 years ago we didn't even know what cancer was it was more akin to the explanation of evil spirits back then.

No books should be banned. Everything should be available to read even if it is only read about what we ought not to do.

>>4345806
The only places that thought cancer was evil spirits 50 years ago were shitholes in africa and asia.

>>4345806
Okay, let's assume we can cure cancer. Then what? We can't even stop big waves and fast wind from killing us. Face it, we're plebtier organisms who delude ourselves into thinking we're invincible.

>>4345787
>you are capable of objectivity.

Sir Kekington

>>4345800
All it took was a little R&D

http://health.howstuffworks.com/diseases-conditions/cancer/facts/cancer-vaccine.htm

>>4345786
>Can't appreciate holy books for the prose and its historical value

>>4345819
That's the human fantasy, whose externalization is what we used to call God.

Why this pessimism? Is it to seem intelligent that you point out flaws in visions about the future?

>>4345826
>Therefore we do not lose heart. Though outwardly we are wasting away, yet inwardly we are being renewed day by day. For our light and momentary troubles are achieving for us an eternal glory that far outweighs them all. So we fix our eyes not on what is seen, but on what is unseen. For what is seen is temporary, but what is unseen is eternal.

dat prose

>>4345832
>So we fix our eyes not on what is seen, but on what is unseen.

So you walk out in front of cars? How did you manage to survive?

Captcha: ialoavai imply

>>4345785
I think so, but it's a really fantastic edition, beautifully leatherbound and exactly the right size and shape for your hands. You'll have a pretty hard time resisting the urge to crack it open.

Failing history, doomed to repeat, etc.

Seriously, though, banning Any book causes more problems than it solves. Now those who enjoyed or were interested by that book could be up in arms, and they could petition or even outright Demand that it be brought back. Some people might take to extremes and steal copies to distribute secretly, and in the age of the internet, banning books is almost a nonstarter idea in itself.

tl;dr Banning books makes for the dumbing.

>>4345932
Who are you?

>claims to enjoy literature
>wants to ban books
Just kill yourselves already

>>4345950
Something of a middleman.

more like muddleman

>>4345965
#rekt

>>4345763
free speech,man.
life would be worthless without it.

>>4345961
Like.. a human steppingstone?

>>4345782
it has some solid historical analysis. i think "communists" usually skip some part or simply don't read it.

>>4345763
this one

>>4345763

>>4346004
You can't ban the Torah. That would be anti-semetic

>>4346004
2spooky4u?

>>4345989
>free speech,man. life would be worthless without it.

More like life would be more quiet and sane and less frantic newspapery.

>>4346013
i don't understand if your problem is your own opinion or other people's opinion.

>>4346013
maybe you should live under hitler or during the cultural revolution to properly enjoy your quiet and sane ideal world.

>>4346028
The aggregation of fast opinions (media) opposed to the slow act of carefully establishing fact (academia), in the public sphere.

People can have the opinion they want just not where they matter.

>>4346013
>>>/tumblreddit/

>>4345996
>equating the teachings of The Communist Manifesto with communist theory
you don't have to be a Marxist to be a communist and you don't have to agree with the Manifesto to be a Marxist.

>>4346059
you have to understand that i'm just a casual...

None

>>4345763
/lit/ confirmed for pleb tier board

>>4345763
care to explain why?

>>4346091
Why?

>>4346092
It encourages racial hatred.

/pol/tards must be stopped.

>>4346096
no it doesn't lol did you even read it

>this thread

>>4346099
Ethnic hatred. There's traitors among us.

>>4345763
All books should be banned. They're degenerate, subversive and weaken the human mind.
Why remember, when you can just write it down? Why think for yourself when a book is there to tell you what to think?

>>4345806
>/lit/
>smart
>knowledgeable
>mature
>educated

>>4346118
Go to bed Socrates, didn't we kill you once already?

>>4346118
why are you on lit

all books that have ever hurt anyones feelings

>>4346096
0/10 terrible

>>4346096
is that what your 8th grade english teacher taught you?

I have read Mein Kampf. It is an eye opening experience. If you think it is 'dangerous' and will change your values then you must not have had much investment in your values. You've been tricked into thinking your values are someone else's.

>>4345763
A Vindication of the Rights of Woman

>>4346127
>>4346129

>>4346127
>They're onto me

>>4346129
You mean /lit/.

>>4345763
>>4345782
>>4345786
>>4345801
>>4346007

>I don't like something therefor it should be banned!
Why are you so retarded, /lit/?

All books of fiction should be banned. Nothing is more pointless.

>>4346147

>No imagination or entertainment allowed
[retardation intensifies]

>I don't like this
>better ban

Does /lgbt/ crosspost here a lot?

>>4345786
>I think it's time we move on from Bronze Age anthropology and into taking our rightful place as the masters of the universe.
lel

>>4346145
I blame the mods.

>>4346150
it's because commie retards (which this board if full of) like to ban anything they don't agree with

see: stalin, reddit and /lit/

>>4346127
If you kill a man like me, you will injure yourselves more than you will injure me. I may sting you into a fury, but all in the service of truth.
There is a need for the gadfly who poses questions that many would like to overlook.

>have the opportunity to make sure no-one wastes hours of their life reading a poor book that won't improve your life in a single way

WOW BANNING BOOKS IS BAD YOU ALL SHOULD BE ASHAMED OF YOURSELVES READING IS ABOUT BEING A USELESS PIECE OF SHIT SWILLING DOWN CRAP FOR HOURS ON END MUH READING PRIVILEGE

>>4346141
The only reason this view is still alive, is because of written word it's ironic in the best way imaginable, even though Socrates did have a point beyond his objection to writing.

>>4346158
>it's because commie retards (which this board if full of) like to ban anything they don't agree with

You realize this is a troll thread?

>>4346153
Is this fucking real? Wow.
I already thought /lit/ was retarded for having entire droves of Marxists shitting up the board with several consecutive and coexisting Marxism threads but this is just another level.

>>4346150
Seems like it.
Prepare to check your privilege.

>>4346168

>>4346167
Don't you?

>>4346164
>I know what's best for everyone

Obongo is that you?

>>4346096
kek to the highest degree

>>4346158
And you would like to ban them right? You would like to get back at them wouldn't you?

#persecutioncomplex #/pol/life4ever

Finnegan's Wake

>>4346177
Not everyone bud, just people who want to read good books.

In any case, pretty sure wasting hours of your life is not best for anyone on the planet unless their explicit goal in life is to be a useless piece of shit.

>>4346179
It makes me laugh how some posters here try to blame /pol/ for everything.

>>4346186
>mentioning /pol/ at all
Back to /pol/.

>>4346186
Your laughter is all I care about dear anon.

>>4346096
/pol/tards have their own board and usually there's where they stay.
also are you telling me that if you read that book you would become a rabid racist?

>>4346150
>>4346145
Why is anyone in this thread assuming OP is being serious? Or are you all just responding ironically to OP's ironic post?

>tfw Poe's law bites you in the ass

>>4346179
Would never stoop to your level. Stop projecting.

>/pol/
Holy shit could you be any more furious?

>>4345763
I'd support banning it just to piss off the racist shitlords.

>>4346197
The real question is why haven't you killed yourself yet?

>>4346184
Looks like a yes to me :)

>>4346175
Yeah.

Fuck you /lit/. And fuck your moderator. The board on 4chan that is supposed to appreciate the written word and the exchange of ideas embraces censorship.

>>4346184
Are you the real D&E? Prove it by posting a typical D&E pic.

>>4346201
Simply epic XD \m/

>>4346179
Honestly, I wouldn't ban commies unless education was still an issue on the place they'd be banned.

They often go to impoverished towns and shit up everything with their faggotry.
Everywhere else, they don't accomplish jackshit because any slightly informed retard can see there are better options, and commies know it.

>>4346189

>Anyone who disagrees with me must be from /pol/
What a faggot.

>a board full of leftists embraces censorship

Shocking!

>>4346214
>because any slightly informed retard can see there are better options, and commies know it.

You do know china is winning right?

Mein Kampf is hardly as "extreme" as people think.

All it does is explain the Fascist movement as an answer to Communism.

People who know it want it shunned simply because, if you read it, you realise that Hitler and Nazis hated Jews mostly because they were thought to be behind Communism and little else.

>>4346221
Yeah, right-wing authoritarian regimes didn't enforce any kind of censorship at all. It's strictly reserved to the left.

>>4346226
>economy collapsing
>demographic crash looming
>communist in name only

Oh yeah real winners. Truly, Communism is the way.

>>4346227
>/pol/ image on /lit/

Get out.

mods please close this thread.

>>4346226
>implying china is communist
Oh you.

>>4346096
>/pol/tards must be stopped.

JIDF spotted

>>4346226
china isn't fully communist because 1/10th of their population actually live good lives

>>4346242
lel

>>4346235
>All dat willful ignorance

You know positive psychology doesn't work that way right? You can't really change reality with your thoughts alone. Please be American.

>>4346202
Why would I kill myself?

>>4346240

>right-wing authoritarian
>authoritarian

Most authoritarian regimes were from the Left, sorry to break the news.

>dem Communist regimes

>>4346236
how is it a /pol/ image?

>>4346174
>>4346168
Do you want to see how deep the rabbit hole goes?

>>4346253
>dem Communist regimes
They were the only left-wing authoritarian regimes.

>>4346252
No, you're reasoning the wrong way. Why should you keep on living?

>>4346244
>communism can lead to well being for everyone

>>4346240
Never made that claim friend. Enjoy the rest of your day :)

>>4346241

No True Scotsman fallacy. You don't get to choose what a real communist is. China is Communist, period.

>>4346256

>dat plea

>>4346258
>reading comprehension

>>4346258
He was saying 0% of the population is supposed to lead good lives, doofus.

>>4346253
You really haven't read history from 5000 BC till 1700 and the birth of constitutional monarchy it was pretty much right wing, with only marginal deviation.

>>4346260
>WAAAAHH CHINA IS COMMIE BECAUSE I SAID SO I'M TELLNG MOM BBAAWWW
heh

>>4346257

>they were the only

And?

>Nazis were the only rightwing regime

I don't give a fuck, Communist regimes have been dozens and virtually all of them carried out genocides.

>>4346226
http://gizmodo.com/5304233/entire-new-13+story-building-tips-over-in-shanghai/
>buildings are falling over

>pic related
>pollution like this

>economy slowing down
http://articles.latimes.com/2013/oct/22/opinion/la-oe-schmitz-china-consumers-economy-20131022

>china
>winning
Not even once.

That shithole is going to implode, their economy and their government are not sustainable.

>>4346266
>>4346265
>tfw the heat of shit flinging gets the best of you
fug

>>4346260
>this is a dog
>"but it's a turtle..."
>no it's a dog deal with it nerd take your no true Scotsman bullshit out of here

>>4346254
It's political propaganda designed to create a purposely skewed image of the opposition instead of debating based on merits of their position represented in the best way possible.

>>4346270
There were plenty of authoritarian right-wing regimes, anon.

>>4346267
>You really haven't read history from 5000 BC till 1700 and the birth of constitutional monarchy it was pretty much right wing, with only marginal deviation.

Are you utterly lost to us? Do you seriously believe that what we mean by "Right wing" today is comparable to anything from 5000 years before Christ to 1700?

Really?

>>4346236
>mods! help me! help me! my feelings are getting hurt! censor them, our circlejerk must continue.

I love books. I would actually post here actively if it wasn't for shit like this thread and faggots like you.

>>4346256
>red pill analogy

Oh boy, here we go.

>>4346257
>Why should you keep on living?
Because life's pretty cool and certainly better than the alternative. Plus, y'know, people would be upset if I went and offed myself.

>>4346251
>sucking China's dick because you're completely ignorant of any economic data coming out of it for the last five years

I don't even need to ask if you're British.

>>4346210
Go back to /pol/. cletus.

>>4346275
that's the definition of propaganda retard

>>4346284
>somebody made a criticism
>they must be from /pol/
Your autism is showing

>>4346272
How was the birth of industrial Europe? Their markets are just starting to boom, kiddo.

>>4346284
Stay right where you are comrade

Here's a great review for Mein Kampf:

http://likeobscurevainefforts.com/meinkampf.html

>>4346282
>Because life's pretty cool and certainly better than the alternative
What could possibly be worth living for a pathetic parody of a human being such as you?

>Plus, y'know, people would be upset if I went and offed myself.
I'm pretty sure more people would be happy to see you dead than alive, because nearly everyone on /lit/ wishes to see you kill yourself. How often do you have to be reminded?

>>4346289
>boom

Their growth has been slowing for years you hopelessly ignorant fuck

Fun facts about Sunhawk (10th of February, 2010)

- I have been alive for 26 years, and have had 18 good years, 3 okay years, and 5 bad years.
- My image has gone through three main phases. Phase 1 - short hair. Phase 2 - long messy hair. Phase 3: long messy hair and pony tail.
- Gaming is my favourite thing in the world, and I own 9 consoles in total. 13, if you include replacements.
- Summer is the best season, then Spring, then Winter, then Autumn / Fall.
- My favourite foods are chocolate (which I no longer eat), pork sausages, and chicken skin / crispy chicken.
- I am thin, and was skinny when I was young.

- I have been in seclusion for about 3 years, since late 2006.
- In the year 2009, I read 54 books. All were fiction, most were novels, and the rest were collections of novellas or short stories.
- I live in Somerset, England. This area is known for cider, farms, being fairly warm, and being wealthy.
- I am bisexual.

By the way, here's all currently known information about Sunhawk. If you manage to track him down stick a fucking kitchen knife in his gut:

You're looking for a late twenties NEET (possibly 30 now), not on the dole, living in Somerset England with his parents who frequents and possibly applied for a job in a Waterstones bookshops in that area. He lives a mile and a half from 'town' which he tends to walk ("[...] to walk to Waterstones and buy it" - 2011). 3 mile round trip.

So look within a two mile radius from a Somerset town with a Waterstones (or from the Waterstones itself) for a supposedly (upper) middle class couple with what is probably a single child in his twenties who lives a relatively secluded life with what is supposedly a shitty local library. Town us largely with with a ~5% asian minority and features a private school.

also house has chimney and a garden with fence

>>4346278
>Do you seriously believe that what we mean

Is your best defence semantics? Yes it's not like anything changed just because we discovered there were viable alternatives like liberal democracy.

How to Ban Books by Saul Rosenbergstein

>>4346278
>Right wing

Not aiming to go back to a monarchy or caesarian rule? Do you even Hobbes, Spengler or Evola?

>>4346321
>Ayn Rand not mentioned
You lost him.

>>4346326
>Aynus Rand
>relevant

>>4346329
I'm pretty sure she's relevant in Uranus.

>>4346326
Oh sorry but I don't count that hysterical cunt as rightwing she's a staunch supporter of letting money rule not higher aims.

>>4346294
>>4346296
Ohhhhh, you guys think I'm -that- Sunhawk don't you? Sorry, I was just playing with being butterfly earlier and then put the leaked Sunhawk trip on for a while.

Oh well, it's interesting being a notorious and hated bisexual NEET with nine consoles.

>>4346350
Did...did he finally kill himself?
I want to believe.

even /lit/ has that retarded /pol/ mentality and world view now. well, for some reason you're adults on 4chan.

How has this thread made it past OP?

Do people not understand trolling anymore?

Do not post the following outside of /b/: Trolls, flames, racism, off-topic replies, uncalled for catchphrases, macro image replies, indecipherable text (example: "lol u tk him 2da bar|?"), anthropomorphic ("furry"), grotesque ("guro"), post number GETs ("dubs"), or loli/shota pornography. Keep /pol/ in /pol/

>>4346370
I think it's a mix of some people genuinely not getting it, some people playing along with OP's 'joke', and /pol/ spotting a golden opportunity to complain about how leftists are the real fascists.

>>4346355
>committing suicide when you have NINE consoles
Doubtful. There's always going to be a console you haven't played in ages, and it'd be a dahm shame to kill yourself in those circumstances. But what do I know? I'm a fundamentally pretty happy human being.

>>4346447
Sunhawk, despite of what I have written in your threads, I have always liked you.

I would ban 120 days of sodom though. It contributes nothing to humanity and is condoning debauchery of the sadist kind.

>>4346482
I'm not actually Sunhawk, just someone using the old trip. But I like you too.

I did look at a bit of Sodom and... yeah, I can't really defend it. I wouldn't ban it, but it did make me go full why.gif

>>4345832
>So we fix our eyes not on what is seen, but on what is unseen.
But our eyes aren't real

>>4345763
None, it's as simple as that. Books don't act, humans do. And in addition to that it would be stellar testimony of intellectual bankruptcy.

>>4346525
This.

>>4346525
For the sake of argument, what about 'How and why you should murder anon and everyone he knows: a reference guide complete with addresses, daily routines, and optimal murderin' opportunities'.

>>4346534
\/\/r3kt

>>4346534
That book would have a hard time finding a publisher...
But as I said before, humans act. If you are willing to do something illegal and terrible for whatever reasons, you probably will do it, manual or not. I assume a lot of people read things like 120 Days of Sodom and declined to have a perverted sex orgy with minors. The Anarchist Cookbook is still available everywhere, yet you don't see many reports of bombings or similar things.

>>4346534
i like you

>>4345783
lol
>i see what u did there

wow not even sunhawk posts here any more for fucks sake all my gamefaqs references wasted

>>4346545
Your commitment is... impressive. I'd generally agree, actually. Potentially there are official secrets, identities of agents etc that I think shouldn't be released, but then you're right that that probably wouldn't be coming in book form anyway.

>>4345786

>>4345763
name 1 plausible reason just because you can't handle it

>>4345786

>>4345787
>capable of objetivity
>literature
>humans
gb2library

>>4345763
ban them only makes them more desirable to read, they will think that shit actually means something or the system dislike it because is the truth/better way/edgiest thinking/etc and you can contribute with pollute the society with banning it, see the Satyricon

You notice how bougie libfags have been moving away from the whole "free speech" ideal, presumably because someone might hurt a woman's feels? The whole 'speach' thing?

Why does it feel like all I have to choose from, politically, are different forms of authoritarianism

>>4347225
Because Marx shits up everything he touches.

Fun story: It's not really banned in Germany, it's just that the copyright to the book went to the Bavarian government with Hitler's death, and the government has refused to allow any publications.

There are of course thousands of pirated copies from especially Turkey, and next year (or 2015?) the copyright will expire anyway and the book will move into the public domain.

>>4347225
You are in a room. In this room is MANAGER A and MANAGER B. The exit is to the north.

>go north

Please take a manager.

>take none

Please take a manager.

>exit|e|q|quit|^C

Please take a manager.

>eat manager

>>4347218
I can confirm this kind of thing. Before I learned that England had a problem with loli cartoons, I didn't give a fuck. Now, however, I fap to that regularly. Censorship: The Instrument Of Personal Growth.

>>4346132

This is what liberals actually believe though