/lit/ - Literature

being a musician is harder than being a writer

being a writer is harder than being an athlete and it;s clearly more difficult than being an actor

Stephanie Meyer has more talent than Soulja Boy. To be a writer you should at least be able to make a sentence.

>>4390047
This, it just depends on what type of writing or music you make. However I'd argue that "deep" music is superior to "deep" writing.

Everyone learns how to write in school, not everyone learns how to make music.

>>4390047
>Stephanie Meyer has more talent than Soulja Boy

racist

>>4390039
......not sure if troll thread in citing Tyler the creator as example of musician working hard.

Writing a book is a more difficult task than composing an album, it requires more time and less improvisation, it is far more common for an author to spend 10 years on a novel than a musician, and musicians are far more likely to record an album a year (plus touring). It is also harder to make a living as an author because to be published is more difficult than getting signed to a label and there are less alternative methods of revenue (book tour or album tour, which is more significant?).
This does not mean one medium is in any way superior to the other.

>>4390072
Anti-Mormon.

>actor
>hard
>not about nepotism, luck and sucking dicks

>>4390092
>You will never get to suck the dicks of older Jewish men as you climb your way up the food chain in Hollywood.
>You will never be a wealthy Disney executive who ruffies underage wanna-be popstar girls and takes them to your secret orgy shack in the Nevada desert.

>>4390073
That's sketchy though. Tons of books are written in a weekend or over a month. How long does Kevin Shields take to do an album?

>there are people who try to compare clearly different kinds of medium in terms of difficulty, which always depends on the particular case

>>4390092
>I could totally win an Oscar

People have the most inflated sense of self-worth on 4chan.

Dude, Tyler the Creator went in on that Album cover.

>soooooy postmodern

Makes reference to Notorious B.I.G and everyone else who has been ripping off his Album Cover.

Subtle, clever.
Fuck me now, Tyler.

>>4390047

>implying Soulja Boy is the quintessential rap artist.

>>4390356
it takes him ages and is still nothing but ephemeral pop dreck. meanwhile antoine beuger brings of closer to rational ecstasy.

in terms of difficulty

pro athlete>>>>>>>>>musician>>>>>>>author>actor

>>4390045
>being a writer is harder than being an athlete

top lel, athlete is the hardest out of all these categories

>sit and write words
>sit and write music

seems pretty equal to me.

>>4390060

>"deep" music

lel, let's hear what you think this means.hipster four chord shit where they play round with reverb pedals a bit?

>>4391171
anyone can write words, music requires knowledge

>>4391173
this statement makes no sense to me. Could you elaborate?

>>4391173

knowledge of what?

There's nothing difficult about being an athlete though. It's just moronic repetition, day in and day out.

>>4391178
it takes more knowledge to compose a musical piece than to write a novel.

>>4391186
knowledge of what? I really have no idea what you're talking about

>>4391185
it's the competition that makes it difficult you twat, 99% of people get eliminated for lack of ability via competition at early teens age if not earlier. unless your notion of being an athlete is some dudes playing a pick up game.

>>4391187
knowledge of composition, a novel really requires nothing but being literate

>>4390401
Did he?

>>4391190

99% of people get eliminated because they're too short or don't have weird flipper feet like Michael Phelps, not because of any real difficulty. Athletes are down there in terms of real effort with fry cooks and people who assemble shit in factories.

>>4391192
So you need to be a classically trained musician to make music? That's just not true. Most songwriters just did it by ear.

And to write a novel does take knowledge, if we're assuming a quality novel.

>>4391192

>knowledge of composition

why don't you have a stroll over to one of pitchfork's best of lists

>>4391206
>Most songwriters just did it by ear.

they still have the knowledge of composition

>>4391211
And why is knowledge of composition somehow held above literacy? There is really no way one is "better" than the other.

>>4391216
it's harder to learn

It's harder to write the Goldberg Variations than 50 Shades of Grey

It's harder to win Wimbledon than to write the Hunger Games

It's harder to perform a good Hamlet than to ghostwrite for Tom Clancy

Top-tier literature blows everything else out of the water though

>>4391218
maybe you were just shit at writing music

>>4391218
Not really true, buddy

ITT: People don't realize that mediums don't have an inherent difficulty

I can make a lot of money writing shitty YA novels and that would be much easier than being a professional athlete, or I could spend my entire life trying to perfect one story and die unsatisfied, and that would be more difficult than playing sports for a living.

in this thread: blatantly cherry-picking examples

>>4391221
>>4391224
what is your experience with music?

ITT: people treating "good" and "bad" as objective things.

>>4391225
>or I could spend my entire life trying to perfect one story and die unsatisfied, and that would be more difficult than playing sports for a living.

yeah no

>>4391228
I can write shit music. I can also write a shit novel.

Takes a lot of work to write a great novel. Takes a lot of work to write great music.

>>4391225
>>4391227
>>4391232
pretty fast chain of itts

What's Tyler the Creator's deal? Is he supposed to be funny, or weird, or what?

>>4391240

both? he tries to be funny but he's not

>>4390039
I've tried being a musician and writing, and both have their own perks.

Being a competent musician is harder than being a competent writer.
Becoming a good musician is still significantly more easy than becoming a good writer, though.

>all these idiots who don't even post on /lit/ invading the board to explain that being an athlete is more difficult than being a novelist

you can be borderline retarded but still be a successful athlete just because you lucked out with genetics. all you do is train and follow orders for a few years and then you retire with a couple million. lift weight up. lift weight down. kick ball. catch ball. repeat.

i wish i could be a successful novelist, that can decades of practice and reading just to become competent. you have to be able to think and you have to learn, and not just about writing because your writing needs to draw from something. the entire duration of an athlete's career could easily be the equivalent of the amount of time it takes a writer just to finish ONE book. it's more difficult to publish a book than to play a sport professionally, it's more difficult to become good at writing than it is to become good at playing a sport, it's more difficult to make a living by writing books than it is to make a living by playing sports and it's more difficult to be a successful writer than it is to be a successful athlete.

tl;dr sports are gay

Music is easier. You don't need music theory, just lots of practice. Get a writer to play chords and drums and a musician to write a novella and see who has an easier time.

>>4391262
quality. that's the thing thought. The writer will play bad chords and tasteless chords and the musician might write a horrible tasteless story. But because there is no objective good and bad it's all the same.

The is no real measure of "difficulty."

>>4391234
Explain how it would be easier to live as an unsuccessful, poor writer than as a successful athlete.

>>4391267
>there is no objective good and bad [in art]

you know shit

>>4391282
yes, I think I do know shit

>>4391173
anyone can write music, words require knowledge

Actor is definitely the hardest. Before anything else, you have to be pretty, extroverted, and talented, otherwise you will never be successful, no matter how much hard work and research you put into it. In addition, you have the whole production process to deal with.

Being a musician and actor both require lots of practice/hard work. I'd say being a musician is harder because of the more intrinsic, creative element to it. Composing music is definitely harder, but most musicians don't have to do that. Also, it depends on what kind of musician you're talking about. I can't imagine most bands and singers put in that much hard work.

Being an author requires almost no hard work. It doesn't matter who you are or what skills you have. The thing about being an author is that you have to say write something worth writing. There's no middle ground.

>>4391338
There are all different kinds of actors. How boring would a movie be if every single person in it was attractive, extroverted and talented. B-rate actors exist as well.

There is no measure of difficulty, mostly because quality of art is so subjective.

>>4391338
>>4391346
Acting is easy as shit. Just stand there and say your fucking lines. It's just actors love to pretend like they're hot shit.

Fucking actors.

>>4391178
u have to know how to use a DAW, play an instrument, use a VST to make your own synths, etc, etc, etc

>>4391366
hum...

To write you have to know grammar, figure of speech, essay structure.

I keep repeating this because no one seems to want to accept.

No medium is inherently more difficult.

>>4391366
that can all be learned in a matter of weeks, even days. youtube tutorials, etc.

literature has much less to work, so it's obviously more difficult to write a good novel than to write a good album.

>>4391388
>thinks he could become competent in the various elements of music in two weeks and on top of this - create a unique musical piece that will be loved by millions

you little neckbeards, your 4chan, and your motherfucking egos

lelel

>>4391415
who is making music using daws that is loved by millions? deadmau5, skrillex, and katy perry's producers. not a great scale.

People always think that what they do is the most difficult thing, because it's only the things that we are interested in that we learn a lot about, and it's only the things we learn a lot about we can appreciate the difficulty of.

Also, no one wants to be at the bottom of the pile, so we all pretend we're at the top.

>>4391427
you would need 10 years at least to reach deadmau5's level of production, i don't like his songs but that's the reality.

>>4391250
you are hilariously wrong

>>4391273
who the fuck is talking about the ease of life this board is autistic as fuck

>>4391435
>you would need 10 years at least to reach deadmau5's level of production

it'd only be a matter of getting the right synths, reverse engineering, etc. would take a couple hours max.

>>4391443
why is 4chan full of narcissistic halfwits? show some humility, fuck

>>4391443
that's not a level of production, that's copying. and i'm still sceptical that you'd be able to do that without years of experience.

>>4391435
Have you heard his new stuff... I think he's regressing

>>4391451
narcissism != confidence in your abilities.

humility for who? your sense of superiority?

>>4391461
no i haven't. like i said i don't particularly enjoy him

>>4391443
why aren't you making money with your music (I assume)

Copying production is technical thing. It isn't a musical/creative thing.

>>4391460
it's not like deadmau5 didn't copy from tons of other people along the way. he didn't invent anything in terms of sounds, beats, composition, etc.

>>4391427
isn't Katy Perry's producer Dr Luke? The guy is a freaking genius

>>4391473
1. copy his sound
2. tweak the eq + fuck with the drum patterns

you act like electronic music is hard to make.

>why aren't you making money

good question. never really thought about it until just now. deadmau6 is kind of on the decline of his trend, tho. who's a more relevant producer to copy?

>>4391479
mike will made

>>4391474
what does that have to do with everything? the guy has achieved a level of production and knowledge that is impossible to get without years of experience and copying. what that other guy is saying you copy/paste stuff deadmau5 did and it will sound the same (which it won't) and you're now at the same level as a producer as him. what are you even arguing?

>>4391479
lol i can tell you've either never done anything worthy music-wise or more probable not done anything at all. it's hilarious to see people who have no idea about music talk about it like they're seasoned jazz experts or in the production biz for their entire lives not that i would expect anything less of /lit/.

>>4391480
this post was a joke btw

>>4391481
stop saying "level of production" as if it isn't vague bullshit that you're hiding behind to justify your idiotic comment that it would take ten YEARS in a post-youtube tutorial world to achieve deadmau5-tier, which is a populist tier anyway, meaning it isn't difficult. nothing he does is technically difficult or impressive. it isn't at all a high level of production. do you even make music.

>>4391491
>implying technical production skills is the pinnacle of music

no... people love deadmau5 because his music is musically good. And he has been making great music since the beginning, even when he was a budding producer.

>>4391491
confirmed for pleb

pro-tip: your presets don't sound good at all that's why you suck and you'll never achieve anything

>>4391485
no, you can tell that i don't suck as hard as you at something as simple as music production. keep tapping that midi keyboard son, i'm sure somebody won't be annoyed the next time you link your soundcloud on fb.

>>4391462
Oh, so you're just confident? With the attributes you claim to have, you could surely have your name all over the number 1 billboards. But then again, you're an unaccomplished narcissist.

>humility for who? your sense of superiority?

No, child. And who are you to throw around narcissistic accusations towards me? I'm the humble one, lel.

>>4391491
how many years do you think you'd need to achieve John Mayer's level of musicianship?

>>4391494
i'm not implying shit about technical level. by the way, "because his music is musically good" is one of the most retarded things i've ever read on this board.

>>4391496
i've never used a preset in my life.

>>4391491
This kid is full of himself.

>>4391499
i don't even produce lmao im just not as delusional about it as you are

>>4391503
could you please post your music and then we can judge it in an unbiased fashion

>>4391503
Show us one of your productions.

if you even have one

>>4391512
>>4391514
https://soundcloud.com/svpreme

>>4391503
>because his music is musically good

makes good sense

>>4391505
says the narcissist who gets off on the new trend of peacocking by calling confident people narcissists.

>>4391519
you're not serious are you?

>>4391529
lol is that supposed to be insulting? i've put out records m8.

>>4391519
it's alright. Not as catchy as deadmau5's stuff.

>>4391527
>doesn't even know what narcissist means

yawn

>>4391536
>implying it's hard to put out records on some shitty electronic label

>>4391519
my 17 year old cousin that churns out tunes on FL studio is better than you, lel

>>4391538
i'm more into 2-step/garage stuff than straight up house.

>>4391519
Ahahaha, at least you were brave enough to post your soundcloud. You're fucking horrible though.

>I'm so fucking good yo
>I could make better tunes than deadmau5

>>4391541
let me know when your record gets heads from resident adviser on your dick m8

http://www.residentadvisor.net/review-view.aspx?id=7787

>>4391549
never heard of it

>>4391519
>every song sounds the same

you're so fucking chill, bro

we need to help you get signed

>>4391541
THIS is real narcissism, btw. "anybody could do that!" classic levelling.

>>4391542
>>4391546

lel, i'm sure you're even capable of noticing the intricate drum hits/patterns, nvm my sub.

>>4391553
then u must not follow electronic music, like, at all.

>>4391557
>"anybody could do that!"

that's essentially what you're saying about deadmau5

>intricate
>baby still thinks intricate=good

>>4391562
its not like i came into the thread saying i'm better than deadmau5, go re-read the argument. i only said it's a matter of weeks to learn daws.

but anyway, i posted my shit. i don't see any other brave souls itt. seems like im the only man.

>>4391557
so tell me about one of your patterns, i assume it's not random? what's it called?

>>4391557
post a pic of yourself

I need the maximum lulz that only your ugly ass can provide

>>4391564
here's my shit

https://soundcloud.com/mr_hdtv

>>4391556
>every song sounds the same

you'd probably say the same about burial, etc. aka your ears are broken. "get me signed" lel who says shit like that anymore. how OLD are you dude?

>>4391564
>go re-read the argument

I just came in and you're definitely the biggest dumbass in this thread.

>>4391571
preset garbage and didn't even bother to eq or mix your shit. next.

>>4390039

>implying football is harder than rugby

>>4391435
>you would need 10 years at least to reach deadmau5's level of production
And yet, youtube is full of brony faggots doing exactly the same shit as him.
lel

>>4391473
I don't like dubstep.

>>4391568
>what's it called?
2-step/garage
>>4391569
>post a pic of yourself
u couldn't handle my brown skin

>>4391576
>I just came in and you're definitely the biggest dumbass in this thread.

that def. makes sense and sounds intelligent.

I want to make dream trance (don't scrutinize me). How long would it take to be able to make good synths and stuff?

>>4391589
no i mean what's the pattern called, what time is it in?

>>4391602
"what time is it in" doesn't follow from "what's the pattern called." if u knew your shit you could easily tell what time it's in. i'm not convinced you're not stupid m8.

>>4391608
why don't you tell me what time you're in, i clearly don't know

>mfw rap is the most literary genre

I'm a grade eight pianist, and it is seriously just guitar hero at godmode difficulty.

It's easier to write words, writing music is harder to learn. But it's ultimately just sentences; you learn scales, keys, time signatures, modals, phrasing etc... But you still abide by rules.

But writing well is way harder than composing well. You require a far more thorough intellect to be able expand the borders of collective human thought than you need to pen ditties.

Shakespeare was more talented than Beethoven. Beethoven made no relevant political or social or philosophical commentary. Music is just pure, distilled emotion, but to write well requires more.

>>4390098
>You will never be a wealthy Disney executive who ruffies underage wanna-be popstar girls and takes them to your secret orgy shack in the Nevada desert.
why

And again, writing is the most barest form of expression.

There's more leverage to music and acting.

>>4390039
>There are people who argue that musicians, actors or fucking athletes as whole can accomplish anything of significance compared to writers

>>4391794
>I'm a grade eight pianist

proof?

>>4391172
Beethoven's 9th>Schiller's Ode to Joy

This is obvious.

>>4391794
Hey thanks for the lit ego boost.

But I would have to even disagree with that. Shakespeare was not more "talented" than Beethoven. It seems completely arbitrary

>>4391794
Pleb on four wheels.

Composer, conductor, classical guitarist, pianist and violinist since the age of six, as well as "writer" and occasional "poet" (unpublished, although I got some of my works played) reporting in. You're talking shit, mate. Who cares about political, social, or philosophical commentary? It shouldn't even matter - art should try to aspire to the absolute.

Writing a 600 measures sonata-allegro form is easier for me than to write 30 pages of a novel. I'll send you scores if you want to take a look at the quality of my compositions.

>>4391889
>art should try to aspire to the absolute.
lol. like "the absolute" isn't an entirely political, social and philosophical concept.

>>4391879
talented was maybe the wrong lexical choice.
I meant it takes more to write a prophetic and insightful and artistic novel than it does to write a symphony.

Music has no meaning on its own that removable from emotion. Yet literature can go deeper than just emotion.

To me, music is like sex, and appeals to the same part of the human psyche as physical pleasure, whereas literature is more inward, and can reach higher planes of enlightenment.

>>4391901
Ugh on a "meta" level, I guess you could argue this, but isn't the point of "absolute" art to be totally transcendental of political, social, or philosophical context?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vE2O_yfgtBU

Marcello's Oboe concerto in D minor sounds good to nazis and jews, nihilists and communists; Bach enjoyed it and John Cage probably also [would have] enjoyed it.

Novalis' Hymns to the Night, or Goethe's Erlkönig are wonders both to pakis (if they could read) and to americans (bis).

>>4391910
more what?
i say it takes less.

language doesn't have meaning outside of convention. harmony goes deeper than arbitrary linguistic signs.

music is simultaneously like sex and inward, to use your comparisons.

>>4391889
are you one of those stupid romantics who honestly believes that the purpose of art is to achieve beauty, over anything else. And that art should have no underlying purpose than "muh prettiness". If so, then it certainly isn't me that is talking shit.

>There are people here who will argue about purely subjective judgments that have no basis in objectivity as if they are a priori truths

>>4391913
hey I've been looking for this song

thanks

>>4391917
No, I simply am not a believer; I don't believe in anything, so I wouldn't include any belief such as feminism, christianism, communism, capitalism, etc in any work of art. I'm not a romantic; I'm a Baroque.

>inb4 hurr hurr all romanticism is just a baroque-ism
This Classical-Baroque dichotomy is ridiculous.

>>4391924
Wouldn't include any belief were it not for their artistic value*

>>4391914
harmony exists even stronger in poetry tho
less Pythagorean mysticism, more Hegelian sophism

>>4391914
>>4391910


I still don't think one is placed "higher" than the other.

Again, it's completely arbitrary

>>4391914
to further extrapolate your argument (to reveal its emptiness) harmony is surely merely a transient construct also, based purely on a human's method of interpreting vibrations? Language is a tool that humans use to relay information and ideas, that can allude to emotions as well as other abstract concepts.
Music simply carries with it an emotional weight, and not an intellectual weight as such.

The fact that someone who hasn't learnt musical theory can appreciate Bach calls into light the worth of the artwork as an intellectual feat.
I realise that such knowledge and understanding of music can heighten the "enjoyment" of it. But using art as a means to 'enjoy' oneself is surely the lowest of the lowest forms of artistic appreciation.

So (back to my original point) if one were to write music not for the purpose of enjoyment and simply for the intellectual stimulation then it would surely be void of any worth whatsoever, as music is, intrinsically, incapably of carrying with it any information that isn't tied to emotions.

>>4391889
Yet another internet genius on /lit/, ladies and gentlemen.

>>4391934
i don't think you're understanding the discussion here and you're playing the diplomat because you think it'll make you better than everyone else

>>4391889
post some of your poetry

>>4391949
>The fact that someone who hasn't learnt musical theory can appreciate Bach calls into light the worth of the artwork as an intellectual feat.
He'll never understand it as much as someone who learned theory and history. Music isn't only emotional, you need to get over this populist idea that's been spread quite a lot already - as if anyone could 'understand' Bach: most will only find it "good sounding" and will never "get" it.

>But using art as a means to 'enjoy' oneself is surely the lowest of the lowest forms of artistic appreciation.
How about using art as a "challenge"; as a way to appreciate someone's "craft"? Music wasn't even considered art, in Bach's time.

>So (back to my original point) if one were to write music not for the purpose of enjoyment and simply for the intellectual stimulation then it would surely be void of any worth whatsoever, as music is, intrinsically, incapably of carrying with it any information that isn't tied to emotions.
>that pleb unbacked claim only capable of being formulated by someone having no idea what they're talking about
Listen to Bach's Kunst der Fuge; to Beethoven's Grosse Fuge; to Liszt's Études d'Éxécution Transcendantales; to Mendelssohn's Prelude and Fugue in E minor, etc.

Quite a bunch of music isn't >muh emotions romantic drivel.

>>4391955
>everyone has to be mediocre like me or they're lying!!!

>>4391964

J’ai encor souvenir des néons et des nuits,
Des néants et des puits de liqueurs enchantées
Où nous bûmes outre soif de lèvres édentées
Où de rires éclatants, nous moquâmes l’ennui.

Et comme des oiseaux qui voltigeaient déments,
Qui voltigeaient déments, dans l’aube diaphane
Nous vivions cernés de nos fleurs qui tôt fanent,
De nos fleurs qui tôt fanent nous nous fîmes amants.

J’ai encor souvenir des pâleurs matinales,
Des pâleurs matinales, et des pans de soleil
Des tristes lendemains des soirées bacchanales.

Et navigant transis, de merveille en merveille,
De merveille en merveille, ignorions l’avenir :
Puissent nos jouvences un autre jour tarir.

>>4391913
If you think this transcends the "social context" you are a retard.

>>4391956
No this is honestly my point of view on the world.

What is the discussion?

>>4391973
Go on and explain. It of course doesn't get past the spirit of its time, but it sure gets through all others.

>>4391966
All aesthetics are emotion. Art doesn't have to be explained for someone to appreciate it, not even to appreciate it on a higher level. Trying to rationalize art is retarded bruh bruh, that's basic knowledge

>>4391949
>The fact that someone who hasn't learnt musical theory can appreciate Bach calls into light the worth of the artwork as an intellectual feat.

yes

>I realise that such knowledge and understanding of music can heighten the "enjoyment" of it. But using art as a means to 'enjoy' oneself is surely the lowest of the lowest forms of artistic appreciation.

No, no, a thousand times no. The fact that someone can appreciate Bach, and respond to Bach, without knowing music theory is a good thing, and it's indicative of something about art in general. It's not a problem with music.

>>4391966
>He'll never understand it as much as someone who learned theory and history. Music isn't only emotional, you need to get over this populist idea that's been spread quite a lot already - as if anyone could 'understand' Bach: most will only find it "good sounding" and will never "get" it.

He won't understand it as a musical construct in the same way that someone who is educated in theory will, but he will respond to it as a work of art in precisely the same way.

>>4391977
>hot onions on art as strictly emotional are facts
Hell, even Hannibal Lecter enjoys Turner!

>>4391969
>claims not to be mediocre
>posts mediocre poem in a style that has been done to death in the last 200 years
I'm French btw

>>4391966
it's kind of frustrating that you assume I haven't listened to these pieces, I already mentioned I am a distinguished pianist. It sounds condescending and it is cringe-worthy to see someone so far up their own arse.
I mentioned Bach because the only purpose of his music would have been for the enjoyment of others. He would have been owned by somebody who paid for his services, which implies he wrote for the enjoyment of others, to an extent.

And I do love music that is challenging and complex, it is like a puzzle that you need to work at to unlock. This sort of stimulation is enjoyable. But it does not leave me with new ideas, new thoughts, deeper insight into anything, or leave me more aware or enlightened in the way that literature can, because it simply can not carry with it any actual meaning or information other than an emotional one that humans attach to it.

>>4391982
Poetry is tertiary to me; I don't really care much about it, I only responded to someone asking to post some. I don't think it's 'mediocre' at all, nor do I think that you should care about the historical value of 'form' if you're supposed not to care about form.

>>4391981
>>hot onions on art as strictly emotional are facts
Never did I say such a thing. Man, you're as pseudo-intellectual as they come. You fit right in here

Art throws us into an engagement with the fundamental facts, the limits and nature, of human being through an aspect which is striking and beautiful.

>>4391987
>crappy poem
>it's shit
>i don't care much about poetry anyway

> I don't think it's 'mediocre' at all
Of course you don't, you created it after all

>>4391991
would you consider yourself a professional quote maker, good sir?

>>4390039
I wouldn't argue that at all.

>>4391985
>it's kind of frustrating that you assume I haven't listened to these pieces, I already mentioned I am a distinguished pianist. It sounds condescending and it is cringe-worthy to see someone so far up their own arse.
You're kind of not too quick, heh? I was pointing out their nature as emotionless pieces; pure demonstrations of musical genius.

>But it does not leave me with new ideas, new thoughts, deeper insight into anything, or leave me more aware or enlightened in the way that literature can, because it simply can not carry with it any actual meaning or information other than an emotional one that humans attach to it.
Well, that's because you're a pleb.

I don't like to use that word, but quite a bunch of "impressionist" music is emotionless. I'd rather call it "effeminate post-romanticism", though.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bYyK922PsUw

>>4391996
If someone paid me to do it I would gladly describe myself that way

>>4391988
>Never did I say such a thing. Man, you're as pseudo-intellectual as they come. You fit right in here
Man, you're as buzzword-throwing as they come. You fit right in here.

>>4391975
please someone tell me what the discussion is here

>>4391978
my point was that literature doesn't work that way. An uneducated individual may enjoy Dan Brown because it is simply for "enjoyment" yet a scholar or an intellectual may not (for reasons that I really do not need to explain).

This is why literature is the form of artistic expression that carries with it the most intellectual weight, as it can deliver and illuminate the most abstract sand removed ideas that no other art form can. And in this way it is capable of enlightening individuals, as it can literally make somebody think somebody else's thoughts.

>>4392000
putting on a trip adds nothing to your strength of argument. you are still acting quite childishly.

I was referring to the fact that you kind of ordered me to listen to them. You used the imperative of "to listen" as if it was something that I should do. Pardon me for misinterpreting your grammar.

>that's because you're a pleb.
You got me. Well done.

>post effeminate romanticism
I'm just imagining you scoffing and snorting at the joke you made like that kid with braces that nobody really likes who wont stop talking about runescape or some shit.

Professional athlete here, it's not that hard to attain pro status, what's hard is the difference between being average pro guy few people know (me) and making megabucks with endorsements, much like writing. There are tons of authors that just squeak by, very few that are rolling in it.

>>4392042
I don't believe you're a professional athlete.

What sport do you play?

>>4392046
I'm a triathlete. I race in the pro category but like most other pros don't make a living off racing alone, I coach to get by.

>>4392066
I believe that.

>>4392071
Awesome, now my life is validated.

>>4390045
>faggot detected
>writing is harder than being an athlete
>which is why I'm a Navy SEAL top of my class etc
>and self published author (kek)

>>4390047
>Either of those people
>Possessing anything remotely similar to talent

>>4390073
>Writing a book is a more difficult task than writing an album
>Confirmed for not musician

>>4390388
>Best post ITT

>>4390401
I think he was comparing turds to more turds and saying one was more like a diamond than the other.

>>4391163
Being a musician isn't hard just like being an author isn't hard. The field is just too saturated. Athletics requires actual work.

>>4391173
>>4391178
>>4391183
Proper composition. Musicians run the gambit from monkeys with harps to proper composers. Composition of music requires knowledge of music theory (at least to be well-respected in the field) whereas anyone can be an author (for example, Stephanie Meyer is considered an author despite being brain-dead and incapable of forming coherent sentences that don't just show what a cock-hungry whore she is).

>>4391203
>citation needed
But let's assume you're right. Doesn't that mean it's harder to be an athlete than an author, where no one can stop you from participating? (even if you are total shit at it, like 99% of /lit/)

>>4392230
>One of those faggots that feels the need to reply to everyone on in the thread in one post

This is how you spot narcissists

Depends on what you're doing.
For example, it's harder to play a flute in the LSO than it is to write a typical YA, but at the same time, it's easier to play four chords than to write a well-and-delicately constructed poem.

As someone who plays music, attempts to write lyrics, as well as writing prose fiction, and some shitty "acting," I can tell you it's much harder to write a novel, depending on the subject matter, because of sheer length. Other than that, a novel compared to a concept album is about the same level of difficulty. If we're talking a novel that's on the -great- level, then it would be more difficult. Acting just takes work understanding the character you're portraying, and then becoming them. I won't say it's not difficult, but it's not as difficult as writing a song once you understand how to do it. Then it's just memorizing lines and you're good.

>>4392041
>I'm just imagining you scoffing and snorting at the joke you made like that kid with braces that nobody really likes who wont stop talking about runescape or some shit.
I have an account named Mc Mendyssohn, with 99 rc, 99 fishing and 99 cooking.

u jelly m8?

My other account is "Heidegger" and has 10hp, 80 ranged and 80 mage.

>>4392282
this

>>4392230
>Composition of music requires knowledge of music theory

you can be considered a talented musician if you can fuck around on FL studio and it sounds good

>>4390045

>being a musician is harder than being a writer


what a sad state of affairs

i wasnt sure whether or not this 4chan board totally sucks. but now i know for sure. the best wrappers are better than the best authors? really? y'all need to re-engage your brains. for some of you, its clearly way too late.

>>4392853

You seem extra cunty today, man.

Like, your overall cunt factor has taken a noticeable boost.

Bad week?

the funny thing about this thread is that not one real writer or musician has added his two cents worth.

>>4392895
but we have two music prodigies in this thread who understand beauty, transcendence and the absolute, how did you not realize that.

>>4392895
hey check out my song, please rate. I am a prodigy

https://soundcloud.com/mr_hdtv/dj-l3x-test