/lit/ - Literature

Yes, but I've read more on entheogens than chemistry.

>>4403010
any specific literature?

>>4403012
Gee I dunno try strike, otto snow, and uncle festers books?

This isn't hard OP

>>4403012
Just finished Garden of Eden by Voogelbreinder which was a good mix of ethnobotany, pharmacology, esoteric philosophy and good ol' drug talk.

Then just the standards; Huxley, Leary, Ott, Strassman, McKenna etc.

I'm a chemical engineer. A field so boring I don't even see it mentioned in any of the books I've read. Which doesn't say much, really, but come on.

>>4403006
Not really into it, but into what it can do for me.
i.e. turning smokable drugs into edible ones and so on.

>>4403019
implying anyone on lit could actually make these chemicals right now

>im the only one

>>4403137
that takes literally no chemistry skills at all even a monkey could do it

How much science do you need to know to enjoy this book?

>>4405299
Right. A monkey could do that.

>>4405316
while the love story written by his wife could theoretically be enjoyed by anyone;

the main focus of the book is experiences with various chemicals he synthesized so avid drug users would get more enjoyment and;

anyone who actually wants to make the chemicals would want this book as it has detailed instructions

but the love story imo is not above average writing and spews a lot of pseudo science based religious/spiritual pipe dream claims, doesnt mean its not a decent read though

Buy some basic organic chemistry book so you can get a grasp of it

PiHKAL and TiHKAL don't contain realistic instructions on drug manufacture. not even top chemists would use the methods of PiHKAL or TiHKAL for their impracticality

Look at this bad boy: http://isomerdesign.com/PiHKAL/read.php?domain=pk&id=30

Lasts from 32 to 48 hours!

Do you have a 2 day rave? No problem, take this before leaving home and party for 2 days straight. You don't even have to take anything else with you.

>>4406071

Really?

There are no sources, but wikipedia says:

"The MDMA ("ecstasy") synthesis published in PiHKAL remains one of the most common clandestine methods of its manufacture to this day."

- http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PiHKAL

>>4406084
That is not true, even by 1996 there were other cheaper, more convenient methods which had become popular. This is a picture of an MDMA lab some time before 2004, the equipment (let alone the obtainability of the chemicals Shulgin had access to) would not be capable of Shulgin's process and indeed there is equipment present which would be unnecessary for Shulgin's process.

>>4406071
>>4406084
>>4406106
I couldn't find any better ways to make any of the 2c family but im sure theres a lot better ways to make the rest

All the 2c family aswell as dom and lsd is what i have experience with. All they have lead me to believe is that real reality(matter) and your own perceived reality are equally real and all context should be taken with a grain of salt. This being said I would not consider myself insane, I just believe that you are equally in each world and becoming the strongest version of yourself in one (or not becoming this person) is what is limiting you in the other. Read the book about the mkultra project and youll see using these drugs is irrelevant to personality engineering because all they did was separate peoples personalities in other peoples realities.

>>4406739

DOM information is a little scarce.

How does it compare, mentally and physically, with other tryptamines/phenethylamines?

Are the visuals strong? Also, do you get lightheaded as in 2C-B or mind-fucked as in LSD?

Do you think it would be an adequate substance to be taken at a rave? How's the euphoria side? Anything like MDMA where you just want to dance hard and smile all night? Or is it too overwhelming for such a setting?

Really, I just want to understand it before getting some.

Thank you.

>>4408202
Ive taken it twice and the first time i took 1 dose. The way i would describe it was you get a deep understanding of your surroundings and what people around you, similar to lsd, as well as; the urge to do nothing at all similar to a very strong cannabis indica high. The main difference with the visuals of lsd and dom is that you see more cartoon and sharp-(similar to 2c family) and life is close to real with added hallucinations, rather than lsd where you can just stare infinitally into something. The 2nd time i took dom i took 10ish times the regular dose that is normally perceived as strong. Visual effects started pretty close to instantly and in contrast to the first time that lasted ~10 hours, during the 3 day trip the visuals never stopped getting stronger. Me and many other people that took the dom with me saw similar visual hallucinations at some points, most notably being; food turning into the raw ingredients they're made from (including animals which is scary and nerve wracking), black intricate designs being a new colour our minds have not registered yet or had any experience with, lights making easily visible rays that stained colour of life around them, and floors being the most comfortable bed ever.


Coming into the dom trip had little to no side effects or uncomfortable points. One precaution i theorized would yeilds benefits that i experimented with was overloading myself on a vitamin to overpower the oncoming effects with an annoyance that is actually enjoyable simply knowing that it is a less painful annoyance of stomach pain and possible headaches. You should try this because i have a major in biology with extensive biochemistry and anatomy knowledge and not many people have documented anything to help this trip yet. I would only use vitamin a-d or possibly potassium. Another way to take the edge off the trip, like any other drug that puts you into psychedelia, is to smoke some cannabis throughout.

>>4409244
*******continued (comment too long)************
Similar to every other time i try chemicals from pihkal and tihkal, i like ot be inside just listening to music or talking with friends about the experience or philosophy or politics. In my opinion none of the drugs that are not amphetamine based/overcoming from pihkal and tihkal are rave drugs. Concerts for sure, i have gone to classical music concerts many times on lsd and once on dom. But raves need a drug that takes over your mind and allows you to trance (like mdma). I believe shulgin refers to the group as "essential amphetamines" or "basic amphetamines" that are all drugs i would consider for a rave environment. Im pretty sure this was comprised of mostly (1) methoxys and dioxyamphetamines.


Physically nothing compares to dom besides lsd. There is no point in explaining anything past the fact that you get the wave of feeling feeling exactly the same as lsd and theres no other way to describe it. The variation in your body feels a little different on dom in the sense that you always feel like if you were a grain of sand out of 2 hand fulls being thrown together and your thoughts are colliding with only a certain amount of other grains, too fast for you to capture any context of physicality.

Hope this helped man ask me anything else and ill answer.

>>4403006
Receptors - Richard Restak M.D. is nice if you are a layman.

>>4403019
http://www.erowid.org/archive/rhodium/chemistry/eleusis/eleusis.vs.fester.html

>>4409244
>>4409247

That was a pretty interesting read. Thank you.

I might try DOM at home as a way of introspection, then, i believe. In case I decide to: "the urge to do nothing at all" doesn't sound too appealing to my person.

Perhaps if I get comfortable with it, I may take a dose for a rave and keep bumping it up with MDMA if I feel too down or "spaced out". Once I had an awful experience with what I believe to have been an NBOMe, in which I would just look up and keep looking around at a rave, ultimately confused.

What I was looking for, essentially, was a drug of long duration so I didn't have to keep redosing at day-long events (not yet found) and an introspection drug that has a nice vibe to it but isn't too overwhelming for me to function (perhaps DOM, even more by its description of being serene, tranquil and peaceful).

>>4409632
In that case I would say take 2ci and if that isnt strong enough 2ce is what youre looking for. They both have the psychedelia of lsd with a nice amphetamine/mdma body high when taken at high doses.

>>4410459

2C-E it is, then!
Thank you for the recommendation.
Anything else you would think worth trying, for both rave and peaceful settings?

>>4410506
DMMDA and DMMDA-2 although sometimes you might have too much energy for a peaceful setting i think its what youre looking for

By the way, have you ever tried 25-I-NBOMe? I and some friends tried it. 2 friends and me took 1200 micrograms and got incredible visuals plus some intense mindfuck. 1 other friend, with the same amount, got what we could only define as schizophrenic. 4 other people took 300 micrograms and got no visuals, but intense paranoia. As if people were talking, laughing or looking at them (depending on the person).

After researching online, I found no more than 1 case where such negative effects were so extremely present.

Any opinions?

>>4410525

Written down. I am not sure I can get my hands on those, though.

Do you synthesize your own substances? If so, could you share some experiences, stories or anything interesting you have ever done? How you got into it, how you explore the tryptamines/phenethylamines, if you have ever designed a drug not in PiHKAL,TiHKAL or in literatuere as a whole. LSZ, AL-LAD, etc. opinion and so on.

Just some run-trough of your experiences in the world after opening the doors of perception.

>>4410527
Ive never tried it personally but looking at the chemical it would open all the receptors to make you more aware of your surroundings. Most people would probably describe this as euphoria simply because they cant focus enough to get these effects but i could easily see paranoia happening.

>>4410506
2c-e has quite a body load on the way up. After that, it's pretty smooth though. Nice visuals, stoned headspace.

If you want long duration 2c-p. Lasts about 12 hours. Come up is very gradual. You won't be "there" until about 2 or 3 hours into it. Same headspace as 2c-e, maybe a bit deeper. Slightly less visuals.

5-meo-mipt is one of my faves. Very slight visuals, moderate tryptamine headspace, and is very, very sensual.

Having underlying anxiety disorder and some bad shit happen recently in my life dropped me out of the psych game. I miss them sometimes. Was more of a collector/drug nerd in any case.

>>4410541
I have made hundreds of chemicals although most of them were from pihkal and tihkal ive made many more. I have a lab which cost me about $15,000 canadian dollars. I have all the equipment id ever need to make any chemical a swell as a freezer with adjustable compartments so each cubic foot(ish) can have separate temperatures so i can store things for a long time. Also an anti-contamination suit with an automatic washer. All these things are really not needed for what i do but i plan on testing my "supplements" on rats when i think they are stable enough for consumption. Most of my time is going towards making a drug stronger than any anabolic steroid, but yielding no side effects (LOL).

I got into this whole deal from university. After I finished high school i took college for kinesiology and health and fitness. Following those years i took a degree in university of pure organic chemistry for 3 years and over that time i collected all the equipment for my lab as well as buying small amounts of chemicals consistently to stockpile for when i could actually use them.

Why do i take all these drugs knowing the serious side effects? I believe in the way that literature opens your mind to new thoughts because you can think faster in your language, making your mind faster, chemicals that alter reality have a similar effect. After taking so many different mind altering drugs i can now understand much more peoples explanations about things, making learning so much easier. If you have ever felt the feeling of being "blind" or clueless to context of what someone is saying, psychedelics train that part of the brain that creates that effect, in my opinion.

>>4410581

That's a lovely history.

I am limited to online darkmarkets, unfortunately, and as such stuck with less compounds and of uncertain quality. Hopefully someday I can set something like what you have up; however, I think I am a little bit further from that reality.

That was a great read, thank you. Do you happen to have a book, blog, anything else about your experiences? I would LOVE to check it out, as well as many other persons certainly would.

>>4410652
I am planning on writing a book eventually if you leave your email ill send it to you when im done. Im also writing novels in the meal time. I can send you some of the documentation from my experiments since theyre all on my computer in doc format

>>4410804

That would be marvelous!

I will be eagerly awaiting it.

>>4410581
>I have made hundreds of chemicals although most of them were from pihkal and tihkal ive made many more
>I have a lab which cost me about $15,000 canadian dollars.
>as well as buying small amounts of chemicals consistently to stockpile for when i could actually use them.

What do you actually do for a living? Is this lab a side thing or connected with whatever your job is? It seems to me that buying all that equipment and chemicals would attract attention of authorities and i'm pretty sure that synthesis of anything amphetamine related is illegal (on your own, at least)... Ever had legal issues?

To the fellow psychonaut chemist: do you follow the synthesis methods described in PiHKAL and TiHKAL?

Because according to >>4406106 they are inefficient.

Also, what about original drugs? What's your best creation? Do you have "rationale to have designed this drug" writings?

Finally, having taken hundreads of chemicals, what would say to have been your best experiences? Could you describe them, please?

You definitely should write a book!

>>4411224
I am a personal trainer and at first i was only making around 70,000/year but im going to aim for 200k this year (year 4)

>>4410459
Any experiences of 2C-TFM or DOTFM?

>>4411421

Not him, but there is a good thread over bluelight (you may already be aware of it, though):

http://www.bluelight.ru/vb/threads/504908-DOTFM-(2mg)-New-Experience

And it is pretty great! A study with 4 people and more than 10 experience summarized.

bump

ITT broke shut ins tell fictitious war stories of how their life would be if they had friends and no crippling social disorders

>>4403006
I bought it for the chemicals at the back as well, but then I actually read the stories.

Jesus christ Shulgin has lived an AMAZING life. I was gripped and read the entire PHIKAL in a single sitting.

2c-b is one of my favourites.

MDMA will always be my favourite though, sadly the police are cracking down on it crazy here so its getting more and more rare.