/lit/ - Literature

Get a vape. Psychedelics shouldn't be your first drug experience or you will pop a gasket.

Yeah just smoke weed. Its not gonna hurt you so don't be a pussy. But if you take lsd or shrooms.... alone... you will freak the fuck out and ask your mom to take you to the hospital. Or maybe kill yourself to make the scary shit go away. Or maybe you will be fine. But I wouldn't risk doing LSD alone first time.

>>4566801

Forgot my actual advice. Drugs will not make you more creative than you are now, especially not psychedelics (you will trip too hard to write anything of worth) but probably not weed either (collecting your thoughts for prolonged periods can be difficult and you will probably be more interested in chilling out than actually writing anything). But they are a cool experience and breadth of experience is essential in a writer. If nothing else they will give you a little perspective on just how fragile human perception can be.

Also, you probably don't need to be told this but be careful tripping in the boonies without someone there to make sure you don't get lost and starve/get eaten by bears/fall down a crevasse/freak out about nothing and run amok.

> I live in a forest on a mountain
And you *haven't* done drugs? Get some weed ASAP and walk through that shit and enjoy the view.

Once you're comfortable with the altered consciousness of being high, then you can think about LSD or Shrooms, but I would really recommend weed first

>>4566798
weed in my opinion is hugely overrated for the creative process. It just makes me sleepy and lazy whenever I smoke it and makes me think about a bunch of pseudo-profound shit that in retrospect is fucking retarded.

Acid, on the other hand, is interesting. I've only done it once, and I had an incredibly bad trip. Certain things happened to make it spiral downward, but I have to admit, the power of your brain when you are tripping on LSD is amazing. It will make you experience space and time in a hugely profound way. I would recommend doing it at least once.

And shrooms is just fucking cool. If you really want to get into some hardcore hallucinogens, I'd go for DMT. Do some research on that shit. I haven't done it yet, but I'm going to make a point of doing it.

A few times tripping with some friends and doing cool stuff or hanging around outside talking might inspire you. "Drugs - The Lifetyle", doesn't inspire anyone unless they're writing about it like Thompson or something. Also don't believe anyone who tells you a drug is "harmless", you can't unthink thoughts and heroic or repeated doses can do things people never talk about to you that last.

inb4 shitstorm

>>4566810
>>4566801
I am apprehensive about LSD. But from the sound of it, a mild brew of shrooms in pleasant surroundings shouldn't make me freak out. Of course I'll do it with supervision the first time.

>>4566818
What you say about breadth of experience is spot on. That's the primary reason I want to try these things out. I was also curious about the potential for enhancing creativity (sort of an afterthought).

>>4566820
I have grown. Just never tried it, oddly enough. Everyone here grows. I was always put off by the mentality and culture of stoners in my youth.

>>4566827
>you can't unthink thoughts
Should be the first thing people get told when thinking of doing drugs.

>>4566826
>weed in my opinion is hugely overrated for the creative process. It just makes me sleepy and lazy whenever I smoke it and makes me think about a bunch of pseudo-profound shit that in retrospect is fucking retarded.

Fucking thank you. My friends always say how it makes them so creative and shit and always draw and everything. I like weed, but I can't make good art for shit when I'm high.

Shrooms were incredible. I can't even explain shrooms, I kept imagining all the words I knew were cups and my thoughts couldn't fit in them so I couldn't explain it. And the people around me were glowing different colors.

And I've considered trying acid, but I really don't want to get too far into drugs. I know it's not addictive and isn't supposed to be harmful, but I'm still a bit worried. What's it like?

>Is doing drugs a useful tool for creativity?
yes

there's a whole world of strange and wonderful ideas just hiding in plain sight, get yourself some lsd/shrooms/dmt and go on a journey. An artist who haven't witnessed full blown psychedelic visuals don't know shit about art

>>4566827
>heroic or repeated doses can do things people never talk about to you that last.

What do you mean by that?

Drugs are the best source of limit-experience, so yes. Also, check out Doors of Perception.

>>4566847
He is talking from experience about permanent brain damage as a result of doing too many drugs.

I actually wouldn't risk hallucinogens like LSD and salvia and mushrooms unless you're willing to gamble with HPPD or tinnitus or other unwanted long-lasting or even permanent side effects. I mention this because shit happened to me and I don't think it's worth it.

I can't speak for weed since every time I've taken cannabis I've had massive panic attacks but it's probably worth a shot. In my opinion the most underrated field of drugs are (the less flat out hallucinogenic) dissociatives. If anything was ever going to be creatively inspirational or helpful it would be DXM.

>>4566857
Sorry, what I should've asked was to be more specific about the kind of drugs and usage. Like if he's saying weed causes permanent brain damage I'd be a little worried, but obviously harder shit has the potential to.

>>4566847
Well I'm pretty irrationally scared of car wrecks now after a couple of trips on salvia and a lot of acid. Also if you do LSD regularly for years you will start to lose control of your emotions and might develop slight "tics" such as making clicking noises/say things to yourself about what you're trying to focus on/become very nervous. It's easy to control, but it changes people.

Of course most people don't ever reach this point, but for the kids who loooove acid or become immersed in "the life", this can and does happen.

>>4566798
Tripping is like dreaming while awake. It's useful if you want some imaginative scenarios to think up

>>4566872
Ah ok. I'd like to try acid, but have no intention of using anything like that regularly.

>>4566872
This.

I sold acid in high school and tripped every weekend for two years because I thought it was "cool." Never had a bad trip but I feel like it changed my thought patterns.

>>4566831
LSD is far superior to shrooms, in the right context.

I've done LSD ~10 times and shrooms about 25, and in every case shrooms FUCKS your emotions heavily, while LSD is more visual.

>>4566890
Yeah the time I tried shrooms I was really, really happy and felt like every thought was a revelation. It was crazy. I was surprised and a bit disappointed that I didn't see anything other than colors.

>>4566877
Then you have nothing to worry about. Most people who get to a state I'm describing were tripping young and going to events for people looking to do the same things.

You still want to start with small doses and never take large amounts of a "new batch", but a single heavy experience or four won't fry your brain. It's just like I said, no one really mentions this part of the scene because they don't like to admit and it takes years.

>>4566892
i've seen 3d fractals similar to:
http://www.wussu.com/fractals/images/wd950406.gif

which are mind-bending and very fun. Closed-eye, of course. Also trying to dream while tripping is probably the best way to enter a fun state. And weed helps, too

extremely high doses of shrooms are fucking rad, too. experiencing parts of your body dissolving away is intense

>>4566838
safety-/risk-wise acid is 100% interchangable with mushrooms really
if you did one of them you can do the other with exactly the same precautions

What do you people think about dextromethorphan capsules? Is the drug worth trying or shit-tier and best avoided?

I've heard talk about it causing Olney's lesions, which worries me. I'm not sure there's any real evidence of this, but if there's even a bit of uncertainty I'd rather err on the side of caution.

>>4566838
>>4566904
The problem is 99% of the "acid" you're buying from your local dealer isn't real acid. Real acid is fairly rare nowadays..

>>4566902
>Highest dose of mushrooms

Like DMT, peaceful, don't want to move. Entity contact.

>Highest dose of LSD
Wow I can only see in grey and spots this is like Riddick lol holy shit I feel like I'm heavy and moving.... i'm kind of dizzy I think I'm feeling Earth move oh my god did I completely bypass all of my brains filters on my senses holy shit im never gonna come down
>cries and laughs
I'm never gonna come down

>>4566907
yea that really is the problem
thats why you should ALWAYS get a testkit and hope to know someone who uses darknet merkets or sth

>>4566905
Avoid it, it's always capsuled with a high concentration of antihistamines which will DESTROY your liver if you take enough to get high

Though, if the people in this thread want to not try vagina-tier LSD or shrooms, do a benadryl trip.

>>4566905
it's the best drug of all time hands down

No, it's not.

Do what you want, but understand drugs aren't needed at all, just a little mindwork.

>>4566909
oh god im kek'ing hard about that LSD description

>>4566914
>high concentration of antihistamines
I'm pretty sure there are ones at my local USave that only contain DXM Hbr

>do a Benadryl trip.
I've done a benadryl trip in highschool. I had flashbacks for a long time

>>4566930
>>4566914
NOTE: This is not true. You can purchase product called zicam cough max which contains a high dose of DXM in about .5 ounces of fould tasting liquid. You can also buy large bottles of delsym cough which contain only extended release balls of DXM and the binder syrup.

DXM is kind of a shitty drug, but a couple of experiences aren't going to fry your brain, again. It's also pretty goddamn unique if you ask me.

>>4566838
Well my one trip was particularly bad because one hour into it I found out my friend from high school had passed away. After that it was a downward spiral--for the next 6 hours. So the risks with acid is that if you do have a bad trip you're in it for the long haul.

But, tripping is still really cool. Visually (which is only a small part of it) everything with lines and patterns kind of dance and sway before you--real friendly like. Mentally, acid blew my mind. What your brain does with time when you're tripping cannot be described to someone who hasn't tripped. Time becomes.... cyclical in a sense. It's hard to describe, but along with huge deja vu you become really uncertain what just happened, what happened 30 minutes ago, and what happened five minutes in the future. It's bizarre, but definitely worth experiencing. Acid has the potential to be awesome. When my friend played some fast contemporary piece on the piano, I closed my eyes and saw arteries exploding on a blue canvas. Imagination provoking? Oh yeah.

drugs don't make you more creative

that sense of "brilliance" you're feeling is just chemicals choking the oxygen out of your brain, depriving you of cognitive functions.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X5Izm1LQfw4

>>4566949
Sounds fucking awesome.

How do you know you're getting safe shit? You see the guys in this thread talking about how most of the acid you get nowadays isn't actually acid?

>>4566838
Acid feels like a jam-band sounds :^)

No I honestly think it's mostly indescribable, if you can get legit LSD-25 you should try it. Just don't let it steal your face.

>>4566959
>Every drug is huffing

0/10

>>4566964
Well, there's lots of chemicals that can be put on blotters that are pretty much "safe", but they aren't actually Lysergic Acid Diethlymide. Your best bet is to know someone who actually makes it, or live in an area where real acid goes around, like San Francisco.

Some people say ordering online works, which I have never done. I bought all my LSD in person.

>>4566959
How does it feel to be the wrongest person ever?

>>4567008
it probably feels euphoric

>>4566979
>>4567008
>I believe mushrooms raise IQ
>I believe heroin tells my brain to think about stuff in a different way than it usually does
>I believe marijuana smoke is infused with the soul of David Foster Wallace and imbues me with his literary prowess
>I believe Jesus died for muh sins

Get help, addicts.

>>4567033
worst troll/10

>>4567040
Yeah man, I'm a huge troll. The biggest troll who ever trolled.

Look at this person:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dy4rA_esYo0
You can clearly tell that the next Gravity's Rainbow is steeping around in her head. If only she could have written down the event horizon of creativity going on before the drugs wore off. Think of the epic poems that are forever lost every day because it's so difficult to remember them when sober.

>>4567000
Yeah I'm in Philly and heard it runs like $5 a tab. Sounds too cheap to me, but I wouldn't know. And I doubt the shit any of the dealers I know have is legit

>tfw too much of a slacker to even try drugs

>>4567049
You can buy certain RC's straight from China, and there's a process to soak them into blotters. Note that these RC's are usually fun and worth doing, but they're just not the same.

I just do mescaline now, because it's cheap and easy for me to get.

>>4567047
You will never be Quinten sorry

>>4567047
>tfw one time on salvia I looked INTO my skin, where I had become one of several thousands of elves whose job was to hold my skin up with long poles, like a tarp. I had an "up" job, which allowed me to have a nice apartment. An apartment so nice that it had a roof made out of millions of flying birds. The door to the apartment was yellow, and if I opened this door different amounts, I could make different tastes happen in my mouth

Yeah, it's not conducive to creativity at all

>>4567077
Drugs will never make you creative, sorry.

>>4566942

DXM isn't worth doing from cough syrup imo. If you don't read ingredients you WILL poison yourself to some extent, but even if it's just DXM the thought of slugging two bottles of cough syrup so you can maybe feel hopped up and janky for an evening doesn't appeal to me. If you can get it in a pill then maybe take that, but I just don't see the point, there are better drugs most people could be taking.

>>4567049

Most of what gets passed off as LSD is either a 2C-x (most of these are safe and a decent trip though I've heard some of them can make you puke) or a DO-x (these are not safe and you need to avoid them, though they will definitely trip you out). Basically, if you take a blotter and it tastes bitter (or like anything but paper), go to a fucking hospital and fess up.

>>4567106
>Basically, if you take a blotter and it tastes bitter (or like anything but paper), go to a fucking hospital and fess up.

They will do nothing for you except draw blood, make you lay down and maybe lecture you for a few hours. This is literally the worst thing you could do unless you are dying

>Oh no I might puke/trip for 24 hours
>Better go get poked with needles and hang out in the super fun hospital lel

Maybe its best to keep going straight if that's working for you. That's unique, nearly everyone drinks or take drugs or has.

The problem with the big ones like LSD and mushrooms is they can mess with your critical faculties, so you might think its great that in your story a giraffe gives birth to a car, but no one else will. Then again ,there's some artists who wouldn't be anywhere without drugs. HS Thompson, Will Self, DFW, Richard Lewis, and some that are prematurely dead too.

>>4567114
Pretty much this. Dealers aren't keen to sell you rat poison because guess what? Selling bad drugs and killing people gets you in loads of fucking trouble, and believe it or not, most dealers are human beings that don't want to hurt others

most RC's you will get are safe, but no promises

>>4566831
don't let stoner culture impact your decision whether or not to try weed. Stoner culture is to smoking weed like frat parties are to alcohol. Just because a sizeable amount of people utilize a drug in a certain way doesn't mean you have to. Same of course would apply to psycadelics. I don't think you will be able to write anything of value while on psycs, but if you reflect on your trip the next week you will be able to find something fruitful.

I honestly don't understand all the all these terrified proscriptions of starting with psychedelics. It's far from a guarantee that you'll "freak out," even if you're alone, assuming your normal demeanor isn't especially anxious or unpredictable.

If you must start with weed, go right ahead, but weed, although technically a "psychedelic" is an entirely different and not a very comparable experience to classical psychedelics. Depending on the sort of weed you get and your personal physiological reaction to it, you may get damn near imperceptible psychedelic effects or none at all. It may give you full blown anxiety attacks or a looming sense of dread that classical psychedelics can't even approach. I can honestly say with my dozen or so experiences with psychedelics/dissociatives that my most profound moments of panic came from weed. But as they say your mileage may vary.

>>4567126
*still came from weed, that is to say. Weed is not factored in the tally of psychedelic experiences

>>4567128
Yes, it is. Weed and the psy-trio are not that far in how they effect you, neurochemically. And with high enough weed highs you will "trip", so to say.

Can you stop posting here guys, I'm getting major flashbacks of being abused by aliens.

>>4567126
I'm just putting out the info man. You can find hundreds of sites saying it's 100% safe and awesome and should be legal. No one wants to say "yeah, acid made me a moody dick and sometimes I talk to myself!", but it's "common" for people who assume it's "harmless" and treat it as such.

>>4567128
Oh and may I say that all these people that are trepidatious regarding acid who have also dropped shrooms before are topping my lels; it really is a testament to the effectiveness of a media saturated by drug propaganda

>>4567136
Haha, as I said your mileage may vary but for my money—and from what I've seen in others— getting stoned (and I've been quite stoned, buddy) doesn't compare at all to a bona-fide classical psych trip.

They are (obviously) similar but being really high is closer to being drunk than tripping as far as I'm concerned

>>4567142
I didn't say that it shouldn't be treated with respected or taken flippantly, that could be a disaster, but as long as you do your research and if you're skittish get a trip sitter and some benzos (although I'd say that is an ABSOLUTE last resort and that 99% of the time it's best to ride it out and learn what you can from it) it really isn't the roll-of-the-dice that it's oft made out to be.

>>4567153
Well, yeah, I've done loads of psychs too

>>4567159
>That could be a disaster

It's the long term, not the the short term. If you never go to a 2-3 day music festival with some buddies and meet a bunch of people and trip seeing all those good bands, you have missed one of the best experiences one can go through on this Earth. Just, don't go on tour and do that all summer, or take those drugs when you go see those same bands at bars or wherever. That's all.

>>4567167
What about being under the influence of something while reading?

>>4567354
It's important to read medieval texts on demonology while high on acid. That way you receive the fear-boner with which to conquer the succubi.

Hallucinogens rarely make me want to write about my experience, or thoughts I've had during the duration of the high. They do tend to change my personality, opinions, and general weltanschaaung in pretty powerful, long-lasting ways, though, and that can be helpful for some in terms of creativity. Though I wouldn't bank on it or anything like that.

Marijuana's effects are highly individualized, so I'd very strongly recommend overcoming your distaste for inhaling smoke and giving it a shot, at least. Depending on the sort of weed I'm smoking, I'm allowed access to a lot of memories and parts of my mind that typically take a lot of work for me to reach while sober. I also can come up with humorous things with great ease, and have synesthetic experiences when listening to music, watching movies, looking at paintings, even eating food and shit like that. I think it's an extremely helpful drug for doing creative work. I did pretty much all my writing assignments in high school, creative and analytical, while high, and received consistently high grades on them (which I think speaks to their coherence, if nothing else). Just don't develop a habit, since it can infringe on other parts of your life. Considering your attitude towards the substance, though, I doubt there's much risk of that. Give it a shot, I think it'll help.

>ctrl+f 'Ayahuasca'
>no results

/lit/... at least try...

They certainly helped Huxley

>>4567484
>new age bullshit

I'd rather not bathe in my own feces for a week-- do some fucking DMT in a monastery if you want a spiritual experience.

I am a world class writer.

You are free to disbelieve me.

The only two psychoactive substances I recommend ever ingesting are caffeine and opium, and both in highly limited doses.

Caffeine should be employed while working, opium while recovering from having worked. Again, thrift is the key. No more than 80mg of caffeine in one day, and no more than 7.5 mg liquid opium. Keep consumption of opium limited to a maximum of three times a month.

The reason you should shun all other drugs (and even forego the above mentioned as much as possible) is because they distort your feedback system as a writer. In essence, when you are under the impingement of strong psychoactive substances, your ability to correctly judge the quality of what you are writing decreases significantly, whether you are slightly buzzed or fully impaired. If you are anything like me, then when you write a good line, a burst of good feeling occurs. When you write a bad line, a feeling of unease and irritation should occur. Being impaired distorts this feedback, so that you can end up essentially writing pages of rubbish yet not recognise it as such until later on, when you've sobered up and are able to judge with clarity again.

Hallucinogens are worthless in my opinion. Wandering while severely sleep deprived produces more usable material than an afternoon shaking off the effects of mushrooms or LSD.

If you just want to see pretty colors, buy a fucking kaleidoscope.

>>4567527
Hey Chuck. Your last two books sucked.

D.R.U.G = DEVIL RULES UNDER GROUND - PLEASE STAY AWAY FROM DRUGS

QUOTE THIS POST NUMBER IN YOUR POST TO SPREAD AWARENESS

>>4567527
>highly limited doses

Ok world class writer

>>4567532

My name is not Chuck, you blithering homosexual.

an urban malady picks apart at the rotten carcass of dress and pot slower but up to a certain whistle as the liquid forms finally boil over without a flame

>>4567545
>blithering homosexual
Yeah, real world class there pal.

>>4567550
a tacit fear of trembling frost erasing the wall that hides away in the subtle thorn garden pesters and corrupts the impermanence of desire leaving behind a stubborn concise conclusion begging the question for a freedom that makes sense...

>>4567527
>opium
Are you trying to romanticize heroin and make it seem like you're Victorian, or do you do technical opium? cuz there ain't a whole lot of difference

>>4567527
>7.5 mg liquid opium. Keep consumption of opium limited to a maximum of three times a month.
I don't understand anything about the world of opium, or how to use it responsibly. What effect does it have? What benefits?

>>4567554
your chance to create a new reality belittles the tried and blue dogma of sordid perceptions, as if its newfound novelty was not enough to feed your aching sweet tooth. at last the pain and hunger of a bored ribeye soul stretches its will as another prepares its fruitless meal, a slow cooked stew of pasty dumpling drops which have acquired a savory taste due to a careful recipe passed down from mother to daughter, a homely blend of pride and loneliness

>>4567560
save for a samp plot pash tick shot clock a countdown lost
bash lumps kitsche bumps stacked as to make the minor man give in to rectified madness, which isn't as many would have you believe, so far from the truth. although many will go down without a fight, the war has already begun as our fathers having spilt blood for their stock would lead us to believe that the lives of the privileged hold enormous importance

>>4567559
It's basically like heroin but marginally less strong. It's traditionally smoked and heroin is traditionally in injected, but when you smoker heroin it's not much different from opium, and when you inject opium it feels like heroin.

>>4567567
if the devil is a roach with a sensual purr
what is a saint but a loud buzzing pest that lunges in fearlessly for its meal well deserved
clip its wings and remove its hope of meeting the sun and it will drain merciful vengeance upon the stronger soles that tread lightly
as a moth clings to the flame
man clings to a waning wish of self empowering submission
tare mesh net - fair blessing off and on a zero single digit part, praying on a nude altar, stepping stones set in place to gather at the bank where warm soap and grime swirl down the latrine

>>4567556

There's a world of difference between pharmaceutical grade Morphine and heroin bought from your local hoodlum dealer.

Not that you would know the difference, because you're a moronic shitposter for whom the labor of reading a Wikipedia article is probably too great a demand.

>>4567574
ps im a world class writer druggie

>>4567587

Right because getting buzzed twice a month by myself is clearly indicative of a severe addiction.

If your brain were a child the government would have taken it away by now.

>>4567599
hmm?

>>4567636
ignore the paranoid stoner ramblings. muh right to get high muh gubment conspiracy

i'm an addict and i know exactly why i do it. to experience the most profound depths of depravity as a form of worship for my lord and father lucifer.

>>4567644
whos who fuck i need ids

>>4567582
>you're a moronic shitposter for whom the labor of reading a Wikipedia article is probably too great a demand.
i.e.; i read a wikipedia article so i could roleplay this character on /lit/

OP not sure if they make you more creative but certainly some drugs make it easier to have the juices flowing.

From personal experience I'd say it's not a free lunch though, sometimes when smoking weed I feel like I'm flooded with a weeks worth of ideas in quick succession, but then for the next few days I'm a little creatively dulled.

Everything costs you but in the right doses most things are probs worth it. Just don't get into the mindset that you can't be creative or write without them.

>>4566847
http://www.sickchirpse.com/40000-ecstasy-tablets/

>>4567722
Wow that's fucking incredible. I wish I could have showed that article to a fried a few years ago. Stupid junkie faggot.

>>4567559
Feels like any other opiates, euphoria, depression, introversion, certain feeling of smooth clarity.

Daily reminder that psychedelics can cause psychotic breaks. I still hear voices and have to be vigilant for delusional thought patterns when I'm sleep deprived (especially the feel I can control other people's reactions telepathically)

Drugs are a crutch, just like alcohol or anything else you can think of. The fact of the matter is, you could write something right now you think is great, get really fucking sick tomorrow and write again. Guess what? You won't be able to tell which was written when a month or even a week from now.

Write, believe in yourself, and stop relying on crutches, especially dangerous ones.

>>4567126
Weed is not a psychedelic. The THC is a psychoactive component, which means it just enhances brain functions. If you're feeling happy and smoke weed, you'll feel super happy. If you're depressed and smoke weed, you'll feel super depressed. If you are a creative person with a lot of imagination, smoking weed will make every thought a roller coaster of images and what-ifs.

But if you need drugs to be productive in your art, it's not really art, IMHO.

>>4567141
>2013+1
>Drug propaganda
Yeah, I really hate the corporate media system trying to make me consume drugs. A billboard with a huge fucking fractal calling me stupid for not trying LSD, an ad talking about how weed improves lives and all those tobacco advertisement they just make me wanna puke while sober

>>4567554
>>4567550
>>4567560
>>4567567
>>4567574
What is punctuation.

You guys should stop writing while under/about the influence. A druggie is all you will be, if it takes the center spot of your work, either as fuel or as a theme.

>>4566798

Can be a very usefull tool for creativity, and for altered perception. Depending on a substance though, is not so good, because it takes freedom away from you.

Over time, however, you won't need drugs to enter altered states. As this jedi >>4567773 states.

>>4566798
The most important thing is that different drugs do different things to different people.
Some will argue that weed makes them creative while the rest only watch tv and eat chips. For some it's opiates/opioids while some prefer amphetamines.