/lit/ - Literature

>>5877394
probably you're a bigot

>>5877394

Because literature course are self-important and their definition of feminism is whatever american lesbians say it is.

Move along

Because the girls laughed at you at school

>>5877394
I feel the same way.

>>5877394
because you're probably an edgy teen and probably have some kind of incoherent, impotent rage against the world that you can't adequately define, probably you weren't breastfed and you ate too much sugar when you were a kid or something, you can't get laid, and you've spent too much time on 4chan and think "feminists" are going to knife you in your bed or something. oh and you're studying literature and have realised that your chances of having a meaningful career are approaching zero. is that it?

>>5877394

Because you feel like wasting time getting acquainted with a petty bourgeois time sink?

>>5877394
because you can't get laid

>>5877447
Antifeminism and all that aside, this is a point to consider. Any socially oriented class should make it clear from the start why it's gonna be important for your formation because you'll always enter assuming it's first world logic central and it tends to be.

That's not to say that it can't be an important part of your formation, but it takes extra work to make that evident.

>>5877440
>you can't get laid
>>5877456
>because you can't get laid


>MERRIKANS

Christianity not coming good on its promises, basically, OP. Time to reconsider yourself.

It's probably cos you're not a fan of feminism

>>5877509

>Their face when I sleep around
>Their face when I think feminists are obnoxious


The way I see it, live and let live. If some gargantuan woman with furry legs wants to gaffaw and yawp about "muh oppressions" let them.

But please, don't FORCE me to listen to your incoherent ramblings.

>>5877509
I don't know where people get this idea that sex improves attitudes towards women.

It's not easy to talk about.

>>5877636
I get that. But the most common argument I hear in the class is that men don't like to hear it because they fear feeling inadequate. So I can't argue with them because that makes me inadequate but then I feel inadequate because I'm sitting there and just allowing the man beasts to rabble on.

>>5877456
>>5877440
I can get laid. Unfortunately this seems like a legitimate point of view from the feminist camp.

I hate feminists especially the tumblr feminiazis.
Why wouldn't you? I honestly don't get how people can respect feminists in this day and age. What are they even fighting for? Where is the oppression women face? Talking about the West btw.

>>5877652
And by man-beasts I mean women who look like man-beasts.

>>5877652
>t the most common argument I hear in the class is that men don't like to hear it because they fear feeling inadequate
No, that's bullshit. Like the Authoritarian Personality. I will say though, that women fulfilling most male roles threatens the male identity in some respects, because women don't need men nearly as much, and men don't feel like they have as much of a social function /mission.

>>5877655
Don't derail this with general 'boohoo tumblr doesnt like my fedora' bullshit.

Some of us actually understand that feminism and 'feminism' are not the same thing.

>>5877655

>Where is the oppression women face?

Walk down the street, work in an office, raise a family as a woman. See how it suits you

>>5877652
Usually when you fear being perceived a certain way it's because you know you feel that way. If you accept that you feel a bit inadequate with the topic and you're open about it people will respect your opinions and comment on them with a mind as open as possible.

>>5877652
dude you must have known what topics were on the syllabus before you signed up for the course

if you didn't know, then you're an idiot for not researching the course enough

you have only yourself to blame

>>5877394
>Why do I always feel angry when we talk about feminism on my literature course?

Because feminism is a joke to anyone with a brain, and if it pissed you off when they talk about it at your literature course it's probably because the rational part of your brain is highly developed.

>>5877676
i see there are still a few /pol/tards lurking around here

>>5877675
Maybe I signed up for a degree with subjects I knew nothing about so that, I don't know, maybe I would learn about things I've never encountered. Like feminism.

>>5877674
But I find it difficult to accept feelings of inadequacy. If I was a fat fuck I would go and join a gym, not accept it. So how can I overcome this feeling, if that is where the anger lies?

Because they believe they're the only people on the planet being oppressed when in reality it's everyone.

>>5877688
>i see there are still a few /pol/tards lurking around here

>muh /pol/tard meme

Recognizing the innate stupidity of feminism has nothing to do with /pol/. It has something to do with a rational worldview.

>>5877691
well duh, but there must have been a syllabus or agenda or something with a list of topics that would be covered. and, you must live a pretty sheltered life if you've never encountered feminism before. the anger you feel now is your response to your own foolishness

>>5877676

This is my problem with feminism as wekk as myself.


I believe there is a patriarchy. I mean it is obvious. Who is in charge? men. Who make the most money? men. That is the patriarchy.

There is some inequality between men and women. What pisses me off and turns me against feminists is this like hatred toward literally everything.

I saw a post on tumblr the other day saying how you shouldn't teach your kids to behave because teaching them to behave teaches them to be entitled so when a kid behaves and doesn't get there way, they will do the opposite of their "good behavior."

That isn't a well behaved child. That is a spoiled brat. By not teaching your child to behave, you're encouraging that behavior.

I feel that feminism is a pseudo science/sociology. Everything is conditional. A wealthy black woman is more privileged than a homeless white male. The black woman has a roof over her head, and food in her stomach as well as first world luxuries.

Its strange. Especially this whole body positivity movement that excludes short, and unattractive men.

>>5877705
>muh attempt to rationalise my irrational responses

yeah you're still a /pol/tard tho

>>5877691
Why would you go to the gym if you won't accept that you're fat? I know fat guys that insist that frying 3/4ths of your foods and eating until it hurts is normal behaviour. You are doing that, accepting your issues and fixing them are aspects of a same process.

Next time in class you feel a certain way about a topic try to be as calm and educated as possible and ask your issues away. Don't try to debate or outsmart or show off, just try to get the other perspective.

>>5877705
And liberalism is a mental disorder, as the good Doctor Savage says.

>>5877669
>as a woman
Well I didn't choose to be a man.
Where is the oppression women face?
In what way is walking down the street, working in an office, raising a family as a woman harder than as a man?

>>5877716
>I believe there is a patriarchy. I mean it is obvious. Who is in charge? men. Who make the most money? men. That is the patriarchy.

No it's not. Patriarchy is an invisible and intangible system of nepotism according to feminism, in which men privilege other men and only help other men, because men only care about men and hate women and therefore men need to annihilated.

>>5877716

>Especially this whole body positivity movement that excludes short, and unattractive men
>tfw tall, handsome male feminist

>>5877716
>What pisses me off and turns me against feminists is this like hatred toward literally everything.
>what pisses me off is that they get pissed off at stupid things
>it's absolutely not a comment about myself
You're great, never change.

>>5877734
are you fucking joking?

>>5877688
Nice buzzwords.

>>5877722
I guess it must be easy to live in a world were you actually don't have to engage anyone in a reasonable discussion because you think you have all the right answers already.

>>5877751
How mad are you?

>>5877734

>Where is the oppression women face?
In what way is walking down the street, working in an office, raising a family as a woman harder than as a man?

Are you joking or are you this dumb? Are you not aware of the social order at all or are you just pretending to be oblivious?

>>5877716
>I believe there is a patriarchy. I mean it is obvious. Who is in charge? men. Who make the most money? men. That is the patriarchy.

That's not an issue in itself.
What's the issue is claiming that the patriarchy is unfair, that every individual which reached the top of the hierarchy got there unfairly, instead of simply being the most competent and most driven individual at the moment of selection for that given position.

There is no evidence of that conspiracy theory.

>>5877756
> reasonable discussion

perhaps you forgot
this is still fucking 4chan

>>5877751
wow
so indignant
wow
rigteous angry and fury

Feminism only applies to the developed, white, western(ized) world. We're too caught up in our modernity and "gender politics" to care about the women in africa or any other shithole part of the world where females are actually being oppressed brutally. I'd argue that feminism is a middle-class, anglo-saxon obsession anyway.

>>5877759
>>5877773
wow
so stupid
wow
anon typed four words so he must be mad
wow
owowow
wowoowowowowowowowooooo

>>5877773
>Feminism only applies to the developed, white, western(ized) world
Sort of like Camus and Wittgenstein.

>>5877751
>>5877767
No, I am not joking.

When I walk down the street, I see mostly male hobos. I see mostly male workers working in the cold and mud.

I don't see how working in an office is harder for women, the offices I've been in don't seem so hostile. It's not like working in the cold and mud.

As for raising a family, it seems rather easy as a woman, there are plenty of single mothers while single dads seem more rare.

>>5877394
Politics of ressentiment

>>5877767
>still doesn't answer the question.
>resorts to typical feminist buzzwords

Grade A tumblr

>>5877655
>using Rush Limbaugh's put down that equates feminism with Nazism
>thinking Tumblr represents feminists anymore than Revleft represents leftists.

>>5877787
>raise family
>have a job
>pick one

>>5877787

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=b1XGPvbWn0A

>>5877814

www.youtube.com/watch?v=InUeOWlgebM

>>5877805
Yes. Pick one.
What's the issue exactly?

>>5877814
You have people talking to you while walking down the street?
So what?
That's what happens when you walk in a populated area.
Obviously if you don't want to talk to people you can go live in some deserted area like mountains or a countryside somewhere.
Living in a dense city really isn't something most of our ancestors have done, so I understand if some of us are less adapted to it.

>>5877814
>At least half of the comments are nice and welcoming
>OH MY GOD, FUCKING MEN, I'M GETTING SO OPPRESSED

That video just proves how feminism is manufacturing shit to be bitter about.

>>5877716
>He believes in the wage gap

>>5877743

Enjoy your fat chicks with hairy pits, dude.

>>5877835
This just proves that women prefer to be treated like shit.

>>5877829
>Using this false equivalence

Not the same, shitlord.

there are serious gender issues in society, but so many of the people who call themselves feminists are just batshit insane. they are to gender issues what maoism third-worldism is to class issues.

>>5877814

If she really doesn't like it, she should just become fat.

As a fat guy I would love to be acknowledged in public and not ignored and treated like a disease.

>>5877863
>shit lord
>more buzzwords

You reek of tumblr.

Drop the buzzwords and explain how it's not the same.

>>5877831
Men don't have to pick one because their wives can raise a family while they have a job. This is why you don't see many single fathers.

>That's what happens when you walk in a populated area

I commute o London almost every day and have done for about 2 years, I have had maybe two or three people try to talk to me, and even then it was only asking for directions.

If I was a woman it would be different. I know this because my Girlfriend also commutes to London and regularly faces the kind of creepiness seen in that footage.

>>5877835

This post is a glaring reminder of the need for feminism. Overt sexual attention in a public space is a kind of oppression that is rampant in western culture.

>but the men are being nice and welcoming

Learn to read subtext, creep

>>5877863

The video is a prime example of the sexual difference at play in real life, for a normal young woman.

>>5877882
He is essentially a model whereas she is a normal woman, average in appearance and attractiveness.
Wouldn't surprised me if his was a fake video anyway, considering the ego on that man far surpasses the size of his biceps.

>>5877888
Nice trips

>Tfw you aren't allowed to talk to women if you're white and male
>Tfw will never have a GF because le feminism

>>5877882
>implying that any site in the internet loves shouting buzzwords at each other
>

>>5877888

>Men don't have to pick one because their wives can raise a family while they have a job. This is why you don't see many single fathers.

Haha really.
Men are less likely to have children than women.
Men are less likely to be single fathers because men can't get a child from a random woman unlike women who could get a family from a random uncounter at a bar if they wished.

>I commute o London almost every day and have done for about 2 years, I have had maybe two or three people try to talk to me, and even then it was only asking for directions.
Yes, you're a man, no one cares about you.

>If I was a woman it would be different. I know this because my Girlfriend also commutes to London and regularly faces the kind of creepiness seen in that footage.
She has the choice to live in an isolated area.

If women want to be alone they can be very easily.
If men don't want to be alone, it's hard to acquire a family.
Seems to me that men are the ones being oppressed.

>>5877913
You can talk to women without seeming obtrusive and creepy as fuck. Start by watching that video and seeing a good example of how not to do it.

>>5877902
>This post is a glaring reminder of the need for feminism.

No it isn't. That video is a glaring reminder that white middle-class crazy-cat ladies who hate men for preferring younger more beautiful women and not their crusty and bitchy cunts will invent any reason to cry "oppression".

>>5877919
How are you supposed to approach a woman, when "good morning" and "have a nice day" are harassment now apparently

>>5877918
Lolwhut? Being oppressed is being able to have a peaceful journey without the fear of being approached or assaulted because I have a different set of genitals?

If women don't like it they should move to a desert?

Men can't get a child from a random woman?

You're trolling, right?

>>5877394
Because women are incompetent little creatures aside from playing the pity card. That's how they conned men into allowing them to vote and that's how they will con men into other things.

The women's liberation movement is akin to a child expertly whining about getting a piece of candy.

>>5877922
Don't approach them if they're minding their own business walking down the fucking street and start following them. Approach a woman in a book store who happens to be checking out a book you like or something. Have you ever been outside?

>>5877920

>men prefer a certain type of woman
>if you are this type of woman, prepare for a lifetime of catcalls and unwanted attention
>if this seems off-putting you're either a faggot or a cat lady

Listen to yourself

>>5877902
>This post is a glaring reminder of the need for feminism.

This post is a glaring reminder of a glaring reminder of the need of feminism.

>>5877906
>she is a normal woman
Her ass is bigger than your average woman
They both wore tight clothing and surprise, surprise got attention for it.
The videos are completely equivalent.

>>5877919
People are obtrusive and creepy as fuck whenever it's convenient to the common feminist.

>>5877913
This is the weirdest logic I've read today, dude.

>>5877936

>the feminists are out to get us
>as a white male I am oppressed

Kill yourself

>>5877930
I never said "if this seems off-putting you're either a faggot or a cat lady"

I said that only women who cannot get laid would give a shit about cat-calling. Most sane, well-endowed females would understand that cat-calling is how the males of her species show interest in them.

Expecting pity from anyone because of cat-calling is literally the most narcissistic bullshit I have ever heard.

>>5877933
Her ass is bigger than the normal woman?

Looks like all those years of studying have really paid off. Nigga, you are genuinely saying that a body type dictates how you should be treated. That's some /pol/ shit.

>>5877936
People are obtrusive and creepy as fuck when people are obtrusive and creepy as fuck.

>>5877924
>Being oppressed is being able to have a peaceful journey without the fear of being approached or assaulted because I have a different set of genitals?
What's your definition of oppression? You didn't give it so far.
I hope it's not about people talking to you when you go outside.

>If women don't like it they should move to a desert?
Living anywhere outside of a densely populated area will drastically reduce the chance of strangers talking to you.

>Men can't get a child from a random woman?
Give examples of this happening.
You think a random woman would bother with a 9 months pregnancy just to give some stranger a child?

>>5877940
>be assholes to everybody
>tell people to kill themselves when they don't appreciate it

this is who nobody likes tumblr feminists

>>5877394
From your post it sounds like this has happened multiple times.

If you're studying contemporary and classic literature, then male publications are going to heavily outweigh female ones (and no, not because women's brains are smaller). You're annoyed because the discussion is pandering, and goes against the historical ratio. This means that plenty of worthwhile authors are being ranked - on any level - by their gender, and are subsequently being ignored as a result.

Unless you're studying modern texts, fuck me then.

>>5877947
>Definition of oppression
Being treated in an unfair or threatening way because of something that cannot be helped (ie race, gender). It is pretty oppressive to be approached by people who's only motive is to fuck you and it's okay because 'boys will be boys'.

>Living anywhere outside of a densely populated area
People should be able to live wherever the fuck they want without being bothered by horny men.

>Give examples of this happening
Exactly, I can't, therefore this becomes an example of inequality, and why feminism is actually needed.

>>5877943

>Most sane, well-endowed females would understand that cat-calling is how the males of her species show interest in them.
>The oppressive social order is how it is, we totes shouldn't change it. Accept it and move on, ladies!

Is this 1953?

>>5877946
>Nigga, you are genuinely saying that a body type dictates how you should be treated.

Everyone is treated differently depending on how they look. That's just a fact of the human species. Fat, skinny, black,white, beautiful or ugly, all these things converge to make people act differently towards you or you to others.

>>5877968
and that's okay?

>>5877946
I'm not saying it should dictate how you should be treated, i'm saying the reality is that whether you're a man or woman, if you have attractive features, you're going to get some attention.

Both videos prove this.

>>5877971
Why ask if unavoidable things are okay?

>>5877943
Most "sane, well endowed females" don't enjoy catcalling either. Such a woman doesn't exist.

>>5877967
Cat-calling is not an "oppressive social order".

>>5877980
>sane well-endowed women don't exist

That's funny.

>>5877977
Fair enough, but we should work to change it, shouldn't we?
Also, nice dubs.

>>5877978
slavery was unavoidable once. Pretty okay though.

>>5877940
>>as a white male I am oppressed
Not that poster, but where does he say that?
Or anything like that?

>>5877980
>don't enjoy catcalling

I never said you enjoyed it. I said, most sane and well-endowed women would UNDERSTAND why the male in her species would react in that way. But apparently language is not one of your strong sides.

>>5877984

No, it's representative of how the social order operates with the sexual difference

>>5877984
Is making women feel uncomfortable and unsafe every time they leave their home not a form of oppression?

>>5877394
Because you are a micro-rapist, ie you rape women by sight; your still believe gender is biological and your sexual organs are not mere social constructs; you do not like hairy women; you enjoy, within women, characteristics deemed beautiful by our culture of rape and patriarchy, further propagating standards of shame and opression; you believe a woman's choice is not as important as a human life; you tend to interact with women not in the same way as you do with men, thus opressing them and restricting them to a given label, leaving them unable to even formulate their lack of freedom - that is, in lacanoid terms, that you don't let It speak within the Autre, thus alienating them from their own selves as perceived in relation to the Autre-Chose.

>>5877993

I was extrapolating and exaggerating for the sake of shitposting. Are you new?

>>5878002
nobody can make someone else feel anything. How you feel is your problem.

>>5877966
>Being treated in an unfair or threatening way because of something that cannot be helped (ie race, gender).
But ultimately there is nothing that can be helped.
Are you saying that the kid who gets put in the gifted class did something special to get higher-than-average intelligence?
Then being put in the gifted class is oppression according to you.
So is getting a better gift than the other kids just because your parents are rich.

>It is pretty oppressive to be approached by people who's only motive is to fuck you
Why?
Is it bad to want to fuck people?

>and it's okay because 'boys will be boys'.
I don't see why it should be forbidden to talk to people.

>People should be able to live wherever the fuck they want without being bothered by horny men.
Why?
You mean that horny men should be segregated away from society? That sounds pretty oppressive to me.

>Exactly, I can't, therefore this becomes an example of inequality, and why feminism is actually needed.
What's feminism's plan to get men children without a significant investment in a woman, just like women can get children?

>>5877655
>I honestly don't get how people can respect feminists in this day and age.
First and second wave feminism were necessary, as well as their predecessors. People respect feminism because of what it once represented, not what it is now.
>What are they even fighting for?
For females to have rights equal to their male counterparts. The only difference now, is that the disparity between each demographic is not so bold as to suggest that women have it worse in every regard. We're treading through a minefield, and have to be cautious as to where legislation is directed so as to not skew the situation any more.
>Where is the oppression women face?
In the West: people like to say pay inequality, through there are plenty of valid statistical reports for and against the issue. The main oppression women experience is a cultural one, and not done intentionally by a government or political institution. Women feel unrepresented in many facets of work and life, and objectified in the ones they have some presence in.
Everywhere else: practically everything.

Your picture is nonsensical, by the way. Femininity and masculinity being associated with introversion and extroversion respectively is something that true feminists work against.

>>5878009

If I rape you, don't go cry to the po po or your parents. Feeling victimized is YOUR fault, not mine.
- Bill Cosby

>>5878006
As a result of our society, which, as a post-modern one, is Reason having taken consciousness of itself in its historical progression, you also contain Reason and yet decide to dialectally side with the opressor, while it is clear that History will sublime in a post-gendered society, where gender comes to its dialectical synthesis and Reason fully realizes itself.

>>5877966
>It is pretty oppressive to be approached by people who's only motive is to fuck you

How is that oppressive? I know plenty of women who only want to have sex, no strings attached. Are women oppressing me because they just want to have sex?

I don't think they are. I just think they are a member of a species that enjoys coitus.

>>5878009
I've become so numb, I can't feel you there
Become so tired, so much more aware
I'm becoming this, all I want to do
Is be more like me and be less like you

>>5878019
>Plenty of women
Not all women

>>5878009
Oh hey anon, I just came to your home, took a dump on your lawn, broke all your valuables, ate all your food, and killed all your pets. You angry about it? Not my problem lol

>>5878026
>Not all women

Indeed and yet you speak as though you represent all of them.

>>5878026
Honestly, from most of the people I've met at university, where /r9k/ would have you believe everyone is a slut, the majority of women are looking for real relationships more than 'no consequence sex.'

>>5877801
All mass movements are defined by their worst cultists.

>>5878014
>true feminists
What do you know about feminists, as a male, and how dare you criticize feminists, who, although not agreeing with your ideas, will always be more feminist than you, for they are women; a man cannot be a feminist, for it is in his very brain and deepest culture to opress and alienate women.

>>5878010
The kid who gets put in the gifted class will still have the potential to be the dumbest cunt in the school, so yes, they do have to do something special to maintain a high level of intelligence.

I meant being treated unfairly in a negative light and you know it.

>Is it bad to want to fuck people?
Is it bad to want to be left alone?

>Horny men should be segregated away from society,
You know I don't mean that. You know exactly what I mean.

>Get men children
Maybe men should take some responsibility for their child instead of running away, much like your father probably did.

You must be a riot at parties, you debate like a politics A-level student.

>>5878041
So do you if you were >>5878019

>>5878042
That was my point. Why did you reply to my post with the point I made?

>>5878042
That's what they say. All women pay lip service to this ideal, even the sluts.

>>5878017
>>5878037
He's clearly right. If you get raped, it clearly doesn't help the situation if you lock yourself in your house and never associate with men ever again.

A minority of a minority of men actually rape women, and yet, feminists like to argue day in and day out how much of uncontrollable beasts we are that can't wait to oppress and destroy females. Feminism is a delusional and dangerous ideology, that only serves to destroy relations between men and women, and it shows.

>>5877966
>feminism is actually needed.
Why? Everyone is self-dividing into groups based on demographic discrimination, and then pulling in their own direction. Instead of thinking your issues with gender are the only thing that constitutes inequality, why don't we all adopt the term 'egalitarianism' and work together?

No, of course not! That would mean the majority of 'activists' would have to work altruistically for others. It's not like being ethnic or at the bottom of society financially is any worse than being a middle-class white woman, oh wait...

>>5877814
Women get more attention they don't want and more attention they do want.
Men get less attention they don't want and less attention they do want.

Wow men and women are different and have different experiences who knew? There are relative disadvantages to both being male and female. Much of contemporary feminism deals with dramatizing those female disadvantages while pretending the male disadvantages are meaningless or nonexistent. Feminists are unable to realize that some things *just aren't that big a deal*.

>>5878057
>So do you if you were

Ehm, no. I was positing an argument against your assumption that women don't like having casual sex and that it's oppressive to be approached by someone who wants to.

You might be a person that doesn't like casual sex, but newsflash, many women do, and it's not your right to tell them what is and what isn't oppressive.

>>5878051
>politics A-level student.

Off topic from this thread, but I think this means you live in the UK, right? From my understanding, do Universities there separate students into different levels based off of their past performance (sort of like honors/advanced/IB classes in high-school), or does this mean something else?

>>5878061
kek

>implying the 'rape' we're talking about is not a cultural and social one, as well as a learned propensity to consider women as nothing else but flesh

this thread is evidence of the valuable public service that 4chan provides

if all you edgy teenage boys weren't here ranting about something you can never understand, you might be outside troubling real people

>>5878069
Anyone can take an A-level. Politics students just tend to be extra shitty.

>>5878057
Oh no, I was just agreeing with you, not singling you out. I was using 'you' in the general sense, not referring to you as a poster specifically.

>>5877754
Nice buzzwords.

>>5878051

>Is it bad to want to be left alone?
No. So what's your solution to keep women alone AND living in big cities where people literally live on top of each other?

>You know I don't mean that. You know exactly what I mean.
What do you mean?
What should we do about the horny men?
What's the right, feminist-approved etiquette to court women? Do men need to file state-sanctioned forms to apply to courting a woman?

>Maybe men should take some responsibility for their child instead of running away, much like your father probably did.
What are you talking about?
We're talking about the possibility of a man of getting a child without committing to a woman, which allows fertile women to build themselves a family at will and you're going on about abandoning your children.

>>5878061
>how much of uncontrollable beasts we are that can't wait to oppress and destroy females.
Well Islam is getting a lot of converts lately.

>>5878073
Cool, was just confused, too many strings going on in this thread now.

>>5878068
So because some (not many, citation?) women like casual sex they should all be recipients of sexual advances?

>>5878069
"A-level" is a type of exam students take when they are usually around 18. A-level results are used as entrance criteria by universities.

UK universities don't stream students by ability, or at least they didn't when i was a student. maybe some do for really busy courses.

>>5878071
You could say something similar of tumblr and the whiney feminist princesses on there.

>>5878070
>as well as a learned propensity to consider women as nothing else but flesh

Both men and women are flesh blobs with a brain. Both of them can have hurt feelings, but rather interestingly, only one of them merit any interest, because the other one is a disposable tool for the other.

>>5878010
>Is it bad to want to fuck people?
>I don't see why it should be forbidden to talk to people.

The problem here isn't "wanting to fuck people" or wanting to talk to people, it's approaching people who clearly don't want to be bothered... it shouldn't have to be said that most people walking on the street are just trying to get somewhere and are not looking for socialization. On top of that, many catcalling comments are crude, offensive, and demeaning and the ones that aren't (like "have a nice day" or "how are you") are more often than not laced with a not so well hidden attempt at what you really want to say, which is "I want to fuck you".

How hard it is it to understand that if someone doesn't like you doing something to them, you stop? I thought /lit/ was one of the smartest boards on 4chan but I guess not.

>>5878018
reminder that hegel thought history ended in 19th century prussia

>>5878051
>Maybe men should take some responsibility for their child
They do retard. How do you think societies have formed for millennia? They're even forced to take responsibility by the government via child support, which is incredibly crippling if you're not comfortable financially.

>>5878071
Indeed.
Bread and circus.
Everyone can relax and stop working for the Man, and everything is fine.
Quality entertainment would solve most of the problems of the Middle-East.

>>5878081

>The solution
For men to stop being creeps?

>What should we do with the horny men
Teach them not to be creeps towards women just because they've discovered they can get an erection

>>5878086
Current Uni student here. There is a mixture of ability (as shown by exam grades) and also how you are personally, usually you get interviewed or write a cover letter. Some clever people do fail A-levels and some idiots do pass them.

>>5878083
>they should all be recipients of sexual advances?

Well, considering the fact that you are human, and that human beings like to have sex, you should at least expect as mere probability to get at least some offers during your 70-80 years on this Earth.

I mean, you give off the awful impression that you're a person living alone with 50 cats, and couldn't possibly handle having someone actually being interested in you for whatever reason they might have.

>>5878072
>>5878086
Ah, so A-level exams would be analogous to something along the lines of SAT/ACT and SAT-2 specific subject tests? That's pretty neat.

>>5877990
>slavery was unavoidable once.
It still is. More people live in slavery now than at any other point in history.

>>5878088
That picture is dumb. Most Feminist theorists are also Marxists and acknowledge that proletariat are being oppressed by the establishment.

>>5878090
Women deal with inconveniences men don't. Men deal with inconveniences women don't.

Women have to deal with catcalls but are also socially valued and pandered to in ways men aren't. It's a trade off and not that big a deal. Contemporary feminists want to get rid of every draw-back of being a woman and keep the privileges while wanting to get rid of every privilege of being a man and keeping the draw-backs.

>>5878103
I have no idea what those SAT/ACT things are.

You get through school. Apply for College (at age 16) and pick four A-level subjects. You then study either all four or just three of those subjects for two years and you have to pass examinations and write essays to receive a grade in the end.

Subjects such as English, Art, and Theatre usually require one creative project and one, more critical or theoretical, essay.

>>5877878
>If she really doesn't like it, she should just become fat.

She already is.

>>5878090

> it's approaching people who clearly don't want to be bothered...
When is it women don't want to be bothered?

>it shouldn't have to be said that most people walking on the street are just trying to get somewhere and are not looking for socialization.
Some people enjoy taking walks and don't mind talking to people then.
If you're going to walk 1 hour around New York I think it's safe to assume you're not exactly in a hurry while you could get a number of different, faster transportations to get wherever else.

>On top of that, many catcalling comments are crude, offensive, and demeaning and the ones that aren't (like "have a nice day" or "how are you") are more often than not laced with a not so well hidden attempt at what you really want to say, which is "I want to fuck you".
Again, what is wrong with expressing sexual desire?

>How hard it is it to understand that if someone doesn't like you doing something to them, you stop?
How would you know whether someone you have never met is going to respond positively to your seduction attempts or not?
Obviously in smaller cities you'll keep meeting the same people and you'll get to evaluate their interests for you, but with a flow of strangers it's a one-shot deal.
Which also makes it harder to establish contact because you might just never encounter the same exact person randomly, making the necessity to achieve some type of goal as fast as possible.

>>5878109
>Most Feminist theorists are also Marxists and acknowledge that proletariat are being oppressed by the establishment.

Yeah, but the women who didn't work in the coal mine 12 hours a day, and were home making food and doing housework, were STILL more oppressed than the males who made shit wages and got lung cancer at the age of 45.

Probably because you realize you're wasting your life listening to a bunch of useless people apply "critical theory" to great works of literature by writers far more intelligent than them instead of pursuing a lucrative and rewarding career in STEM/the trades. Probably because you're too lazy for actual work that adds value to society.

- love, /sci/

>>5878097
So you're saying that we should start teaching men not to do something that won't even land them in jail while we're still incapable of teaching people to stop committing crime that will land them in jail?

Why would you expect that to be effective?

>>5878124
>what is wrong with expressing sexual desire?
What if I ejaculate on your trouser leg when you sit next to me on a bus? Is that okay because 'muh sexual desire'

>>5878131
It isn't about crime, it's about making other human beings feel safe.

>>5877902
>Overt sexual attention in a public space is a kind of oppression

lol.

>>5877902
>The video is a prime example of the sexual difference at play in real life,

The video doesn't show a difference, it only shows one gender.

>>5878129
>arrow detected

Hello :)

>>5878135
>What if I ejaculate on your trouser leg when you sit next to me on a bus? Is that okay because 'muh sexual desire'

When has anyone in this thread defended anything remotely like that? Come to think of it, when has anyone defended such an action?

>>5878129
>Probably because you're too lazy for actual work that adds value to society.
Why do you care so much about things that "add value to society"?

>>5878097
define "creep". Because in common parlance it's usually "anything that I define as creepy"

>>5878135
>What if I ejaculate on your trouser leg when you sit next to me on a bus? Is that okay because 'muh sexual desire'
That would be sexual assault.
That's a crime already, and we're already telling people not to commit crimes.

On the other hand, if you said "hello" to me in the bus, it would not be a crime, because talking to strangers isn't a crime. Yet.
That's why we're conversing now and you still haven't been thrown to the ground by agents of the all-seeing state.

>It isn't about crime, it's about making other human beings feel safe.
How do you plan to make that happen?
If teaching men not to catcall works, why not teach people not to steal and murder while you're at it?

I guess catcalling is a bigger deal than murder.

>>5877814
Look, I'm not a /pol/tard but I genuinely have a question about this video.

I recall the makers apologising for the "racism" that could be construed by the number of African-American people approaching the woman. Yet, why is this video used so strongly as a testament for male to female prejudice, but not more so for black men harassing women? I'm sorry if I missed the point here, but it feels as though the demographics being discussed referentially to this video are intentionally not as specific as they could be - objectively speaking. If the reasoning was to not vilify a large quantity of individuals, then why bother specifying gender at all? It could simply be a group of people making another person feel discomfort, and the issue could be focussed on under that interpretation.

>>5877394
Probably because the class doesn't talk about classical feminism that was built on egalitarianism or the very real repression that women are subjected to in the middle east/africa, but rather the type of radfem that middle class white girls feel the need to champion on tumblr or Jezebel/Gawker.

>>5877940
Ha, the Tumblr scum has fallen for the bait! You can't get away from me!

Wahahaha!

>>5878159
/thread

>>5878129
People on /lit/ are the only ones who complain about not choosing STEM subjects.

Don't speak for /sci/ they don't give a fuck what people elect to study.

>>5878135
>It isn't about crime, it's about making other human beings feel safe.

Translation: anything that i disagree with or that makes be even slightly uncomfortable needs to be banned. If you disagree, you're a racist, misogynist shitlord.

>>5878145
Yeah, why do you care so much if people just want to enjoy bread and circuses?

>>5878111
But men's inconveniences are very rarely a threat to their own safety likes women's inconveniences are.

>>5878124
>When is it women don't want to be bothered?
Maybe when it's an actual social situation, like a bar, or a club, or a party? People typically don't like to be bothered when they're doing things(going somewhere, studying, shopping by themselves, etc), this applies to both genders and not just women.

>Some people enjoy taking walks and don't mind talking to people then.

Where do you live? As someone who grew up in NYC, I can tell you right now that 99% of the people you see want nothing to do with anyone unless they actually need something, like directions or a taxi. The only openly social people you'll ever see here are tourists, transplants, or people looking to reel in tourists for attractions/tours.
>If you're going to walk 1 hour around New York I think it's safe to assume you're not exactly in a hurry while you could get a number of different, faster transportations to get wherever else.

NYC is expensive. Public transportation is 5 bucks just for a round trip. It's not unheard of for people to just walk places, and being able to walk to different facilities is one of the major draws of living in a city. Moving out of the city is not as easy as it sounds, since I know you'd suggest that next.

>Again, what is wrong with expressing sexual desire?
It's wrong because it makes people uncomfortable, and degrades them into a sex object/prostitute rather than a fellow human being. Women moreso because it carries implications of possible rape.

>How would you know whether someone you have never met is going to respond positively to your seduction attempts or not?

You don't, but you'd have to be pretty dense if you believe most people will respond positively to sexual advances from a complete stranger(unless they are at a club or whatever).

>post criticism of feminism
>"you're all just edgy frustrated teen bigot shitlords women have it much harder"

even on /lit/, where I thought rational discussion was possible

>>5878159
I don't understand how middle class white women can play up their supposed victimhood so much. Do women have no shame at all?

>>5878164
You're right, on /sci/ we just make fun of literature majors.

>>5878171
>But men's inconveniences are very rarely a threat to their own safety likes women's inconveniences are.

I guess workplace death statistics are a conspiracy of the patriarchy.

>>5878159
Fair to say the amount we can meaningfully do about the struggles of women in middle east/africa is zero, especially if it's just by spreading awareness. There are issues which can actually be affected by spreading awareness here.

>>5878172
>rational discussion

How are you adding to it, by posting a strawman and acting as the victim?

>>5878171
>But men's inconveniences are very rarely a threat to their own safety likes women's inconveniences are.

Vastly more men are assaulted and murdered than women

>Your face when you'll never have a girlfriend
>Your face when you'll never have to deal with women

>>5878171
>People typically don't like to be bothered when they're doing things(going somewhere, studying, shopping by themselves, etc), this applies to both genders and not just women.

Most men would be very happy if they got sexually/romantically forward attention from random at-least-somewhat-attractive women throughout the day.

>>5878159
Um, excuse you Anon. RUDE.

As a WOMAN and FEMINIST today I have to deal with much much more than anyone else does! I have recently had a pixie cut, and my uncle said I looked like a BOY. That's just the start.

Misogyny, prejudice and sexism are ingrained into society, you just don't understand because you're PRIVILEGED.

Also, as a female, I can't be sexist because sexism is defined as a cultural system. We can't be sexist because we have no system that benefits us.

>>5878172
>even on /lit/, where I thought rational discussion was possible

The problem is that feminism is literally the ideological representation of women's feelings, which is incidentally why feminists retort with "misogynist!" or "chauvinistic pig" if you disagree with them.

>>5878184
>Fair to say the amount we can meaningfully do about the struggles of women in middle east/africa is zero, especially if it's just by spreading awareness.
Tell that to Mother Teresa.
What issues do you still think need "awareness" here?

>>5878176
>love /sci/
>we
Does being a regular on a 4chan board make you feel more intelligent, and enlightened? Do you lack enough confidence to stand up on your own, without feigning the support of others?

>>5878183
Except those dangerous jobs are often chosen. There's nothing stopping a man from taking a cushy office job instead.

Women don't choose to be harassed.

>>5878190
Do you have a source? Google brings them up as being roughly equal or shows it varying depending on the type of assault/homicide.

>>5878145
Because the maintenance of western civilization is important.

I understand that if you're going through babbys-first-existential-crisis that you may disagree.

>>5877655
people don't see shy introverted girls unless they're hot. they're literally not acknowledged, where as the males are.

and I fucking doubt anyone called the author of that comic a creep or loser. I was shy and introverted in high school and I wasn't called fag because I was shy. it was because I terrorized popular kids

>>5878204
Oh man you really got me there with that armchair psychoanalysis, chief.

>>5878002
And homeless people begging for change and cigarettes makes me feel uncomfortable and unsafe every time I leave my home. I put in headphones and fucking deal with it, because that's what living in a civilized society is about, tolerance.

>>5878202
>Mother Theresa

Read up on her

>>5878215
>people don't see shy introverted girls unless they're hot. they're literally not acknowledged, where as the males are.

You have to be trolling. I am a male and I am extremely introverted, and most people hate me because of it. That's not a gender issue, people just don't like introversion in general you stupid idiot.

Being a woman in America is living life on easy mode, to be honest.

There's too many simps willing to acquiesce to feminist white-knight phaggotry for a whiff of pussy.

This thread pretty much proves it.

>>5878171
>But men's inconveniences are very rarely a threat to their own safety likes women's inconveniences are.
Men are more likely to be the victims of violence than women when they go out in the street.

>Maybe when it's an actual social situation, like a bar, or a club, or a party?
So men should only ever talk to women in that situation?
Not in restaurants, not during breaks in the work place, not in parks on the weekends, not while doing sports together?
Should eye contact be allowed?

>Where do you live?
Paris.
> I can tell you right now that 99% of the people you see want nothing to do with anyone unless they actually need something, like directions or a taxi.
Sounds about right, so you don't mind preventing tourists from talking with one another?
Just like women must cover themselves in Saudi Arabia, male tourists should not be allowed to talk to women in NYC, even female tourists.

>Public transportation is 5 bucks just for a round trip.
I don't see how people who make less than 5 bucks an hour can live in NY.

>Moving out of the city is not as easy as it sounds, since I know you'd suggest that next.
It really isn't that hard.

>It's wrong because it makes people uncomfortable
Who are we talking about? Children?
Humans are sexual, get over it.

>and degrades them into a sex object/prostitute rather than a fellow human being.
Humans are sexual.
Get over it.

>Women moreso because it carries implications of possible rape.
>expression of sexual desire carries implications of possible rape
>expression of consuming desire carries implications of possible robbery
>expression of dislike carries implications of possible murder
>expression of dissent carries implications of possible coup
Guess we should just throw all the political opponents in jail then, those terrorists.

>You don't, but you'd have to be pretty dense if you believe most people will respond positively to sexual advances from a complete stranger(unless they are at a club or whatever).
So you're advocating eugenics?
Obviously the people who catcall aren't the smartest. Still, it's a little harsh to say we should eliminate all African-Americans just because you're too sensitive to be around them.

>>5878234
All women in America have lives on easy mode?

>>5878227
Yeah when I posted her I knew it was a bad example. I thought she spread ideas about female education and women receiving more say in home life, not just the whole "condoms are a sin against God" stuff in India and Africa.
Public health majors then, they work towards educating women across the world. The US government spends millions funding schools and programs overseas in those countries.

>>5878215
ever been to r9k or wizardchan? those guys get ALL the attention, am i right

>>5878240
Easier than a man of equivalent socioeconomic status, yes.

Probably because you want to learn about literature and not about gender politics. Granted, when a gender issue comes up in a story it's worth talking about but when the discussion becomes that issue or gender politics just generally then you're just not doing what the class is about anymore.

Gender politics so quickly annoys me because it always seems to devolve into some kind of /v/ style console war where sides and loyalty matters more than issues and realities. Can we get fucking past this shit already, please?

>>5878184
>We're starting with the easiest issue first, and working our way up to tackle the big ones, guys!
Hang on a sec:
>I'm only focussing on the problems that I perceive to be imminently disadvantaging me. My 'unique' societal purview rarely extends beyond myself, but men have done that for centuries, so I'm historically justifiable.
Fixed it for ya.

>>5878207
>Except those dangerous jobs are often chosen. There's nothing stopping a man from taking a cushy office job instead.
There's nothing stopping women from becoming CEO or President of the United States, yet feminists complain about the wage gap and political under-representation.

>>5878234
This post absolutely reeks of fedora.

>>5878250
Well, that's not what you said but OK.
What reason do you have to think that?

>>5878260
you use "fedora" as some tumblr catchall for socially awkward misogynist but the reality is I probably have more experience with women than you do

enjoy defending feminist honor on fucking 4chan of all places. SIMPIN AINT EASY

On the one hand, we're all bored, suspicious, and annoyed with feminists. On the other hand, boredom/annoyance aren't great criteria for outright dismissal.

It's really a shame. Lots of people seem to use feminism as an excuse to be an asshole to other people. It's the modern outlet for what used to be Puritan moralizing.

>>5878255
Don't forget the anecdotal evidence.

Can't forget my bullshit stories that objectively prove everything.

>>5877394
How much do they discuss it? Whenever it is discussed I don't really care, but the discussions only last about a week, and then we move on. Do yours last like weeks?

>>5878259
Of course not, but most women who aim for such positions aren't taken seriously and many of them are too weak to get past the initial "wimmen cant do this job XD" bullying.

Although, that said, you're quite silly if you think we still don't live in a world where a women running for president will have people not voting for her simply due to her gender.

>>5878273
>I held Stacy's hand in third period math. Suck it dweeb.

>>5878285
>most women who aim for such positions aren't taken seriously

Probably has to do with
>and many of them are too weak

>>5878275
>Lots of people seem to use feminism as an excuse to be an asshole to other people

This is true. But feminists use their ideology to legislate new laws which benefit women at the expense of men, which is vastly different than being an asshole.

You can ignore an asshole. You can't ignore the monopoly of violence.

>>5878285
people won't vote for candidates because of all sorts of stupid reasons. People are less likely to vote for candidates with beards, do we need beardism?

>>5878275
Puritan moralizing and feminism share the same roots.
Woman psychology.
Puritanism is all about maximizing female comfort while minimizing the actual amount of sex women have to provide.
It also obviously entails bans on male fun like alcohol or gambling as to maximize the amount of work a woman can extract from a man.
The same logic is at play in the ban on prostitution pushed by feminists in most western countries.

>>5878268
Because barring familial connections or very strong persuasion skills, a man will always have to work for socioeconomic status where a woman can get it by simply marrying into it or exploiting her sex appeal.

>>5878285

Who cares. People can be sexist if they want - it may be irrational, but that's not a reason for laws against it. Paternalistic, much?

>>5878196
>Also, as a female, I can't be sexist because sexism is defined as a cultural system. We can't be sexist because we have no system that benefits us.

This one gets me every time.

>>5878285
Oh so there are factors behind the lack of women in CEO positions, it's not just individual choices?

And you don't see factors behind the predominantly male shit jobs?
I guess men just choose to work shit, dangerous jobs.
Just like men choose to pay for prostitutes instead of just getting free sex.

>>5877440
Who the fuck didn't eat too much sugar as a kid? When you're a kid it's all about that sugar. Then as you forget about that and it's all about that pussy.

>>5877578
this

Is there anyone here who seriously has any issue with feminism and isn't just annoyed by posturing?

>>5878305
>People can be sexist if they want - it may be irrational, but that's not a reason for laws against it.

I'm not sure if you're referring to job discrimination or just everyday on the street discourse. If the former then top kek but if the latter then yeah some elements of radfem clash pretty harshly with traditional liberal notions of free speech.

>>5878312
No, men are pushed into more dangerous jobs than women because the male gender is seen as "stronger" and "more capable." Why wouldn't a feminist argue for more freedom to choose your job, regardless of your gender?

>>5878302
Oh brother, you really are a moron

>>5878294
is this you

>>5878326
I seriously doubt that there are many people who disagree with the dictionary definition of feminism. Tumblr feminism is something else entirely.

>>5878327
>I'm not sure if you're referring to job discrimination

Not him, but there is, in reality, nothing you can do about a man who won't employ people he doesn't like. How on Earth can you possibly prove that someone didn't employ a person because they were a woman or black, unless they flat out tell you?

>>5878331
>I can't prove him wrong
>I can't deny that it happens either
>Better just call him a moron to save face!

>>5878330

Men aren't 'pushed' into anything. Men do more dangerous jobs because they're physically constituted to do so: the element of force that you're implying just doesn't exist.

>>5878327

I'm referring to both - why would I pay the same amount of money to women as men, when one comes with a gaping, bleeding hole, and the other doesn't?

If I get defective goods I'm not paying full price snm

>>5878332
>...like me...!

I'm pretty sure that picture is a joke, but someone wouldn't want feminism because of too much history being written by white men, they would want feminism because too much society is controlled by white men, which isn't something strange for a white man to disagree with.

>>5878335
That doesn't mean there shouldn't be legislation protecting workers from discrimination, because even if it's not easy to prove, the cases where it does help someone make it a worthwhile cause.

>>5878330
>Why wouldn't a feminist argue for more freedom to choose your job, regardless of your gender?

Because clearly what a feminist means when she says "freedom to choose your job", is becoming a CEO of a Fortune 500 company, and not working as a dumpster-truck driver.

Feminists don't really want equality, so much as they want to exchange the claimed privileged position men have, with women instead.

>>5877655
I'm so god damn molded into the mindset of, "manning up" that I can't imagine not thinking that. I'm embracing the suffering and the universe will explode when I stop.

>>5878330
>Why wouldn't a feminist argue for more freedom to choose your job, regardless of your gender?
Because feminists don't care that women don't choose the hard jobs, feminists are only concerned about the comfy academia jobs that still require actual merit to get in.
Feminists also don't care about violence against men, that's why the bill is called Violence Against Women Act, not Domestic Violence Act or Violence Against People Act.

Feminism is not a revolutionary political movement, feminism is the women are wonderful effect applied to politics.

All societies effectively cushion their women from war and violence, but the western world has taken the most pernicious road of pretending to believe that women are equal to men while simultaneously needing all sorts of subsidized legs-up.

>>5878285
What even is this post?
>most women who aim for such positions aren't taken seriously
Everybody who aims to be the President of the United States isn't taken seriously. I don't think there has been a single candidate thus far, who, prior to even starting a political career, genuinely set "national presidency" as a goal. It's very similar for being a CEO, as well.
>many of them are too weak to get past the initial "wimmen cant do this job XD" bullying.
When you get into the further echelons of a career path, people genuinely stop caring about that nonsense. You most often have a track record to be judged by, as opposed to your physical attributes, and that holds far more weight than anything else. If women, or anybody, are too weak to survive against the initial climate set before you - when aiming for a very lucrative and rare position - they simply shouldn't be there. I would imagine that the years of immensely hard work, late nights, confined social life, and taxing living conditions are going to dissuade someone more-so than the most bland and basic discrimination.
>a women running for president will have people not voting for her simply due to her gender.
And many people would vote for her based on that same merit. Look at Obama now, he's black, and you could argue that there were plenty of people who voted both for and against him on that fact. The difference being that women comprise far more of the United States population than the African-American "12% and dropping" statistic.

>>5878337
Yup, any poor woman can just go out and marry a man of higher status and her problems are solved.
That's how it works, life on easy mode.

This is your belief, calling you a moron is just quicker

>>5878344
Fair enough, but you should understand what I mean.

It's pretty clear to me that if an employer employs a man instead of a woman who is pregnant, he's being pragmatic and not discriminating, it is, after all not his fault that the woman got knocked up, and neither is it his fault that the human species is sexually dimorphized.

>>5878334
Tumblr feminism isn't feminism really feminism, it's posturing. Most of this thread is people getting upset/giving their views on what, by definition, isn't feminism

>>5878326
I almost rage quit a documentary on radfem in women's shelters in Sweden earlier today. Not in thread, but Jesus Christ, the woman conducting the documentary was asking government officials about when these two paranoid whack jobs had kidnapped a sixteen year old and taken her to Norway with the official's help.
The official's response was to cut the documentary short so her colleagues did not lose face, refuse to talk about the kidnapping, and parted with her saying to the documenter that she would not get help from a shelter if she ever was a victim of violence herself.
Könskriget was the name of the documentary if you want to see some radfem girl on girl bullying justified by their belief in Satan.

>>5878343
>they would want feminism because too much society is controlled by white men, which isn't something strange for a white man to disagree with
Why isn't it strange?
Why would you want the worst runner to win the race?

>>5878343
>which isn't something strange for a white man to disagree with.
It is. People who campaign against their own interests are hilarious, like poor rednecks who vote republican.

It's especially hilarious when you realize that male feminism is pathetic begging for table scraps.

>>5878362
Yeah I don't see anything wrong with that. We're probably in agreement somewhat.

>>5878365
>affirmative action and female-only scholarships are tumblr feminism
>hillary clinton is a tumblr feminist

>>5878343
>too much society is controlled by white men

too much society is controlled by bourgeois. another example of feminists ignoring class.

>>5878365
>Tumblr feminism isn't feminism really feminism, it's posturing. Most of this thread is people getting upset/giving their views on what, by definition, isn't feminism

You'd be surprised at how much of that "posturing", is now mainstream. Maybe you should do some more research.

>>5878355
Not anymore. Feminism kind of ruined that for women.

>>5878380
Nothing frustrates me more than feminists who are capitalist apologists.

>>5878260
When I doubt call call someone who disagrees with you a fedora. If you went outside you'd know about white knights and how annoying they can be. That has nothing to do with a type of hat that has to do with some motherfucker desperate for pussy and putting his morals behind for it.

>>5878332
Nope, but nice try bud.

I love how I'm caught in your anti-feminist cross-hair, as though someone disagreeing with the vocalised autism you spout makes them a feminist. When in actual fact your argument thus far has been retarded, and you only support it via "gurls are on my dik so hurd".

/pol/lution please go.

Reminder that male feminists are betas who think they'll get laid if they militantly campaign for feminism.

>>5878355
Are you seriously denying that women don't leverage their sexuality for tangible benefits?

If so, you're delusional and probably don't live in the real world.

>>5878381
Example..?

>>5878369
Bourgeois society isn't about "winning the race"

>>5878380
>too much society is controlled by bourgeois
I meant this by "white men", "bourgeois" just wouldn't sound as profound in my argument.

>>5878380

>oh no, society is controlled by the people who are best placed to control it

Commies: like feminists but more annoying

>>5878393
'Am i seriously saying something I didn't say'

No, no I'm not

>>5878398
"white men" and "bourgeois" are not interchangable. There are plenty of white, male homeless people, and there are plenty of non-white, non-male bourgeois.

LE EBIN NECKBEARD PERMAVIRGIN MEME IF YOU LE DISAGREE

Getting real tired of this shitty ad hominem.

>>5878396
Shirtgate for example. The scientist who worked on the space mission to the asteroid just recently, and he was publicly humiliated and had to apologize to a horde of butthurt feminazis, who just can't handle a man wearing a shirt with half-naked anime cartoon characters.

>>5878409
7/10, try to work cuck or fedora in there too.

>>5878402
Okay, and I didn't say that women's problems are solved by getting married.

Just that women have it easier than a man of equivalent socioeconomic status.

>>5878398
The kind of jobs that provide power are competitive, winners get the job, losers whine about the winner-o-cracy.

>>5877394
Because it's simply the Schools of Resentment trying to push their political ideology.
A feminist critique of Shakespeare will teach you only feminism and nothing at all about Shakespeare.

>>5878343
Nah, I know people like that. Well, one anyway.

>>5878348

It means being an idiot really.

Most successful interaction comes from not overthinking shit.
And that's just the flaw is of most intelligent people, never ceasing to scrutinize.

inb4 le autist joke

>>5878380
I might be biased, but I feel class inequality is so much more important. Most of the West seems to hinge off of success stories, of how one person worked hard and made it big, while simultaneously ignoring everyone else who tried and failed. It looks impossible to move up a class, and dangerously close to hit rock bottom.

At least there is comradery amongst other demographics, whether they be gender, sexual or ethnic. People without money would eat each other for the twinkle of success.

>I don't agree with the core ideas of today's feminism
>FUCK YOU /pol/TARD GO BACK TO /pol/ YOU FUCKING IGNORANT /pol/STER THIS IS WHY MOOT DESTROYED YOU'RE BOARD BECAUSE /pol/ IS SUCH A SHITHOLE AND SO ARE YOU /pol/ /pol/ pollpo olpl poplp opl pol!!!!! pol!!!!!!
-/lit/ 2014

Feminism is as revolutionary today as any identity politics bunk.

Not at all.

>>5878393
>Are you seriously denying that women don't leverage their sexuality for tangible benefits?
Not all women can, and for most of the ones that do, it's not exactly like they are afforded great security and prosperity.

I'm a feminist but this is true
>>5878424

If you really want to learn an ideology; especially one that doesn't favor your demographic, best be learnin' it on your own or you're gonna feel like shit.

>>5878431
This is part of what annoys me about feminists. Capitalism and class issues are hugely important right now (the recession, austerity, income inequality, the rising cost of living, unemployment, neoliberalism, etc), but so much of the left's energy is focused on these superficial identity politics issues.

>>5877669
>Walk down the street, work in an office, raise a family as a woman. See how it suits you
None of those are issues at all for people in homogeneous countries without MENA scum and other assorted imported bourgeoise pets.

>>5878441
Jokes man. Nobody is guaranteed great security and prosperity these days, it's 2014.

Cry me a river if I don't feel sympathy for a woman whose qualifications for work are "bats eyelashes" and simultaneously "blogs about social justice"

>>5878452
>but so much of the left's energy is focused on these superficial identity politics issues.

Funny thing is, none of the things you mentioned has been, or will ever be cured by the left's attention. The Left tried to remove capitalism, but they failed every time and a lot of repression, death and misery came from it.

>>5878400
>Hereditary wealth and dynastic power is something I agree with.

Capitalists: people stuck in between the elite and the plebs, with generationally refreshed desire to join the former. Thinking that their actual skills will carry them, more than their surname, they maintain a stalwart defence against Red Star blood sucking bandits and thieves.

>>5878439

“It [feminism] is mixed up with a muddled idea that women are free when they serve their employers but slaves when they help their husbands.”
― G.K. Chesterton

Feminism as a political affiliation is liberal, reactionary, and essentialist and feminism as an academic discipline is arbitrary and too ambiguous to be useful.

>>5878461
I'd say that the labor movement of the late 19th and early to mid 20th century was a success. Same with the New Deal.

I agree that 20th century communism was a disaster, though.

>>5878462
I like how you ignore all the rags to riches stories that have happened even in the last 20 years (see: silicon valley)

There is nothing wrong with hereditary wealth and it sounds like you're just butthurt you didn't have a (larger) trust fund.

Stay poor.

>>5878452
>but so much of the left's energy is focused on these superficial identity politics issues.
Because that's all the left is for anymore, that and supporting bourgeoise internationalism.
The white working class are now firmly in the camp of the nationalists as a result of the Left's anti-europeanism, pro-globalism and sickening identity politics.

>>5878474
>I'd say that the labor movement of the late 19th and early to mid 20th century was a success. Same with the New Deal.

Only reason they had some measure of success is because they can function within a framework of capitalism.

>>5878471
An important note on that, though; is that one job is paid and one is done in free service unless the husband pays them. Which isn't the norm.
So one form of work has monetary value and one does not. The two dif types of work happen to be gendered. See the issue?

>>5878456
Do you really think batting eyelashes and blogging is going to carry you any further than a secretarial job?
Most workplaces are still professional at their core, just because a woman gets hired here or there for a desk job doesn't mean they are going to be promoted, ever. At some point, you have to make it on your skill and capability in most fields.

>>5878486
Pretty much. Mixed economies are the GOAT and only loser ideologues will deny this.

>>5878484
Yup. People wonder why the far right is doing so well in Europe, it's because the left abandoned the working class a long time ago. They don't even pay lip service to the white working class anymore.

>>5878492
I'm pretty sure husbands don't let their wife go hungry but maybe I'm wrong.

>>5878483
You mean those "once in a blue moon" rags to riches stories? You mean how the streets are lined with thousands of people who failed to achieve just that, despite how hard they worked? You mean those stories that happened nearly a century ago, before the USA was firmly rooted in its dynasty?

Oh wait, let me guess "they could have worked harder, they could have put more effort in."

Mr Buchanan, pls

>>5877394
either they are being unfair and not "feminist" or you have some shit to sort out with yourself.

>>5878514
A meritocracy is not based on hard work. I can see why you think this.

>>5878500
The problem with this is that they're still capitalist, and capitalism always functions to consolidate and increase the power of the bourgeois, look at the way they have done so since the 1970s in the United States.

>>5878531
>capitalism always functions to consolidate and increase the power of the bourgeois
And why is this a bad thing? Maybe the bourgeoisie are better equipped to manage that power?

how do you feel about your mother?

>>5878542
Do you really think that going back to the Gilded Age or to the Dickensian era is a good thing? It was absolutely horrible for the vast majority of the population.

>>5877394
Because it's all bullshit and lies.

>>5878542

>feudalism always functions to consolidate and increase the power of aristocracy and priesthood

And why is this a bad thing? Maybe noblemen and priests are sanctioned by God to manage that power?

>>5878543
she sexy af

>>5878552
No, which is why I specified that mixed economies are superior.

It doesn't mean that I think that proles should have the same socioeconomic status as elites -- inventors, leaders and entrepreneurs.

Income inequality is an incentive for progress, but too much income inequality creates shitholes.

What is it with communists and false dichotomies?

>>5877814
The people who interpret this as opression are literally retarded. What is happening here is men trying to get laid with someone they perceive as attractive and a woman rejecting them. There's no sexual assault, no attack whatsoever; it's nature taking it's course in the middle of a highly developed society who tries to view everything through the lens of ideology

If this wasn't being filmed and a 10/10 male model tier approached her, she would give him a full smile and would listen to whatever shitty line he would deliver as if it was the most beautiful poetry in the world.

Modern feminism is not about equality, its about a group wanting the monopoly of oppresion; they want to be the only victims of the world, they want to have the authority to determine who is the bad guy as who is the good guy.

>>5878175
>Do women have no shame at all?

Are you asking the question for real anon?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zr162OZ2Z0w

>>5878555
False equivalancy. Free market capitalism is not feudalism.

Fuck yourself.

>>5878542

Have you seen Earth lately?

>>5878605

>free market capitalism is basically nature

Alright Friedman.

>>5878594
And I stated that mixed economies cannot last because of the nature of capitalism. One only needs to look at how inequality has been rising in the past 30 or so years to realize this.

>>5878605
and communism isn't the soviet union :^)

>>5878595
>what is happening here is men trying to get laid with someone they perceive as attractive

and in that context and at that frequency; it's annoying and harassing enough to make walking on a public street unpleasant.
Why don't you see a problem with men trying to get laid 100% of the time in 100% of contexts? all people are saying is; time and a place. It really is inappropriate behavior in certain circumstances.

>junior year
>we read jane eyre, the scarlet letter, and hedda gabler in a row

probably the most boring time i had ever spent in high school english

>>5878618
Perhaps, but the role of government in a mixed economy is to intervene and prevent that inequality from being too high to point of being socially toxic, provide a social safety net, etc. See: The New Deal

I'm not a friedmanite, I just don't want to live in the other extreme -- a communist shithole where entrepreneurship is seen as morally repugnant and "the people" make every decision. Given that you're using a personal computer (technology that came about via the intersection of public works and capitalism) and posting on a mongolian moving pictures board, it's pretty hard to disagree.

>>5878508
being provided for is not the same as having monetary freedom w your earned wages.

Head out of your ass, please

>>5878659

>being provided for is not the same as having monetary freedom w your earned wages

Oh right, it's a given men do that.

Way to ascribe stereotypical gender roles to men, misandrist.

>>5878657
>Given that you're using a personal computer (technology that came about via the intersection of public works and capitalism)

Because you were born into a society and have no control over its development up to that point, you have to endorse it?

>>5878631
>>5878618
"True communism" cannot last because of the nature of people. One only needs to look at the atrocities committed in the 20th century to realize this.

>>5878689
>One only needs to look at the atrocities committed in the 20th century to realize this.

this is the result of rationalism or rather a misunderstanding of its application to the human race

hmm

>>5878683
Well, you're welcome to go live on a anarcho-primitivist commune if you don't really want to realize the benefits that capitalism has brought your life. I'm sure you'll find it very enlightening lesson on comparative advantage :^)

>>5878657
>Perhaps, but the role of government in a mixed economy is to intervene and prevent that inequality from being too high to point of being socially toxic, provide a social safety net, etc

Wouldn't you agree that the New Deal and the gains made me the labor movement have been steadily eroded since the 1970s? Inequality is eventually going to get out of hand in a capitalist system unless you put severe limits on the power of capitalists, or have an equally powerful force working against them. I mean, the welfare state is pretty sweet, but it's a historical anomaly that only happened due to a unique combination of factors.

I'd like to see a market socialism system put in place TBH.

>>5878654
Why are you singling out men while you could be singling out coloured men from an impoverished background?

>>5878692
lyl

Sexist bikes bro. Bike seats and helmets are tools used by cisgender patriarchal oppressors!

>>5878689

M U H H U M A N N A T U R E

Because its a non important issue that gets too much attention from all sides

>>5878703
personally i wouldn't talk about capitalist modernity like it's a permanent, sustainable thing :^)

>>5878717
Well, why are you still here posting on 4chan? Put your money where you mouth is and go learn to grow turnips or some shit.

>>5878227
Mother LETTHEMSUFFERFORGOD Theresa

>>5878715
>actually denying human nature
imagine, it's 2014 and people are still buying into the blank slate theory

>>5878727
Probably male feminists, too. LEL

>>5878721
false dichotomy, man

just because we don't want to go live in the woods doesn't mean capitalism is perfect

>womynz are oppressed because all men initiate contact with them for sexual intercourse :(
>but women do this as well
>not all women are like that!
This is why I can't take feminism seriously, the strongest arguments you guys have are still fucking laughable.

>>5878734
No shit. Which is why mixed economies are the greatest and best thing we have.

Thanks for proving my point.

>>5878721
your response doesn't make any sense

>>5878744
Sure it does. He says that "capitalist modernity isn't sustainable" which implies we will regress to some point when capitalist modernity was not the prevalent paradigm, i.e. before the industrial revolution. So I ask him why he isn't preparing for a lifetime of subsistence agriculture if he believes this to be the case?

I'd rape every bitch in this thread.


no lube

>>5878791
Nigga how u gonna rape yourself bro? You already fuck yourself consensually every day

>>5877929
as >>5878067 pointed out pretty well, there's pros and cons for both parties. "women as recipients, men as initiators" is an ancient script that colours a lot of what we do - women are often lazier, more self-entitled, manipulative, and passive than men while men are often more violent, competitive, power-hungry and domineering than women, as a result.

recognising that most people are just playing out these biological and cultural scripts (or "spooks") takes a lot of steam out of these discussions

>>5878901
>spooks

Stirner thread?

Feminist idealism is likely very difficult to sell to the average woman, for they would rather keep the benefits of being gendered female while eliminating the detriments than to fully eliminate gender. This does require that men retain some of their traditional roles too.

Plus I really can't get behind any of these modern egalatarian movements; they all reek of slave morality.

Probably because feminism is only a theory but is taught as fact. It can be a useful perspective to consider but that's not how it's taught. It's taught as an irrefutable truth that is above critique. It is closer to a religion than a theoretical framework: you must join the church of feminism and repent your sins as a man or you are doomed to being labeled a misogynist.

If you're anything like me you hate being told to accept something as divine truth without being permitted to question or have reasonable academic discourse about it. If you're like me being told you have to believe something only pushes you away from it even if you would've otherwise agreed with parts of it.

>>5877841
>Believing in empirical evidence
>Why bother? Just blame the Jews

/pol/ threads.

>>5879172
>Having an online persona
>on a communist image board

Memetrips.

>>5877922
A Girl will want you to make it seem like fucking her never crossed your mind but also be nice to her.

>>5877814
opinion discarded you fucking trash