/lit/ - Literature

Lost in Translation
The Master
Way of the Gun
Apocalypse Now
The Birds or Rear Window

>>5633271

> Pulp Fiction (Tarantino)
> Annie Hall (Allen)
> Terms of Endearment (Brooks)
> A Serious Man (Coen Bros)
> Pi (Aronofsky)

I don't watch many movies so I don't have favs, but I'll tell you what I watched recently
>Lolita (Kubrick)
>Reservoir Doge
>Mar Adentro
>Good, Bad, Ugly
>Fistful of Dollar

>>5633271
Thone of Blood/Ran/High and Low
Mirror
Apocalypse Now
Paths of Glory
Harakiri

Ordet
Au hasard Balthazar
Distant Voices, Still Lives
Werckmeister Harmonies
The Master

>>5633271
>>5633271
Babe
Akira
The Good, the Bad and the Ugly
Die Hard
Die Hard 2

>>5633288
>>>reddit

Late Spring (Ozu, 1949)
Andrei Rublev (Tarkovsky, 1966)
Au Hasard Balthazar (Bresson, 1966)
Cries and Whispers (Bergman, 1972)
Sans Soleil (Marker, 1982)

The Brass Teapot
The Thing
Fear and Loathing in Las Vegas
Slacker
Funny Games/The Strangers tied for home invasion spoopiness

>>5633316
Akira is pretty good and Die Hard 1 is too actually.

>>5633318
What are you talkin aboot

Stalker
Last Year at Marienbad
Fanny and Alexander
The Good, the Bad and the Ugly
Chinatown

>>5633281
I haven't seen any of those besides the Master, but the Master is so fucking funny and good - good job!

Brazil
Gay Niggers From Outer Space
Attack of the Killer Tomatoes
Repo Man
Citizen Kane

>>5633349
I still don't get what people see in Last Year at Marienbad.

>>5633349
>Stalker

One of my favs too, just didn't put it in my top 5 I listed...

>Last Year at Mariendbad

I like Resnais a lot, Hiroshima has a very special place for me, but after watching Marienbad 3 or 4 times, it's just too robotic for me. No feeling. It feels like an exercise and I really hate it. Can you tell me what you love about it? I'd like to revisit it and maybe see it in a different way.

>Fanny and Alexander

I hated this film the first time I saw it because it seemed so soft and cliche compared to other Bergman films but now I love it. It's my Christmas film, I watch the 5 hour version every christmas eve. Ever seen the 3 hour version? I haven't

>>5633353
Gay Niggers from Outer Space is hilarious. Watch Cannibal Holocaust for a movie that is so bad it's good but unintentionally.

Princess Mononoke
Empire Strikes Back
Conan the Barbarian (1982)
Seven Samurai
Whisper of the Heart

>>5633352
I always find it hard to list movies, but Kubrick's Clockwork Orange and Full Metal Jacket are two I always go back to just because I'm in awe of them and they hit me with the full brunt of existence every time---and that's not to say they're my favourite movies either; those would probably be Seven Psychopaths, the Guard, and Harry Potter :D (Oh, and the Chronicles of Riddick :D)

>>5633339
I could sound retarded, but I think that Babe is better than the other 4

>That'll do pig, that'll do

Terrible taste

>>5633361
Who watches the 5 hour cut with you on Christmas Eve?

>>5633372
Don't be a coward. Post your 5 fav movies.

>>5633370
I honestly haven't seen babe.

>>5633372
movies are boring

Slacker

Viridiana
The Red Shoes
Paths Of Glory
Man with a Movie Camera
The Night of the Hunter

it changes every day though

>>5633373
>Who watches the 5 hour cut with you

I watch it alone OK? The past 4 years I sit alone in the dark, watching the movie, wishing my family celebrated Christmas like that. I'm not even joking. It hurts a little to see such a happy family during Christmas and knowing I never felt something like that

Adaptation
Gattaca
The Dark Knight
Shoot Em Up
Fight Club

>>5633387
Mah nigga. I was told to watch Gummo and Buffalo '66 if I liked Salcker, I downloaded them but I haven't gotten to them yet. Ever seen 'em?

>>5633349
Chinatown was OK, I don't see why people love it so much

- Barry Lyndon
- 120 days of Sodom
- Le Caire, nid d'espion
- The cremator
(Only 4, I don't watch a lot)

>>5633389
>Viridiana
ok
>The Red Shoes
good
>Paths Of Glory
good
>Man with a Movie Camera
fucking trash
>The Night of the Hunter
extremely overrated, albeit with some nice shots

The Face of Another
Once Upon a Time in Anatolia
Memories of Murder
Dead Man
The Man Who Sleeps

>>5633393
I'm sorry anon. I thought you might have a qt3.14 gf that was interested in art house soap operas. Don't worry, we're all alone.

Stalker
Pi
Drive
Reservoir Dogs
Der Untergang

>>5633361
Seconding that Marienbad doesn't stand more than one or two repetitions. Dream based logic needs to be a bit more tight to sustain itself and the actors didn't seem too sure of what they were doing. Granted that it has to do with the pre nouvelle vague heavy structured studio acting that Resnais knew, but the fact that it could had been much better makes it tough to re watch.

>>5633408
I tried getting a few family members to watch it with me in two parts but they freaked out when I said "5 hours"

I refuse to show them the 3 hour cut

>>5633398
We've found the masochist of the thread.

>>5633411
Pi was so funny. Neurotic jews abound and METH TO THE DOME every like ten minutes. I could not take it seriously at all.

>>5633412
and his films after that, Muriel and The War is Over are much much better and very underrated. Marienbad looks a bit gimmicky compared to those films, which have amazing performances and are less pretentious. Muriel is even just as challenging in its editing and structure while still keeping a human element.

>>5633414
Not that I like the 3 hour cut but why not just show them the first episode?

>>5633271
Dr Strangelove
Ikiru
A Brighter Summer's Day
In The Mood For Love
Once Upon A Time In The West

The Seven Samurai
The Good, the Bad and the ugly
Two Lane Blacktop
Mulholland Drive
8 1/2

Honourable mention to Love Exposure for being my favourite from the last ten years.

>>5633401
The Night of the Hunter is like a fable, it's not supposed to be realistic. I love it because it's aesthetically impeccable.
Man with a Movie Camera makes me want to live, and it's a technical miracle.

>>5633323
2/5. Don't try so hard.

>>5633427
>Mulholland Drive
For the bit where the one chick fingerbangs the other chick? Otherwise I really don't get it.

>>5633422
Because they'd give up and not care I think, I usually have to force them to watch things. Like the time I forced my mother to go see Andrei Rublev in a theater with me, at the intermission she looked so fucking pissed at me but by the end she said she actually really liked it a lot.

It's like, a ritual every christmas, so if theyre going to fuck it up Id rather not waste my time and just watch it myself

>>5633396
Yes, they're both pretty good. Gummo is the more Slacker-like of the two, but it's still pretty separate and doing it's own thing. Where Slacker's cast are kind of middle class misfits, Gummo's are lower class degenerates with nothing interesting to say and more than a few mental problems. It has darker subject matter but also more realist Altman-esque dialogue instead of Slacker's very endearing, scripted, speeches.

>>5633397
Beautiful cinematography, superb acting and a pretty unique take on the noir genre, right down to the framing of shots and transitions. It simultaneously manages to be an homage and an effectively modern (relative to the period) interpretation.

There is good reason why it is an important film.

>>5633357
>>5633361
That it's your Christmas film is awesome, I may have to steal that tradition. Seems like an awfully proper time to watch it. I originally watched the 3 hour version and only watched the full miniseries after loving the cinematic release so much.

I can see why people don't particularly care for Last Year at Marienbad, but I love it due to both the INCREDIBLE lyricism of the narrator (I first watched the movie after studying french for a while and it only made me want to study it more; while I think English makes for beautiful sentences and literature, spoken French done properly is stunning) and due to whole unreliable narrator in the plot thing. I am personally a fan of the style as well but I could see that as the main complaint people have with it; it's certainly a more stylistic movie than anything else.

>>5633421
Muriel is the only Resnais movie that I've seen. It is extremely abrasive (all dose cuts), but I want to return to it.

>>5633432
>Don't try so hard.

But those are actually my favorite films. I'm not making a joke or "trying" to do anything...

>>5633433
I've seen it around ten times and I still come up with new ideas each time I watch it. It rewards rewatching. Read Film Critic Hulk's analysis of it. Its the best thing he's ever done and the best analysis of the film too.

>>5633401
other candidates could be
-The Apartment
-Harakiri
-A Man Escaped
-Bicyle Thieves
-Citizen Kane
what do you think about those?

>>5633361

>Halloween Films
Evil Dead Trilogy + Halloween

>Thanksgiving Film
Robocop

>Christmas Films
Die Hard

Lady In The Dunes
Inland Empire
Spring Breakers
Happiness
The Shining

>>5633439
>I can see why people don't particularly care for Last Year at Marienbad, but I love it due to both the INCREDIBLE lyricism of the narrator

You should see Sans Soleil if you haven't, there are both English and French narrations (both written by the director himself) and both are beautifully spoken and basically make the film what it is.

>>5633441
Check out his first feature, Hiroshima, Mon Amour. A bit melodramatic but very accessible and the editing and score are beautiful

>>5633389
This is an honest list of someone who's seen more than a handful of movies (and he's actually thought about them).

Re Night of the Hunter: I just listened to a Suspense episode starring Charles Laughton and it creeped me out. It was based on a John Collier story, "Wet Saturday," and in spite of what happens in the end, the story reminded me that "justice" is never a given.

>>5633437
I can give it 8/10 max

>>5633444
I love Tarkovsky but even I fell asleep the first time I tried to watch Andrei Rublev and Cries and Whispers is just mind numbingly depressing.

>>5633427
>8 1/2

Based.

What do you think of Roma, and Fellini in general?

>>5633408
I want to hear more about these art house soap operas.

>>5633454
>Spring Breakers
memetastic

>>5633452
>The Apartment
ok
>Harakiri
good
>A Man Escaped
great
>Bicycle thieves
good
>citizen kane
ok

I will accept that Citizen Kane was an incredibly important film, but I have just never been able to like it. I also hate Orson Welles and his adaptation of Kafka's Trial was ruined by his stupid egotism.

>>5633458
8/10 is good though.

Why didn't you like it?

>>5633271
Freaks
American Beauty
The Silence Of the lambs
A Clockwork Orange
Donnie Darko

>>5633460
>but even I fell asleep the first time I tried to watch Andrei Rublev

I really loved it the first time I saw it and I thought I'd fall asleep too. I actually prefer the longest cut which apparently is NOT the director's final cut. I'm just used to it. I also love Stalker and Nostalghia.

Cries and Whispers I love BECAUSE it's so emotionally taxing. The dream sequence where they visit their sister is truly a terrifying thing, it physically affected me when I first saw it. The ending is also perfect.

>>5633444
:( I know I'm not being nice. I'm just an anti-snob snob.

>>5633466

>not riding the postmodern high school musical train

Get with it.

>>5633468
The Trial is cartoon fun!

Citizen Kane gets better when you accept it as vaudevillian meta-moviemaking.

>>5633469
I did like it
But it didn't "touch" me like other films have

>>5633475
>I'm just an anti-snob snob.

They're just the films that have affected me the most over the past decade. I'd be lying if I said anything else. I think Late Spring is a perfect film.

>>5633393
>Fanny and Alexander
>happy

What the fuck are you watching?

>>5633484
>What the fuck are you watching?

Did you not see the first episode or something? The entire Christmas sequence in the beginning is over an hour long and its all happy festivities. It's the happiest part of the film or ANY Bergman film by miles.

And even taking the rest into account- it's by far Bergman's most cheerful, loving film. By all accounts it ends "happily".

>>5633474
Here's mine

Thone of Blood/
Mirror
Apocalypse Now
Paths of Glory
Harakiri

Stalker is also really good and I appreciate what he was doing in Rublev but his pacing is sometimes a huge obstacle.

Bergman is fantastic and Cries and Whispers is definitely emotionally taxing which is largely why I don't consider it a favorite.

>film discussion is by far the most popular thread on the literature board

- Withnail and I
- Kind Hearts and Coronets
- The House of Terror (Sherlock Holmes)
- Drive
- The Thing

>>5633468
I found Citizen Kane perfect in every aspect, it lacks nothing

>>5633495
Never seen any of them. One question: are they in English?

>>5633503
Apocalypse Now and Paths of Glory are.

>>5633468
What's your top 5 or 10, out of curiosity?

>>5633497
Every other thread is a shitpost thread and we have discussed the circle of ~20 authors so much we know everything there is to say by heart

>>5633482
What do you mean by 'touch'? Did you not find the ending powerful? The atmosphere haunting? The way the plot slowly uncoils like a tightly wound spring?

You haven't necessarily said you didn't like it, but you're certainly implying something was missing. I was just curious.

>>5633509
I can't really explain it, it's that "something" that differentiates a good or very good move from a great movie.

>>5633461
I have Roma to watch in the next couple of weeks, but based on what I've seen of his work he's one of the finest filmmakers of all time. I wish I knew more about the social context he filmed in because I feel like it would enhance my enjoyment more. His films are so fluid though. Pacing is always consistent (La Dolce Vita is never dull for a second) and every frame is so meticulously arranged.

He also introduced me to Claudia Cardinals who is the most beautiful woman that has ever lived.

>>5633497
Are you an interloper from another board? Or simply shitposting? It's been pretty much established modus operandi that we discuss a variety of subjects and mediums on /lit/, not exclusively literature, as it's probably the only board without collective cognitive dissonance, and not populated solely by 14 year olds.

>>5633525
By Cardinals I mean Cardinale of course.

The Godfather, part I
The Good, the Bad and the Ugly
Broken Flowers
The Royal Tenenbaums
Happiness

>>5633523
Well, it'd be nice if you can somehow be critical and point to facets in the actual film. Otherwise I'm just going on your numerical abstraction of 'at most an 8/10'.

What do you think is a great film, that has things Chinatown doesn't?

>>5633507
oh Im glad, I'm actually a filmmaker and know way more about film than lit (which still isn't much compared to many others). It's refreshing, because a thread like this on /tv/ would be way more embarrassing

So while I am here, let me recommend some films I saw for the first time this year that I really enjoyed:

Birdsong (Serra 2008)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ruudd9X-izU

Like Someone in Love (Kiarostami 2012)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PWIuOq74Wak

The Naked Island (Shindo 1960)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h06cOKgqSbE

Woman in the Dunes (Teshigahara 1964)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qaLl4Y2BAT0

Oslo August 31 (Joachim Trier 2011)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0QpTqYoEzto

Dunno about my favourties, i can never really narrow it down, no matter the medium.

I just watched Inside Llewyn Davis though, which was pretty good.

>>5633427
I don't know, but I think love exposure kinda falls apart after the first 3 hours. I was blown away ay first, but then it became like too stupid for me too care. The characters become lifeless after some point, and the last part of the movie just seem like Sion Sono masturbating

>>5633544
I'd have to watch it again to tell you something concrete. But as I said before, some films have "touched", "impacted" me more than others, it may be irrational, I don't know. I don't think that one can really explain why he loves something and just likes some other thing.

>>5633552
>know more about film than lit

Fite me IRL faget

I assume you've seen Mark Cousins' documentary The Story Of Film. If not, get on it.

>>5633552
>a thread like this on /tv/ would be way more embarrassing
/lit/ is the only board where I've seen people embracing challenging stuff and respecting classics.

>>5633559
I do feel that the ending was the weakest part but as a whole I think it's a masterpiece. The last great moment of the film was that recital of the bible passage. I was absolutely stunned by that part.

Network
A Serious Man
Dr. Strangelove
Boogie Nights
This is Spinal Tap

>>5633568
>Fite me IRL faget

I followed it up with "which still isn't much compared to many others"

I don't pretend to be a "film buff". I try to focus on a handful of directors and films I like and have much to learn

I don't know shit about film, but here are my top five

>Chinatown
>Godfather pt 1
>Casablanca
>Manchurian Candidate
>Citizen Kane

considering I have zero prior knowledge of film whatsoever how pleb am i

>>5633573
Yeah, /tv/ is so hung up on the pleb/patrician dichotomy but seems to think that hating "pleb" films makes you a patrician and as soon as you discuss patrician cinema it's dismissed as pretentious hipster trash.

>>5633587
Not pleb. They're "obvious" and safe classics but that's not a bad thing.

>>5633583
I know, I was just pulling your pisser. That documentary is essential viewing for any aspiring filmmaker. If you don't have fifteen hours to watch a documentary there is a book too.

>>5633581
Oh, fuck. How did I forget Network. I'm dropping Harakiri from mine and replacing it with Network

Harakiri
Vertigo
Lawrence of Arabia
Eyes Wide Shut
Mulholland Drive

rate me faggots

>>5633525
>I wish I knew more about the social context he filmed in because I feel like it would enhance my enjoyment more.

Watch more neorealist cinema, is one recommendation I can give (although Fellini starts to move away from neorealism if you're watching sequentially). Read history on Italian fascism, post-war consensus.

Visit Rome and other parts of Italy itself. Although it's difficult to avoid the throngs of tourists, gypsy children attempting to steal your wallet, and shitty establishments that cater to said tourist crowd, if you're willing to explore the suburbs and less explored parts, you'll get an inkling of Fellini's inspo.

>>5633408
>art house soap operas
THIS REMINDS ME

Anyone here /sion sono/? What about Love Exposure? Loved that shit, it made me feel ridiculously unconfortable, same with Noriko's Dinner Table. I saw Lad of Hope, about nuclear fear, and even if I did like how it started with a clear message and abandoned in a sort of not moralizing way I felt it was really lacking in any value.

>>5633617
I'm referring to Rome in the latter paragraph, fyi.

>>5633615
8.5/10, pretty entry-level psuedo-cinephile stuff but they're all great movies either way so

>>5633617
I do have a few neoreolist films in my backlog. I'd love to visit Italy soon (I'm learning it now) but I've heard some real horror stories about tourism there.

Come and See
Once Upon a Time in the West
Once Upon a Time in America
Dog Day Afternoon
Head

Woman in the Dunes
Suspiria
The Seventh Continent
Scenes From a Marriage
Barry Lyndon

>>5633559
>>5633577
I'm sorry, I hadn't see your posts before.

I think that the pass from comedy to drama makes the characters relatable in a way that pure dramas can't really achieve. The way the cinematography adapts to the tone is quite interesting too, it looks like multiple movies tied together if you check parts but while you're watching it the change is pretty natural.
The very final act sort of ties back to the prisoner 701 homage from the beginning since that kind of hyperviolent sacrifice ending was part of the course with female action drama of the 70's and the mixture of violence and calm reminded me a lot to Noriko's Dinner Table and its last chapter. I feel he lost a bit of his touch after Cold Fish although I tried watching that movie with my then gf without quite knowing what to expect and she got so freaked out that she couldn't keep watching.
His later stuff is pretty underwhelming.

>>5633397
It's so cynical it sorta gets to you

>>5633604
is that the one with the irish narrator that ran on Sundance or something? Ive seen bits of it and I already knew a lot of the stuff he was talking about but if I get around to it I will watch the whole thing

I honestly have a backlog of stuff I downloaded from Karagarga I need to get to first though, Ive barely been watching anything these past few months.

>>5633626
What nationality are you? And it's great that you're learning it, as the key to getting the best out of Italy is knowing the language and cultural inhibitions. That's true of many places of course, but in particular for Italy which has such an engrained regional and national culture.

And it depends where you go considering the horror stories (south is worse than north/central regions), but urban centres always carry some risk regardless of where you are. Having said that, it's just about being vigilant; you can spend weeks in Napoli, have a great time, and witness absolutely nothing bad happen.

>>5633483
I like Ozu, too.

>>5633430
>>5633457

Seconding NotH's cinematography. It's probably the peak of that era if sacrificing the acting in favor of the lights. Nothing against Almendros, and even he mentions how beautiful that era's photography was.

>>5633455
>marker love
He's such a great director, editor and general recorder of the world. In three different films he used the same chilean revolt material and kept changing the meaning and message. He's the living example of the difference between someone capturing random elements of life in an artistic way and your general faggot with a camera.

>>5633497
>thinks /lit/ stands for literature
>Doesn't know this is the e/lit/ism board.

>>5633495
>Apocalypse Now
>you will never have a comfy but horrifying and surreal adventure up the Nung river with your military buddies

>>5633681
feels superbad man

>>5633665
That's the one, yeah.

Some people don't like his voice but maybe because I'm English and have Irish relatives I'm more used to the accent.

It goes from the Lumière's first films and goes through how the "rules" were written for things like framing, editing and so on and how they were broken and developed. It will increase your backlog permanently though. I have more Iranian cinema to watch than I thought possible.

Be warned though that he does spoil the fuck out of some films so it might be worth checking the wikipedia page and seeing what he talks about to avoid spoilers.

>>5633271
i don't really have favorite movies. I think movies are more or less passé. I like Homeland, Sopranos, Generation Kill, Black Mirror, Breaking Bad.

>>5633462
>I want to hear more about these art house soap operas.

PATRICIAN COMING THROUGH

The Holy Mountain (or anything by Jodorowsky really)
Mulholland Drive
Dreams (Kurosawa)
Enter the Void
Jacob's Ladder

>>5633690
>I think movies are more or less passé
But TV is good

>>5633552
I was in a screaning of El Cant Dels Ocells and felt asleep, festivals are actually kind of shitty to see really slow stuff. Serra and another director answered some questions after it, the other guy said, about pirating, that he's just happy that people are looking for his movies and getting them. Serra said "well, my mom cared for me and all, so I don't care what people think of my stuff or if they watch it or not. I do like getting payed." He has a sort of rock star attitude that clashes a lot with his work, sort of funny to hear him talk.

>>5633681
I don't know. I have a Vietnamese friend with a boat.

>>5633680
>He's such a great director, editor and general recorder of the world.

Marker is one of my biggest inspirations for filmmaking and being alive. Some of his works he made just with him and a camera and nothing else, and when someone tells me you can't do that, I think of him. He really was a genius and I have loved watching his lesser known works over the past couple of years. His short films about animals are perfect and I love The Last Bolshevik and A Day in the Life of Andrei Arsenovich (it actually made me cry) but Sans Soleil will always be his top work for me, by far, and definitely my desert island film, as I can easily watch it over and over and never get sick of it. The way it's structured, it's like hearing a message from a friend or something. I wish more people knew about and liked him.

>>5633670
Thanks. I'm English.

Are you Italian? I might go next year, maybe spend two weeks out there. If you ate Italian is there anywhere you'd recommend that is tourist friendly but not going to be more tourists than locals? I hate going to Spain because it's full of Bronze Brits.

>>5633699
>PATRICIAN COMING THROUGH
>The Holy Mountain (or anything by Jodorowsky really)
>Mulholland Drive

Patrician you say?

>>5633617
>if youre watching sequentially
I feel that with any director that has a personal style it's important to try and watch in production order to see where he was going.
Even smaller fish like Jarmusch become more interesting when you can analyze how he was changing his style and what signs of it appeared in his previous work

>>5633712
love this film it reminded me of rings of saturn by sebald

>>5633271
Taxi Driver
Submarine
Hot Fuzz
Gummo
One Flew Over The Cuckoo's Nest

>>5633706
its a bit boring, which I liked, though I think the middle section with Mary and Joseph was actually pretentious and unnecessary compared to the rest of the film. His other work is on Karagarga so I think I'll give it a go. I saw Birdsong on mubi.

>>5633681
That's the first pepe I saved.

>>5633690
Don't you get the feeling that all of those examples are quite generic among themselves? even more with the variety of stuff in this thread.

>>5633457
I haven't seen that many movies, I'm just going through the classics at the moment
I appreciate the kind words though

>>5633723
>not liking based Jodo
>not understanding Mullholland dr.
thinking that Lynch is a hack is outdated. This film is amazing.

>>5633699
>patrician
>Anything by Jodorowsky really
>Lynch's most mainstream
>Kurosawa's less hard hitting
>Gimmick movie inferior to other work's by the same author
>Generic psych drama that came twenty years to late to the topic
Those are decent movies, but pretty bellow average in terms of film history, HS material.

>>5633763
Are you suggesting that Mulholland Drive is more mainstream than The Elephant Man? Really?

>>5633758
>>not liking based Jodo

His films are tacky. That's the most accurate word I can use for The Holy Mountain and El Topo. Tacky and outdated mystical bullshit that is more obsessed with silly, smarmy jokes and visual tackiness than any kind of deeper meaning or moments.

And was Mullholland Drive the movie where Lynch had to give "clues" to his fans to figure out what all the symbols and secret meanings were? Give me a break. Go watch The Silence by Bergman to see a shorter, more interesting version of that movie.

fuck you, /lit/. now that i'm finally dedicating time to reading every day you make me want to watch all this demanding and profound shit. well, no, fuck you, I'm gonna go read a book and you can't force me to download every marker short film.

>>5633778
>not being equally into literature and film

i shiggy diggy

>>5633770
I actually had forgotten about Elephant Man, and Dune. I feel those are movies made by Lynch but they aren't Lynch movies. He just really wanted the paycheck.
Straight Story, on the other hand, is quite interesting.

>>5633778
>I'm gonna go read a book and you can't force me to download every marker short film.

Unless you're part of a private tracker you'll probably have a hard time doing that anyway

>>5633763
Why the dislike for Jodorowsky, though?

Why is "mainstream" supposed to be an indicator of anything? What would you say is his best movie?
>inb4 Rabbits
>>Kurosawa's less hard hitting
What would you recommend?
>>Generic psych drama
Again, what would you recommend?

>pretty below average in terms of film history
What's your list?
I'm not against arguing but at least provide some content
>>5633770
Oh, I forgot about the Elephant Man. I'd put in in the list too.

>>5633778
I'm the opposite. Film has always been my main interest but lately I've really got in to reading and this board has made my backlog of about eighty Blu Ray slow to a halt.

I gave up video games this year to increase my reading but it jasmt really worked like I hoped.

>>5633796
>jasmt

Fuck sake.

>mfw this is better than 95% of cinema threads in /tv/

>>5633751
>Don't you get the feeling that all of those examples are quite generic among themselves?
You meant 'each other', right? A little bit, yes. There are several reasons why I don't have a list of favorite films. I never got into highbrow for some reason (probably because I'm not 'film literate' in that sense). The recent rise of 'well done' series certainly has to do with it. My attention span has suffered a lot from the internet, to be honest. I often feel that I'd like it if feature length movies were cut down to an hour. The vast majority of films would work fine in one hour, I think.

>>5633783
Dune broke him. He refused to allow anybody but himself have final cut on his films. They feature a lot of his traits but in terms of narrative they're definitely not like his others. Straight Story is such a lovely film. Comfy as hell.

>>5633803
Man I like this thread and stuff but y'all are acting as if that's difficult

Who /greenaway/ here? Watched Zed And Two Naughs recently and really liked how amusingly morbid it was.

>>5633813
Same regarding the attention span. I have to put my phone in the other room when watching anything as it is so easy to just check something.

Stroszek
Stalker
Wild Strawberries
2001: A Space Odyssey
Once Upon a Time in the West

Really want to watch Stalker but my purist side wants a blu ray release to be my first viewing. It may never come.

>>5633774
Why should visual tackiness be considered as detrimental to that kind of movie, though?
Also, outdated? What's your frame of reference?
>silly, smarmy jokes
El Topo, arguably. The Holy Mountain, nah. It's more provocative than silly. I didn't perceive anything like that at least. What are you thinking about specifically?
Also, have you seen La danza de la realidad?
>any kind of deeper meanings or moments
The Holy Mountan relies heavily on (crude) symbolism though

I didn't see The Silence, will watch

>>5633790
>Jodorowsky dislike
It's not a matter of dislike, he's just like a in your face Fellini. It feels like too much shock for too little message, I haven't met too many people who had seen three movies by him and out of the few they keep confusing scenes from one and another.

>Lynch
I was just pulling your leg. Like with any great filmmaker each work is part of a greater evolution and gets more meaning in context. He doesn't really have any best or even better work among his personal stuff, it all talks about that time in his life and artistic production.

>Kurosawa
He got his place in history with hard human drama like The Quiet Duel and his more generic jidaigeki like Rashomon. Going to him for stylized open stuff is like buying chilly flavored ice cream.
Still, it's a great movie, I was aminly joking with you.

>Jacob's ladder
Even Apocalypsis now deals with the genre better, I'm not sure if you want psychological drama (in which case early Polansky should be your go to) or symbolic surreality (in which case Fellini does it better)

>my list
I don't rank things that aren't rankable, I just discuss in this threads with people ;^)

Unforgiven
Vertigo
Apocalypto
Solaris
The Master/The Sea Inside

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-gwUtEEjZJ8

>>5633844
>I was just JoKiNg :^))) ;DDDD Xd
>rashomon
>generic jidaigeki
>this level of super shitposting
It's like you learned from /jp/

Give a list you stupid faggot

>>5633826
I really wanted to get into him, I remember my parents constantly talking about him in that late 90's period in he was really hot shit. I have The Pillow Book waiting for almost 5 years in a copied DVD and The cook, etc for more or less the same time in a shittty 4:3 rip.

>>5633827
when I watch something on my laptop I often pause, watch some shit on youtube, post on 4chan, write something down, play the guitar for 90 seconds, etc. This 'hurts' an episode less than it would a movie, maybe. Movies I 'like' are American Beauty, City of God, Withnail and I, The Fall, Ghost in the Shell. But 'like' in vastly different ways. I can 'appreciate' some films and 'enjoy' others. Neither of these necessarily means that I think the films are 'good', though.

Just for comparison, I don't read Joyce, either. I like Borges, McCarthy, love/hate DFW.

>>5633844
>I come to /lit/ even though I can't spell or form coherent thoughts

stick to /tv/ and /a/ pleb boy

>>5633862
>getting this mad

His jidaigeki wasn't that impressive, even direct chambara like Sword of the Beast and Sword of Doom could compete with Seven Samurais.
Rashomon was better than the short story, only got the oscar as a means to foster relationships between the countries.

I don't make lists, silly.

>>5633862
faggot detected

>>5633842
I saw it in theaters and the print wasn't way better or anything. The Russico or whatever the Russian company's DVD is way better than the shitty Kino one

>>5633843
>Why should visual tackiness be considered as detrimental to that kind of movie, though?

Since when is tacky a good thing? I don't believe in "bad" and "Tacky" films to somehow mean "good". It's gaudy, like eating an entire bag of Sour Patch kids but with your eyes. Just disgusting to me.

>outdated
It reeks of 60s and 70s psychedelic crap.

>The Holy Mountain, nah. It's more provocative than silly

Come on, the lizards dressed up? The guy turning his shit into gold? The weapons being made to fight the "Peruvian Monster"? There were tons of examples of the tongue in cheek humor.


>The Holy Mountan relies heavily on (crude) symbolism though

And I am not a fan of symbolism, even from other directors I like. I cringe if something is obviously a visual symbol.

>>5633886
>Called on your faggy bullshit
>LOL UR LE MAD XPPP
>I don't do lists silly bois ;^)))

I don't know anything about film but you sure are one cancerous faggot who needs to die in ten fires

>>5633886
>His jidaigeki wasn't that impressive, even direct chambara like Sword of the Beast and Sword of Doom could compete with Seven Samurais.

This is actually correct, somehow Kurosawa became known for his jidaigeki and I don't understand why- his police procedurals were MILES ahead of his samurai films.

But I do like Rashomon, Yojimbo and Throne of Blood. But I just think Mizoguchi and even the chambara films you mentioned do the same things but better.

>>5633890
What is this meme? Is it some attempt to get people to stop saying "faggot" all the time? I just don't get it and I never have. If that's what it is it certainly has failed and outlived its usefullness. If it's just a compulsion then all these posts do is indicate someone out there really has autism. Depressing.

Inb4 faggot detected

La Maman et La Putain (Eustache)
Breathless (Godard)
Madrid, 1987 (Trueba)
Young and Beautiful (Ozon)
Persona (Bergman)

Rec. some good European and Asian films please

>>5633918
>What is this meme?
huhwhat

1). Pulp Fiction.
2). Chinatown
3). The Godfather
4) Way of the Gun
5) Rushmore

>>5633333

stan getz everybody

>>5633918
detected

Not in any particular order:

2001: A Space Odyssey
Persona
Happiness
Lawrence of Arabia
American Beauty

>>5633902
I try to express myself, when that becomes something bad I'll be happy to leave.

>>5633910
>This is actually correct
>Implying I'm erve wrgon!

Actually I wasn't really thinking about Throne of Blood and his more modern take on the genre. He did turn the tables with that stuff and it should be positioned as his best jidaigeki work. Not to shit on his other stuff, he just wasn't such a big name with that, still great movies. I prefer the movie over the short story with Rashomon.

>>5633921
>Breathless (Godard)
What did you think of Pierrot le Fou, the sort of remake he did?
have you seen Godrad's short films?
A couple of weeks ago we had a discussion with a guy who really defended him as if he had been a decent director or political thinker and, while I kept thinking his stuff was pretty poor and "he was being ironic" is a lie, I realized I hadn't seen a lot of the stuff he did after becoming a teen idol but before he convinced himself that he was a world icon.

>>5633733

Watching Submarine tomorrow because of you, thanks

>>5633978
Submarine is cute as fuck.
Constant voice over is one of those things that some times works so good that you think it's a respectable resource and then realize it's not.

>>5633713
No, I'm English myself, I've just lived in Italy for periods of my life, and I'm fucking bourgeois and own a house in the Apennines. My Dad used to work in Rome, and Fellini is his favourite director, so he doesn't stop talking about him obviously.

If we're referring to Rome, I haven't been in some time, and although I've been in and around it, I'm not as familiar with it as other cities in terms of names. Besides, all the restaurants I ate at were chosen by my Dad typically (being young and stupid I lacked the foresight to take mental note of these things).

Do a little research is my advice, some good named restaurants about, but the best food in Italy is nearly always found in unassuming trattorias on street corners *away* from the more obvious sites, often with no name (literally just called "trattoria" usually), and no set menu, in true Italian style. So be prepared to explore. Tbh, there is no real middle ground between tourist and local - either you find a mediocre place to be besotted by tourists, or you go native and find some of the greatest food known to man.

>>5633844
Can't argue with what you said about Jodorowsky although I love him for those reasons too.

>He doesn't really have any best or even better work
Well, Eraserhead wasn't that good imo.

I'm definitely not an expert concerning Kurosawa and I was simply struck by Dreams.

There are better movies than Jacob's Ladder for psychological drama, that's for sure. I don't like Polanski. Not sure about Fellini, haven't watched enough of his films to form an educated opinion.

>>5633895
>Since when is tacky a good thing
The word in itself is pejorative. It's a matter of taste, I just think that Jodo's "gaudiness" is what makes him appealing.
>60s and 70s psychedelic crap
Not everything which incorporates lots of colors, nudity and symbolic transformation is to be called psychedelic
I think The Holy Mountain does the initiatory journey thing much better than what you'd generally call psychedelic crap.

>The guy turning his shit into gold
Is it silly as much as it's provocative? The obvious alchemical reference could've been done in a thousand other ways than defecating into a jar, yeah. Does it make it useless?
>the lizards
You're right. There are lots of other similar examples you could use, the Holy Mountain has loads of them. At this point it's mostly just what you called visual tackiness for the sake of it, I agree. The armless miget wasn't necessary either for example. I don't think, though, that you can extrapolate by calling the Holy Mountain "tongue in cheek humor" because it obviously wasn't intended as such. It's not involuntary humor either, just a part of the film

>I cringe if something is obviously a visual symbol
Why? Because it makes interpretation much easier?

Completely unrelated, but is Salo worth watching?

The most patrician film I've seen is Tetsuo: The Iron Man. Please give me something that is more patrician than that.

>>5634029
Thanks very much. My general rule of thumb with restaurants is "go where the tourists aren't".

I will have a good read in the next month or so and try and get a week or two booked for next year.

>>5634045
Tsukamoto is probably my favourite contemporary director. Bullet Ballet is stunning.

>>5634045
Why is Tetsuo patrician in your opinion?

>>5633964
I've been meaning to watch Pierrot le Fou for a while, but I haven't gotten around to watching it yet. As for Godard's short films, I haven't seen much of his films other than his early stuff (vivre sa vie, masculin feminin, a woman is a woman, la chinoise, petit soldat, un femme marie, etc). I tried watching film socialism or whatever, and I didn't like it. I think some of his films are fun to watch, and there some some good scenes here and there, but after watching his films multiple times they seem really empty, especially the characters.

>>5634031
>Eraserhead wasnt that good imo.
When you take in consideration that he had recently become a father it becomes a hell of a psychoanalysis session.
Also, it was his first film with a year between each half because he run out of money. There are many things to notice about how he translated his sculpture and painting background to film and the aspects of the medium he devoted to.
In symbolism terms it may be a bit more heavy handed and straight than his later work, but for a learning process it's pretty great.

>On Jacob's Ladder
I just was pretty underwhelmed when I saw it. People paint it as an absolute classic and, while interesting, I feel most of the praise came from the 90's being pretty empty of that kind of stuff. If it had been done in the early 80's or before people wouldn't had noticed at all.

I'm glad you weren't the guy getting buttmad. That kind of people is quite boring.

>>5634056
There's a drill cock.

>>5633978
I hope you like it

>>5634056
Not that guy but it's as close to expressionist cinema as there's ever been. He had a vision and you know that he got every last thought he had on to film.

>>5634031
>Eraserhead wasnt that good imo.
When you take in consideration that he had recently become a father it becomes a hell of a psychoanalysis session.
Also, it was his first film with a year between each half because he run out of money. There are many things to notice about how he translated his sculpture and painting background to film and the aspects of the medium he devoted to.
In symbolism terms it may be a bit more heavy handed and straight than his later work, but for a learning process it's pretty great.

>On Jacob's Ladder
I just was pretty underwhelmed when I saw it. People paint it as an absolute classic and, while interesting, I feel most of the praise came from the 90's being pretty empty of that kind of stuff. If it had been done in the early 80's or before people wouldn't had noticed at all.

I'm glad you weren't the guy getting buttmad. That kind of people is quite boring to have around.


>Because it makes interpretation much easier?
There is this weir boner people get with obscurity that is quite weird. I don't quite like hoe unrestrained Jodorowsky is because it ends up taking away from his point, but the fact that he is quite clear with his intentions shouldn't be a detriment.
I also liked Synechdoque New York, for a more modern example, which was quite evident and even discussed itself. Obscuring your meaning isn't inherently better than dealing with it.

-The Wizard of Oz: because Judy Garland singing Somewhere Over the Rainbow is just perfect and makes me cry.

-The Road: The very last scene with the boy and his dad on the beach saying goodbye makes me sob. I saw this film around the time my brother committed suicide.

-Synecdoche, New York: It just nails it and its portrayal of life resonates deeply with me. I love Charlie Kaufmann.

-Jaws: My favorite childhood film. Every once in awhile I still have dreams of panicking and trying to swim away from that giant shark.

-Inland Empire: I only saw it once--that's all I could honestly handle. It's stayed with me for years. It can be written off as pretentious bullshit but for me it was like a 3 hour bad trip/nightmare. Sometimes at work as I sit and get bored and my hands shake a little bit because I've had too much caffeine and the clock is ticking away I feel a sickness and dread in the pit of my stomach that also excites me in some weird way. IE magnified that feeling x10 when I saw it. This feeling that something bad is going to happen and the tension is unbearable and when it finally happens it's so powerful you experience depersonalization and transform into a machine that does nothing but fear and explode in sensory stimulation. I wish I could describe this better.

In no particular order
>The Thing
>Gattaca
>Blade Runner
>Terminator 2
>Star Trek 2
I've ceased caring about my shit taste in movies long ago.

>>5634100
IE is just watching someboy's nightmare unfold for three hours. It really is a fantastic film. It's almost like music in the sense that ten people could watch it ten times and come away with something different each time.

Lynch understand the importance of sound design when it comes to horror.

>>5634057
My idea is that Godard has three distinct eras:
>first era
He tried to make movies that commented the medium itself, this is an absurdely hard task and he sort of made his audience question some of the topics he wanted to deal with. He was pretty direct with his maoism and shit. It ends up feeling juvenile in a "i want to be mature sooo bad" way.
Lang in Contempt makes me want to like it but I'm closer to feeling that Lang had lost his touch.
>second era
His short films around the world and more active politic presence. He matured a lot but at the same time saw that the world was loving him and became a diva
>Third era
His post JLG/JLG stuff. His commentary on film history is interesting since he was part of it, but he's so far up his ass that it isn't even funny. Many other directors achieved what he wants to do meanwhile.
I stopped at Film Socialism, I might watch his new 3D movie just because it was time someone took the surrealist route with the format, but it feels like a middle age crisis of trying to get back to his roots.

THOSE ARE JUST MY OPINIONS DON'T GET MAD SILLY BOYS

>>5633271
>singing in the rain
> black swan
> eternal sunshine of the spotless mind
>dead man
>spirited away

>>5634100
>It can be written off as pretentious bullshit
No, cut that shit out. If it has meaning for you it has meaning, full stop. Don't buy into the anti intellectual speach of "you can't know if he MEANT to mean that", art is to be experienced and if it has an effect it worked and you should be proud of your feelings.

>>5634091
I'm not really into the whole "psychoanalyzing filmmakers based on their work" thing. I believe that what they produce is to be taken independently into consideration with no regards to the filmmaker's personal life, but that's just me. Sorry if I sound retarded I'm not a native speaker

What you said about Jacob's ladder is interesting, I haven't thought of it this way. I'll rewatch it with this in mind.

>boner people get with obscurity
Yeah that's it.
>taking away from his point
Really? Well isn't that a form of obscurity then?
I haven't seen Synchdoque New York. Is it worth watching?

>>5633990

Peep show is a great example of it working spendidly

>>5634134
>"psychoanalyzing filmmakers based on their work" thing
It's more psychoanalyzing the film itself to see the routes the mind could had used to create those images and ideas. It's a big part of literary analysis, and it's quite enjoyable as long as you don't try to force meaning or get too worked about people not agreeing with you.

>form of obscurity
That sounds right now like an interesting take on that kind of stuff, even if it sounds a bit warholian. I'll consider it.

>SNY
Well, at the time I was trying to find my personal way in film and the level of self analysis that movie had really hit me, I've always been a fan of Kauffman but such huge liberties and cash flow are impressive. I later got more into Fellini and it became obvious that there are many ways to deal with surrealism in film that don't need to be so... US film circa 2010. If anything the cinematography will make that movie look really dated in a derivative way in a few more years, unlike many classics mentioned in this thread that were making their own thing and the rest of the world either imitated a bit or left them alone.
It's still quite an interesting movie and aspiring script writers should watch it to see that there is space for alternative story telling still today.

>>5634160
Doesn't everyone do that? Subconsciously, if anything? Trying to figure out "how could that particular idea have stemmed from the guy's mind".

>a bit warholian
What do you mean?
As long as something's purposedly made unclear or difficult to grasp, it's obscure; if the methods used are in-your-face instead of discreet, it doesn't change the outcome, I think.

Alright; I'm not an aspiring script writer but I'll watch it anyway. Thanks.

Do you have an opinion on Pasolini's Salo? I'm wondering whether or not I should take the time to watch it or if it's an unnecessary showcasing of violence with no actual content.
I didn't read Sade's works either, perhaps I should do that first.

>>5634192
Not him but Pasolini's Salo is a bit different to the book because it incorporates much more social commentary. I think its a misunderstood masterpiece. The violence is excessive and depraved, but that's the point. It's not without merit.

Aguirre, the Wrath of God (Herzog, 1972)
All That Heaven Allows (Sirk, 1955)
The Night of the Hunter (Laughton, 1955)
Two-Lane Blacktop (Hellman, 1971)
The Passion of Joan of Arc (Dreyer, 1928)

Some runner-ups: Vertigo, 2001, Knife in the Water, Female Trouble, The Friends of Eddie Coyle, La Strada, Night of the Living Dead

>>5634220
I see. Would you say the violence is profoundly shocking or just mildly disturbing?
(You're talking to a guy who pussied out on Martyrs)

>>5634243
Martyr's is a film designed to shock. Salo is a film designed to make you think that shocks you in to doing so.

Give it a go. It's pretty unpleasant at times but it's not gory.

>>5634243
Different anon here, but I found Salo to be rather stomachable despite its intensity. But moreso I found it to be a deeply sad film. On the other hand, eating shit never really grossed me out that much.

if you can't take gore then it may not be for you. I think Pasolini sometimes focuses too much on the torture. But unlike someone like Lars von Trier who wants to provoke, I think Pasolini does a good job of connecting it to the fascist institution perpetrating it.

although, unless you really love Pasolini or gory movies, then I don't think it's essential.

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look at all these plebs

possession
inland empire
hellraiser
halloween
suspiria

>>5634274
What's your list?

This is a simple short film I have made
http://youtu.be/sRmpQXZ1k6o

perhaps some of you will enjoy it.

>>5634262
Good. Thanks.
>Martyr's is a film designed to shock
Some say it conveys a message but I didn't perceive anything really. Did I miss something?
>>5634267
Well then, I'll watch it. I'm all for tackiness but not in the form of gore, I'm not receptive to that.
>eating shit never really grossed me out that much
>if you can't take gore
I'm not that much of a pussy, actually gore itself isn't really the matter; I don't mind the actual visuals, but things that are linked to torture and such forms of depravity as coprophagia disturb me a lot for some reason; I really dislike seeing a person's "descent" especially when the end result is incredibly crude and devoid of humanity - a broken body and a broken spirit. The Green Elephant does that, too.
>Pasolini sometimes focuses too much on the torture
Eh. The fact that it's from 1976 makes me wonder if it's as realistically graphic as nowadays' movies. Is it?

Satantango
2001: A Space Odyssey
Still Walking
Persona
Sans Soleil

Bonus: On the silver globe
Zerkalo

Lost in Translation
In Bruges
The Assassination of Jesse James by the Coward Robert Ford
Rushmore
Delicatessen or Blade Runner

>>5634192
>subconscious analysis
Yeah, but its so much interesting to do it consciously!

>warholian
In the sence that instead of working over the subtlety it's covering in so many things at the same level that it's hard to find the real thread if there's any at all. I don't know, it sounded like an argument Warhol would use to defend one of those industrial grade pop works his artists/slaves/hobos crapped out.

And it does change the outcome, it's all part of the prose of the medium and its as important as it is in literature
Obviously >inb4 I just like plot

>Salo
Never watched, I haven't watched all of Passolini and as far as I can tell it's one of his more meh works, more chocking than anything else. But I might be wrong.

>>5634267
>Pasolini does a good job of connecting it to the fascist institution perpetrating it.
He really was one of the last masters of social commentary, even when some of his stuff was too evident it still didn't quite feel like pandering to a political cause.

>>5634220
your point is pretty decent except
>him
you're a meanie!

>>5634221
>Aguirre
I never really got into narrative Herzog but that movie looks so beautiful. It's also probably Kisnky's best work.

Any germanfag has checked Klaus' version of every (or most) Shakespeare's plays? I found an audio torrent and considered downloading it but I'm not quite sure I'll enjoy hours of just his screams, maybe with image it would be more interesting.

>>5634334
>him

I used to say "they" but after several years of 4chan I gave up and assumed this was a male only site. Not that it is ever relevant here.

>>5634274
>Implying reading isn't more worthwhile than watching films

>>5634287
The middle scene sticks out like a sore thumb. Both aesthetically (it's the only hand held shot, it has a clear human presence, the light is much more present) and in narration (if anything the first part is the strongest i sugesting that something is happening, while the other two are a bit too obvious). Do you like american realism in your short stories? Some times less is more and all that.
Decent anyway, I'd like you to keep working on stuff, that's the only way to get better.

>>5633393
>he cries because his family aren't capitalistic christmas movie-esque drones who have unbearable unfunny hijinks every christmas just to end the night sitting around a fire watching a movie like a tradition while sucking each other off the the annoying neighbor kid who finally was accepted into the group after it was found out his parents didn't pay him any attention


It's like you actively try to be faggot every chance you get.

>>5634320
>satantango
I once was checking /tv/ and people kept mentioning. Is it a meme movie? I don't get how it would gather such a steady attention.

>>5634343
Nah, I was just joking. No hard feelings or anything, that would be stupid.

>>5634352
Hey, why did you take it away? Did you realize that your name was in it?

Hour of the Wolf
Amer
Street Trash
Holy Motors
The Perils of Gwendoline in the Land of the Yik Yak

>>5634359
Not "them" but Satantango is most famous for being over seven hours long. It's very good but it feels like hard work at times.

>>5634285
1. 醫生帕維爾我是中央情報局 (1948)
2. Бане Маcкирани човек (1989)
3. Sampeyan ora njaluk kanggo ngowahi kanca (1965)
4. Ти великий хлопець (2001)
5. Tôi là một chàng trai lớn cho bạn (1999)

>>5634376
>I'll just search for the most obscure foreign films I can find, that'll show him

>>5634376
top kek

>>5634352
>The middle scene sticks out like a sore thumb. Both aesthetically (it's the only hand held shot, it has a clear human presence, the light is much more present)

I am aware of those things and they are there purposefully and were the main reasons that dictated it be the middle shot of all 3. I rarely use handheld shots.

>Some times less is more

I'd say any lesser here and it would become esoteric, but that's just me.

gummo
eraserhead
stroszek
2001
baraka

>>5634379
Google translate rhem, son. Its depressing that I know what they all say without google translate now.

>>5633843
have any of you seen The Dance of Reality yet? I really enjoyed it. It was very sincere.

Zeeburg:

Donny Darko
28 days later
American Pyscho
What ever Clark Gable stars in
Zombie movies in general

There a bunch of movies that I liked, but I don't remember any right off the top of my head. These are the ones that come to mind first.

>>5634379

it's pasta

>>5634393
Funnily enough, that makes such perfect sense, thanks for sharing, for real

Also, you're not so bad dude

>>5634382
I don't want to be that guy, and your future production is the only thing that sort of matters, but "it was intentional" is a pretty shitty way to take commentary on your work. If you hadn't taken it out I'd check again to see if I was being too hasty with it, but someone can't risk criticism.

>>5634393
I enjoy your shitposting and all, Z, but your taste in movies is just as shit as your taste in books.

>>5634392
Easily his worst movie. Just a rehash of old themes with much less effort put into its visual appeal. Jorodowsky should have died and left it at Santa Sangre.

>>5634399
>but "it was intentional" is a pretty shitty way to take commentary on your work.

But it was and I was clarifying. If you do not like it, that's perfectly fine, but it wasn't accidental that there was a handheld shot sandwiched between two static shots. I removed it for other reasons.

>>5634393
Zeeburg because I know your are an epic memester from who appreciates his /pol/ think you should watch The Brass Teapot. It's breddy gud.

>>5634397
Thanks, anon-sama.

>>5634399
Say that to my face, faggots.

>>5634409
I'll look into it, but no promises, anon-sama.


I forgot to mention that I dig Starship Troopers.

synechdoche new york
the graduate
casablanca
the place beyond the pines
adaptation

>>5634427
The place beyond the pines was dope.

Z

>>5633271
1. Amadeus

>>5634405
You don't need to clarify that, that's why is pointless to say it. Everything that has intention, at least I'm treating you with respect and assuming you wanted to do what you did. The idea of sharing a work is seeing how people react to it and consider how your intentions worked in practice.

No particular order

Sonatine
The Scarlet Pimpernel
Hot Fuzz
The Princess & the Cobbler
Star Wars Episode IV

The Beaver Trilogy
Modern Romance
The Cat and the Canary
Hands on a Hardbody
Grosse Pointe Blank

>>5634451
>You don't need to clarify that, that's why is pointless to say it. Everything that has intention, at least I'm treating you with respect and assuming you wanted to do what you did.

I apologize if my tone came off as disrespectful. I can see where you wouldn't like the handheld shot, I had reservations about it myself but wanted very much to include it because of the tone of what I was aiming for, which is why I structured the shots the way I did.

I simply did not know if your criticism was pointing to the shot being that way out of my ignorance towards shots being congruent, as in I simply mixed handheld and static shots because I didn't know any better. As I said, I rarely use handheld shots and based the editing of that work around the exception for certain reasons.

Thanks for watching and giving your thoughts.

>>5633500
I'm reading through the thread and even with Drive this is the best list by far, let's see if anyone has a better list

>>5634452
Sonatine makes you my nigga.

>>5633925
pleb list but at least you have the best Wes

>>5634524
not him but what other Kitano have you seen? Sonatine is probably my favorite but Boiling Point is great too. Haven't seen any others.

>>5634543
All of them. Hana Bi is arguably his best. It features all the things that make his gangster films great and combines everything that makes his more art house films great. Getting Any? is rubbish and his trilogy in the mid 00s was a bit dull but otherwise his films are all safe bets.

Hana Bi should be a very safe recommendation.

>>5634494
What's wrong with Drive?

>>5633271
The Usual Suspects
Pulp Fiction
The Good, the Bad, and the Ugly
South Park: Bigger, Longer and Uncut (Pleb, I know)
The Hangover i guess

>>5634482
lol, you don't need to worry that much either. We're all people trying to make the best we can.
If you fix whatever made you take it away I'll like to check it again to try to get what you were going for.

>>5634543
I loved Boiling Point when I saw it, even with the shitty ending. Even if more straight Violent Cop is quite good.

Threads like this remind me just how abnormally vast my knowledge of film is. It's quite strange reading some people's choices and seeing some really unusual films mentioned. It makes me realise that when I mention La Dolce Vita as one of my top five to a "normal" person they have no idea what I'm on about.

Quite an eye-opening thread.

Szerelem
Eternal Sunshine
Seven Samurai
Reminiscences of a Journey to Lithuania
Last Year at Marienbad

>>5634591
>It makes me realise that when I mention La Dolce Vita as one of my top five to a "normal" person they have no idea what I'm on about.

Whenever people ask my top movies I answer honestly and they think Im being a snob

if I say "Andrei Rublev" they go "uhhh Whats THAT" with this weird look

The average person apparently thinks there are like only 100 movies ever and that everyone's top films are The Godfather and Shawshank Redemption

>>5634591
>wow fellini so deep and obscure xD

fuck yourself dipshit

>>5634619
Same. Once or twice I've mentioned my favourite films that people will have actually heard of (usually Kubrick, Scorsese and such) but generally I'm honest.

>>5634625
Why should I and why Am I a dipshit?

>>5634591
At its time La Dolce Vita was quite the mainstream movie, I'm sure I could ask most friends of my parents and they will sort of remember it.
If you feel that a decent film discussion starts and ends in watched lists you're a pretty basic person. It's much better to have a deep understanding of a smaller body of work than having just consumed absurd amounts of material as if you were the fattest person in a macdonalds.

>>5634568
I think people in /tv/ hate it because it became a meme movie, like people here won't take you seriously when you say that Zizek's take on Lacan is a great introduction to him. He push through thanks to the smaller userbase and you can get a decent DFW discussion, but most of the time a meme author will become impossible to treat for a few months at least if not years.

>>5634615
>Reminiscences of a Journey to Lithuania
Why is people paying attention to Mekas again? His books got reprinted this year, also.

>>5634619
>>5634627
People don't care that much about your hobby. If you want to be patrician about it you should be able to explain why the work is powerful and guide a neophyte in the right direction. You are stopping in the gates of true high brow.

>>5634615
good shit
>>5634619
not good shit

In Bruges
2001
12 Angry Men
This is England
In The Loop

>>5634569
jesus are you 17?
i bet your favorite books are lolita and 1984

>>5634649
again? i didn't know the recent interest in him was a resurgence! i loathe as i was moving ahead fwiw but reminiscences and Walden are masterful

>>5634133
You are a beautiful human for thinking that way

>>5634494
Kind Hearts and Coronets is dope. Not my favorite but doesn't get enough love.

The more Alec Guiness I see the more I understand why he was pissed off about Star Wars.

>>5633333
You were somewhere around Barstow, on the edge of the desert, when the quints began to take hold

The double life of veronique
Sansho the bailiff
Andrei rublev
Jules and Jim
The tree of life

Under Wraps
Halloweentown
Don't Look Under the Bed
Mom's Got a Date with a Vampire
Halloweentown II: Kalabar's Revenge

Andrei Rublev
The Passion of Joan of Arc
Eurpoa
Inland Empire
The Seventh Continent

>>5634708
What did you think of his Father Brown?

>>5634524
It the first time I'd seen a film and really tuned in to the ability of the camera work alone and I convey emotion

Anyone listing Pulp Fiction is a pleb. It's a good movie, but fucking casual.

My favorite movie is My Own Private Idaho.

>>5634802
guess I should make it a list

1. my own private idaho
2. AKIRA
3. man on wire
4. 2001
5. the wind rises

>>5634671
I'm sure you're a beautiful human being too, anon. But I'm just someone raised in art appreciation.

>>5634665
Well, when he had Warhol protection he was a big name in the experimental film circles. He then went away from the spot light, and now he's back. I'm not old enough to know if it was more of a cyclic thing.
His books appearing again is the most confusing part, since such a niche product doesn't just appears without justification. I'm guessing they're gonna off him at some point soon to make his stuff more valuable.

>>5634727
>Eurpoa
Really?
Elements of Crime seemed much better for me in setting and structure, on the other hand Europa got me interested at the start and outside of a few scenes it lost me more and more as it went. Is there something particular that clicks with you?
I haven't been able to find the other one in that trilogy.

>>5634719
Top stuff.

>>5634320
Good list

>>5633271
Mishima A life in four chapters
Midnight Cowboy
Blade Runner
Wake in Fright
Ikiru

>>5634838
Honourable mentions go to any of Ingmar Bergman's works from 50s-60s, Lost in Translation and Synecdoche New York

The Long Goodbye
The Killing of A Chinese Bookie
The King of Comedy
Blue Velvet
The Enigma of Kaspar Hauser

a clockwork orange
hidalgo
drive
i am not a hipster
bottle rocket.

>>5633271
Ghost In The Shell
Casablanca
one who flew over cookoos nest
Lord Of War
Citizen Kane

>>5634851

>Cassavettes
>Lynch
>best Scorchese

boner

>>5634446

my nigga.

1. It's a Wonderful Life
2. Wild Strawberries
3. The Straight Story
4. Crimes and Misdemeanour's
5. Birdman of Alcatraz

It's more of a personal choice for me because I feel that it depicts post-WWII Germany in a very honest way, I didn't live through that period but my German relatives tell me these things. I also find the visual style to be very effective, as well as the narration and plot elements, even if the characters are lacking.

1. Yi Yi
2. Boogie Nights
3. The Mirror
4. Werckmeister Harmonies
5. End of Evangelion

Abbot and Costello go to Mars
Gaping Assholes 6
Honey, I Shrunk the Kids ... Again
Semen Slurpers ll
Bugs Bunny and the Abominable Snowman

Cremaster 4
Cremaster 1
Cremaster 5
Cremaster 2
Cremaster 3

The "top 5" format makes so hard to have a decent discussion. Even if someone gets the ball rolling the thread quickly goes back to people listing things and leaving.

>>5633271
I like asian feels movies.

>>5635366
Have you seen Still Walking?

>>5633565
I agree I fgeel like it is taken in as a foreign substance, probably on purpose. Fly af is my review

>this is probably the worst image-board ever

>>5635369
No. It looks good, I will have to watch it, thanks anon.

>>5634376
I think I remember you from /fa/.

>>5633500
I like this list. Are you British, though? I don't like Drive, but your list is honest and stylish.

>>5634221
Decent, diverse, unpretentious list. Sirk is funny. He's like, "I KNOW it's a crap melodramatic story. I do the best I can with what I'm given."

>>5634851
This is a pretty good list. Do you like California Split? Thieves Like Us?

>>5635320
Almost believable. I wish you were real. I'd talk movies with you for sure.

Boogie Nights
Scott Pilgrim vs. The World
Modern Times
Rosemary's Baby
Cloud Atlas

>>5635472
I'm English yes. I've remembered another film which I'd probably demote The Thing for, 'Naked', which I thought was very good indeed.

Groundhog Day
La Vita e bella
Eternal Sunshine of the Spotless Mind
The Graduate
Lawrence of Arabia

>>5635533
>Lawrence of Arabia
>chomping propaganda because it looks cool

>>5635547
>implying I hold it in high regard because of the plot rather than the scope and cinematography

>>5635556
>the most basic use of a technology widely widely available for decades and decades
Contempt uses panavision much better and has Fritz Lang playing Godard.

>>5635547
Lawrence of Arabia's first half is basically the prettiest thing in film history

How many things like that have you seen?
I mean, if you just want that you have Koyaanisqatsi and the related movies.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1jM2WA2WbDc

and previously in this thread
>>5633552
>Birdsong (Serra 2008)
>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ruudd9X-izU

>>5635573
>Lawrence of Arabia prettiest
Nice try

>>5635656
Was that technicolor?
Japan had its own color film at first, and they got some pretty crazy things going on.

>>5635500
California Split is something I considered putting down but I didn't want two Altman. Never seen Thieves Like Us.