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>>5571809
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It's just a series for kids. There's nothing complex or interesting about it. It's not bad, it's just aimed for a low age group.

they're all the same.The character gets some secret hidden message from a faggy god and then he gets his half god hipster friends who get in a bunch of small 10 page fights and then met a god or two then get to the big battle and obviously win.

What do you mean by "objectively"?

>>5572853
things you could point out that aren't "I hate urban fantasy just because" etc

>>5572861
So you don't mean objectively? You mean after critical evaluation, the definite means of determining if something is of quality or not.

The subjective/objective dichotomy is unhelpful.

Of course there's not reason the series is "objectively" terrible, and looking for an "objective" reason is childish. It's still a piece of shit book though. But "I hate urban fantasy just because" is only ridiculously small part of all the non-objective statements that are possible to be made about this book.

>>5572897
can you elaborate? what all is wrong with it?

>>5573769
Not read the book in the OP but generally what makes a fantasy series bad:

- Cliche/tropes regarding the genre (races, an ancient evil returns, hero is the chosen one)
- Mismatching dialogue and world - modern phrases and thought in a world that is quite obviously technologically behind us
- Main character plot armour

This will be an unpopular opinion because /lit/ generally hates it but avoiding most of these flaws is why ASOIAF is good

>>5573799

But ASOIAF's main characters have massive plot armour. GRRMartin just uses tropes slightly less obtusely than your average fantasy schlock.

>>5573829
Oh yeah, I did say most. Jon Snow/Dany/Tyrion all have massive plot armour, and *spoiler alert* you can just tell Jon has warged into Ghost and isn't dead. Sam has some too. However, outside of these three/four, major characters do generally die often to be fair.

He, is however, completely guilty of an ancient evil awakens.

>>5573860

worse than that, jon is actually azor ahai all along, and is just going to reborn or some such relating to either Mel's magic, or Dany thats my bet, anyways. Jamie also has bretty stronk armour too. Everyone else is probably eligible for slaughter, since he does have a reputation at this point.

>>5573932
Don't you just love the part where Melisandre talks about searching in the flame for Azor Ahai but all she sees is Snow capitalized and all

>>5573960

That was PRECIOUS. The hilarious bit is that people still act as thought there is some mystery and doubt about him. It ought to be completely obvious for everyone by now.

>>5571809
>What objectively makes this series terrible?
Milking the series by making 4 more books after the Lost Hero.
Making Nico a bumboy who wants his boipussy filled by Percy
>involing Eros
>at all
Not focusing as much on percy
When they do focus on Percy its some cringe worthy shipping in Tartarus
>not killing off Piper in the first book
>trying to tie up all the plot holes by having Leo saving calypso and getting some 500+ year old pussy
>trying to make a cliffhanger by having Festus not being about to reboot because "it lives" now Leo can't find Calypso

I know you are a Shill OP, I know the book was released recently and no, if I have my way I will not read it if I run out of interesting things to read(happened before), I might put my self through the torture of slogging through that shit fest..

The last book had me cringing less than halfway through and I didn't even reach "Nico's big surprise" yet. The last book left cut and paste. nothing really melded seamlessly with anything else. Either Rick dropped his editor or he doesn't give a fuck anymore.

Either way, even though I enjoyed his Mythology series, I will not touch the Norse books. He has gone too PC for my liking.

>>5574308
>Making Nico a bumboy who wants his boipussy filled by Percy
Isn't this crap fest targeted towards children?
Why would you put gay secx in a kids book?

>>5575026
for gay children probably

>>5575043
>gay
>children
Being gay is a choice that people don't make until they're old enough to care about attention seeking

>>5575043
> gay children
God fuckingdamn you. (Literally.)

>>5575100
why me? it's not invention of mine, some people even write fairy tales not only for gay but for gender confused children, i saw such a book once somewhere

>>5575110
It was le pun.

>>5572816
This. Childrens/YA novels are good for kids under 16. They usually don't have enough to stimulate an adult reader's mind because they are written to be simple.

>>5571809
If anything "objectively" makes the series terrible, it's the last book. Up to that point, I was really enjoying it.

I read Percy Jackson books to see Percy Jackson do awesome things. I don't read Percy Jackson books to see Percy get knocked around.

>>5571809
>believes in an objective reality

>>5574308
>When they do focus on Percy its some cringe worthy shipping in Tartarus
How can you call Percabeth cringeworthy? They've had a relationship set up since book 1. It was always cute seeing them together.


>>trying to tie up all the plot holes by having Leo saving calypso and getting some 500+ year old pussy
You shut your filthy whore mouth. Leo got the best waifu in the series.

>The last book had me cringing less than halfway through and I didn't even reach "Nico's big surprise" yet
Other than the gay thing, House of Hades was great. Blood of Olympus is terrible.

>>5573799
>- Main character plot armour
I hate plot armor when the villains have plot armor, but isn't it expected that the main character will survive whatever predicament he's placed in? This isn't some modern Hollywood indocrination, anon; humanity has been enjoying plucky heroes conquer impossible odds since fiction first began. We want to read uplifting stories, because life is so cruel and unforgiving.

>>5575512
it was enjoyable watching them before they got together then it became so boring. Would have rather had Percy with Reyna.

Leo is an annoying character and should be killed with frank, hazel, piper, jason, anabeth. Percy, Reyna, and Coach Hedge are the only good characters.

>>5575525
>humanity has been enjoying plucky heroes conquer impossible odds since fiction first began
No, not really. Old fiction (I'm talking about Homer-and-earlier old) don't have plucky heroes and winners.

The obsession with not being a 'loser' is a purely American neurosis, invented somewhere in the 20th century.

>>5575574
not that i necessarily agree with the broader claim but if that idea really is an american neurosis it certainly originated in the 19th c

>>5575574
>No, not really. Old fiction (I'm talking about Homer-and-earlier old) don't have plucky heroes and winners.
Odysseus?

He goes to war and spends 20 years getting back to his waifu. When he arrives home, she's been waiting for him all this time.

Perseus?

He slew the sea monster and married the princess, living happily ever after.

>>5575588
The rest of Greek mythology is not as nice

>Herakles kills his wife and children in a fit of frenzy

>Oedipus fucked his mom and killed his dad
>Blinds himself so that he does not see their gazes from the underworld

>>5575499
He did nothing the whole book, except get smacked around.

And wow that build-up of letting go came and went so fast I reread the last chapter to make sure I didn't miss anything.

>>5575597
That´s tragedy. It´s not the same as epic. Epic is pretty much old children´s fantasy with some mythos here and there.

>>5575567
>Reyna
She's kind of boring. I mean, she's supposed to be a hot Puerto Rican girl, so that helps when you're imagining her. But beyond that, she's just the no nonsense type.

I'll admit she can actually fight and is generally less worthless than Annabeth.

>Coach Hedge
He's Phil from Disney's Hercules. He's literally Danny DeVito.

>disliking Leo
How is that possible, exactly? He's hilarious. He's the eternal loser, never in the spotlight, who's lived a hard life, getting one bad deal after another. He hides it through fast-tongue wit and stays one step ahead of his opponents through resourceful planning.

If you want to compare ASOIAF to Percy Jackson, getting to Percy and Leo chapters is like getting to Tyrion chapters (preADWD), while getting to Jason and Piper chapters is like getting to Dany chapters.

>>5575600
The person said old fiction, not specifically epics.

Besides in the Iliad Patroclus is killed then Achilles is killed.

With Odysseus what about his crew who some are killed by cyclops. Or turned into swine.

>>5575598
The Percy Jackson author doesn't know how to write finales that fit thematically with the story. Compare that to J.K. Rowling.

>Harry Potter finale
>Harry walks knowingly into death
>By doing so, he conquers death and shows himself diametrically opposite to Voldemort

>Percy Jackson and the Olympians finale
>Percy's fatal flaw is that he's too loyal - that he would doom the world to save a friend.
>Climax of the book is that Percy has to choose whether or not to trust his old enemy by handing him a weapon.

See, it doesn't work. A good author plans things out and makes sure that the plot and the themes match up.

>>5575613
For Leo I think its mostly the fandom that has destroyed him. Everyone thinks he is so amazing and builds him up to be something great when in the books he is a little more than average in tragedy to the rest of the characters and just as witty as the rest he just seems different. Also the fan art makes all the characters look attractive. When in reality they wouldn't be.

Also why no actual Greek people in the book I find it hard to believe that there would be no Greek people. Being Greek I assumed that the books would have one character but no. Also if you study actual Greek weapons you would understand how terrible his sword would be and how unhistorical it is. Also that the shields they would use would be terrible for dueling combat.

>>5575616
>With Odysseus what about his crew who some are killed by cyclops. Or turned into swine.
Who the fuck cares about side characters? Side characters die all the time in Hollywood action flicks.

Side characters exist solely to help the protagonist.

>>5575630
Yes okay but then Achilles and Patroclus and Hector are all killed

>>5575629
If we're talking narration, then, yeah, the narration to everyone's chapters has a flippant, witty tone. But once Leo opens his mouth, you can tell him apart from every other character in the series.

>And all the kids shared a sad kind of seriousness. Their shoulders slumped like life had beaten them down pretty hard. Several looked like they’d been physically beaten up, too. Leo counted two arm slings, one pair of crutches, an eye patch, six Ace bandages, and about seven thousand Band-Aids. >“Well, all right!” Leo said. “I hear this is the party cabin!”

>He snatched up a half-melted goblet. “Who puts a dining table on the beach where innocent demigods can crash into it? Who does that?”

>Narcissus turned and scowled at Leo. “ Who are you?” “I’m the Super-sized McShizzle, man!” Leo said. “I’m Leo Valdez, bad boy supreme. And the ladies love a bad boy.”

That's Leo. His writing is miles apart from the other characters.

>>5575649
Or compared to Percy as a character who says witty things. They both say witty things Percy usually says dumb things as well though. Honestly this last book was a bit of a letdown.

>>5575633
Dumbledore, Snape and Remus with almost half of the cast are all killed too in the final book of Harry Potter. Dying doesn´t make tragedy, it´s all about the choices and illed fate.

>>5575655
Yeah, it was pretty disappointing. The only highlights were Leo making his ultimate sacrifice and Nico straight up murdering someone.

>>5575656
Not Hermonioe or Harry or Ron. They never die the three main characters do not unlike the Iliad

In the original post it was the idea that the stories of ancient times had main characters that would die and not survive throughout everything, while today it is pretty much the opposite. If you know your ancient Greek mythology you know this is true. Not all characters get a happy ending. Today though it is pretty hard to find large book series that has the central or major characters die.

>>5575661
I wanted Percy to die that would be ironic since he was named after a hero who had a happy ending.

>>5575668
Well, the percentage of happy stories to grim stories has probably gone up as the centuries have gone by, but even the Greeks still enjoyed their plot armor heroes who won against all odds.

Greek Mythology on the whole is more like a modern day soap opera. It keeps going and going and going that they have to invent more bullshit to happen.

>And then Hercules slays the monster.
>Then Hera tries to kill him, but he survives.
>Then he slays the monster again.
>Then he gets married.
>Then he has kids.
>Then another monster shows up, but you know what? Hercules slays it.
>Then the gods cast Confusion on him and he kills his wife and kids.
>So then, Hercules has to go slay another monster.

>>5575682
They win but ultimately end up with terrible lives and memories, but yes they do have a lot of bullshit they go through.

>>5575671
I wanted Percy to have to do something dramatic. The whole finale should have been like the Bridge Officer's Test they have Deanna Troi in Star Trek: The Next Generation.

>ship is going down
>engine failure imminent
>everyone on board will die
>only way to stop it is for someone to crawl into the heart of the engine and fix it from the inside
>suicide mission
>commanding officer has to make the call to send a person to his death, otherwise they all die

Something like that would have made thematic sense for Percy's fatal flaw.

>>5575688
Very true or had all of the group die, the camps going to war, having the Greeks win through being cunning, and at the very end having a huge field of burial shrouds being burned. That would have been something really unexpected.

>>5575629
>Also the fan art makes all the characters look attractive. When in reality they wouldn't be.
I don't have a problem with making characters attractive, in general. Nobody wants to hear stories about ugly people.

But if we're talking about the Percy Jackson series, it bothered me that the author went out of his way to transform Frank from a slightly pudgy, panda looking character, to some tall, super buff male model.

>>5575026
It's the purest love, anon.

>>5575026
Just be grateful that he didn't put in a make-out session with Nico and his love interest. As it is, it's kept ambiguous. But I still can't read Will Solace's lines without imagining him with a sassy lisp.

>>5571809
>objectively
youkeepusingthatword.jpg

Seriously, even if you believe in knowable objective truths, whether it not a book is 'terrible' is not going to be one of them.

>>5571809

It was a good YA series until the most recent book.