/lit/ - Literature

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f2JuxM-snGc

more on contemporary corruption please, preferably with bible verses or other theological extracts

Lit has a leftist SJW Jew for a mod

This isn't news

lol satan. I have trouble being afraid of a talentless seventeen year old inbred bitch from New Zealand or katy perry's dumb ass. these people don't know dick about the occult or the book of the law which is a steaming pile of shit anyway.

You really think Kanye West and Jay - Z have ever actually read any of this shit, doubt it.

>>4403083

it doesn't matter whether or not they have read those texts.

>>4403093

ok

>>4403083
> I have trouble being afraid of a talentless seventeen year old inbred bitch from New Zealand or katy perry's dumb ass.

You ought to be. They are very good at what they do.

>>4403068
Not today m8. If you watch Kanye West's "Power" video and will.i.am and Bieber's "#thatPOWER" video it leads me to believe that the Antichrist has been born.
When Kanye sings "no one man should have all that power" - he means the Antichrist, which he represents in the video.
When Bieber sings, "and, oh, I'm alive, I'm alive, I'm alive. And, oh, I can fly, I can fly, I can fly. And, oh, I'm alive, I'm alive, I'm live. And I'm loving every second, minute, hour, bigger, better, stronger, power", he's talking about the Antichrist, which he represents in the video.

I've just noticed, actually, that "will.i.am" is a reference to God, who calls Himself "I AM THAT I AM" in the Torah, and Christ calls Himself by the same name in the Bible. "WILL I AM", is a reference to God - "I AM" - and the "Will". The "Will" is an important part of Nietzsche's philosophy (who I don't think was an active satan worshipper / illuminati btw, I just think that he succumbed to extreme pride and was misled by satan), and of Aleister Crowley's (who was a satan worshipper. In fact, he is probably the most famous). "Do what thou WILT", is a famous phrase of Crowley's.

Like this guy says
>>4403093
It doesn't really matter whether or not they read those texts, but even so, I imagine that most of them do considering how many of them talk about selling their souls to the devil and practicing the occult.
Look at what Kanye gave his Kardashian this Christmas: http://vigilantcitizen.com/latestnews/kardashian-2013-christmas-card-tribute-illuminati-entertainment-industry/

The point, however, is that the lyrics/song can be interpreted in many ways. Most of the songs lyrics can be interpreted as applying directly to the singer's personal lives, so that when Kanye sings "no one man should have all that power", he isn't referring to the antichrist, he's just referring to his own stature in popular culture. And when Bieber sings "I'm alive" he's just talking about his own excitement about being alive, and not the Antichrist's. And when Katy Perry sings, "you're gonna hear me roar, louder, louder than a lion", she's not referring to any relationship between the Whore of Babylon in the Book of Revelation and Christ's title as the Lion of the tribe of Judah, she's just talking about feeling confident about herself in her personal life.
HOWEVER, the videos always offer us a lens through which to interpret the lyrics. If Kanye's song "Power" is supposed to refer to himself and himself alone, then WHY DO WE NEED ALL THAT SHIT?

>>4403148

OK, here's my view of why they put these symbols right in our faces. You'd think that if they were part of secret societies that they would want to keep things as quiet as possible and not reveal a thing, wouldn't you? You're wrong, and here's why:

1. They like to flaunt their power. They like to put it right in your face that they are your masters.
2. They are tempting you. When Selena Gomez, representing the Whore of Babylon, says in "Come and Get It", "when you are ready, come and get it", it's the great harlot saying that if you want to have all the pleasures of the world - fame and fortune, luxury and sex - she'll give them to you, if you fall down and worship her in your heart and soul. When Lorde sings "look upon your greatness, and she'll send the call out" - that is the Whore of Babylon saying the same thing, that if you look at yourself as being great - as having an immortal soul that you can sacrifice and bargain with - then "she", the great harlot, will purchase that soul and give you the whole world in return. When Britney Spears sings in "Work B**ch", "You wanna hot body, you wanna Bugatti, you wanna Maserati, you better work bitch", that is the great harlot saying to all the women in the world that she will give them access to the pleasures of the world if they will work for her. When Beyoncé sings in "Run the World", "My persuasion can build a nation. Endless power, with our love we can devour. You'll do anything for me", that is the great harlot saying that she has power over the nations and that you worship her. When Lady Gaga sings in "Do what U want", "You can't have my heart. And you won't use my mind but. Do what you want (with my body)", that is the great harlot saying that she will let you fornicate with her to your heart's desire, but her heart and mind will always remain above and beyond you, and she will be master over you. All this pop music is the Whore of Babylon whispering in your ear, calling to you, telling you that she "loves" (lusts after) you. Once you realize this you will realize how powerful pop music really is. When you imagine all those young girls grinding against strangers in night clubs to the sound of "Do what you want with my body" you'll realize the power of pop music, that its intention is to get the soul of man to worship the Beast. It's easier to imagine if you put your little sister in the Nightclub.

you don't have any objections to classical music now do you?

>>4403152
3. It's part of their ritual, they involve you in their ritual. Did you know that while the planes were flying into the Twin Towers George W. Bush was sat in a classroom with children chanting, "kite, hit, steel, plane, must"? I discovered this recently (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rhWqfPeerbo).). They let you know subliminally about these events before they happen. 9/11 was foreshadowed in popular films and television before the event. The reason is that they like to involve us in their rituals. They view themselves as the "all-seeing eye" at the top of the pyramid, and view us as having our eyes closed. So when we see things like 9/11 happen, which are pagan ritual sacrifices, the idea is that we are COMPLICIT with these things in our souls. That we know what they are about, in our deeper selves, but that we let it happen - we worship the Beast. At the end of Lorde's video she says, "we're on each other's team, and you know, and you know, AND YOU KNOW." That's how it ends. We know that the elite are on each other's team. We know they are part of a secret society. BUT WE DO NOTHING, WE CONTINUE TO WORSHIP THE THINGS OF THIS WORLD - PLEASURE, SEX, LUXURY - AND WE CHEER ON OUR "ENLIGHTENED" MASTERS FOR MAINTING THIS ORDER OF THINGS.

Again, events like 9/11 and the lyrics of pop music do not have to be interpreted in this spiritual/religious/symbolic/occult way at all, but they who control the media offer us clues that they OUGHT to be interpreted in this way. Watch Eminem's "Rap God" - why is there any need for all the cutaway shots to Bible verses and Biblical events? It's because they want you to "open your third-eye", to realize what Satan is offering you, what he will give you in return if you worship him.

It's extremely evil. Knowing these things is a kind of curse. It leads you into greater temptations. A man that thinks that the world is dominated by a small group of men and that there's nothing that he can do about may well be tempted to extreme apathy in his life, if not suicide. But a man that knows that the Whore of Babylon will give him power and sex and let him in on the secret club that runs the world will not be apathetic in life - he will either run away from the world and towards God, seeing how evil it is, or he will fornicate the world and perish forever.

This lapdance is by no means the most evil thing in the world. What makes it sinister is that they ritualize it, that they make it "divine". Without a doubt this entire performance is tame compared to what goes on in these temples, but it gives you an idea where they are at spiritually. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QOJ9Tfa9UV0

>>4403152
Have a ball with this one.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YkKRU1ajKFA

>>4403163

I honestly feel very doubtful whether or not I should be revealing these things to you. It's like I'm dangling a great temptation before your eyes. I might well be doing the Devil's work.
Let me assert, Jesus Christ is Lord and Saviour. If you do not not believe in Him you will surely perish forever. If you worship the harlot or the Beast you will be sent to the lake of fire. Be warned. This isn't a laughing matter, I'm actually way, way, way, in over my head on this matter. This thread is going to be last correspondence on 4chan. I have extreme doubts of what it is that I'm doing.

>>4403161
Classical music is no different. Here is an extreme example:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O7Wp3p3did4
There are classical pieces that are pure; but there are also very many that are no different spiritually to the pop music that I've been talking about.
A rule of thumb is that if the music gets you to think of God then it is good, but if the music is there "for music's sake" or "art's sake" then it is bad, and if the music has any reference to things like pagan gods, temples, rituals, revolutions, etc., then it is evil.

>>4403163

Bro. If Kanye West was powered by satan would he do so many retarded things and write so many retarded lyrics? The world loves shitting on kanye west.

>>4403170

so you also think the majority of art is satanic and misleading? don't you think perhaps the use of satanic imagery is sometimes necessary in order to come to a cohesive and emotional argument for good?

>>4403167

hey icognito give me a contact if your leaving, you're too interesting to leave now. give me a temp email address at least.

>>4403165
This one isn't even subtle, lol.

When the music's over
When the music's over, yeah
When the music's over
Turn out the lights
Turn out the lights
Turn out the lights, yeah

>"Light" has special significance. It means wisdom. However, to the occult "Light" also refers to the "Light-bearer" (the literal meaning of the name Lucifer). When Kanye has "All of the Lights" in his song he's talking about the revealed wisdom, "Light", that is contained in his music. The same with this song.

For the music is your special friend
Dance on fire as it intends
Music is your only friend
Until the end
Until the end
Until the end

>"Dance on fire" states what is going on spiritually - you're being possessed by unclean spirits, by satan. "Music is your only friend until the end" is saying that Satan is very good to those who give him his soul, until death comes. See the image for passages from Flaubert's "The Dance of Death" and Marlowe's "Faustus".

Cancel my subscription to the Resurrection
Send my credentials to the House of Detention
I got some friends inside

>No comment. I don't think the rest is even worth commenting on. It's obvious what is being said. Much more subtle is Bob Dylan's "Mr. Tambourine Man", where the tambourine man is the devil, the pied piper. "Mr Tambourine Man, play a song for me, In the jingle jangle morning I'll come followin' you." - Lucifer is the "son of the morning". Jay Z and Kanye also use the word morning in this way. Bob Dylan was quite exceptional with his lyrics. He makes those occult references with a lot of finesse.

>>4403187
>so you also think the majority of art is satanic and misleading?

Yes. Shakespeare is a great example. Shakespeare was an Elizabethan par excellence, and what characterized the Elizbethan age was magic, witches, secret spies, and an opposition to the Catholic Church. All of the surreal imagery that we have is based on Elizabethan England. Alice in Wonderland (Queen of Hearts represents Queen Elizabeth I) and Mary Poppins are both based on the Elizabethan era. Shakespeare is full of mysticism and sorcery.

>don't you think perhaps the use of satanic imagery is sometimes necessary in order to come to a cohesive and emotional argument for good?

Let's put it like this. At the end of Romeo & Juliet the protagonists die, and so the "moral of the story" is that the vanity of young love can have dire consequences - but that didn't stop the entire play previously from glorifying that young love and from causing generations of people afterwards to become enamored by the idea of "romance". Young girls still watch that play today and swoon over Romeo. Look at Scorcese's "Goodfellas" - that ends badly too, but that didn't stop the entire preceding part of the film from glorifying gangsters/the mafia is some way, and young kids still watch that film today and swoon over that kind of lifestyle. When Goethe wrote his Sorrows of Young Werther he glamorized young love just as Shakespeare did, and many of the young people who read Goethe's book killed themselves just as Werther did for their transcendental attachment to their beloved. You see the point? It's not enough just to tack on a "moral" at the end. That does not justify it. You have to consistently and throughout the work be telling the reader that the things that are being presented which are evil, ARE indeed evil. You can't glamorize them and say that, "well, we are only showing how things look from the character's perspective. Of course to them these things are glamorous and tempting, and so in order to be true to nature we have to portray these temptations properly". You have to condemn the Devil when he appears on stage. You can't make him look beautiful for the entire play and then reveal his true face at the end, because people will remember the glamorous part which is 95% of the play and forget the 5% at the end.

Mary Poppins.
The very idea behind surrealism is magic, the perversion of reality, the subversion of God's natural order.

>>4403194
Use ctrl&+ and ctrl&- to adjust the image size.

>>4403204
you're more interesting when you talk about Hegel.

what are you proposing, what's the point of all this?

>>4403204

well can you give me some examples of some literary works that are pure in that regard? because by that logic pretty much everything i've ever read is corrupt.

>>4403205

you don't think perhaps that movements such as surrealism and expressionism remove the power of language and imagery by showing it as nonsensical? i can already guess your view as per your example of werther, but then, just because a few people interpret things incorrectly, does not mean that those who are ready will not interpret it correctly? the same is true for everything surely? isn't it the nature of the beast to attempt to invert everything that is holy?

>>4403208

>isn't it the nature of the beast to attempt to invert everything that is holy?

and by that logic isn't the only holy act silence? but then nothing is communicated, no one is helped.

>>4403207
That satan is real and you have to give your life over to Christ.
Sounds naive, but it's the truth.

>>4403205
not in it's true form, surrealism is meant to be about the real world, or the world of deeper connection, under the radar of language.

watch a Bunuel, like the Exterminating Angel

>>4403208
Boethius' Consolidations of Philosophy

>>4403217

well i've never read that but i was hoping for works of fiction, i should have specified. thanks though, noted.

>>4403215
or Simon of the Desert, the ending of which matches sort of to what you're proposing, ie the modern world is devil's playground

>>4403218
and by Consolidations, I of course meant Consolations

>>4403212
do other religions work? or is it just christianity? christianity in what form?

>>4403170
I enjoyed that quite a bit, thank you.

>>4403208
>well can you give me some examples of some literary works that are pure in that regard?

They are honestly few and far between. Even the great Virgil has occult shit going on. Think of when Aeneas (father of the people that will build Rome) has that weird, ersatz marriage with Dido (Carthage) and the result is the great conflict between Rome and Carthage.
This is significant. The Romans knew what this symbolized. Hannibal, general of Carthage, had come the closest anybody had ever come, at the time, to destroying Rome. It was said by Virgil's time that "Hannibal had taught Rome to fear". So when Aeneas has that mystical marriage with Dido it's basically saying that this offended the gods and that the Punic wars were the retribution for this abomination.

Honestly, I don't have much hope for art. Not long ago, when I was a secular minded person, I would have told you that art is the greatest expression of humanity and that studying art will enlighten you. Now I think art is just a very inconcise way to do a ritual. Humanity is based on ritual, on religion - not art. Art is more or less a facilitator to a ritual - we use music, for example, to incite certain passions that are approprite to whatever ritual is taking place. I think the reason why people put so much emphasis on art these days is because they have no religion, and art is the last vestige of spirituality left for secular people - but art is, like I said, just a kind of ritual. This painting of Venus, for example, is nothing but an idol. The pagans worshipped idols for spiritual insight/power. When you "contemplate and appreciate this masterful work of art" you are basically just worshipping a pagan goddess in your soul. The problem with this is who is conducting the ritual, to which priesthood does the art pay homage to? I bet you can find art that glorifies God, but I'd wager that there's much more art that glorifies the world and the god of this world (satan).

This is also why I don't think our civilization is very advanced. I think religion/ceremony is a much greater indicator of human advancement than is technology.

thoughts on the catholic church as it is today and the vatican 2?

also just read this: http://www.tanbooks.com/doct/destroy_church.htm

Please /pol/, not here.

>>4403224
Catholicism. Although it's very tricky now because arguably the so-called "Catholic Church" has itself been corrupted from the inside, and that the "true Catholic Church" is now a remnant which is not in communion with Pope Francis (who many would call antipope Francis, antipope being a historical term, not just a nasty name intended to spite).
I think Protestantism is untenable and that the "Orthodox Church" is just the result of a petty political dispute with people being unwilling to submit to an authority.
Protestantism is founded on two dogmas - "Sola Scriptura" and "Sola Fide", Scripture Alone and Faith Alone. Faith Alone is the idea that man is "justified by faith, separate from his works", i.e. if a man believes in Christ and His salvation, that man is saved. The way Protestants like to justify this is by saying that Christ and Christ alone is the saviour, that salvation is gratuitous gift, and saying that we are saved by our faith as well as our works is tantamount to saying that we "merit" salvation, and that is a blasphemous idea because nobody really "merits" salvation, it is just a gift of God's great mercy. However, Christ said that he is blessed who KEEPS his Word, who DOES the things that he commands, and the apostle James said that faith without works is dead. What kind of faith do you have if you continue to fornicate with the world? What does it say about your faith if you continue to be uncharitable, indignant towards the poor, quick to anger, disobedient, etc.? It only shows that your "faith" is nothing but your taking Christ in vain, that your faith is dead.
Sola Scriptura is the big one. It's what makes Protestantism so unstable. The idea here is that the Holy Bible is the ultimate authority on matters pertaining to faith and dogmas, and that nobody can say something is dogmatic unless it is explictly stated in the Bible. The problem with this asinine idea is that the INTERPRETATION matters just as much as the words of scripture themselves. What does it matter if the Holy Bible is the inspired word of God if a devil can come along and twist the words to suit his own ends? Just as the Bible is inspired by the Holy Spirit, SO MUST THE INTERPRETATION OF THE BIBLE BE INSPIRED BY THE HOLY SPIRIT. And that is EXACTLY what the Catholic Church claims - that their interpretation of the Bible is overseen and protected by the Holy Spirit, that the Holy Spirit prevents the bishops from promulgating false doctrines on faith and morals. Now, that is a big claim for the Catholic Church to make - that claim that it is infallible and protected by the Holy Spirit itself - but that is the exact claim that is needed for a Church to be consistent in itself. Otherwise you end up with a million different denominations of "Protestantism" where each Church claims to have the correct interpretation and nobody can say who is wrong or who is right (because we would require the Holy Spirit to decide for us).

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>>4403250
ah dang it
i was hoping you wouldn't say catholicism
i turned my card in for zen buddhism
it's harder form, i realised the importance of morality on my own (ie experminenting with libertinism), which is kinda cool, now that i've been through the 'hell is the absence of god'.

>>4403250
Plus, if we are to take Christ seriously (and that is obviously a rudimentary prerequisite for anybody calling themselves "Christian") then it's not like He would show up for a few years, inspire the apostles to write a few books and then just leave us there to figure out their meaning by ourselves. Why would He abandon us like that? Surely He would guide us in some way. It's entirely consistent with scripture for Catholics to claim that their Church is protected by the Holy Spirit, because that's exactly the kind of thing that God would do in order to keep His word.
"And I say to thee: That thou art Peter; and upon this rock I will build my church, and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it."

>>4403021
Incognito is the one fag on all of 4chan who gets all biblical allusions.

I, too, appreciate this literary work.

>>4403258
that's my problem with christianity man
they're stuck with things that happened 2000 years ago, not much mention of the current situation, this belief is probably what's blocking in a jesus character in coming through. christian except apocalytic/other worldly acts from the messiah, but jesus doesn't work on that plane, he'd be completely plain and not accepted by most christians

i get a sense that there is a bit of truth in PKD's theory of this being the time of jesus in different form. except i would say that these things play out through the ages, and takes a right combination of things to happen for it to activate.
so in other words we could have many jesus like characters, like there are many buddha characters.

>>4403250
>>4403258

I consider myself Catholic, but it is still relatively new, and I am not baptised and have not been to church, deciding instead to study hard first so as to join with as full a knowledge as is possible. The thing that is stopping me right now is questions about Vatican 2, the state of the modern Church as it relates to tradition, and the liberalisation of the Church, and the validity of all these things. For instance, let's say for instance that the Church has been systematically corrupted from within, would it still be better to be in communion with Rome, or to join a traditionalist Church that is not in communion? I feel as though it is the former at the moment. I am also not sure if all the accusations of the bastardisation of tradition are overblown or not.

>>4403250
The point isn't about meriting salvation; it's that the law is so strong that it damns everyone. Protestantism (properly practiced) strengthens the law because it reminds you of the extent of the depravity of your sins. The Catholic church won't even deny this, as we're all sinners, but they want you to mitigate it through a structure of human authority. You put your faith in a priest rather than God, or you put your faith in God through a priest rather than through God alone.

That doesn't mean I'm advocating Protestantism, I just haven't seen any church that can call itself truly catholic.

I'm not religious, but I read the bible every day so that I don't miss out on any allusions

>>4403251
Alex Jones is a false prophet, he's on your side.

We have God Almighty.
Just as God lead His people out of Egypt and out of Babylon, so will He lead His people once more out of their current place of captivity which is called "Mystery Babylon".
You can live in a Egyptian Pharoa for a few years, we (though I do not count myself yet among God's peopple) will dwell in the House of the Lord forever.

Why have the Gentile raged, and the people devised vain things?
The kings of the earth stood up, and the princes met together, against the Lord, and against his Christ.
Let us break their bonds asunder: and let us cast away their yoke from us.
He that dwelleth in heaven shall laugh at them: and the Lord shall deride them.
The shall he speak to them in his anger, and trouble them in his rage.
But I am appointed king by him over Sion his holy mountain, preaching his commandment.
The Lord hath said to me: Thou art my son, this day have I begotten thee.
Ask of me, and I will give thee the Gentiles for thy inheritance, and the utmost parts of the earth for thy possession.
Thou shalt rule them with a rod of iron, and shalt break them in pieces like a potter's vesel.
And now, O ye kings, understand and receive instruction, you that judge the earth.
Serve ye the Lord with fear: and rejoice unto him in trembling.
Embrace discipline, lest at any time the Lord be angry, and you perish from the just way.
When his wrath shall be kindled in a short time, blessed are all they that trust in him.

Your kingdom is built on quicksand. It is sinking already. There will be great spectacles where the people worship the Beast and then God will move against this New Egypt.

>>4403272
ironically, Luther believed that corrupted organizations are not to be cut off so long as they contain a bit of good within them, whereas (I assume?) the Catholic church has the opposite view

Spare me your righteous whining, thou dupe of the Demiurge, O deceived of Yahweh!

You who would bid the White man turn away from the gods of his fathers, known of old, and worship instead with all piety a foreign god, a Jewish God; to direct our energy not to self, folk and conquest but to squander our precious energies on the wasting sickness of the Nihilist of Nazarene.

The Christian is moved to make these angry posts because his god knows he is losing his thin foothold in the world, and that every iota of energy we direct away from his edifice of fakery, his 'church', is one more nail in the coffin of the decadent desert demon.

So turn away from the Whore of Babylon, deny your nature, deny Frigga and Freyja and the gifts they can bring to you; instead condemn yourself to perpetual virginity, meekness, to be conquered and never the conquerer. Turn away, White man, we would hate you to develop your volkisch instincts and raise up your full energies, sexual and creative, moral and mystical.

Oy vey!

>>4403272
I can't answer you because I am in the exact - the exact - same position as you are.

>>4403288
Don't kid yourself m8. Abraham and his people were white. It's the dark-skinned Canaanites to which you owe all of those pagan idols.

>>4403288
Pauline Christianity is fundamentally affirmative; don't fall into Nietzsche's sloppy reading of the Bible.

>>4403291
Abraham and his followers were most definitely brown. Not that it really matters, anyways.

>>4403291

Less polemically, because really I was just writing in a wordy fashion for a bit of fun - how can you stand by the idea of Christian religion when we've got a much prouder heathen history to follow?

The man who decries The Elite, who decries the Whore of Babylon - he is a man who knows what can be had, not just material but also spiritual conquest, and he knows and fears what is in man.

Why not, instead of turning away in fear, fear of a nonexistent afterlife etc., turn towards older traditions and seek affirmation there?

>>4403293

Nietzsche is peachy, but I am talking more directly about this business where we're all pretending that psycho-supernatural figures actually exist.

In any belief system where the Whore of Babylon can go about tempting men, I think we're much more sensible to go around asking why the ever-giving woman is the whore but some middle-eastern import god is totally on the level for real.

>>4403291
>north africans and middle easterners
>white
Whatever you say, boyo

>>4403148
Fuck off back to /x/ you stupid tinfoil faggot.

>>4403301
>how can you stand by the idea of Christian religion when we've got a much prouder heathen history to follow?

There's nothing to be proud of worshipping idols and making human sacrifices to them. Its the essence of evil. I'm glad that the Christians smashed the idols of Europe and flattened their unholy hills. I'm glad that the Christian Spaniards smashed the Aztec and Incan temples with their obscene sacrifices and replaced them with the Churh. It's some of the best work that has ever been done.

>The man who decries The Elite

Note: I do not hate the Elite because they have power, I hate them because they trespass against God and do everything they can to make us trespass against Him. It's not their authority that I mind, it's their abuse of it. I'm not a Marxist who thinks that all authority is evil.

>he is a man who knows what can be had, not just material but also spiritual conquest, and he knows and fears what is in man.

It's God that I need to be fearing, not man. Man is pathetic as soon as he strays away from God. As soon as Man thinks he can run things by himself, without God, you end up with infinite vanity and abominable sacrifices.

> older traditions

I'm suspicious of your chronology.

>>4403305
tbh, I'm not sure what color they were.
I do, however, have my doubts whether the Ashkenazi and Shephardic "Jews" of today have any ethnic ties with Abraham, Moses, or David.

>>4403310


>There's nothing to be proud of worshipping idols and making human sacrifices to them

Wow good job Schlomo you really won me over with those hot opinions

>>4403314
Worshipping something worldly, mundane, as though it were divine is corruption itself. Bowing before an idol and submitting it spiritually as your god is more evil than murder. There are lots of mistakes that you can forgive men for making, but making something of the world an image of the divine is not one of them.

>>4403317

What? Nuts! As above, so below; if you cannot make an ontic representation of a semiological/metaphysical phenomenon then it is no phenomenon at all.

The idol, as it were, merely acts as a focus; because do not be fooled, the God-as-God, even if he exists in a metaphysical realm, exists FOR YOU only as a symbol inside your head, brain chemicals representing your relationship to him. The idol is a furthering of this, a bringing about of the divine, an invitiation to enter the world and act in it.

>>4403317
Yeah, who does shit like that?

>>4403310
>I'm glad that the Christian Spaniards smashed the Aztec and Incan temples with their obscene sacrifices and replaced them with the Church
you're glad they slaughtered the natives while offering them terms of conversion in a language they didn't understand? This is why I can't accept the Catholic church.

>>4403324

he specified making something of the world an image of the divine. catholic idols do not fit that category.

and the veneration of mary is just that - veneration, not worship.

>>4403336
What's the difference between a statue of mary or a saint that people pray to and worship(cults and sects exist that literally worship them), and an idol that people pray to? Both represent a "divine" being that is the focus of their worship.

>>4403323
Yeah, I understand this notion.
This is how I make my final judgement, "by their fruits you shall know them".
What are the fruits of the Egyptian mystery schools that worship the inner eye? Human sacrifice, orgies, lust, secrets, etc. What are the fruits of the Church were Christ is sacrificed for men (rather than men being sacrificed for gods)? Love (based on sympathy, not lust), kindness, humility, forbearance, self-denial.
So which ought I to go for? Which should all call good and holy and which evil and unholy?
The meek inherit the earth, not the proud. When you are meek you can live on the Earth at peace with it, not despising yourself for your weakness or seeking to glorify yourself at the expense of others. The proud inherit nothing but death. They demand more and more sacrifice for their own sake, there is never enough, they always want MORE because they DESERVE MORE because they are GREAT.
Your entire philosophy is based on man becoming divine, man becoming God. The idea that more and more revealed wisdom will lead to a kind of divinity, that man will mate with the angels and give birth to a race of supermen. My philosophy is based on God becoming man . . . and sacrificing Himself for our sake. Not in our glory but in our lowliness, God makes this sacrifice for us. All you want is glory. You want higher and higher pyramids, you want to populate the stars with your seed, your generation. That's all these people care about, "Generation", the big G, sex and offspring and bloodlines and the power derived from them. You don't mind telling lies, you don't mind murdering, you don't mind raping, you don't mind making sacrifices in the millions - because it's all for the glorification of the human race, the raising of man to the level of God. It's the project of Lucifer.
But your civilizations are barren. How beautifully barren are the Pyramids, how desolate those deserts. And our civilization will return to dust too, never reaching the stars. How beautiful, to know that the proud will be stamped out and that all the abominable sacrifices they made and the lies they told to cover them up are to be punished.

>>4403345

there is only one god, and he is the only god that is worshipped by catholics. catholics do however have many prayers for mary and the saints, and it is part of every day life. but it is not worship, consider it more like asking a friend to talk to someone on your behalf. mary has a special place in catholicism because she was born without original sin by the grace of god, and upon the annunciation when gabriel appeared and asked her if she would carry the lord, she said yes. note that she was asked, and that she said yes. catholics like to pray to her and ask her to pray for them, because of her kindness and her charity, and of course, because she is the mother of god. it is a very nuanced tradition. look it up for better explanations than mine.

/lit/ mod is the fucken worst. Seriously.

>>4403356

Stop that shit Chaim, it's not an argument.

> The meek inherit the earth, not the proud.

I look around and I see a lot of proud men, confident men in charge, and the meek are left to suck it.

As I see it, the meek conned the strong for a while into being ashamed of strength, and they (as SJWs and shit, post-Christian, Kantians) continue to do this crap - but then when someone stands up for power, pride and conquest, like Lorde or Florence or whoever, they are the Whore of Babylon. You know you're slipping and this makes you nervous, you who have only words and not a sword-arm to speak of.

Captcha: Owniemen Victory.

These are the words that will be heard throughout eternity.

Blessed are the poor in spirit: for theirs is the kingdom of heaven.
Blessed are the meek: for they shall possess the land.
Blessed are they that mourn: for they shall be comforted.
Blessed are they that hunger and thirst after justice: for they shall have their fill.
Blessed are the merciful: for they shall obtain mercy.
Blessed are the clean of heart: for they shall see God.
Blessed are the peacemakers: for they shall be called the children of God.
Blessed are they that suffer persecution for justice' sake: for theirs is the kingdom of heaven.
Blessed are you when they shall revil you, and persecute you, and speak all that is evil against you, untruly, for my sake:
Be glad and rejoice, for your reward is very great in heaven. For so they persecuted the prophets that were before you.

And all of the "Noble Lies" that the Pharoas and Philosopher Kings spoke in order to lead Man to the Tower of Babylon and raise him up as God - will be forgotten.

>>4403379
I stand for conquest too. One of us is standing for the army of Heaven, and the other for the Devil and his angels . . .

You missed what I said. I've already said that I'm not against power or authority. I am FOR power and authority, which is why I resent when the leaders of nations refuse to submit their power and authority to the higher power and authority - God. It's their rebelliousness that is abominable.

>>4403382
Blessed are the cheesemakers?

God laughs at the Tower of Babylon.

>He that dwelleth in heaven shall laugh at them: and the Lord shall deride them.

That's what the proud aim at - a divine joke. They want to raise up a massive of obelisk across the Universe as a testament to man's divinity - and God Almighty laughs at this gesture of ultimate vanity.

Keep raising up your obelisk. God will soften it before its had chance to ejaculate over the stars.

>>4403396
Hey Incognito. Why can't I make the sign of the cross with my left hand? I'm left handed and it's awkward to do with my right hand.

Does God really care if I use my right hand? Seems like bullshit only Pharisees would care about.

inb4 i'm left handed and therefore satanic

>>4403038
what the fuck does exalift mean

>>4403404
I don't know, Anon. I'm not a priest, to be fair.

>>4403405
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WTJSt4wP2ME

>>4403410
yeah i saw it from the fifa cup but doesn't explain what it means

This upcoming film, "Jupiter Ascending", is all about the Illuminati and the Egyptian mysteries and the idea that man can become divine through technology and can populate the stars.

The super hero films refer to the Nephilim, apparently. The Nephilim are referred to in the Bible as a race of half-human and half-fallen-angel giants that populated the earth a long time ago. The idea is that man can mix with the divine and become "superhuman". The reason why people make these kinds of connections are for things like the fallen angels being referred to as "Iron" and man as "clay", and so that Nephilim are referred to in the Bible as "iron mixed with clay", hence "Ironman", and "The Man of Steel (Superman)".

>>4403417
I have no idea what it means. The big picture of the rainbow face alludes to it. I think it is supposed to mean "exalted", "lifted up".

>>4403417
It's a line in the song. "Heads are lifting"
/sp/ made it "exaliftin" because that's what it sounds like he's saying.

I used to go on /sp/ a lot

>>4403431
o well taht explains a lot thanks u /sp/ for these epic memes

I love these threads but I always feel thoroughly confused and unsure of where I stand afterwards.