[ 3 / biz / cgl / ck / diy / fa / ic / jp / lit / sci / vr / vt ] [ index / top / reports ] [ become a patron ] [ status ]
2023-11: Warosu is now out of extended maintenance.

/lit/ - Literature


View post   

File: 39 KB, 300x278, 1400564233237.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google]
5065366 No.5065366 [Reply] [Original]

/lit/, I want to learn world history. Its been years since Ive studied history. Suggestions for texts or ways to go about studying it?

Ideally I'd like one book that gives a solid view, though I am aware that it will come with its own prejudice.

>> No.5065375

>>5065366
you want all of world history in one book?

>> No.5065377

>>5065375
yes please

if there's a kindle edition, even better,

>> No.5065382

>>5065366
Guns Germs and Steel.

>> No.5065389

A high school or college textbook, I guess. You can't really learn world history more than superficially, in one volume.

>> No.5065390

>>5065382
Eh, that's more prehistory.

>> No.5065393

>>5065366
History of the Ancient World by Susan Bauer.

It's an outline, at best, but a really useful one at that. Easy, fun reading. She follows it up with two more volumes which are equally global.

>> No.5065396

>>5065382
I swear there must be something out there better than diamond. I don't know about his credentials as an academic but his writing really grates with me

>> No.5065419

>>5065396
I don't think you'll find any writer of world history in one volume who's fun to read, because they have to go over it so fast--unless you go for a comic book or humorous world history.

>> No.5065436
File: 71 KB, 1280x720, 1383892692606.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google]
5065436

>>5065375
Yes, I understand it will be shallow.

>>5065382
Already read it, thanks though

>>5065389
I wish I still had my AP texts

>>5065393
Thanks

>> No.5065484
File: 58 KB, 900x789, 1386754230717.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google]
5065484

While I have your attention, what about a book on grammar?

>> No.5065515

>>5065484
Sin and Syntax is a'ight

>> No.5065560

>>5065377
here are some books i read for my college world history class op:
robert marks- origins of the modern world
http://www.amazon.com/The-Origins-Modern-World-Ecological/dp/0742517535
Immanuel Wallerstein- World Systems analysis
http://www.amazon.com/World-Systems-Analysis-Introduction-Immanuel-Wallerstein/dp/0822334429/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1403885035&sr=1-1&keywords=world+systems+analysis
Thomas Bender- A Nation Among Nations: America's Place in World History
http://www.amazon.com/Nation-Among-Nations-Americas-History/dp/0809072351/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1403885097&sr=1-1&keywords=a+nation+among+nations+america%27s+place+in+world+history

The first two deal with roughly the last millenia of world history, but they are really short and available on kindle.
The third is on kindle, but a bit longer. It puts american history in a world historical context. A bit dense though

>> No.5065561 [DELETED] 
File: 831 KB, 1625x2092, masterchan.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google]
5065561

A minute of your attention anons

Masterchan is coming back in less than 1 hour, and will LITERALLY change how the internet works.

Help spread this image if you are an old masterchanfag, or just willing to see a shitstorm happen. RIP 4chan

Fun is coming to the internet once more

masterchan even had a /hist/ board some anon made

>> No.5065562
File: 358 KB, 320x180, 1387947100803.gif [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google]
5065562

>>5065515
Thanks, do you have a recommendation thats more standard to go along with it? The grammar book that any English professor at a uni would advise a high school kid or freshman to take up?

>> No.5065570
File: 160 KB, 800x450, 1383892001618.gif [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google]
5065570

>>5065560
Thanks, much appreciated

>> No.5065590

>>5065570
Me again, I strongly recommend Marks to start out with. He writes very clearly and his approach to world history is straightforward and insightful.

Also, make sure that you alway read a historians' introduction carefully. They usually outline their approach and how that approach differs from historians of the past. Its especially useful for the relatively new field of World History.

>> No.5065608

>>5065561
It's a virus site, report and hide.

>> No.5066550

>>5065562
Elements of Style

That was the book I was thinking of

>> No.5066736
File: 416 KB, 443x503, 1385026765752.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google]
5066736

>>5066550
But now that im looking at reviews it seems to be outdated

Seriously /lit/ help me out here. What books should I read to get a mastery of English grammar?

>> No.5067076
File: 45 KB, 296x320, 1383893043200.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google]
5067076

>>5066736
Help me out here /lit/

>> No.5067340

>>5065366
>Ideally I'd like one book that gives a solid view, though I am aware that it will come with its own prejudice.
As we post in every thread the book you want does not exist.

>> No.5067733

>>5067340
This is not true, many people have attempted to write such a history. A lot of the attempted however, were from popular writers of the early 20th century, so some of their views and historical frameworks are outdated.
For example,
H.G. Wells- A Short History of the World
Oswald Spengler- Decline of the West
Henrik Willem van Loon- The Story of Mankind
Sigmund Freud- Civilization and its Discontents (lol)
William Mcneill- The Rise of the West: A History of the Human Community (a very legit history that is more acclaimed than any of the aforementioned works)

also, some works deal with world historicy over a smaller range of history or geographical range such as,
Fernand Braudel- The Mediterranean
Giovanni Arrighi- The Lond Twentieth Century
And others I'm too lazy to type right now

>> No.5067746

>>5067076
One of the best ways to better understand the grammar of your native tongue is to learn another language.

>> No.5067830

>>5067076
>implying I'm going to help a weeaboo

>> No.5068691

>>5067733
History means a work written by a historian using historiography.

As we post in every thread, such a book as requested does not exist.

>> No.5068875

>>5068691
Mcneill was a historian from University of Chicago though. Rise of the West spans from Mesopotamia (c. 3000 b.c.) to the 20th century.

Also, Mcneill wrote Rise of the West in response to a British historian, Arnold Toynbee. Toynbee had written a 12 volume work called the Study of History (1961), which studied all the major civilizations on the historical record. (Mcneill's work is a lot shorter though, clocking at 860 pp.)

>> No.5068915

>>5068875

>>5065419
and to feminister, World History, as you state, has the disadvantage of having to cover a lot of time and space in a few pages. On the other hand, its its very scale yields analyses that cannot be discovered when analyzing a nation or a region.

Also, an ambitious world history can be fun to read. Mcneill's book won the U.S. National Book Award in History and Biography in 1964[1] and it was named one of the 100 Best Nonfiction Books of the 20th century by the Modern Library.[2] (wikipedia)

I also found that Robert Marks, who I mentioned early on in this thread, was readable too. Give them a try!

>> No.5071192

>>5068875
>>5068915
>Toynbee
Nope.

So front up, what's Mcneill's theoretical conclusion regarding long duration changes?

>> No.5071756

>>5071192
I know Toynbee isn't relevant anymore, just wanted to point out that more than one historian has attempted a complete history of the world.

>Mcneill's theoretical conclusion regarding long duration changes.
I haven't read it myself, why do you think I copied from wikipedia?
I'm not trying to trick OP, I just think that the book is exactly what he's looking for because it covers "all of history" and is by all accounts a well written book.

>> No.5072001

>>5065366
I can't believe no one suggested Tragedy and hope by Carroll Quigley
If you want to read more there are a series of volumes by William and Mary Durant