/lit/ - Literature

>>5888750
Schopenhauer and Stirner'll set you right, especially The Ego And Its Own

No book, but let me give you some important things to remember.

1. Humans are not storybook characters. A human can fall in love and out of love just as quickly. A human who is attracted to you one minute, can find something unattractive about the next. Someone might be in the mood and you're just there at the right moment, and then when they're out of that mood it's like being sober after being drunk. Someone might like you a lot, and then find someone else soon after.

2. Because of one, this means you are not committed. Do not consider any relationship "serious" until you have been dating for a while.

3. Women are like birds. We don't want you chasing us throwing seeds at us. If we're handing around, offer us some seed, make it clear you're offering. If we come to eat, don't expect that means we want to be your pet. If we sniff and leave, let us go. If we taste a bit and leave, let us go. If we eat and leave, let us go, we might come back later. Don't panic, don't act desperate, just be relaxed and considerate.

>>5888754
do they talk about how to be less of a pussy? with this girl she was all into me until i gave in. once i gave in she lost interest. because i stopped being a challenge? think that's needed, you can't give yourself over easily

>>5888761
We want you to give in easily for sex, it does not make you attractive if you don't give in (to us, giving in to every woman doesn't necessarily make you more attractive). Now giving into the romantic lovey dovey shit, that's another story, because we might be in a romantic mood and then afterwards feel awkward about it and try to detach ourselves from you if you reciprocated too much. So just play it cool with romance, even if we lose our heads.

>>5888760
Apart from some slight irrational disquiet I have with your specific analogy, I agree completely.
Complete nonchalance is the best way to go.

>>5888761
No (well, Ego and its Own does a bit), but they do talk about /why/ you should be less of a pussy.
Which is all the more important, since, having understanding, you will be able to act properly and not just as a puppet of whatever flavor-of-the-month pickup-artist's ideology you've... just picked up.

>>5888760
i appreciate this. it's so true.

any advice on getting over someone who you crushed out on? i wrote her really stupid letters spilling my spaghetti (after being pretty well put together in person with her) it was after that i couldn't get a straight answer out of her (besides the silence implying she's lost interest)

i think because she was so coy and not revealing why she was "letting me go" that my brain went into override trying to find why...

>>5888775
>Apart from some slight irrational disquiet I have with your specific analogy
But you're recommending Schopenhauer, who is really kinda meant to women.

>>5888778
>any advice on getting over someone who you crushed out on?
That's a symptom of youth more than anything, but as long as you're young the best option is find another love interest ASAP. Failing that, get a hobby that consumes you and doesn't remind you of that girl.

>>5888771
thanks, that makes sense.
but it seems i'm the one losing my head, she stayed composed. she let it slip one time that she wanted me to come over but retracted it, and i didn't push it because i had shit to do early in the morning and couldn't fuck her at 2am (should've though because that work shit turned out be a waste of time)

>>5888760
i panicked and i acted desperate (because the sex was great and she was my type)

>>5888778
>i think because she was so coy and not revealing why she was "letting me go" that my brain went into override trying to find why...
Oh, and, uh, to answer this, it could be any number of reasons. It could be that you stank, or that she noticed you had bad teeth, or that someone told her something about you that wasn't flattering, or just something you said that put her off, or she found another guy, or it could just be a mood (50% of the time it is).

However, if you expressed strong feelings for her, that was almost surely it. She panicked about being so close so quickly, and so politely detached herself.

Your best bet is to be very friendly in a clearly non-romantic way. Be extremely friendly when you greet her or see, DO NOT CALL OR TEXT HER. Make casual conversation, don't ask her out or try to put moves on her. If you do this for a while, she'll realize you aren't a plz respond autist, and someone whom she doesn't have to worry about feeling pressured to be in a relationship with. Then she might warm back up....if she does, SHE will be the one who makes the first move toward getting back together. This MIGHT happen, do not depend on it, and do not try to initiate.

>>5888781
Sorry, I meant the specific phrasing of it (birds, sniffing, tasting), not the analogy itself. I just irrationally find something... I don't know, inelegant? about it.
Functionally though, it's perfect, and I commend you and apologise.
>Recommending Schopenhauer
...is this a problem? I mean, I don't agree with him (about women at least, or insofar that they are somehow different to men it his regard) but I think reading him would do OP much good.

>>5888786
This, so much.
You could even try reading!

>>5888786
i'm 30, she's 24. spaghetti was already spilled. she lives in another town if i didn't have that spillage she might've still remained in contact. now she has my heart in those email and she's not responding. (did i mention i'm naive and stupid about dating yet?)

ovid's ars amatoria

>>5888760
ay bby u wan eat my seed

>>5888799
Wow, you must be really inexperienced to be getting like that at 30. No offense, sweetie.

I'd forget about her. You've spaghetti'd so hard it would at least a year of acting regular to fix, even if it can be fixed.

>>5888797
any chance i can get your contact or something, i've got no one else to talk to this about right now and you're dropping pearls

>>5888804
No, but ty anyway, Mr. Anon.

>>5888803
deep into that already, thanks though

>>5888808
>any chance I could get your contact or something.
Jesus, anon, this is what she's talking about.

>>5888760
>3. Women are like birds. We don't want you chasing us throwing seeds at us. If we're handing around, offer us some seed, make it clear you're offering. If we come to eat, don't expect that means we want to be your pet. If we sniff and leave, let us go. If we taste a bit and leave, let us go. If we eat and leave, let us go, we might come back later. Don't panic, don't act desperate, just be relaxed and considerate.
dude did i just fucking read that

>>5888808
I really don't think so. Sorry. :(

>>5888815
Guess you did, ayy lmao ;~;
Do you have a problem with the goodly Canon's analogy?

>>5888806
none taken and yup tell me about it :(
feeling prettty prettty stupid and naive right now
long term gf and narrow social circle makes for a retardation like mine

>>5888824
**anon's

>>5888825
It's okay, probably a lot of it is you're just lonely and want to matter to someone. You CAN, you CAN MATTER VERY DEEPLY ANON. Nonetheless I urge you to remember that mattering very deeply to a woman, in an enduring way, is something that takes a long time to cultivate. A woman might process her love for you in a week, easy, but it's not actual love because it can leave just as fast. Only when you've been going steady with a woman for a couple of months can you start to build enduring feelings, and actual love love takes at least six months.

>>5888814
what am i going to try to pick her up online, on 4chan? after revealing what a retard i am to her?

it can be on anon/pseudo chat server i'm not asking for her address, i should've made that clearer

>>5888832
you're a good egg, thanks again
priceless info for this autist

>>5888835
To look for a relationship remember this: don't put all your eggs in one basket. Talk to as many women and get as many numbers as you can. Because even if a woman gives you her number, she might change her mind about a date or gfnd someone else before you call. And even if she goes out with you, she might very well not find you her type or want to go out again.

A lot of guys will only focus on one would at a time, they get invested. Don't be that guy. Trust me, you will feel better when a woman doesn't work out if you know you have another date lined up the next day. Do not get invested in any one woman. Then, when you're lucky, and some sparks start sticking with a particular woman, you can stop dating the others and start focusing on the special one.

Even if you've been having sex, this does not make you a heel. Trust me, the other women are probably having sex with other men. Do not expect monogamy from a woman you're dating until, you know, you've actually got something firmly serious going on. Otherwise you're just setting yourself up to be despondent, because at any time she might drop you for someone else she's dating.

>>5888760
>3. Women are like birds. We don't want you chasing us throwing seeds at us. If we're handing around, offer us some seed, make it clear you're offering. If we come to eat, don't expect that means we want to be your pet. If we sniff and leave, let us go. If we taste a bit and leave, let us go. If we eat and leave, let us go, we might come back later. Don't panic, don't act desperate, just be relaxed and considerate.

pretty bad analogy

people feed birds to feed birds. they dont have to stick around

people attract women to have sex

I had my heart all smashed to pieces at the start of this year and was having a tough time getting over it, so I just dropped everything I had going on, quit my job, etc., picked up my backpack and went travelling. That constant state of seeing new things and meeting new people and being occupied with new experiences all day everyday was a great antidote to me - and if you've ever travelled solo before then you'll know how easy it is to get laid. It may sound uncouth but shagging around really pulled me out of the doldrums, renewed my self-confidence and assured me that there were other women out there for me. The knowledge that you are in fact attractive to many women and that you always have options makes it a lot easier to act with dignity and self-possession when trying to court a woman you consider girlfriend material.

>>5888844
this is all gold anon thanks, screenshotting your posts.
pls continue if you have anything else for me

>>5888857
>>5888857
great option if youre an attractive middle class guy

>>5888865
**white non-ugly middle class guy

>>5888750
Just reject the modern world, it's a shit BNW.

>>5888857
thanks anon, another good perspective

>>5888868
You were right the first time :^)

>>5888872
that's what i've been doing anon. that's why i'm so naive about all this shit. this girl though, sex was so good she made me care about the world, 'if she's in this world it must be good'

>>5888855
i think it still holds though, you can attract people in a nonchalant way (it's the only way that works for me actually, and it's how i got to be with the girl in question)

not sure if you ever attempted to get close to a bird (the animal) but the analogy makes ever more sense, because to get close to a wild animal you have to have this serenity and no-agenda about you. which is exactly what works with girls and what the anon was trying to convey i think. and it's a good attitude to have in life in general, it feels light.

Stop valuing sex and women. There are more important things.

>>5888760

I like a girl a lot and i keep noticing her looking at me, when i purposely look back she smiles and says hi and then we both turn away .
But whenever she talks to me i get all upty and when i talk to her she gets awkward with me and sometimes ignores me when i say something like her name or something minor.

What do i do '/Lit/ Dating ' help!

>>5888914
like the illumunati and cocaine

>>5888917
Ignore her, she is a distraction. Go read a book instead.

>>5888921
>>5888921


But Anon, I'm always reading . Its when i notice her glancing over at me the most . Maybe she just thinks I'm weird

>>5888914
Man that's the thing, before this girl I haven't valued those things, I'm 30 and the girl who is 24 was wiser than me about the whole sit. She made me reevaluate everything in my life and the point is not sex or women but love, love of myself in all parts, I got completly cleansed and elated by it.

>>5888864
Innocent touches go a long way. Nothing turns women on like being touched, but nothing creeps women out like it either. So accidentally brush up against a woman if you're sitting next to her, but very lightly. Skin to skin if both your arms are exposed, but make sure there's no way it could look deliberate. That can be hard to do of course since it's unusual to be sitting right next to woman unless you're on the bus or something. If you want to turn a woman on while at a physical distance, play with parts of yourself sensually, like your earlobe.

>>5888917
She really likes you but she's in a relationship so she feels guilty about it.

>>5888928
So she distracted you from reading. Instead of paying attention to her you could have got further into your book.

>>5888939
Fair enough. However, you should stop applying some metaphysical significance to it.

>>5888950
>She really likes you but she's in a relationship so she feels guilty about it.

Im okay with this

I just want to get better at talking to her properly

Why is living hard

>>5888951
Attaching metaphysical significance to it is precisely what's needed, I want it penetrate more of my physical reality, all parts of me that are creaky and rusty got new life. Intellectualism and and the inherent body despising (ignoring) is a sickness.

>>5888964
Life are suffering, anon ;~;

>>5888967

>>5888964
Become more present and observant of the surroundings, then share your thoughts with her, try to pull her into the moment. It can be about anything, the socks that she's wearing.. If you can't say/make something interesting about any given situation then you're not working hard enough.

>>5888964
Look for something unique about her appearance that she probably put some effort into and comment on it. That will give you only a brief portion of conversation, it's just ignition fuel, have something ready to connect with it.

When you talk to women, there's several layers. What we are responsive to as conversation tinder is not the same thing that keeps the fire burning, and what keeps the getting-to-know fire burning is not what keeps the relationship (friendly or romantic) fire burning. A lot of guys flub up on the transition, they start with food too thick and they look like they're bad with people and only know other-than-social topics, and some men think what works once works forever and are boring as shit.

>>5888966
You can't attach something that is not there. The only way to experience "more" of reality is to think about it.

>>5888974
>>5888972

>Look for something unique about her appearance that she probably put some effort into and comment on it

>N-nice ass

I know what you mean but its hard, ill try today though.
She wants to get into CHemisty which I'm good at but whenever i try to talk to her about it or anything she makes the conversation short with tiny answers that cant be extended into conversations and her eyes are darting all over the place. While other times when she is the one initiation conversation with me, she is relaxed . Ill try those though, thanks mang.

Girls are easy. You just have to contain all the fires of hell within you, then allow the girl some notion that she might walk unscathed between them.

There is actually good advice on this thread, what the hell is going on.

>>5888980
Nonsense. The only way to experience more of reality is to think less and be more.

>>5888994


This

>>5888988
I know a lot of people say to listen listen listen (it says that in How to Win Friends and Influence People), but that doesn't always work, especially when someone only likes to talk about particular subjects. Sometimes you need to talk talk talk. But casually, slowly, and amusingly. If she likes you, that will warm up her comfort until her words can more freely flow. Just make sure to check for signs that she wants to shut up or leave her alone, if she doesn't give those signs, talk more. Ask questions, but make sure they fit in well, random questions just to make conversation probably won't work with her.

>>5888994
there's a woman posting in it.

>>5889000


Trips mean truth

Also, can i just tell her i like her or think she looks nice? Out of the blue ,

>>5888988
No see that's not about the present situation, it's talking about future, empty theory, she'll get bored and by what you're saying she already is. Just talk about shit that is happening now, if nothing is happening try to get something happening, be active.

>>5888974
is impressing a woman really so formulaic? i am completely ignorant to all of this 'pick-up theory' but i still seem to do ok for myself just being natural and spontaneous in my interactions with women. some of your tips hit home, in that i do them unconsciously (e.g. i am quite touchy-feely by nature), but generally when i hook up with women it occurs differently every time, not according to a plan

you have to start it but its all luck

>>5889007
Depends entirely on the woman and how much she likes you, don't be an autist and try to codify things like that.

Offhand, I wouldn't suggest it, since you both know you like each other, and we tend to find it more enticing if it's not spelled out off the bat but we know you like us and you know we like you. Having to say it directly makes it look like you lack the finesse to say it subtly.

If you want to compliment her appearance, no problem there, but it's a lot less awkward and more complimentary if you compliment a very particular aspect of her appearance rather than just telling her she looks nice, which is something 90% of guys already notice. Notice what the other guys don't notice.

>>5889011
>Just talk about shit that is happening now, if nothing is happening try to get something happening, be active.

Fucks sake, I'm going to do all this but i don't even know if she likes me or not or is just being kind. Fuck this noise ,I'm too shy for this

>H-here i go

>>5889012
Yeah, well, you're not autistic. What I'm saying is for guys who don't have enough experience growing up or as an adult for it to come naturally, and so need a clue or else they look clueless.

>>5889007
That's the worst thing you can do. It's lazy and unimaginative. Resist the urge to crush out, you need to be switched on and responsive.

>>5888997
Nope. Without thought you could not reason and thus you could not determine what reality there was to experience at all.

I think it is a sad state of things when most humans value fulfilling basic lusts over sating curiosity about the world.

>>5889017
>Offhand, I wouldn't suggest it, since you both know you like each other

I don't know this, I hope she does, she just a really nice person that I'm misrepresenting it as her being kind.
I'd rather just quit this despairing sneaky pulling the girl stuff and just tell her i like her ,it's so draining.

>If you want to compliment her appearance, no problem there, but it's a lot less awkward and more complimentary if you compliment a very particular aspect

This sounds nice and simple

>>5889026
>I think it is a sad state of things when most humans value fulfilling basic lusts over sating curiosity about the world.
Ugh. Look, kiddo, basis needs like eating and breathing and sex are instinctually more important than curiosity. I LOVE to read, I fucking adore reading, nothing turns me on more than a guy who reads, but I'm not so intellectual that I think that basic bodily needs should take a back seat to intellectualizing.

>>5889028
>I'd rather just quit this despairing sneaky pulling the girl stuff and just tell her i like her ,it's so draining.

I think some trite advice that may be familiar to all of /lit/ applies here: Show, don't tell.

>>5889031
What if you show in the wrong way?

>>5889028
>I don't know this
If she repeatedly returns your glances and smiles, she likes you. Looking away is just about it not being awkward.

>I'd rather just quit this despairing sneaky pulling the girl stuff and just tell her i like her ,it's so draining.
It's not about being sneaky, it's just about it not being awkward. If you say you like her, she feels pressure even if she likes you. Nothing turns a girl off like pressure. Then every time she's around you it feel weird to look at you because it will stop being flirty and look like a much more serious come on.

Get a chat going with her, ask if she'd like to do something later like coffee, get her number, text her later.

>>5889028
Maybe just try and see anon, but even after saying you like her, you'll still have to work to get closer. Things won't magically be solved after that. Saying that you like her is unnecessary but if you need to say it to see for yourself then you should go ahead...

Contrary to pretty much everything in this thread, I would insult a girl or flirt with her friend or something before I'd compliment her in trying to bed her. Woman's prerogative is to navigate man, so make of yourself a barred pathway, a sort of affront to her potential. That, or simply believe she's yours, leaving her with nothing but to comply.

>>5889035
I'm getting the impression that you only have contact with this girl in classes - is that right? If so, the first thing you really ought to do is invite her out to some social event.

>>5889040
This is terrible advice. Attractive women don't think they're all that, being difficult is not required for us to think you're worth our while.

>>5889049
hey, paradise, i think it's working

>If she repeatedly returns your glances and smiles, she likes you. Looking away is just about it not being awkward.

>Tfw you made me a bit happier about this crap
Her gaze man, her eyes are average but dat slow gaze when we both don't do anything but look at each other for a few seconds is like poetry.

>Get a chat going with her, ask if she'd like to do something later like coffee, get her number, text her later.

Don't worry, ill try my best today.Thanks mang

Just feels weird that she could actually like me, this doesn't happen at all

>>5889042

Yeah but i dont go out anywhere

For >>5889052
>>5889036

I can't imagine anything more ridiculous than taking a woman's advice on how to get women, lol.

>>5889059
All she's really saying is "be daring, be interesting, be sensitive to signals". It's not rocket science really.

>>5889049
Paradise's response was the first "pick up artist" type shit in this thread IMO, trying too hard or something.

>>5889069
So she's basically setting it up for her to get you, then, eh? :)

>>5889052
It probably does, you just don't pick up on it. Or else it could, you just don't notice when the little tiny signals are given.

Don't try to plunge your feelings into her too fast, though. Keep it slow. When guys get overly attached too quickly (and that's what it feels like when they make casual initial romantic interaction look like a big deal), it makes us claustrophobic and then we start worrying what if we don't want a relationship, and then we can't get rid of the guy? Once you make a guy sure you really, really like him, it takes a hundred times more signals in the opposite direction to get rid of him. So purely for practical reasons, she'll backpeddle sooner than make it a big deal off the bat. You got to gradually build it up, not act like it's a big deal, otherwise she'll feel claustrophobic. Make it so there's an exit door right by her hand, and don't try to rush her away from it, walk into a relationship slowly and build trust and let her get to know you as a guy who won't stalk her if she breaks up with you.

Can you make sure to include spaghetti spillage related pics to honor me, the OP, in future posts. Thanks.

>>5888939
>a woman made me think sex is a casual thing
>this is somehow wise
You have fallen for a trap anon. You are still a self-centered shit compared to the falsely guided one before that. Enjoy your hedonism though, you'll soon outgrow it.

>>5888939
She is not wise. She is just a woman who goes with the flow and doesn't affect the reality around her, basically a thing that isn't Being-there.

>>5889085
Sex can be a casual thing every since women didn't have to rely on keeping their virginity to auction to a man for financial support. Maybe you just, you know, go out and understand that people are people, and damsels from Victorian novels are not a realistic or even healthy expectation of women.

>>5889030
Sex is only instinctual as it is vital for reproduction.
In my opinion Sexual pleasure for its own sake has become an obsession in the west. Rather seeking beauty in the world most members of society seek it in the opposite sex.

>>5889094
Just because it is casual does not mean it ought to be.

>>5889099
>Sex is only instinctual as it is vital for reproduction.
I'm going to have to disagree, since the clit and the g-spot serve no reproductive purpose yet have a lot to do with sex.

Sex is very important for bonding and stress relief, it is our greatest emotional outlet.

>In my opinion Sexual pleasure for its own sake has become an obsession in the west. Rather seeking beauty in the world most members of society seek it in the opposite sex.
Pretty sure naked people were a major element of beauty in art for a couple of thousand years+

>>5889102
Just because waterfalls aren't honey and trees don't grow gumdrops doesn't mean that's how it ought to be. >:(

>>5889085
I am a self-centered shit... on the other hand I'm not convinced at all that sex is a casual thing, it wasn't how I approached it with her. Maybe she thought it casual with me, but that's not what I was saying was wise about her.

But would like to hear more about how you spotted me being a self-centered shit? I'm trying not to be one.

>>5889079
>>5889079

This is like a Uni course

>>5889089
I'm a person that goes with the flow too, a self-centered shit like you've said earlier. But she was like that too so that's why we clicked. We're both 'artists', or at least seen by people as such.

>>5889112
I don't think sex was casual with you, more likely you spooked her with your forwardness and so she made it into "just causal sex".

We very rarely want one-night stands. At the very least we like guys we can come back to., fuckbuddies If it's a one-night stand, it's probably because the guy wanted it, or because the guy spooked us.

>>5889108
g-spot is largely disputed.

>>5889108
The pleasure associated with sex is a biological mechanism to ensure reproduction.
There are many more efficient ways to relieve stress and human bonding is hardly confined to sexual relations.
>>5889108
They were subjects, the beauty was not the naked form but the patterns that the form embodied.
>>5889110
Most people assume that just because they can have a great deal of sex, they should as this will ensure happiness. For example widespread sexual activity may very well be detrimental to mental health and emotional development, it's value should not be taken for granted.

>>5889122
You keep on disputing it, sweetie.

>>5889120
Feelin' terrible. Shouldn't have crushed out so hard. :/

>>5889079
Really? because all the girls who flake on me with a wall of silence make it seem pretty easy to end it

>>5889130
for that matter i've never seen evidence of a female orgasm either

>>5889128
>There are many more efficient ways to relieve stress
Tell that to people who are sexually frustrated.

>They were subjects, the beauty was not the naked form but the patterns that the form embodied.
No, it was the naked form.

>Most people assume that just because they can have a great deal of sex, they should as this will ensure happiness.
Having really good sex on a regular basis definitely contributes toward happiness.

>>5889094

>OP is becoming a false romantic at the age of 30
>you are accusing me of being an idiot for being a real romantic
Please. OP will realize that his little new world is small and doesn't affect anything around him. Guess what he'll want then.

>>5889130
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/health/8439000.stm

>>5889136
Yeah, well surprising as this might be to you, most of us feel really bad about doing that and prefer not to. It also might surprise you that some men don't accept silence.

>>5889137
That's too bad. :(

>>5889128
>For example widespread sexual activity may very well be detrimental to mental health and emotional development

I don't think having lots of sex is in itself unhealthy, but I do think that it can be a symptom of emotional/psychological maladjustment.

>>5889112
I am not talking about self-centered as in a egoistic kind of person. But now you've(if you are OP) gone into a smaller circle of being, where you are overrating things close to you, while ignoring your past world-view that probably wasn't that bad at all. In the end, you've been fooled by Pure Ideology.

>>5889140
You can post whatever article you like, but the fact is that when a guy hooks his finger and rubs the front of my pussy, it builds slowly up to a staggering orgasm that makes me squirt all over the place. And a lot of my girlfriends go through the same thing.

>>5889139
I'm still here, and soliciting feedback..? What do you mean by fake romantic?

>>5889146
That is, lots of sex with lots of different partners. Lots of sex with a stable partner or partners is absolutely healthy and I guess that is proof that lots of sex in itself is definitely not an inherently bad thing.

>>5889148
>that makes me squirt all over the place

ew

also, i've tried that in the past and it didn't have the desired effect. the only time a girl ever squirted with me was just during routine missionary sex. it was disgusting.

>>5889151
Some people need a stable partner, some people want lots of partners. People are different.

>>5889156
You must have an interesting penis, I have never orgasmed purely by piv. It's always had to be g-spot or clitoral stmulation

>>5889157
>some people want lots of partners.

Because they're emotionally damaged.

>>5889148
Hey I'm not saying either way, just dropping that bit, if you want to call the inside bit of the pussy the g-spot that's fine, but scientifically it's not anything special and part of the larger pussy erogenous zone (including tissue around and in your anus for one)

>>5889164
Well "scientifically" you can't get me to cum like that just by rubbing the outside of my vagina.

>>5889161
>You must have an interesting penis

it curves slightly upwards and has short suspensory ligaments which makes it apply more pressure on the front vaginal wall than is usual. if you're in london i can show you :^) i'm putting tarpaulin down though.

>>5889163
This is assuming that monogamy is inherently natural for primates, which it isn't either in patriarchal or matriarchal primates.

>>5889138
>Tell that to people who are sexually frustrated.

Sexual frustration is made worse by the widespread reverence for the pleasure of the sexual act.

>No, it was the naked form.
We find beauty in the naked form, I agree. The beauty is not due to the naked form itself, but to the symmetry of the form.

>Having really good sex on a regular basis definitely contributes toward happiness.
Happiness and Pleasure are different things. You would not say a meth addict was happy but he is certainly experiencing pleasure. Happiness has more to do with reaching goals and maintain standards then the experience of pleasure. Happiness is pleasurable but pleasure is not happiness.

>>5889147
Somebody else told me this, in different words. It seems like because of my lack of experience I'm valuing this highly, like a part of myself that is unexplored/rusty. The effects it had on my general health are not overstated though. I felt healed and repaired and larger than before. After many years in the 'wilderness', including plenty of time in the 'dark night' this was like God paying you a visit.

>>5889169
>it curves slightly upwards and has short suspensory ligaments which makes it apply more pressure on the front vaginal wall than is usual.
Ohhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

Too bad you find squirting disgusting, that's a major turn off.

>>5889172
>Sexual frustration is made worse by the widespread reverence for the pleasure of the sexual act.
Nothing new there. People used to worship phalli.

>We find beauty in the naked form, I agree. The beauty is not due to the naked form itself, but to the symmetry of the form.
There's symmetry in all sorts of shit, but the naked form got a lot more attention.

>Happiness and Pleasure are different things. You would not say a meth addict was happy but he is certainly experiencing pleasure. Happiness has more to do with reaching goals and maintain standards then the experience of pleasure. Happiness is pleasurable but pleasure is not happiness.
Sexual fulfillment is not like meth fulfillment, sexual fulfillment is instinctually craved.

This is how you get women, guys:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HAmEdT2HnF0

:)

P.S., the explanation video some dude made is bullshit.

>>5889180
Getting women is an evil art, really.

>>5889167
Different parts are sensitive to a different degree... it's not really worth continuing with this topic though.

>>5889180
>"Hey, let's go on a date!"
>"Ew."
>*slam fist against nearby surface*
>"Hey, let's GO on a DATE!"
>"O-okay..."

>>5889183
We make our own meaning, bruv, and you're the only one coming across as a PUA loser in this thread.

>>5889178
>There's symmetry in all sorts of shit, but the naked form got a lot more attention.
Yes this is exactly the problem. The beauty found in even the most attractive human body is only a fraction of the beauty to be found in nature.
>>5889178
The sexual fulfilment is craved, but we are a "rational" species and understand the function of the act. We may use our brains to determine that sexual fulfilment is often at the detriment of our greater happiness.

>>5889193
Unfortunately, that's basically it.

>>5889195
I'm merely outlining the reality of it. I haven't ever studied PUA, friend :)

>>5889183
It is quite simple. Be physically attractive or have a Social standing that she desires. The rest is just mind games to trick her.

>>5889200
More or less.

>>5889196
>The beauty found in even the most attractive human body is only a fraction of the beauty to be found in nature.
Naturally we find human bodies to enthrall our eyes quite a bit.

>The sexual fulfilment is craved, but we are a "rational" species and understand the function of the act. We may use our brains to determine that sexual fulfilment is often at the detriment of our greater happiness
I don't see how it could be, unless it involves randomly buttfucking some poor unsuspecting girl.

Virgins don't get it. Depressed, anxious, self medicating? Its cause you're not getting laid

>>5889218
No, not at all. Although being depressed and anxious might interfere with you getting laid.

>>5889171
>natural
If it was natural, that doesn't mean shit. If you want to be the edgy in-tune-with-nature pagan you'd have to accept other natural things like killing normal.

>>5889227
Then I'm not sure where you're getting the idea that having a lot of partners implies a psychological dysfunction.

>>5889218
Sex is just more self-medication, actually. In the end, you're still getting the runaround.

>>5889171
Monogamy is for the good of society. It reduces the instability that would arise from polygamy. Instability is problematic in many areas, from biological health to economics.

>>5889238
Got a study that demonstrates this?

>>5889242
There actually are studies that back up polygamy being more problematic than monogamy, but they deal very simplistically in their conclusions.

>>5889242
I've got a civilization or two to demonstrate this. It's so inherent that you didn't notice.

>>5889250
Do you mean for society, or just the people in question?

Because certainly polygamy is not the way to go for most people if you're talking about a polyamorous relationship, but that's not the same thing as just fucking a lot of people.

>>5889255
Correlation doesn't imply causation. Civilizations that feel were also often at the peak of intellectual achievement, that doesn't mean intellectualism is bad for society.

>>5889218
Sounds like something a virgin thinks. Sex doesn't change anything. You wake up the next morning, still you. Nothing different, only your penis feels polished for a day.

But then the image of sex is the all powerful healer of everything, I don't see how it would work, but it might delude people into thinking they've accomplished something special. I guess that delusion would only require more sex not to get depressed.

>>5889258
I meant for the people in question, but fucking a lot of people isn't generally just fucking a lot of people either. There's no playa going through life alone but for sex.

>>5888760

>
3. Women are like birds. We don't want you chasing us throwing seeds at us. If we're handing around, offer us some seed, make it clear you're offering. If we come to eat, don't expect that means we want to be your pet. If we sniff and leave, let us go. If we taste a bit and leave, let us go. If we eat and leave, let us go, we might come back later. Don't panic, don't act desperate, just be relaxed and considerate.

You know an analogy is where you compare one thing to another and note similarities right? It's not where you discuss human behavior but make the humans into birds for no reason or make completely pointless comparison. Birds are like women, if you throw food at them they won't stay around. They're also like baboons, crocodiles, fish and lambs. None of them like to have food thrown at their faces. But unlike women most of those animals will end up eating it anyway.

What I've found about women is that you have to just keep in mind that they are just humans. They are like men except they are shy and they won't ever really man up. All this shit about running in circles to please women with seeds. You just need to treat them how you would like to be treated or how a functional human would like to be treated.

Very few guys ever seem to ask themselves "how would I like to be approached in a bar?" I suppose some of them would like to have someone come up to them and say "hey, let's fuck" but having had that happen to me I didn't really like it. It just made me feel awkward and insecure. Equally if someone came up to me and was very shy and had nothing to say I'd be like "what the fuck do you want?" I imagine most people just want someone that is friendly who you get on well with. If that doesn't happen then move on.

>>5889266
I don't think you need to experience the act to determine these extreme claims about sexual intercourse as exaggerated or false.
>>5889258
Yes, but the stigma is important for maintaining stability. The attempt to normalise it and other sexual behaviour is the root of the issue.

>>5889234

Beating the living shit out of another ape because they tried to touch your ape wife's ass is "natural" but doing so in our society, and doing it a lot, would indicate someone with anger issues.

What you've done is go there is monogamy or lots of sexual partners which is not the case. It wouldn't be natural for humans to have casual or anonymous sex. Our species wouldn't survive. Who would help women raise these fatherless kids? Our bodies release hormones that bond us to a partner after sex. This doesn't mean that lifelong monogamy is natural but it does mean that humans wouldn't naturally just fuck a different person every night. Assuming they didn't just die at 30 I imagine humans would naturally have had polygamous relationships or had serial monogamous relationships.

>>5889275
Instead of trying to re-educate men to approach you in a way that you find acceptable, why don't you just do some approaching yourself?

>>5889286
The loosening of sexual morality has seen massive social issues especially single mothers. I accept that in some cases it is vital that women leave an abusive relationship, that should be encouraged. The problem is the government is expected to pick up the slack and pay away the problem.
This hardly seems like a fair price to pay for a few hyper sexual individuals to find social acceptance.

I'll give you some protips:

(1) Women are objects. You're on your own and cannot do nothing for the external world. If you want to do something, do it for your own pleasure, in particular, dating women.
The important thing is the pleasure you can get from them, not what you can give them (remember, you're on your own and your own pleasure and well-being is the only thing that matters).

(2) Never date a girl more than once. You can hava sex-partner and get together to fuck often, but one date is always enough. If she expect more, tell her to fuck off.

(3) Never date only one girl at a time. The important thing here is always having two or three at hand because if one of them don't want to fuck you can always call the other one and have sex with her.
The more you have the better, just be sure that they don't know each other.

>>5889306

>Instead of trying to re-educate men to approach you in a way that you find acceptable, why don't you just do some approaching yourself?

I think you are confused. I am a man. My point was that guys don't seem to consider how they would like be approached and then they start treating women as enigmatic aliens. When I think about the women I've managed to have a romantic relationship with they've all started with me and her having fun and comfortable conversations and then spending more time together. Which is how I would want to be approached (not that women do approach men). I imagine this is true of most people as well. Their approach to bagging babes is probably not how they would want to be approached and yet they are confused why they are so shit at getting women.

>>5889331
Yes sorry.
I think the problem is men approach women how they themselves would like an outgoing woman to approach them. I don't think most men would have an issue with even an unattractive woman coming up to hit on them.

I don't think what you have to say has anything to do with it beyond demonstrating intelligence or social standing. An attractive high status male could approach like a socially awkward geek and still succeed.

>>5889283
It's just that the post above me stated them as if they were true.

Unless I misinterpreted it the first time around, and the post was saying that virgins think sex heals everything, in which case I agree, and my previous post was unnecessary.

>>5889341

>I think the problem is men approach women how they themselves would like an outgoing woman to approach them.

I don't agree with this. I don't think most men would want women to come up to them with insincere chat up lines or phony interest in them. I don't think most men would actually want women to come up to them and just say "want to fuck right now?" If men are really being honest I don't think that is what they would want. So why would women want it? I mean they might, but it doesn't really make much sense and I've had far better success with women when I treat them like I'd want to be treated rather than puzzles I have to complete to get laid.

>An attractive high status male could approach like a socially awkward geek and still succeed.


Maybe. How high status can you be if you are a socially awkward "geek"? I think that might be true in a sexually charged environment like a bar which is full of horny women. But in day to day life I don't think so. Even if that were true I think I'm still pretty much correct. I'd probably forgive an intelligent and attractive girl for being awkward. It doesn't mean it's a good strategy for getting romantically involved with people.

Love is impossible in this age. Know that and commit seppuku already.

>>5888833
Lmao you're hopelessly clingy and needy

>>5889242
>le study
Why don't go back to reddit where you need to be fed robotic statistics. Use your fucking brain. How do you think historians and philosophers do it?

>>5889308
What is this PUA shit?

>>5889365
>I don't think most men would want women to come up to them with insincere chat up lines or phony interest in them.

Do you have any evidence for that claim? If it led to sex I don't think many men would object.

>n. But in day to day life I don't think so. Even if that were true I think I'm still pretty much correct.
It seems that most women don't want to be approached in everyday life by a low status male either. Infact there seems to be a forming consensus that any unrequited interest is a form of abuse.

>>5888750
1) Start watching porn.
2) Stop dating woman.
3) Listen to /pol/.

*3) As current /pol/ is cluster fucked because of moot, I'd recommend to read through archives.

Lesson to be learned: don't get yourself fooled by a smile, tits, legs, talk etc.

>>5889366
Never give up, anon!

lol

>>5889393

>Do you have any evidence for that claim?

No of course not. I'm just using intuition and I feel pretty confident that most men would not actually want any PUA or poser shit and if they did it would only be for a quick and easy one night stand. Not a prolonged romantic relationship. It could be that this would only apply to more intelligent men and women but I think it would apply to many people.

>If it led to sex I don't think many men would object.

That's sort of irrelevant. The question isn't "would you have sex with almost anyone"? but rather "how would you HONESTLY like to be approached by a woman in an ideal scenario?" Maybe some guys would like to have women just start humping them while waiting in line at the pot office. I imagine a lot of men would rather a friendly conversation. If you are getting laid plenty it doesn't matter. If not perhaps you should reassess your approach if it doesn't include treating women like human beings.

>It seems that most women don't want to be approached in everyday life by a low status male either. Infact there seems to be a forming consensus that any unrequited interest is a form of abuse.

Don't worry. You'll probably meet someone that will show you this poisonous and borderline idiotic thinking isn't true at all.

>>5889275
Women are like birds... If we sniff and leave, let us go.

>avians
>using olfactory senses
Toppest kek, ma'am.

>>5888917
Holy shit, no joke guys, I totally know that train!

>>5889388
Is not PUA shit, it's wisdom of an old male used to dealing with females.

I will not say that is not possible to be with a woman, be in love with her and all the etc. we all see in movies, but the fact is that the AVERAGE woman is no much more than a piece of meat.
A man must act accordingly and treat them as they deserve, and they enjoy it, for every woman likes and needs to be educated.

>>5889393
>Do you have any evidence for that claim? If it led to sex I don't think many men would object.
Imagine that 95% of the women coming up to you and trying to use insincere lines, mind games and social engineering to get you into bed are pretty fugly and/or have terrible personality red flags peeking out from behind that pick-up facade. Then tell me you want to be skeezed on by these hambeasts with terrible dress sense every time you're standing in line at the grocery store, or waiting to cross the road, or working, or just trying to chill on a park bench and enjoy the quiet.

So yes, if hot chicks fell over each other to try and get into your pants, you'd be ecstatic, but that's not how it works. People with attractive personalities aren't so desperate they'll fall all over themselves trying to get you onto your back just because you happened to sit within three seats of them on train and happened to make eye contact for two seconds (IT MUST BE FATE) you'd be happy, but that's not how it goes, and you have to try and see outside of yourself to understand that.

>>5889436
I feel really sad for you, man. I hope my soul never grows quite so old and bitter.

>>5889442
>old and bitter.
Not at all. Lots of women help me with that.

>>5889417
I don't get laid, I don't even try anymore.
It has nothing to do with how I think of women.

>>5889436
lol, I shouldn't have posted that video in this thread.

>>5889454

Oh it's because you're a low status male? Jesus Christ.

>>5889463
>>5889465
>tripfag assuming the thread revolves around him
Classic tripfag.

>>5889436
>>5889463

Uh? what video?

>>5889472
The one of the old men picking up women at the dog track :)

>>5889470
Get over yourself, child.

>>5889475
Oh, and there was the education at the end of the video too. It's quite obvious.

>>5889475
>>5889478
Did you even watch your own video? Shit.

>>5889484
And I actually like how your post even makes reference to OTHER videos before getting into my one, lol.

it's a shame derren brown's recommended reading list doesn't have something to make people like your shitposts on an anonymous literature appreciation board

>>5889486
I have no clue what you're going on about, but the only video you've posted in this thread has nothing to do with 'picking up women' at all.

>>5889493
Of course it does - I'm just not a little bitch looking for the boy's attention like you are :)

>>5889502
sry, boys'*
Eww, D&E...

>>5889436
>isn't a grandfather
>is a wise man
Pick 1
You haven't done anything in live.

>>5889469
Yeah, I am an aspie. It is the lowest rung on the social status ladder. I am also ugly. I don't blame women for liking what they like.

>>5889511
Kudos. Genuinely.

>>5889509
>in live
You haven't done anything in school.

>>5888760
>we
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Is talking to girls really that complicated? I guess I'll stay a KV after all.

>trying to date women under 25

None of them have any real interests and they're ticking ugly/fat time bombs. They also still have the unwarranted sense of value that being a young, non-deformed woman comes with.

Get a good job, read a lot of books, develop interests and look for a woman when you're 30. By then, they've realized that they have no inherent advantage in the dating game and you can form a relationship with them on the basis of what you two are as people.

>>5889789
I strongly agree.

Regards, 24 year old whose last three gfs have been 32, 28 and 30.

The last <25 girl I dated (she was 19) ended up stalking me.

>>5889789
This.

Though you can take advantage of young vanity and just use them as fuck holes. In terms of a lasting, satisfying relationship, it's hard to find a women who was invested on her mind at such an early age. Btw, this applies to young men too.

>>5889789
Here's a wise quote from my old guy who was quite a plow in his time.
"Women are like public transportation, the second you dismount one, you can mount another. Disregard that, save up for a car."