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>/lit/
>objectively

I think you clicked on the wrong board.

>>4458022
Do tell, which boards deal with matters objectively?

>>4458022
or the wrong universe

>>4458025
/sci/

>>4458027
>science
>objective

>>4458014
You mean like, in quality? Or fame and influence? Because you won't find a single book sci-fi book that influenced the entire genre in the same way that LotR did.

>>4458027

/sci/ is a bunch of NEETs with a high school education copypasting wikipedia articles they dont understand.

>>4458027
If that was true then they wouldn't have so many arguments.

>>4458031
I mean a universe that vast and rich in details ..you know..like in the Lord of the Rings series

>>4458032
except they go to better universities than lit

>>4458025
/counterfactual/

>>4458036
okay so i'm a stem phd at an ivy i've never been to /sci/ before i think hey maybe i should check out /sci/
> weird racist african development thread
> "eurekalert": inserting artificial memories in the brain
> jacob barnett
> everything else is college threads

is this hell? am i dead? it's definitely not science

>>4458036
I doubt it.

okay so i'm a stem phd at an ivy i've never been to /lit/ before i think hey maybe i should check out /lit/
>what's your opinion on sci fi and lotr
>jaden smith thread
>what do your girl friends read?
>everything else is shitty pseudo-intellectual threads

is this hell? am i dead? it's definitely not literature

>>4458061
>>4458047
>MY BOARD IS BETTER THAN YOUR BOARD

>>4458047
>> "eurekalert": inserting artificial memories in the brain
What's wrong with that?

Would Star Wars count?

>>4458069
And how is it not science?

>>4458069
Not him but it just screams of the sort of pop-sci bullshit that /sci/ usually hates

>>4458061
well yeah i've only been on /lit/ for like a couple hours and so far results aren't promising

>>4458069
i really don't want to see a bunch of not-neuroscientists discussing the speculative sci-fi implications of a rodent study described in a press release that isn't even open access publishing so it's a guarantee that none of them have actually read it

>>4458087
>pop-sci
>American Association for the Advancement of Science
>University of California

>>4458096
what do you expect to see there? neuroscientists discussing unreleased papers from their research labs?

Go away, /sci/.

OP, maybe the Foundation series?

>>4458114
the study is published in neuroscience and is almost certainly fine

the thread topic is "how far are we from inserting artificial education in the human brain and obviating the need for schooling," which is not

>>4458114
Your point?

It doesn't matter how legitimate it is, if it's been delivered to a general audience in a way that they can discuss it without knowing shit about it it's pop-sci.

>>4458131
ohh so it doesn't use enough complicated words

>>4458134
Yes that is clearly what I said.

>strawman

>>4458119
well it'd be nice if it was the kind of shit-shooting that goes on at like an actual conference. in my field that would be like
>how do i into big data
>IRB and privacy -- huge public controversy with the NSA right now
>core philosophical epistemology arguments like the whole chomsky vs. norvig "causal science is dead, correlation is sufficient" debate

i'm not asking for specifically these things but what i don't want is racist thread, genius wunderkid, speculative fiction

>>4458123
well i dunno, i havent read Asimov, but i asked what the LOTR of the Sci-Fi universe is

>>4458163
i mean for what it's worth the only sci fi book i like is the original dune so for me that would win de facto

>>4458163
Sci-fi is usually set in "the modern world, but different". Fantasy is usually set in brand new worlds, so it usually has more in-depth worldbuilding than sci-fi.

>>4458150
>actually and genuinely expecting this from 4chan
kek

>>4458171
i mean sometimes 4chan surprises you with its realtalk this was just not one of those cases

>>4458171
But it's still shit.

>>4458170
i see, then there isnt much chance of me finding a grand and vast universe such as LOTR in sci-fi literature, except maybe >>4458172 dune?

>>4458209
i went and asked my friend who has read most of the hugo/nebula award list and he said
>verner vinge -- a fire upon the deep
>larry niven -- a mote in god's eye
>anything by neil stephenson
i have heard both of these from a lot of people so make of that what you will. personally i think vinge's singularitarianism would drive me off the
>deep
end

>>4458250
thank you anon! :*

>>4458263
just promise me you won't understand fiction as reality and start reading lesswrong and harry potter and the methods of rationality or some shit ok otherwise i might never give this recommendation again

>>4458014
Do you mean what's the overrated dogshit of the Sci-Fi genre

>>4458270
>just promise me you won't understand fiction as reality and start reading lesswrong and harry potter and the methods of rationality or some shit ok

o-ok

As has been mentioned, it's clearly Dune. Some of Ursula Le Guin's stuff has fantasy elements though.

Now to the more important question. What is the Mass Effect of sci fi literature?

Dune?

I would say something like Book of the New Sun but it doesn't have the popularity of LOTR.

>>4458307

The other Dune.

Hyperion. Incredible opener followed by a lackluster sequel and then a horrible slap to the face.

>>4458362

woops, meant to reply to >>4458307

>>4458362
Confirmed for not having read The Hyperion Cantos.

>>4458372

Dan Simmons went crazy by the time he got to Endymion.

I'm writing it. It's like a combination of BrBa, It's Always Sunny, Scott Pilgrim, LotR, and Harry Potter.

I'm aiming for a college audience. The title's pretty generic, but coming along wonderfully. Takes place in a post-apocalyptic world, of course. The idea is to turn it into a trilogy.

>>4458375
I know that's what everyone on /lit/ says, but it actually isn't true.
Nice avoidance btw.

>>4458382
So your protagonist has cancer, is making jokes all the time and has a bunch of ex girlfriends after him, while trying to destroy a ring and battling with wands?

Sounds gay.

How about you describe it without terrible similes.

>>4458386
Naw, naw mate. The protagonist is a piece of shit combination of Jesse meets Charlie. And no can do boss~

You can be hatin' all you want, but by the time I'm through, I'll be making bank.

>>4458385

>its n-n-n-not t-true

nice denial btw

>>4458386
>>4458386
The general idea is to have the world invaded by space aliens, but in a tweest, they're humans from the future looking to enslave the world of the past to make it their own because they've jeopardized their own resources. There's also going to be modern day cryptids discovered along the way to add a bit of a mystery element in there. (Megaladon shark, bigfoot)

I think at it's heart, the best inspiration behind what I'm working on is a children's novel I was fascinated by growing up called The Monsters of Morley Manor.

By being inspired by 'It's Always Sunny' and 'Scott Pilgrim' what I intend to do is use some of the crude humor from It's Always Sunny and use a hipster love interest.

>>4458409
>b-but I've read the wikipedia page so I know!
Nice delusion btw.

>>4458434

>if you dont like it you havent read it

And I'm delusional?

>>4458382
There are always people like you on here, who say they're writing the next lit masterpiece and whatnot (even though with those references you make it sound like shit). Obviously it's not that they're actually writing something phenomenal but that they have a superiority complex and fail to see how bad they are

GL getting that published mate

>>4458409
I'm reading Simmons now, The Terror.

I think it's pretty good so far?

>>4458450

The Terror is pre-crazy.

>>4458453
Maybe I'm just grossly out of the loop in terms of what is going on in this thread but I thought someone said that Simmons went crazy around the time he wrote Endymion? That was in 1996.

The Terror is 2007. Again, I could be wrong as I'm new to Simmons, just confused.

>>4458462

Is it? Maybe I'm thinking of another book, he's still a fucking nutjob though.

Dune

>>4458446
Thanks, things will surely go swell. I know what I'm working on is pretty alright.

>>4458096
/lit/ is a stagnant cesspool of over-defensive faggots. The only way to browse it is to find the one or maybe two threads of interest, and then have a look at them maybe once a day until they die. Forget the rest of the board. It's the same shit day after day, month after month, year after year, plus the continuous decrease in quality that is global for 4chan.