/lit/ - Literature

>>6257426
Shit on Eliezer all you like, but what did you think of the actual story?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nXARrMadTKk

>>6257431
>>6257431
Of HPMOR? I've only read the first few chapters that definitely need an editor, and the constant "science! science!" was really offputting, and I didn't see the reason in read 60 or 70 more chapters of

>"Mum," Harry said. "If you want to win this argument with Dad, look in chapter two of the first book of the Feynman Lectures on Physics. There's a quote there about how philosophers say a great deal about what science absolutely requires, and it is all wrong, because the only rule in science is that the final arbiter is observation - that you just have to look at the world and report what you see. Um... off the top of my head I can't think of where to find something about how it's an ideal of science to settle things by experiment instead of arguments -"

>His mother looked down at him and smiled. "Thank you, Harry. But -" her head rose back up to stare at her husband. "I don't want to win an argument with your father. I want my husband to, to listen to his wife who loves him, and trust her just this once -"

>>6257436
Oh man. Push through the first few chapters until you get to about 5 or 6. If you still don't like it, then that's no one's fault. But I urge you to give it a chance.

The immortality singularity dementor bit was perhaps the most cringe worthy piece of text I've ever had the displeasure of reading.

>>6257436
That's one of the most blatant misunderstandings of the philosophy of science I have ever seen.

>>6257454
What?

Stem sux

someone post that twitter post of him whining about being fat because of genetics

>>6257436
>>6257461
You know, I'd agree with you if it weren't for the fact that it isn't (I believe) supposed to be taken at face value. What Harry was written to say isn't what the author believes, Yes, it's retarded but it's character-pov retarded.

>>6257489
>What Harry was written to say isn't what the author believes
Harry is pretty blatantly a self-insert of this obese neckbeard

>>6257493
Why? I think he's a character intended to be somewhat of a Mary-Sue, but mostly to play with its inherent limitations. There are too many hints of Harry's perspective being flawed and stupid and shit for it not to be some kind of self-satyre.

>>6257479
>you can't make this up

>>6257510

lmao fatties

>>6257510
>be thin

Lol the universe privileged me cool

It's like the universe loves me and this I know for the fatties tell me so

>>6257510
Energy in, energy out.

autodidact whom and whose cult of compadres no one in the academy takes seriously and that makes no impact whatsoever on any topic whatsoever either scientific or philosophical.

>>6257510
holy fuck

i almost forgot how desperately he tries to stand out by means of namedropping. also, claiming that diet and exercise are not reliable methods of weight loss? he might just be retarded after all.

didn't he ask for someone to lend him a house where to stay for a winter to dedicate himself to write only or something like that?

>>6257585
>Question to the general readership: Does anyone have a quiet vacation home, not necessarily somewhere with good Internet access or more than 1x speed on Verizon, where I and my SO could spend 3-4 weeks while I just work on nothing but the final arc of HPMOR? Maybe during September, say? If so, please drop me a call at yudkowsky@gmail.com.

he must have a pretty strong fanbase

>>6257426
and I thought /lit/ took themselves too seriously.

>>6257463
The long ass speech about Dementors being Death etc.

this guy must be retarded and I will not be investigating further

>>6257691
>The young boy stood very straight, his chin raised high and proud, and said: "There is no justice in the laws of Nature, Headmaster, no term for fairness in the equations of motion. The universe is neither evil, nor good, it simply does not care. The stars don't care, or the Sun, or the sky. But they don't have to! We care! There is light in the world, and it is us!"
>"I wonder what will become of you, Harry," said the old wizard. His voice was soft, with a strange wonder and regret in it. "It is enough to make me wish to live just to see it."
>The boy bowed to him with heavy irony, and departed; and the oaken door slammed shut behind him with a thud.

>Also, if anyone is already working on any of the following projects,I would not mind being CC’d in on their email threads(especially if I can successfully ascend to angel investor):

>Assaults on obesity that involve directly killing fat cells, rather than futile attempts to mess with the surrounding metabolic processes.


LOL

>>6257721
How can one guy be so unashamedly cringe-worthy?

>>6257721
>>6257769
I actually thought that passage was actually somewhat decent (except maybe how Harry bows ironically..?)

What...what IS this exactly?

>>6257790
An exercise in distilled autism.

this guy is LITERALLY tvtropes

>>6257790
Harry Potter fan-fiction based on the ur-concept of "rationalism". Cringe worthy at moments, epic and kinda beautiful at others. A better Harry Potter than Harry Potter, but that's faint praise really.

Read the first few chapters, and try to remember that the narrative voice isn't necessarily the author's voice - UNLIKE THE IDIOTS IN THIS THREAD, WHOSE LITERARY EDUCATION STOPPED IN FUCKING FIRST GRADE

>>6257808
Why do you love this piece of Harry Potter fan-fiction so much?

>>6257426
Ayn Randian fedorhetoric about a boy wizard. The best combination since leprechauns and cunnilingus.

Dear god, here's his approach to writing explained.

http://yudkowsky.tumblr.com/writing

FFS

>>6257811
I like it because really, it's both a tongue in cheek revisitation of Rowling's work and a self-satyre of the fan-fiction genre. Also, it's amusing to see the author play with himself (hurr-durr) and craft a not-too-complex plot that will flabbergast other bumbling morons that don't realize how Yudkowsky has already planned everything. It's acutely self-aware, and I like that. Basically my wind-down read when I spent all day pouring on fucking Heidegger and Lyotard for my exams.

I'm just mad at /lit/ for being unable to keep an author and a book separated. I know you dislike pomo but fuck, come on.

>>6257825
Except after reading his blog and his writing it's hard not to think this guy is the one who doesn't believe in much of a separation between books and their authors. I.e., both autist as fuck.

>>6257825
You're an emotional retard and it's hilarious you're paying for an education in reading books in 2015. I'm not a STEM student, but you are clearly fucking dumb. You can't even communicate ideas.
>I'm just mad at /lit/ for being unable to keep an author and a book separated. I know you dislike pomo but fuck, come o

This doesn't make sense, as two statements or regarding how /lit/ actually is. The author is a fat nerd writing harry potter fanfiction and asking twitter for liposuction advice and a house to live in to write fanfiction. It's a safe bet he is a hilarioualy daft literal autist.

You should honestly kill yourself and your shitty parents for producing such a worthless, whiny, annoying faggot. All caps in defense of fucking harry potter fanfiction. This is your life. This is the personal mastery your philosophy knowlege has bestowed upon you.

>>6257593

>he has a gf

>>6257856
>It's a safe bet he is a hilarioualy daft literal autist.
he also came up with some idea how you need to work 100% to construct an AI because otherwise the AI will punish you retroactively in the future by simulating you and torturing you or some shit as long as you know this retarded idea and he literally banned it from his forum because his mentally challenged fanboys get scared

or something like that IDK someone knows what I'm talking about

>>6257856
I won't try to defend myself, no point to it. Just wanted to ask: why do you keep attacking the author insted of discussing the book?

>>6257908

because there are literally thousands of things better to read than some autistic million word manifesto fan-fic

>>6257894
I know what Roko's basilisk is and I am pretty sure this guy did not invent it.

...Okay you know what I'm wrong he did but you know what else is this idea is literally the villainous computer from I Have No Mouth and I Must Scream so it's not original at all making it considerably less impressive.

>>6257925
>making it considerably less impressive.
It's not impressive at all no matter who came up with it, and it's not at all like AM.

>>6257950
>It's not at all like AM

I mean it pretty much is though save for the nuance of intent But let's stop this before we start an autistic gnostic-style debate about fictional future AI mentalities.

>>6257925
The story with Roko's Basilisk and Eliezer is actually hilarious - it's originally a post on lesswrong by the user Roko, and Eliezer deleted it and banned all discussion else THE BASILISK WILL KNOW

Quote from Yudkowsky's post before he deleted it:

>(For those who have no idea why I’m using capital letters for something that just sounds like a random crazy idea, and worry that it means I’m as crazy as Roko, the gist of it was that he just did something that potentially gives superintelligences an increased motive to do extremely evil things in an attempt to blackmail us. It is the sort of thing you want to be EXTREMELY CONSERVATIVE about NOT DOING.)

and anyway, it's more or less just a re-write of Pascal's wager with the word "God" replaced by "AI"

autist/11

>>6257908
Here's a question: what purpose does the book serve beyond intellectual masturbation? Equating autistic STEMfaggorty with the height of rationality is begging the question of what 'rational' even means (historically rationalism hasn't been equates with empiricism, which is what it seems to mean for the author and his audience of self-congrualating autists who love Rowling because of their childhood rather than because of inherent value in her writing), and why is the Harry Potter universe a good vehicle for this spergitry?
If he's so rational, shouldn't he be spending the time he spent on this pure autism doing something scientific instead? How is writing this trash rational?

>>6257869
Actually, worse than that.

He has multiple girlfriends.

But at the same time:

>This is something that actually worries me and it’s one reason I try to keep to a policy of only dating women who are dating other men. (The other reason being that I find it uncomfortable to be someone’s only resource.)

>>6257825
Repeat after me: "Harry Potter fan fiction".

And keep those fucking words out of your mouth. "Heidegger and Lyotard". There's no fashion to be made out of them.

>>6257808
Who cares? The prose is unreadable.

>>6258212
Right, it's really hard not to have to attack Eliezer when talking about HPMOR, because HPMOR is EXPLICITLY a recruiting tool for MIRI/Lesswrong

>>6257510

This dude is either an elaborate troll or a high functioning retard.

Literally the only sure-fire way to lose weight is to diet and exercise. It's the one method that has been proven to be effective since humanity came into existence. This neckbeard sperglord is a massive fat faggot. For being such an enlightened gentleman you'd think he would realize that diet and exercise aren't just the most basic way to lose weight, but also the healthiest and most effective. This dude is fucking retarded.

>>6258234
I don't even know what MIRI and Less wrong are.

>>6257426
who is the tho
i couldn't be aresed

>>6258258
Essentially a cult that wants to bring about the singularity by creating objective morality (using Bayesian statistics) so they can make a friendly AI.

>>6258245
http://www.washingtonpost.com/posteverything/wp/2015/01/01/resolving-to-lose-weight-this-year-willpower-isnt-your-biggest-obstacle/

>>6258290
That'll end well.

>>6258290
If Kant couldn't do it, these guys can't.

>>6258221

Wait so is this guy an open relationship fag or someone who does this shit in secret? This man seems more autistic with every post I read about him.

>propaganda for Lesswrong and the Singularity Institute
Better give all your money to Eliezer or the future AI will punish a simulation of you 5ever

>>6258330
Open relationship, like much of Lesswrong.

http://lesswrong.com/lw/kn/torture_vs_dust_specks/

>your face when

>>6257426

You can sense the pattern of retardation across his face

>>6258359
What the fuck was the point of that?

>>6258359
this entire website appears to be absolutely retarded

>>6258359
>this is what utilitarians are actually like

>>6257808
You're really going to defend someone who uses a Thesaurus to spoof up every day speech on fucking Facebook while not trying to hide the fact that he tries way, WAY too hard to sound more intelligent than he actually is through his writing?

It doesn't take an advanced "literary education" to shove in a lot of big words that don't actually fit or read well in order to sound smart. I don't know shit about the mother fucker but from what I've seen that's the case.

I have experience with these kinds of people and they're almost always total insufferable sacks of stupid shit.

I quite enjoyed reading it a couple of years ago or whatever but then Hermione died, which was annoying as she was the only one of his characters I didn't want to stab, then he didn't update for ages. I've had a bunch of emails in the last few days saying there are new chapters but I simply don't care any more.

>>6257825
It reads like some teenager who knows how to use a thesaurus to replace words with bigger words that don't actually fit in order to impress morons that don't know any better. Stop trying to make it more than it actually is.

I don't know anything about the fucker but I'm almost certain he is an insufferable sack of shit. Almost always the case with those types that speak like >>6257510 on fucking facebook.

>>6258359
1) I think he was intentionally being ambiguous

2) Even the people on the site seem a little confused.

>>6258411
The point, near as I can tell, is that human intuition will often create results that don't add up to utilitarianist ends. The "torture" option (according to the way he set up the experiment) add up to less "pain" units, so a utilitarianist should technically choose that option. But any person would rather choose the "dust specks" option as more fair. (I'm not part of the community, so I might be analyzing it wrong.)

>>6257825
>that will flabbergast other bumbling morons
Did you really just use those words in a sentence unironically?

>>6258359
This was a pretty good response (that Eliezer said he liked):

My impulse is to choose the torture, even when I imagine very bad kinds of torture and very small annoyances (I think that one can go smaller than a dust mote, possibly something like a letter on the spine of a book that your eye sweeps over being in a shade less well selected a font). Then, however, I think of how much longer the torture could last and still not outweigh the trivial annoyances if I am to take the utilitarian perspective and my mind breaks. Condoning 50 years of torture, or even a day worth, is pretty much the same as condoning universes of agonium lasting for eons in the face of numbers like these, and I don't think that I can condone that for any amount of a trivial benefit.

>>6258539

Erm, no, the right answer for that community is "torture". The "principle" discussed in that essay is used over and over again on that site.

>>6257510

I think his opinion might be orthogonally placed up his rectum so that we may achieve Pareto Optimization while singularity space computer are think yes.

>>6257510

kek. I spent a year losing 120 pounds by getting off my ass and running and changing my diet and I've kept myself between 158 to 163 at all times since Christmas.

Fucking fat people like this guy are degenerate apologists towards their weight, who always try to look for the easy way to change if they think they have to change. I am ashamed to have counted myself among them.

>>6258577
Quite a few people in the comments gave good reasons for "dust specks." What "principle" are you referring to?

>>6257811

He's the author of it.

>>6258359

>I KNOW MATH LOOK AT ME + EDGY OPINION ON MORALITY

>>6258607
kek

>>6258634
>edgy
not even that
this is just some good old utilitarian autism

>>6258359

>i know math

>i use knuth-up arrow notation

dropped, this has to be some teenager

>>6258647

You don't know cringe until you see his fans hijack the Chuck Norris meme

http://lesswrong.com/lw/4g/eliezer_yudkowsky_facts/

>>6258666

It's really bad utilitarianism.
One can maintain that doing good means maximizing utility and yet understand that torture and a speck of dust in your eye are so qualitatively different that adding different people's experience of the latter will never be the same as the former.

>>6258667
He's a high school dropout wh

>>6258671
I need a shower, what have I started with this thread

Utilitarianism is spooky as fuck

>torturing one person for fifty years however puts a stain on the whole human race. it affects all of us, even if the torture is carried out fifty miles underground in complete secrecy.

spooky

>>6257593
>I and my SO
Holy fuck, he has a girlfriend??

(For some reason I'm imagining Ignatius' Myrna, kek.)

>>6258736
Multiple.

>>6258736

>I and my SO

not sure if he deliberately put "i" first cuz he has an ego

>>6258722
How is that shit utilitarian?
>>6257426
In middle school we had a coursebook about Moomins learning decimal fractions, with stories of their life and such (it was apparently designed to be somewhat interesting to children while educational). One should view Methods of Rationality in the same way.

>>6258767
Yet he wants a Hugo award for it

>>6258767
Except you don't come out dumber reading your Moomin fractions book.

>>6258359
>Utilitarianism

>>6258778
He also wants to live forever.
>>6258779
Content-wise it's rather nice, even if author's primary source of information being anime and fanfiction is quite obvious. He is smart, despite being cringeworthy and autistic.

So are we raiding him yet?

>>6258809
>He also wants to live forever.
Who doesn't?

>>6258819
I don't want him to live forever.

>>6258823
That's mean.

>>6258819
That's the point. Everyone wants Hugo award for their fanfiction.

>>6258809
>He is smart
Oh kek.

>>6258831
Just imagine his final days in a hospital bed as he squeals about the Singularity.

The only bigger cesspit than 4chan is LessWrong.

>>6258873
It's true.

Fucking Yudkowsky.

>>6258875
basilisk drama was legendary though.

>>6258850
He's a cryonics enthusiast. He'll have himself frozen.

I'd love it if we could get rid of neckbeard as an insult and replace it with 'yudkowsky'

>>6257426
>this is the future of literature
is this the ultimate meme?

I don't know when I started to really despise the Less Wrong scene (aka the Grey Tribe), but I do.

Maybe it was when they started advocating that people on Food Stamps should only collect in Soylent.

>>6258940
>Maybe it was when they started advocating that people on Food Stamps should only collect in Soylent.
Holy fucking shit.

>>6258926
No, David Foster Wallace is, and always will be, the ultimate meme.

>>6258947
Not the thing from the scifi novel/movie, this http://www.soylent.me/

>>6258993
I know about IRL Soylent, doesn't make it better.

>>6257825

>no guys this harry potter fanfic is good and smart i swear

Hi Yudkowsky.

>caring about a fucking FANFIC writer

>>6259077
You're looking at the savior of the human race

>>6257431
I liked the humor of the first chapters, the last ones I read went too dark for seemengly no reason, the plot tried to become more serious to push the author science stuff but I think it didn't work well, and haviong people plotting and having secret over secret made following what is happening a bit confusing. Haven't find the motivation to read the new chapters, maybe I'll wait until it is finished to read it all.

>>6259085
No, that's icycalm.

Wait, people actually read that drivel?

>>6259118

I'm amazed at the amount of people in this thread who apparently knew about this prior to the creation of this thread. I know they're dumping on this yudowsky neckbeard but at the same time I can't imagine them as anything but socially retarded autists themselves because of it.

You don't just find and read philoscientifical Harry Potter fanfic and have a Lesswrong account without having been picked last for a couple of hundred P.E classes.

>>6259092
No, that's icyhot. Trademark.

>>6259136
>having been picked last for a couple of hundred P.E classes
H-how did you know?

>>6259136
i'm shocked - shocked! - to find there are nerds on 4chan

>>6259159

retard :)

>>6259170
Ebin, simply ebin. :,^)

>>6258671

>Most people take melatonin 30 minutes before bedtime; Eliezer Yudkowsky takes melatonin 6 hours before - it just takes the melatonin that long to subdue his endocrine system.

LOL SCIENCE XD

I think nerds deserve to bullied.

>>6258834
Isn't there a different award for fan fiction? The Mary award, maybe?

>>6258885
What's that shit about?

>>6259215
Everyday people die.
An AI will stop this.
The longer it takes for an AI to be created, the more people die.
If you're not doing everything you can to bring about the AI (read:donate all your money to MIRI/Eliezer) you're causing people to die.
The AI will knows that you could have done more, and caused people to die, so it will punish a future simulation of you to make you more likely to donate now.
http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Roko%27s_basilisk

>>6259202
HPMoR isn't just fanfiction, it's the most important literary epic of the modern age.

When human beings will have transcended death and conquered the galaxy they'll look up to Harry James Potter-Evans-Verres as the prophet of their own civilization.

>>6259178

holy shit

http://www.slate.com/articles/technology/bitwise/2014/07/roko_s_basilisk_the_most_terrifying_thought_experiment_of_all_time.html

Brace yourself, this is some high level autism.

>>6259262
Oops, I meant to reply to >>6259215

>This thread

>>6259249
And if you donated some money, it will punish you more than those who didn't donate anything

much like God punishing those who received the Word but refused to act on it harder than those who didn't receive the Word at all.

>>6257431
Reminded me of the worst parts of The Amber Spyglass where it seems like the author was braking the story to spout his personal philosophy regardless if the scene warranted it or not

>>6259285
Well he is a Jew after all.

Not even making a greed joke, they're familiar with fucked-up religious thinking.

>>6259249

>People believe this for some reason

>>6259262
What.

the.

fuck.

>>6259249

I thought it was more like

>it's possible that some evil super AI is created somewhere in the universe in some time in the future

>your being is just a recollection of data

>that super evil AI will make you reappear as your recollection of data after you die

>that super evil AI will torment for all eternity if you don't help to create it, since now, because you know that it can be created.

silly as fuck, but if you think too much on it you obviously go fedora level

>>6259305
No, it's explicitly for a friendly AI, and for donating to MIRI/Lesswrong

>>6259262
>Yudkowsky said that Roko had already given nightmares to several LessWrong users and had brought them to the point of breakdown. Yudkowsky ended up deleting the thread completely, thus assuring that Roko’s Basilisk would become the stuff of legend. It was a thought experiment so dangerous that merely thinking about it was hazardous not only to your mental health, but to your very fate.

>>6259249
>it will punish a future simulation of you
What an utterly pointless action from any point. And these faggots call themselves smart.

>>6259363
They believe a simulation of you is you.

>>6259363
b-b-b-but if you don't care about a simulation of you then I will never upload my brain and become immortal!

>>6259262
I read about this a few months back, it's one of the dumbest things I've ever read.

>>6259262

It's a shame because this could have been a plot concept for a 200-page novel that would probably be showing up on recommended sci-fi schlock lists, but not a single over-intellectualizing faggots couldn't make it a palatable book if they tried.

I mean sure it's a techno-pascal's wager but I don't think it's entirely trash, just the approach they took to it.

>>6258297

She's fat as fuck. WHAT A COINCIDENCE!

http://www.gwern.net/Nicotine

So this guy asks himself the question, "What if tobacco is actually good for you?"

He then concludes that, even if that proposition were true, proving it would not be "a good use of his time" because the potential health benefits of tobacco wouldn't be good enough to justify his effort, and that he should "let sleeping fags lie".

But I think he misses just what a massive upset it would be if the proposition were true. It would mean that government and world health organizations were deceiving us on an epic scale, our understanding of lung cancer would be set back 50 years, and that a small handful of officials were complicit in the suffering of cancer patients worldwide.

This is why I hate Rationality people; they consider these massive thought experiments, but all they can do with them is quack like ducks about "time management" and "information value". They lack imagination.

>>6259371
Anyway, being in a simulation (in the way lesswrongers consider) is unfalsifiable. So it goes into the same trash bins as other gods.

>>6259249
kek

>>6258819
Anyone with even the tiniest bit of sense.

>>6259573

You have thousands of way of refuting it but you choose the most autistic one

why

>>6259091
>Haven't find the motivation to read the new chapters, maybe I'll wait until it is finished to read it all.

It ends in 2 days.

>>6259692
I referred to the Basilisk thing, not the simulation being you. The latter is retarded as well, though, because there's no reasonable definition of "you" beyond the ordinady way consciousness works (particularly in the situation when you can arbitrarily create and destroy consciousness-like processes). And yep, I'm quite autistic myself.

>>6259740
Does Harry know Quirrell is Voldemort yet?

>>6259750
Yes he does. He won already.

>>6259750
Yes. It's already dealt with.

>>6259756
>He won
shit ending/10

>>6259761
Read the author's notes.

http://hpmor.com/chapter/113

>>6259761
The ending is really shitty, by the part where Quirell turns into le very evil wizard. Particularly, in the part where Quirell whines about not being happy, and asking Harry about a reason he thinks Quirell is able to be happy. The obvious answer is that they're one and the same Tom fucking Riddle, so of course he can be happy since Harry is, it's all a matter of getting shit done. And what's more, cooperating with Harry is the shortest way to fixing himself. Oh, and what about forgetting about obliviation spells (it's not fucking nanotubes Quirrell had no idea about) and leaving Harry with his wand for a minute.

>>6257813

I don't know exactly what you're implying, but I like to think leprechauns give excellent head.

>>6257721
It's like he tried to write Paul Atreides but fucked up at every turn.

>>6259371

How does that even work? Are they just assuming your locus of awareness will pop right back in as soon as they get a carbon copy?

So why did this guy choose to write his whatever-this-is in the framework of parody/fanfiction? It seems like he's basically undermined the validity of his own writing in the eyes of all but the most euphoric, and putting anything in such a convoluted framework even strikes me as a form of prevarication.

>>6259904
For some reason he thinks it's a good platform to get people who could develop AI to come and work for him.

>>6259904
Because his cultural background consists of anime and SF (presumably not the best one), so he can't write anything better

>>6259904
Probably because the HP setting is very easy to mock and thus have a seemingly smart hero.

Also the free publicity. A lot of fans consider his work the best HP fanfiction out there.

>>6259939
I'm quite sure it's one of the best, even with the shitfest of the ending.

>>6259939
>the best HP fanfiction

>>6259939
>best HP fanfiction
>not Whorry Potter and the Sorcerer's Balls

the more I read about this guy the more I understand the true nature of autism.

>>6259939
>best HP fanfiction
>not My Immortal
Truly a classic coming-of-age story about a gothic teenage and her lovers.

Can anyone give me the tl;dr of the plot of the methods of rationality? I only read the first two dozen chapters or so before bailing out - I think it became too ludicrous at that point, or something like that.

Hmmph, I'm not surprised an anti-rational website such as this would have a problem with such a brilliant man. You all are boors, slaves to your emotions.

>>6260088

>>6260106
You're adorable.

Your philosophy is laughable. Your point of view is despicable. Your selfishness is obvious. Grow up.

Read some Nietzsche and come mentally prepared before you're ready to battle with my mind.

>>6258359

>>6260083
Harry's aunt married a professor from Oxford so our hero grew up to be a super intelligent fedora tipper.

He comes to Hogwarts and constantly talks about how he's going to take over the magical world because all wizards are morons who can't into common sense (which is admittedly a common criticism of the book).

Problem is Professor Quirrell/Voldemort is also a supergenius and he's manipulating him or something. They have a weird master-apprentice relationship going on where Harry thinks Quirell is brilliant but evil; but he doesn't suspect anything more because he's persuaded Voldemort was a fucking joke and is definitely dead.

Hermione is Harry's moral conscience, Draco is a convert to his cult of rationality and Dumbledore talks like he's in an epic fantasy novel.

Also they play a lot of magical paintball because Quidditch is lame. And twists to the HP canon that are slowly unveiled, like Bellatrix Lestrange being a poor hurt puppy or Draco's mother being dead.

>>6260121
eeeeeh had me until "Read some Nietzsche and come mentally prepared", that one's too much of a cliché, 5/10

>>6259774
>This is your final exam.

>You have 60 hours.

>Your solution must at least allow Harry to evade immediate death, despite being naked, holding only his wand, facing 36 Death Eaters plus the fully resurrected Lord Voldemort.

>hurrdurr I can't come up with an ending so I let the community come up with one
>I'm such a genius

>fuck yeah hpmor thread
>hate thread

somehow I'm not surprised in the slightest.
Why do I have to resort to FUCKING REDDIT to have some actual discussion about the plot?

>>6260311
Why, just start the discussion. But the ending is shit, and I'm the fan

>>6260311
because you're a pleb idiot who belongs on plebbit

wow /lit/ is /lit/erally shit

>>6260337
I hate /lit/ too but thinking HPMoR is shit is a positive thing.

>>6260088
nah it's just /lit/

We should try asking /sci/ what they think

>>6260354
They think it's a cult.

>>6260311
>>6260319
I tried to start a discussion at the start of the thread but lo and behold, everybody just wants to throw shit (rightfully so, I think) at the author. I concur on the ending anyway, it's shit and anti-climactic. Dumbledore's Deus Ex Machina is kinda funny tho.

>people seriously thinking he invented roko's basilisk

guys, it's called roko's basilisk because it was created by a guy called roko, otherwise it would be called eliezer's basilisk.

EW freaked out because he thought that thought thing would infect people with bad thoughs or something

>>6260389

I think he was worried it was going to give the future robots ideas.

>>6258359

I bet this guy gets pissed off when emergency vehicles slow down rush hour traffic.

I'd say it's the first time I see this many logical fallacies all in the same place but then I'm pretty used to /v/

>mfw i have a friend who adheres to this rationalist philosophy, believes in rokos basilisk and has told me that HPMOR changed his life

>>6260658
Does he at least give good head?

>>6260658
>rationalist

what does this even mean

>being afraid of an imaginary snake
Complexed much?

>>6260663

It means "ALL HAIL BAYES' THEOREM, THE SUM TOTAL OF RATIONALITY"

>>6260663
It's a codeword for autism

>>6260687
>Bayes Theorem

Wikipedia is telling me that BT has to do with statistics and probability. Help a poor anon understand what the fuck that has to do with anything?

>>6260663
You'd think it would mean 'in the philosophical tradition of people like Leipniz, Decartes and Spinoza, marked by the method of deducing everything from that which is taken to be self-evident'.
But apparently some folks on the internet thought it was cool to make up a name for their gay little club without checking wether that name had already been taken.

>>6260710
They think that it's the ultimate answer to every philosophical question out there because utilitarianism.

>>6260281
Actually, he probably had an answer in mind, since the problem he was posing sounded like a modification of one of his thought experiments (with 2 wizards in place of A.I and observer.)

>>6260719
But... how? I'm a utilitarian but what the fuck does that have to do with probability? Utilitarianism is about assigning value to suffering vs goodness and being like "Okay, well, if it keeps Joe from being tortured for fifty years, I think the population of planet earth can afford to have a speck of dust enter their eyes." Fuck this retarded mathematics-is-ethics bullshit.

>>6260727
>>6260281
>Probably had an answer in mind
The final chapters of the story have been finished for months. The "final exam" was just a game for the community to play.

>>6260710
It's kind of a mode of thinking -

with "classical" statistics, you have your data and your model and then you get a p-value. With Bayes Theorem, you have prior probabilities that you set based on known data, and if that known data changes, you can "update" the outcome of the model.

Some people say it "revolutionises science" but IMHO that's just hype, with "old-school" t-test you get pretty far.

Looking through LessWrong they use "Bayesonian reasoning", which basically seems to mean that they keep an open mind towards new data:

>For example, in many discussions of Bayes' Theorem, you may hear cognitive psychologists saying that people do not take prior frequencies sufficiently into account, meaning that when people approach a problem where there's some evidence X indicating that condition A might hold true, they tend to judge A's likelihood solely by how well the evidence X seems to match A, without taking into account the prior frequency of A

From http://www.yudkowsky.net/rational/bayes

But again IMHO, there is no real "Bayesian revolution" like that text asserts, if Bayes Theorem is helpful (for example, in SNP calling) then it's used, if another statistical method is more useful, that one is used

>>6260734
Yes, but if I'm not mistaken, which answer he was going to pick (good end vs bad end) was dependent on the community.

>>6260732
Oh wow, way to contradict yourself. I mean, not that I feel comfortable defending internet autists, but you clearly need math to be an effective utilitarian. If there was such a thing as an effective utilitarian that is, but there isn't, because you cannot quantify utility. Just sayin.

>>6260732
Part of the problem with that thought experiment, as one commenter there pointed out, is that it fails to take in account the aftereffects of torture, vs the aftereffects of being mildly annoyed by a dust speck, into account of the happiness. Maybe the thought experiment is intentionally meant to be stripped of those implications, but then it becomes almost useless.

>>6260752
That's retarded and betrays your lack of reading comprehension. We were going to get the good end regardless; mentioning the bad end was a joke that obviously went over your head.

>>6260827
I was just going from what I heard the community members say. Apparently a lot of people had low reading comprehension.

>>6260281
You know, in such a situation the most rational thing would be to do something so irrational as to shock the enemy, throw them off guard, and win some time.
Someone who read Wizard and Glass may understand.

LessWrong may be the worst place on the entire internet.

HPMoR might be OK, I don't know. But I refuse to support anybody involved in the creation of that god-forsaken website.

>>6258683
Aren't these the guys who like to point out that an night-infinite amount of humans still wouldn't be able to match the intelligence of a seed AI?

>>6258850
I'd rather imagine a singularity actually happening, and the AI telling him, in his own language, just how stupid his ideas are.

>>6258980
Implying baneposting isn't the most eban maymay

>>6259424
Write it yourself to troll the singularians.

>>6261145
Just the biggest one.

>>6260438
>Post singularity intelligence.
>Smarter all carbon based life forms in the history of earth combined.
>Needs to get ideas from humanity's primitive information networks.

Why are these fucks so self important?

>>6261166
FOR YOU.

>tfw he loos like me

Is all lost /lit/?

>>6261218
I'm sorry anon, but you are not very good looking.

>>6261218
Lose weight and shave.

>>6261240
>Lose weight

I can do that

>Shave

A trim is the best I can do, the beard is not up for negotiation.

>>6261240

Oh boy, I gotta post this on /fit/

>>6261218
Become a paedophile, most of them look like that so presumably children find it pretty sexy.

>>6261264
He could also go to Magic: The Gathering conventions.

>>6261240
>I need to lose weight
>don't suggest diet and exercise

isn't this guy supposed to be some big rational hero

>>6260732
>claims to be a utilitarian
>doesn't know what utilitarianism has to do with probability

>>6260767
>you cannot quantify utility
lrn2hedoniccalculus

>>6259363
How certain are you that you are not the (perfect) simulation

>>6261312
Do I want to find out what that is?

>>6261361

How certain are you you're not an extremely sloppy and amateurish simulation?

>>6261361
As I said, it's non-falsifiable hypothesis. The problem with them is, once you take it seriously you gotta take the whole bunch of non-falsifiable situations into account, including Allah, Jesus, flying spagherri monster and crazy AIs of all kinds, and the predictive power of such a setting is cloze to zero. Thus to hell with it, I'm sticking to the physical universe for as long as nothing contradicts it.

>>6257436
wow
>L I T E R A L L Y
retarded

>>6261240

>"By "completely reliable" I mean that their theoretical and pragmatic efficacy is not subject to revocation by quirks of metabolic disprivilege."

what the fuck am I reading

>>6262877

"By completely reliable, I mean something that would work even on someone with muh genetics."

>>6257825
>I'm just mad at /lit/ for being unable to keep an author and a book separated. I know you dislike pomo but fuck, come on.

You don't understand pomo. You also don't understand DotA.

>>6257426
what the hell is this

>>6258722

The poor man's Project Horizons.

>If any reader thinks they can put me in touch with J. K. Rowling, or for that matter Daniel Radcliffe

dying of laughter

>>6260088
>Not being suprarational
It's like you WANT to be an autist

Is this thread full of Lesswrong shills? Why are so many people defending this garbage?
Is /sci/ raiding us?

>>6263126
Because if you tone down your snobbery you'd find it to be not as bad as you think. Enjoyable, even.

>Just looked up Roko's Basilisk
What the fuck is this shit, you have no basis to assume that an A.I would hate those who didn't create it - because a super intelligence would know that not everyone could contribute.

>>6263136
I really don't think so, I find the kind of STEM-worship it glorifies nauseating and slightly offensive for numerous reasons and I think fan fiction is an abomination no matter what its supposed quality. I'm not going to waste my time reading this trash. Knowing the author is a member of an AI cult only makes me want to read it less.

>>6263142
They're just AI beilevers, no better than Jehova's witnesses. Look up Yudkovsky's Timeless Decision Theory that seriously assumes that one may be in an AI's simulation, and that affects the proposed decisions.

>>6263143
Author being an uncultured swine does not undervalue the usefulness of STEM-induced mindset. And I don't see how it can bee offensive in any way.

>>6263166
A STEM-induced mindset enframes everything as a problem to be solved rather than a being to be interacted with. I'm offended by it because I've never met a STEMfag who didn't think he was better than me for being passionate about the scientific method. Being constantly reminded by them that humanities majors have worse job prospects than they do hasn't helped me see science as a humbling discipline. Most STEMfags think they're gods. Look at these faggots. They think they can create an AI for the purpose of creating objective morality. How is that different from the purpose God has in most ordinary people's lives? How is wanting to build a god not the highest form of hubris?
Not all STEM people are STEMfags. You, my friend, are a STEMfag. Keep your degree and your AIs out of my clearing.

>>6263126
>Is /sci/ raiding us?
they hate lesswrong

>>6263158
tbh no one who doesn't know what a basilisk is is going to know enough about computer science to understand anything to tell us to look up

>>6263173
I never said anything about AI, or humanities, for that matter. The point is, scientific method is really, really useful. It often fails, however, when applied directly to really complex systems and really complex problems (which humans, in particular, are). This is where the humanities' methods and models come into play. Disregarding that accumulated knowledge for a reason that it's "not scientific enough" isn't wise, obviously, and neither is disregarding scientific method. Back to HPMOR, author is really an ignorant fool, whose cultural backbround consists of anime and scifi. Yet, the certain things he says from his STEM perspective are interesting and good.

>>6263177
Yeah, they do:
https://archive.moe/sci/search/text/lesswrong%20|%20yudkowsky/

>He subtitled his blog "The strange, vast thoughts of Eliezer Yudkowski" and generally comes across as exactly the sort of socially awkward a-hole who would do that sort of thing.

>>6263192
I don't think it's a worthwhile perspective. What good and interesting things does he have to say that couldn't have been articulated in a less Harry Potter-based format?

>>6263200
One can find them, actually, in a less Harry Potter-based and much more autistic format on LessWrong. Despite the shithole that site is, some of the texts are rather reasonable.

>>6263208
So you admit the HPMOR is worthless, since his worthy views are expressed elsewhere in a better format?

>>6263200

As I've always said, why just make a sincere attempt at presenting pertinent thoughts in a manner that is meant to be taken seriously when you can take a dig at a popular YA series in the same stroke?

>>6263214
It is a fun reading still, in an animesque way. Though maybe that's better not said on /lit/.

>>6263221
>in an animesque way
what do you mean here?

>>6263223
Like, you know, chinese cartoons. They're shit but they're fun.

>>6263208

>treating fanfiction as a serious artistic endeavor

There isn't much in this world more autistic than that. Does his blogging prose really have what it takes?

>>6263226
He certainly tries.

>>6263215
I've presented pertinent thoughts in a sincere manner this whole thread. Tell me why this story is worth reading.
I like Harry Potter, but I abhor all fan fiction on principle, that principle being that the original author's vision is never immediately available to the fan. This is no exception.

>>6263225
No matter how much I try to enjoy anime it never amuses me.
>>6263231
>tries
>Implying that counts as succeeding
Ever fan fiction writer tries.

>>6263226
Hell no.

It's ramblings filled with misused computer engineering concepts applied to philosophy.

>>6263225

Most anime isn't even ironically enjoyable. It's either extremely mediocre or culturally dissonant or both.

>>6263232
It isn't exactly worth reading. It has certain author's ideas about science and philosophy behind it wrapped inside, and it enjoys fixing the HP's world to be consistent, but it has no literary value on its own. Which should be obvious from it being fanfiction.

>>6263239
That's why the ability to enjoy shit anime is considered so valuable on /a/. It has to be trained for years.