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>>6379039

Weed, not interested in anything else

>>6379039
no to all of them. or sort of for the last one. i know a lot of terrible people who do drugs, but i don't think the drugs are the cause of it

Yes.
Weed, coke, alcohol, cigarettes, opiates whenever I get them (really hard to get in my country), nootropics, LSD and other psychedelics rarely.
No, as long as you're not being a burden on other people. But that's hardly exclusive to drugs.

Heroin addict
Had done drugs casually for years, just kind of fell into thinking it was the same thing
Turns out its not.

daily regiment consists of roughly ten bowls of marijuana, three medium cups of coffee, one caffeinated soda, fifteen filtered cigarettes and one tallcan of domestic beer

1. Yes.
2. I don't want to implicate myself in full view of the Botnet.
3. n/a
4. The use? No. The sale? Certainly.

I have consumed:
Alcohol
Cannabis
Tobacco
Cocaine
Heroin
Methamphetamine
DXM
DPH
LSD
LSA
LSZ
DMT
5-meo-DMT
4-aco-DMT
5-meo-MIPT
5-meo-DIPT
Mescaline
MDMA
2ce
2ci
2cb
2cd
25i
25b
DOM
DOB
DOC
Bromodragonfly
DPT
Nitrous
Ketamine

>>6379045
how do you know something like DMT or mushrooms wouldnt introduce completely novel concepts that could forever alter your life?

for a drug that lasts only 5 minutes DMT seems unparalleled, if only it was abundant as marijuana i could try it

Who's that guy in the water glass?

>>6379099
Nice dubs.

Follow the instructions here if you want your life to change:
http://catbull.com/alamut/Bibliothek/DMT_Handbook.pdf

>>6379039
>Do drugs?
Yes. Now that I'm in my mid twenties, I pretty much just have a beer after work every night and a few hits of pot.
And I guess there's the sleeping pills take every night... Just a cocktail of benadryl and similar drugs.


(useless skipable chunk)
But I've done basically everything save for meth and heroine. I've done quite a few of the drugs in the benzodiazepine family, LSD, mushrooms, MDMA, Mephedrone, Adderal, ritalin, various painkillers, cough syrup lolz, nitrous oxide (so delicious; definitely a favorite of mine. Still do whippets ever few months), amyl nitrates (great for fapping; not just for anal stuff), a lot of different designer drugs that I can't identify (25x-nbomes, stuff like that), coke, cigarettes, DMT, LSA, DOx (not sure which), Salvia (multiple times but it never worked for me), various synthetic cannaboids (shitty), Kava, Kratom, large dose DPH (to delirium)

I don't think of drugs as a moral issue, though. I think there are always going to be people who can't handle their drugs.

I don't think drugs do a ton for creativity, though, and I think that it is more difficult to get a lot done when I'm using them often. Usually find my motivation goes to shit.

There's literally nothing I love more than to smoke a bowl or three and watch Wes Anderson movies while eating. It's the most comfortable thing I have ever done, and will likely ever do. I've had to quit for now though, it was making me lazy and it made my schoolwork suffer. Otherwise, I drink on the weekends with friends, and smoke 1-4 cigarettes a day, depending on stress.

I tried Salvia once. The only way I could describe it, is awesome, in the traditional "awe-some" sense of the word. I saw beautiful things, had amazing dreams that stretched into infinity. At one point, I lived among the most simple beings, just ghostly entities that forever watched a setting sun and appreciated the forever-end.

Once I woke up, I was paralyzed on the bed, and I could feel a horrible presence enter the room. It was dark, looming, massive, and insidious. It wanted to take me, and would have, if my friend hadn't walked in. I'm absolutely sure that I saw a demon, or whatever sort of infernal being that could be described as it.

Do you guys ever wonder why literally EVERYONE who trips enough eventually sees the Devil or some comparable entity? He exists, and psychedelics open you to see him. I'm never doing Salvia again. Fuck that shit.

>>6379130
I've tripped on many different substances and had a handful of bad trips and I've never seen "the devil".

>>6379099

when I took dmt I blacked out for 10 minutes and woke up with puke on my jeans, unable to understand spoken language for several minutes. It felt like I was consciously going through every stage of waking up from a nightmare

would recommend

>>6379130

>Be told about the devil and evil your whole life, and that drugs are evil.
>Do drugs and see the devil.

Definitely proof that the devil exists.

>>6379152
I'm an agnostic bruh. I saw Salvia as a spiritual experience, not something I felt guilty over.
>>6379137
I'm more talking about the hippy generation that fried hard and fried often. Most of them are dead now, but my father was telling me about all the guys he knew that would see horrible things years down the road.

>>6379130
>encountering sleep paralysis
>must hve been devil
kek

i have done most kinds of drugs, too many to list.
mushrooms are good for you.


>>6379130
>EVERYONE who trips enough eventually sees the Devil or some comparable entity
that's your jungian shadow. if you explore your brain, you will meet different aspects of yourself.

>>6379161

Doy you can be swagnostic and still have subconscious mental associations from yr dum dum culture effect you.

If done all of the street drugs that a random person would know the name of, except heroin.

Taking really pure coke along with drinking is basically the best feeling you can feel.

Morally?

I'm not sure I know what that means, but I think that drugs and drinking are bad if you do them alone. They could be net beneficial if you do them with friends, but doing them alone, there is nothing more to drugs than the high and the hangover, and the hangover always seems longer.

MDMA interests me.

>>6379039
yes.

Alcohol, cigarrettes and pot.

Drugs are a good way to escape from reality which is, by my standards, something bad.
The worse part about this is that drugs can become an habit that will eventually take control of your life, taking away your independance. This decision is hardly a conscious one since your judgement is altered by the drug and you end up living to said drug.
Now, this isn't something that will occur to everyone, and there's people more prone to this kind of behavior than others (mostly poorly educated and low class folks).
Also, there's plenty of things that can grow on you until you're dependant of that said thing that aren't drugs, which means it's not the drugs itself the ones that are "bad" but, like I said previously, it seems like there's certain people who will find in drugs and escape from a reality they never liked in the first place, which is a problem by itself and not something that should be considered a problem just when said person becomes a drug addict.

Not currently except cigarettes and coffee. Haven't for about a year now.

Have done weed, alcohol, coke, acid, dmt, and an assortment of pills.

I don't anymore because it became boring. The people I did it with eventually became boring and petty, and the drugs themselves were at their best just a nice relief for a few hours or something like that. Not to mention the drama that comes with dealing, dealing with other dealers, OD, etc. It becomes pretty depressing once you've been doing it for years and you realize that the friends you started doing shit with, and who were stupid, never got any better and just got left behind by everyone else. Go to an AA or NA meeting and you'll see what I mean. You forget that there are those people in other little cliques that you just don't see anymore and years later they are still at. Plus when you're family is in it. You see the negative side pretty quickly.

Of course they are. Should I or should I not do x? Should x be legal or illegal to use, produce, and sell?

>>6379039
>Hey /lit/ do you do drugs?
le boxxy 'I don't do drugs gif'
Actually I take modafinil every day and occasionally amphetamines but they just make me anxious. No more weed or party drugs because I can feel my brain melting away
>If so what kind?
Also alcohol and caffeine. Oh and mushrooms and lsd because spirituality
>If not tell us why?
inb4 degneracy or some equally idiotic /pol/ reductio argument
>Are drugs a moral issue?
There are people who think everything is a moral issue. They're not for me

>>6379093
how informative and enlightening. please, list the chemical structure of each one as well

Also I take benzos like xanax and etizolam, good for stopping a bad acid trip in its tracks or cutting out the apocalypse running through your veins after speeding all day

You could not pay me to do salvia again. If you wanna know what it feels like to be insane, try salvia.

I drink way too much I'm trying to cut back.

Weed, alcohol, cigarettes, LSD, shrooms, opiates (by far my favorite).

Only do opiates when I get them legit prescribed, I get a nasty cough at least once per winter and usually get a nice bottle of syrup for it. No better drug for sitting down with a cup of coffee and a book. I fantasize often about picking up a serious habit but I'm too much of a pussy.

Weed stopped working and started giving me anxiety (just like Dr. Drew always said it would, eventually)

I don't like making a fool out of myself so I only drink to excess when I'm alone.

Acid and shrooms did a lot for me but the existential anxiety really ruined a good year or so of my life.

Quit smoking cigarettes for the most part, scared of cancer and they make me restless.

>>6379130
lol youre a retard

>>6379039
I smoke a lot of weed, me and my gf all day everyday. Living in the Netherlands is nice.

Used to do a lot of MDMA and speed, now I just do coke every now and again.

Drugs are not a moral issue, drug addiction and abuse is symptomatic of societal issues.
Cannabis addiction is a financial issue.

Weed, alcohol, going to get into hallucinogenics, opiates and amphetamines later. I do it because there is nothing else to do. Feeling good is the only thing I have to look forward to. I keep it to myself and my friends and expect other druggos to do the same and for others to respect my decisions

>>6379039
If I smoke as much as one joint I think I'm dying (if I,m alone). If I,m in public I think the other people want to kill me. So no.

>>6379183
>But what's worse the pain or the hangover?

>>6379392
Most likely you have an issue with cannabis.
Have a friend who him and his whole family are the same, he loves cocaine though.

Tried a research chemical that's supposedly similar to psilocybin but with a shorter duration.

Suffered temporary ego loss, which I now equate to Hell. No more drugs for me.

>>6379419
What was that like?

>>6379392
>If I smoke as much as one joint I think I'm dying
Same. When I was in my early teens I could smoke joints like most people smoke cigarettes. Now one tiny hit of a weak joint and I'm staring at a wall for three hours, dribbling from the corner of my mouth.

I used to love being stoned, so I give it a try every few years or so, but just can't smoke it.

>>6379634
smoke salvia

>>6379672
Ok

I was on weed and alcohol for a long time, but I've quit now, since I'm taking antidepressants. Don't what shit may the combination of these may cause.

I still have the habbit of coffee and cigarettes though.

No, not a moral issue, more like financial.

>>6379654

I'm just now realizing that this is me. I still smoke like once a week because I convince myself it will be fun, and sometimes it is, but it's not worth the absolutely miserable experiences.

>>6379099
DarkNet

>>6379727

who the fuck put dilbert on darknet

Not anymore, I'm str8 edge now

Drugs are for degenerates. for the lower class. they're here put in place by the bouge wah zee to put your lower class scum in the ground where you belong. and the real kicker? you actually think youre "freeing your mind". ha! we cuck you every day and you'll love it and ask for more.

>>6379805
Nice meme, bro

>>6379039
>Best tier
non-research psychedelics
Benzodiazepine
alcohol

>good-but-too-often-turns-you-into-an-asshole tier
weed
coke

>dirty rave drugs which are only fun in specific contexts
MDMA
ketamine
whatever random pills your dealer happens to be selling at that time

>why.jpg
heroin
cigarettes

>>6379039
Done
Weed: fun in HS, but now it just makes me feel groggy and lazy
Alcohol: would be 10/10 if it weren't for nausea/hangovers
LSD: super fun but the comedown is really awful and you see a lot of flaws in yourself, but this is part of why it's a great drug
Shrooms: like acid but a bit less geometric in terms of the visuals and feeling, if that makes any sense
4-ACO-MeT: decent psychedelic but skip it if you can get acid or shrooms
Coke: tried it once, didn't affect me at all
Adderall: helps my executive function disorder, I should get a prescription

Would do
Anything that Shulgin wrote about in TIHKAL and PIKHAL
Peyote
Ayahuasca
DMT
Molly
Xanax
Lean

>>6379942
>Anything that Shulgin wrote about in TIHKAL and PIKHAL
Even the one that leaves you normal apart from fierce auditory hallucinations? That would scare the shit out of me.

>>6379942
Oh, I was also given an unconsciousness-inducing IV of ketamine when I broke my arm. I was maybe 13-14 at the time, believed I had died and was sort of blase about it.

>>6379942
>Would do
>Peyote
>Ayahuasca
>DMT
>Molly
>Xanax
Done all of the above, but what is:
>Lean?

>>6379955
As long as there's no real long-term health risk or strong addictive potential, I suppose.
>>6379960
Codeine syrup

>>6379960
Codeine + Promethazine in syrup form

A weak opiate that's ultimately a waste of money, basically.

>>6379924
embarrassing

>>6379960
Lean is basically cough syrup.

>>6379924
>>Best tier
>Benzodiazepine

>>why.jpg
>heroin

What the fuck? Opiates are God tier. All opiates apart from codeine, which would go in 'best tier'.

>>6379634

Didn't have a sense of identity for two hours, which was especially unenjoyable because it happened at the tail end of the experience and I didn't have any interesting hallucinations to distract me from the fact.

>>6379980
>Didn't have a sense of identity for two hours,
>which was especially unenjoyable
>didn't have any interesting hallucinations to distract me

If you had full loss of ego and personal identity, then who was finding it unenjoyable and desiring distractions?

Surely one without ego would be at peace and not desiring things or wanting more enjoyable experiences?

>>6379419
25i-nBome?

>>6379996
its scarier than you might think

1. Depends on what you define as a drug
2/3. I drink heavily
4. Yes they are a moral issue. So is drinking.

>>6379183
>hasn't done heroin
>thinks he knows the "best feeling you can feel"

>>6379996

I was a collection of sensory inputs with access to a limited range of memories regarding the body that those inputs were being gathered by. It was like all the nerve pathways connecting data collection to data processing had been cut.

I could almost remember what it was like to be myself, but I was this useless thing instead. I could remember where the house was that the body I was inhabiting normally slept and ate, but I couldn't identify it as home. I could look at my watch and note that it was 5:30 in the evening, but I couldn't connect that timeframe to anything meaningful.

It was like being a blank slate that knew it shouldn't be one. It was terrifying.

Alcohol, medication

Because I've seen a lot of people, including friends, get really fucked up from drugs.I'm a paramedic student so I see OD's and shit pretty often and it turns me off a lot of drugs. And friends have gone from doing weed once, to monthly, to weekly, to daily and dropping out of school.

I dont care to tell other people not to do it, but my experiences are enough for me to tell myself not to.

My life is a perpetual cycle of caffeine, alcohol, marijuana, and masturbation, which I'm counting as an addiction.

>moral issue

I used to smoke a lot of marijuana but I've really cut back in favor of alcohol. I still vape, but more selectively; it's more of a tolerance game for me, I love to stop for months and then smoke a gram joint in a sitting, absolutely amazing time. I have a nicotine habit when I drink a lot or when I'm on uppers, which is about bimonthly (I have a rule for MDMA and cocaine to limit strain on my mood swings). I've tried something in every category of "drugs" and I think my favorite is ketamine, though it's really not for everyone. My attitude towards drugs is to get as fucked up as possible, and ketamine is perfect there. Really I'm more of a psychonaut, I think at least all hallucinogens should be regulated and legalized so people can know exactly what they're purchasing and know that it's pure. I'm not a big fan of amphetamines but really good blow is an amazing upper and I highly recommend it if you're male. MDMA is good for anyone, it's a wonderful experience, and like a lot of drugs great in combination with weed. I think everyone should try LSD once in their life, it's truly humbling, and if you really enjoy taking yourself out of the element (or getting trapped inside) a high psychedelic dosage always provides a memorable time. My favorite experience was a 50 mg 4 AcO trip, probably the scariest and most fascinating five hours trapped inside my mind, and my most memorable was mixing ketamine, some cheap acid and alcohol at a party last summer. If you're willing to confront yourself, I highly recommend 4 AcO as a powder alternative to shrooms and for the love of God people get really, really fucking drunk. It's so honest it's a sin to avoid it.

>>6380100
Everything is masturbation.

>>6380153
Ketamine is pretty sweet, if you get the chance do nitrous out of a tank.

Rarely. Alcohol tastes disgusting, and it doesn't even have much of an effect on me besides messing up my balance and co-ordination. Nicotine makes me lightheaded in a way I don't particularly enjoy. I have enjoyed weed and amphetamine on the occasions I've taken them, but I've never found myself missing the high when it's over. I mean, if someone offers a joint I usually don't say no, but I get far more joy out of, say, a good book, playing video games, working out or just taking a nice walk outside.

>>6380217
You sound like a little bitch and boring person.

>>6380217

>Alcohol tastes disgusting

You are a little bitch

>>6379130
What you felt is called sleep paralysis. When you're awake but your body is still "asleep". Sometimes sufferers of sleep paralysis suffer from hallucinations, which is what must have happened to you.

>>6379039

Booze and weed only these days, with occasionaly shrooms and some coke periodically that I constantly and instantly regret. I'll maybe do some valium or similar from time to time but I've basically given up drugs.

>>6379039
caffeine and nicotine - my old friends

:^)

>>6380265
>>6380269
He's right. Not a man in history has tried beer for the first time and went "Mmm, this tastes good.".

You force yourself to drink it and eventually you find it tolerable. It's an acquired taste and essentially social indoctrination to either fit in or act somehow superior. There's the whole idiotic culture of "blackout drunk erry night xDDD" and the higher brow morons going wine tasting and sipping whiskey, as if its some measure of culture.

You may well enjoy the sensation of being drunk, but you're full of shit if you think it tastes good (ignoring shit like alchopops which are specifically designed to mask the shitty flavours).

>>6380301
Hard ass in the building

>>6380301
>Not a man in history has tried beer for the first time and went "Mmm, this tastes good.".

I can personally tell you that you're a liar and a scoundrel.

I loved beer the first time I had it, and I loved cider even more before that. I'm also unusual that I liked whiskey at a really young age.

You should have a beverage and relax m8, take the weight off your str8 edge bullshit.

>>6380301
You're a faggot.

>>6379252
does etiz really stop a trip in its tracks? i've been wanting to try acid and my mate said etizolam - which i've tried a few times - completely stops it and puts you to sleep but that sounded way over-exaggerated

>>6380269
Ever taste your own shit? Of course you haven't you little bitch, because you aren't a real man like me who puts repulsive things in his mouth.

Occassionally.
Pot, X, Coke sometimes.
No. They're an issue of sanity. Every living thing needs a break. Some mammals eat poison berries to get it, others literally bang their heads against a tree trunk, but we all need a sensory escape sometimes. Drugs only become a problem if you use them too much or if you're stupid enough to buy cut product.

only the fairy :^)

>>6380571
> Drugs only become a problem if you use them too much
This is a pretty silly statement from someone using mdma, since no one really knows what constitutes too much yet and long term brain damage even from sporadic use isn't ruled out yet.

>>6379039
Substances should not be regarded as having inherent moral issues but rather something that will be experienced and has the possibility to become a moral issue. I've mostly been doing whatever opioids I can score. I'm buying ketamine within the month so that will be cool I hope.

>>6380301
>You force yourself to drink it and eventually you find it tolerable. It's an acquired taste and essentially social indoctrination to either fit in or act somehow superior. There's the whole idiotic culture of "blackout drunk erry night xDDD" and the higher brow morons going wine tasting and sipping whiskey, as if its some measure of culture.

>I really really really hate people who like to enjoy themselves and do social things in social environments with other people enjoying themselves

Just because you're 20 it doesn't mean you're some adult now because you look at social events from a false throne developed by angst in the form of exclusiveness.

I know how ironic this may seem...but grow up.

>>6379143
twist: you live alone and your mouth doesn't taste like puke

>>6379975
Opiates might be god tier, but in order to enjoy them one must eventually sacrifice his lowly humanity.

Yes, coffee and beer.

>>6379039
My body is a temple, I shall not profane it with drugs.

I never understood why people do drugs. What is the goal of it?

Also considering I was tripping balls on a Redbull, I avoid caffeine in signification amounts among other things people don't often consider drugs.

I do take medical ones as needed in rare cases, like Ibuprofen and Zyrtec

Cocaine on weekends. Helps with my migraines, whereas weed just seems to worsen them.
Mostly I just like to have a drink at a nice bar and smoke.

>>6380301
>he doesn't realise desire is learned from the desires of others

In fact, it's not even a case of simply finding it tolerable. Eventually you can be convinced that it tastes good even if, hypothetically, you were initially raised in a dry environment or didn't enjoy it on your first taste. That doesn't mean that the enjoyment of the taste of alcohol isn't real though, you're committing a genetic fallacy by assuming that mimicry isn't a real expression of desire.

>>6380630
>I never understood why people do drugs. What is the goal of it?
A drive for suicide. Unlike traditional suicide, ruining your life with drugs requires no courage and gives you an illusion that you're having 'fun' while you're doing it.

>>6379039
Alcohol and Adderal. The patrician combo.

>>6380630
>My body is a temple, I shall not profane it with drugs.
Your distinction between 'drugs' and 'non-drugs' is an entirely arbitrary generalisation of opinion. Everything in excess has an adverse effect, it is simply a case of being able to relatively gauge what the limits of each substance are. What is the harm in occasional substance abuse amongst a lifestyle of well-balanced practises?

>What is the goal of it?
Generally speaking, to satisfy a lack, if only momentarily. I have rheumatoid arthritis and smoke hashish occasionally to relieve the stiffness and swelling in my fingers, but others are perfectly at liberty to use substances for pleasure.

>>6380652
>whereas weed just seems to worsen them.
I don't get why people push weed as this magic cure all, only seems to make everything worse for me.

No, because they're illegal and I want to not have shit on my record.
I would give some a go otherwise.

Nicotine, acid, weed, it's all a nigga need

>>6380698
Unless you're an idiot about it the risk of getting caught is very small.

drugs are a luxury and egoist don't do them

>>6380630
>>6380665

Weed because without I feel like my time spent on earth is flying by at such a speed that I can't appreciably work towards any goals I set. Two months without it and I just sort of fall into a mental state comparable to the sorts of people who marathon survivor and throw back a six pack, only with just 4chan and internet porn.

I guess maybe I use it to cure a self diagnosed depression and really I'm just a fag, but I think it helps and its cheaper and more available than a trip to the doctor since an eighth ($40-$60) lasts me three months. I guess the simplest way to measure it would by my reading habits; without weed I'm lucky to finish one book a week, but with it I'm more likely to consistently read three a week.

But like >>6379392 pointed out it can effect people much differently and I know my experience is hardly universal.

>>6380689
Dunno, man. A lot of people seem to enjoy it a ton and such. It's just never been for me.

smoke a few bowls every day spread out, smoke cigarettes, drink when I run out of weed and sometimes I get vicodin or x or coke and soon lsd

drugs are just drugs. if everything was regulated instead of outlawed I'm sure everything would be safer. remove dealers and cartels and gangs from all drugs and a significant portion of their income

>>6380727
>drugs are just drugs
right

>>6380727
I'm inclined to agree, but on the other hand, they might just look for other business opportunities, ie abduction and extortion like the Zetas do.

>>6380733
I feel like when done correctly most any drug can be safely used when done in a certain moderation and having the willpower to fight cravings

>>6380736
criminals do new things to evade the police, the police do new things to catch criminals

>>6379085
Same here except minus the soda

Just alcohol. Used to smoke weed and love it but it slowly gave me anxiety/slight depersonalization so I stopped. Also I dip tobacco.

>smoke quite a bit of weed as a teenager
>started at smoking a couple times a month
>went through period of not smoking or smoking all day everyday
>quit at 18
>19 now, reading studies on the effects of THC on the adolescent brain
>most of it points towards damage
>feel extremely depressed because I permanently damaged your brain

I feel like I'm living an intellectually shallow existence because I smoked weed and ruined my intellectual potential. It stresses me out and really makes me want to smoke a bowl.

>>6380805
also I started at 12

Anybody here do adderal daily for long periods? I'm considering starting.

>>6380805
you permanantly damaged my brain, you're right to feel depressed

>>6379039
I did have a drug experiment phase.

Whatever you had - Disociatives, Opiates, MDMA, psychedelics, Amphetamines, benzos, weed, alcohol

I don't do anything anymore except occasional mild doses of weed, alcohol, or psychedelics.

They are, because they are one of the only direct manipulations of one's own convenience, it's our hand at the circuit board, definitely scary to think you could permanently fuck something up there.

I've smoked a lot of pot and it's been good and bad.

I think it's definitely fucked with my memory and it's assisted my anxiety/depression/slight depersonalization issues.

I take a hit or two every night though, I love the way it relaxes me. It's probably worse for me than it is beneficial, but I'm doing pretty well for my age and I graduated college with good grades as a pothead. People have common perceptions of what a "stoner" is and I'm positive that people who don't know me have no idea.

Probably around 50% of the time I smoke I get really anxious for the first 30min of the high, but after I work through that I'm good. Sometimes I wonder why I put myself through this, and I think on paper I'm addicted to weed. I've taken long breaks, though, and I can stop cold turkey without adverse affects. I think marijuana withdrawals are largely (but certainly not totally) just in peoples' heads.

I've had a lot of great times overall, but if I could go back in time and prevent myself from becoming a daily pothead I probably would.

I also personally believe that the root of my chronic anxiety problems is when I smoked K2 for the first time and had my first real panic attack where I was convinced I was going to die. I've read that the part of the brain that manages anxiety can become overloaded (from a singular moment) and thus raises the anxiety threshold.

Alcohol, though mostly just beer. I find it a lot more enjoyable to get drunk off beer and the hangover/nausea seems significantly reduced. Nicotine in the form of dipping tobacco (I'm planning on quitting soon though, tobacco is hell on your gums/teeth). That's it.

>>6379085
>inb4 Rustyn Cohle

>>6380843
*cries*

>>6380217
>Alcohol tastes disgusting
>>6380301
>You force yourself to drink it and eventually you find it tolerable.

They already make a huge range of alcoholic drinks for faggots like you.

>>6380793
>Used to smoke weed and love it but it slowly gave me anxiety/slight depersonalization so I stopped.

Exactly the same. It seems to be quite a common thing among long term marijuana smokers.

>>6380843
kek

>>6379039
>Hey /lit/ do you do drugs?
Yes

>If so what kind?
Alcohol. Used to smoke a lot of pot, but had to quit due to anxiety, paranoia, etc.

>If not tell us why?
N/A
>Are drugs a moral issue?
Nope

>Misc
I've found that I like having a clear head again. I think I'm going to wait until I turn 25 before smoking pot again, if at all; I don't want to impede the development of my brain any further. I'd also like to try psilocybin and LSD once I become more emotionally/mentally stable (and older).

We all die. IMO, it's a waste to miss out on the fruits of the Earth (psilocybin, weed) and mankind (LSD, alcohol, etc).

With all of that said, fuck alcohol. It's fucking poison.

>>6380805
You probably don't have anything to worry about. Those tests generally have small sample sizes, and one has to consider that the typical person who smokes pot was an idiot before they even started. That said, if >>6380812 is you 12 is quite young, I was 16 when I started and haven't felt any adverse effects since, some of the smartest people I met in college smoke pot.

>>6380998
That's not true though. Drug use is usually an indicator of high(er) intelligence because it's a novelty, requires social connections, and (somewhat) non-conformist.

>>6381012
none of those things indicate intelligence

>>6380915
I don't see how anyone can say alcohol tastes disgusting. I doubt many people are drinking pure lab grade ethanol, they're just bitching about all the other ingredients.

I came up with this when staggering around a friends kitchen tripping balls and deserve a Nobel fucking prize for it:

Take one ripe banana, a generous serving of a decent rum, a very generous serving of baileys, and a tiny bit of fresh espresso made in a percolator (not sure if this is essential, but it was there so it went in). Pour in some sweetened condensed milk, add the maltesers. Put it all in a blender with ice cubes and serve in a pint glass.

Then take your manly drink and down it in one: You have no choice, it's just that fucking delicious.

Then make some more because your friend, who watched you make this huge mess in his kitchen, will be really pissed off that he didn't drink it. Especially with you licking you lips and telling how incredible it was. They'll be a tiny bit left in the blender, but you may have to throw in half a snickers if you used all the maltesers.

>>6380983
>Used to smoke a lot of pot, but had to quit due to anxiety, paranoia
>I think I'm going to wait until I turn 25 before smoking pot again

Don't bother. That once beautiful plant is lost to you. It'll just get shittier and worse every time you smoke it now.

>>6381012
>Drug use is usually an indicator of high(er) intelligence

I think both ends of the intelligence spectrum indulge, with the middle less so.

have rates of anxiety in long term chronic marihuana users increased? Or has it always been this way?

Is it because strains are stronger?

>>6381019
What would you say indicates intelligence?

>>6381079
Academic interest and ability, critical thinking. Certainly not interest in drugs, social connections, and the desire to be a special snowflake.

>>6381019
Pursuit of evolutionarily novel things is a sign of intelligence. Look it up.

>social intelligence isn't intelligence
OK, bud.

And yes, not conforming to the mainstream is another indicator of intelligence.

Obviously these aren't the only indicators.

>>6381039
:(

>>6380301
>>6380543

Everyone knows alcohol tastes terrible, that's kind of the point. No one drinks Gin for the taste.

>>6381136
Yeah, look at these fine intellectuals.

>>6379039
I drink rarely, smoke rarely, and get high a few times a year (when I'm with friends who like that sort of thing).

I've done 2C-B, MDMA, Shrooms, Nitrous Oxide, and Ketamine. I liked MDMA a lot, I took it in the forest and worked through a lot of psychological issues. It really is insanely therapeutic.

Everything else was ok or fucking awful.

>>6381162
You do realize that people aren't born intellectuals, right? Being intelligent isn't just nature; it's nurture too.

They don't have fancy-pants bongs so it's a reasonable assumption that they're poor and didn't grow up in a nice suburban neighborhood like you did.

>>6381173
Okay, but how does that equate to "drugs are a pursuit of the intelligent"? When clearly your average drug user is evidently not intelligent.

>>6381164
My friend took 2cb a couple of times and he seems dumber now. Do you have any thoughts on that?

>>6381197
>When clearly your average drug user is evidently not intelligent.
Why are you holding them up as "your average drug user." In America, the average drug user is probably a uni student.

>>6381253
Alcohol excluded of course, I wager your average drug user is an idiot stoner. Though I doubt either of us have the means to prove or contest this.

Does anyone have any explanations for the increase in weed-related anxiety after regular use? It's really weird.

>>6381296
Not really, paranoia is a common side-effect of pot, and paranoia walks hand-in-hand with anxiety. It makes sense that after putting yourself in that altered state so many times some people will feel this anxiety sober.

>>6381197
I never said it was a pursuit of intelligence; I said that drug use is a pursuit of *novelty*. Doing drugs has no value as far as survival goes so it is a sign of intelligence.

>>6381322
>buying porcelain trinkets at the dollar store is a sign of intelligence because it has no value to survival
whatever dude. find me a person who only does things for survival.

>>6381330
So you're saying that the feeling of buying a porcelain trinket and doing LSD are the same?

What kind of trinkets are you buying?

Anyone who is struggling with anxiety:

Cut back on pot and other stimulants (including caffeine). Exercise, eat better, and practice mindfulness meditation. Face whatever gives you anxiety. Hiding from it and being agoraphobic will not help.

>>6381344
So someone is intelligent to you when they pursue only novel pleasures? And the more pleasure they seek is relevant to their intelligence?

>>6381357
When did I say that? I said that it's an indicator of intelligence, not a prerequisite or criterion for it.

>>6381162
I don't see anything in this picture that implies these people aren't intellectuals

>>6381368
>When did I say that?
Your argument was buying trinkets is not a sign of intelligence but LSD is because it's better.

>I said that it's an indicator of intelligence, not a prerequisite or criterion for it
To be honest I'm not even sure what your point is any more. Pursing novel interests is a sign of intelligence as you say, but everyone does this, so everyone is intelligent?

>>6381352
Yeah, but how do you face whatever gives you anxiety?

>>6379039
>>do drugs

>distinguishing between "doing drugs" and "not doing drugs"
spooksy

>>6379634
Ego loss is a positive experience for anyone with strength of mind, those experiences build your shield against harmful mental states in lief when you come out on top

>>6381241
Your friend was dumb in the first place? 2cb is actually quite mild. Is he someone who actively pursues learning? It is a research chemical so there's no hard evidence but it's essentially the same as lsd which does not cause any lasting damage to normal people without preexisting disorders, at all.
>>6380508
it does. personally though I'd go for xanax and take a tiny bit, that way the trip wouldn't end but the panic/fear whatever would stop

>>6381390
Let's say eating in a restaurant gives you anxiety. Facing it means fighting that urge to avoid it and instead go to a restaurant.

>>6380301

Acquired tastes are still tastes, homebrew.

>>6379039

Frequent drug user here.

Weed: a few times a week, though now mainly at night, alone, watching a movie. It impairs my ability to read well, and makes me mildly anxious, so I've really cut down since the glory daze of HS.

Cocaine: will do if offered to me at a party/event; i'll buy it once in a blue-moon, mainly for special events; fun, boosts confidence, makes you garrulous, but overpriced/rated.

Oxycodone: Opiates are a slippery slope, so be careful; but if you can restrain yourself, they can be fucking heaven. I enjoy few things more than snorting 60 mgs of oxy, curling up in a blanket, and reading (or listen to jazz or electronic).

LSD: simply god-tier; I've had the most beautiful experiences of my life with this marvelous chemical. At once powerful, transformative, transcendental, and simply fun. But just remember, as with all psychedelics: SET AND SETTING ARE KEY TO A GOOD TIME. Be with friends.

Mushrooms: not as clean or pleasant as L, a tad more wonky; still, you can have a life-changing experience. And same goes for set and setting.

Nitrous Oxide: they call it laughing gas for a reason, it's compressed euphoria. I've had the most otherworldly hallucinogenic experience of my life on NOS alone, visited 'inter-dimensional' beings on a separate plane of reality–cannot do it justice in words.

Alcohol: the social lubricant; I drink on the weekends and occasionally at dinner. Love beer, wine, and scotch.

Caffeine: drink coffee at least once a day; love the taste and energy.

Adderall: take it for productivity; no recreational use for me.

Cigarettes: never wanted to smoke, now I smoke a pack a week; combines well with alcohol, caffeine, and amphetamines.

MDMA: only taken it thrice; made me genuinely happy and content; the elixir of dance.

Ketamine: done once; felt like I was a ventriloquist controlling my body from above; creates a pure thought-scape of infinite possibilities and contentedness.

And then I've also tried a few entheogens and other miscellaneous RCs that aren't really worth mentioning: Hawaiian Baby Woodrose seeds, fly agarics, kratom, salvia, NBoMe, wormword, etc.

>>6381571

Oh, and Benzos: I only use for sleep; they make you stupid.

>>6380698

Sheltered nigga, you stupid.

>>6380575
Why sugar? Just buy superior swiss absinth, and you actually get a good drink and don't need to sweeten it to make it bearable.

weed:
highschool-tier. eventually made me too paranoid.
mdma:
fun-tier. had surprisingly great psychedelic experiences on it.
coke:
scary-tier. i enjoy it, but it fucks with my emotions too much. i get mean and selfish.
alcohol:
meh-tier. just got drunk for the first time this year, it was alright. wouldn't do it if not for social reasons.
cigarettes:
patrician-tier. doesn't fuck with my mood, incredibly relaxing. avoiding the fact that i'll eventually have to quit (this september.. maybe).
codeine:
why-tier. turns me into mush.
dexedrine:
fucking excellent-tier. basically adderall without the personality disassociation.

eventually i wanna try LSD, maybe DMT. hi /lit/, greets from vancouver

>Cannabis if I have free time
>LSD if I feel in the mood (usually 6-12months apart)
>Alcohol most days
>Cocaine when I have some good stuff (every two weeks or so)
>Benzos most days, even though I don't like them.
>Modafinil to get me up in the morning
>Caffeine and Nicotine when I have nothing else.

>Ethylphenidate and weed

I drink regularly and tried weed once. I thought I was dying (throat closing) and called my mom (a little bitch, I know). I always wanted to try hallucinogens but I don't know how to get them. Also, I don't have a lot of party friends, the only ones were the ones who shared the weed with me, and I don't think they will call me to anything anymore

>>6379119
Where to order bark and such?

>>6381381
No, I said that buying a trinket is much different from taking a psychedelic drug.

>Pursing novel interests is a sign of intelligence as you say, but everyone does this, so everyone is intelligent?

I guess the important distinction here is novel *experiences*, not interests. And no, not everyone is pursing either.

>>6379039
1. Yeah.
2. Weed, alcohol, AMT, MDMA. I want to try all of the psychedelics. I love how drugs can show you a whole different world and put your brain in an entirely different mode. Weed is nothing, I realise now. There is a huge gap between weed and ecstasy; by sticking to one drug you are blinkering yourself.
3. No, I think they are amoral; irrelevant in moral debates.

>>6379924
>>why.jpg
>heroin
Who needs reasons when you got heroin?

I only smoke Marijuana. I tried percocets but it only gave me a headache and made me want to sleep.

opiates and benzos daily
antidepressants daily
caffeine, nicotine, and arecoline daily
alcohol 2-5 times a week
weed 1-2 times a week

Tried quite a few drugs, this is what keeps suicide at bay. Actually I'll list the drugs I've tried
>tramadol, codeine, morphine, opium, pod tea, seed tea, promethesaine, gabapentin, amanita muscaria, nos, amyl nitrate, ether, propane, shrooms, acid, mescaline, alcohol, caffeine, nicotine, paan, weed (oil hash edibles), diazepam, temazepam, clonazepam, etizolam, lorazepam, salvia, kavakava, about 15 different synthetic cannabanoids, ritalin, speed, methamphetamine, cocaine, crack cocaine, duster, dxm, zopiclone, zolpidem, dph, dozile, fentanyl, bzp, 25-i, nutmeg, galangal, damiana, dagga, lotus, lions tail, ephedrine, psuedoephedrine, propylhexedrine

probably forgot a few
>nortriptyline, amytriptyline, fluoxetine, citalopram, venlafaxine, mirtazipine, tranylcyclopraine, lithium, lamotrigine, aripiprizole, clozapine, quitiepine, risperidone, propanalol, buspirone, disulfurum, bupropion, melatonin, st. johns wort,

>>6380217
gay

>>6380327
I half-agree with you. Cider to me is what would happen if beer tasted good.

>>6379039
>Hey /lit/ do you do drugs?
Only caffeine and theanine.
>If not tell us why?
I've tried some drugs, either the effects weren't worth the money spent on them, or the subsequent hungover wasn't worth it.
>Are drugs a moral issue?
No. It's an efficiency issue. Discouraging drug abuse limit the damages drugs induce, like accidents and health problems. Some kind of drug abuse like performance enhancers are worth it for society, but most others are not.

>>6379260
I tried salvia a few times. Nothing happened for the first few goes, but I remember one time I turned into a ship made out of characters from The Simpsons, which was fun.

The last time I did it I was a TV and started changing my channels, which was really cool at first until some Videodrome type shit started happening.

>mfw I will never touch it again

I smoke cannabis every now and then. Indica usually just puts me to sleep, but I feel great in the morning. It's like the opposite of a hangover. Sativa, I combine that with some Adderall and I'm just a writing machine.

I did mushrooms once, about an eighth. There were some parts I liked, some parts I didn't. It was a bit too sprawling and dirty for me. Maybe I just didn't have the right set and setting. I don't know. I'm going to try LSD this weekend. I've been told that it's a lot cleaner.

I've done cocaine once. I'm not proud of it. It turned me into an idiot. I just wanted to hear myself talk, yap yap yap.

I don't really like beer or hard liquor, but I love wine. Sideways was a decent film, but I still hate it because it started this "DAE Merlot is crap?" trend. I've had good Merlot and bad Merlot. I don't think it deserves that sort of hate. But then again what do I know, I like Beaujolais nouveau for crying out loud.

I smoked cigarettes for about a year, and I quit when my college banned them from campus. I still like a nice cigar every now and then. I'm quite partial to Romeo y Julieta, but I really don't care if it's Dominican or Cuban. I've had both, and it just seems the same to me.

Finally, I had a bit of Vicodin for a while. I was in the hospital because of a kidney stone. It was fun, but I think I'll only do that when I earn it. Gotta be careful with opiates.

>>6382248
How did you do opium, are they edibles?
Also, what would your top 5 drugs be?

Mescaline has always been my personal favorite substance. Be careful if you try buying any. Make sure it's from someone you know and trust. There were a few people in my area who sold LSD mixed with PCP and called it mescaline. Shit will mess you up.

>>6379039
>not being satisfied with the body and mind god gave you
stay degenerate

I'm waiting until I'm 25 before I even think of doing anything

>muh brain development

>>6382430
>if beer tasted good

Smoke weed everyday.

>>6379039
>drugs yes or no
no

>why
i don't leave the house

>moral issue
nothing is a moral issue to me

...

when i was in the military i smoked. i probably would still be smoking if i wasn't a neet

I used to smoke weed every day and enjoy being high, but the "hangover" the next day leaves me feeling really slow and not wanting to do anything.

All of you complain about how drugs will make you compromised and incompetent later in life.

Please, let's do a thought experiment. There are billions of people on this Earth. And not one of them, has the time for you. Life is shit. You are a resource and are of hypothetical value.

You have no chance in life, you gave it your best, but you just happen to be born in the precipice of absolute madness. Every human, your mother, your father, your friends, are of little to no value.

So, that means, if you can't ever accomplish what you want, or get recognition for anything for what you've done; what is the point of living? Furthermore, straight suicide won't cut it, you have to experience or at least go out slowly, happy.

In this way, drugs will kill you, but they are all you have left.

>>6382656
I thought weed wasn't meant to have a hangover

>>6382656
In my experience you stop getting it after a certain tolerance builds up.

>>6382676
It's not so much a hangover as it is a lingering foggyness

>>6382669
On a scale from Constantly to All Most All the Time how often would you say the word "jejune" has been used to describe your attitudes and expressions?

>>6382686

traumatized.

>>6382669
>There are billions of people on this Earth. And not one of them, has the time for you. Life is shit.
the thought experiment is making me alone? even so, such a life wouldn't be shitty to everyone.

>Every human, your mother, your father, your friends, are of little to no value.
family can be a valuable asset.

>if you can't ever accomplish what you want, or get recognition for anything for what you've done; what is the point of living?
if you don't live hoping to ever accomplish anything or achieve recgonition, the point of living is obviously yours to decide.

a thought experiment making someone adopt a new identity and ideology doesn't leave much for thinking.

>>6382696

We have different ideas of what living mean. Everything can be debated, everything can be argued is or is not or is shades of true, it all doesn't make sense and the world is a fucking nightmare.

>>6382686

>>6382706
Oh my God. Carve that on your thigh you faggot. You are absolutely the worst thing about /lit/. You make me yearn for the intelligent discourse found on /b/.

>>6382728

hey. nice.

Done everything outside of the obscure and varied synthetics. Battled an Adderall addiction and binge drinking, nowadays just some sweet herb, cigs, and the occasional whiskey.

They are a moral issue in that users are too often exposed to unsavory black market types and however far they let their addiction hurt other people. Politicizing and stigmatizing them encourages this, and it is a canard for them to be a scapegoat of a ruined generation. They have been a commodity since cavemen learn about the various plants around them, and thus deserve their due in being a constant presence in our existence.

>>6381381
Not the guy you were talking to.

Here's this, FWIW:
http://www.businessinsider.com/20-scientifically-proven-signs-youre-smarter-than-average-2010-12?op=1

>>6382706
>you can't know nuffin

>>6382739
Get that Malcolm Gladwell tier garbage the fuck out of here.

Yes

Alcohol and Tobacco, but only self-rollies, as they taste better and have a bigger effect even if you're used to them. Haven't tried weed yet, but maybe in the future i will.

The only moral issue i have if the drug consuption directly affects those around me. That's why i only drink heavily when i'm alone and ask before lighting a cigarrette. Otherwise i feel guilty.

>>6382797

You're a fucking nigger.

>>6382739
Jesus christ how cringeworthy

>>6382706
You're not as smart as the real Foucault

>>6382797
>>6382847
I was about to point to the sources at the end of the article but there aren't any. Nevermind the link.

>>6382739

Holy fucking christ. Literally most of the reasons of why those are more intelligent it's because they were excluded by social conditions. Being skinny, virgin, tall lanklet, internet savvy doesn't make you intelligent, being excluded from society in all your teenage years and wasting your time focusing on average-high-brow things because you had to do something does.

>>6380665
Had a dive for suicide with out drugs. It sucked, can't see people actually wanting that hell. As for fun there are lots of alternatives (like reading and writing).

>>6380687
I am well aware of the problems with how vague the word drug is. And have even had read in detail of how water can be labeled a drug. I typically don't consider sugar a drug. But about twice a year when I am really depressed I down a whole bag of Reese's pieces and a 12 oz Dr.Pepper and get buzzed for half an hour then crash for the next 4 hours. I feel bad because when I do that I consider I have used sugar as a drug, but nobody seems the least concerned when I complain about my reckless behavior. In fact some people I know eat that kind of stuff daily with no visible effect, till they try to cut sugar down and hit bad withdrawal.

As for the harm in occasional abuse we need to agree on some metrics. I say if it alters your state of mind even for short durations or can cause permanent changes to your body over use then it is a drug and should be avoided. However sugar and water clearly do that, so we need to better define what changes are "normal" and what state of mind is "acceptable". For that I look at changes in life expectancy to better define "normal" as I see a longer healthier life within reason as desirable, and performing complex tasks like operating a motor vehicle or passing tests for gauging an "acceptable" state of mind. This is why while I don't like alcohol or tetrahydrocannabinol or others I do accept them in limited use for people over 25 and in proper medical and industrial application. That being said there are significant dosage issues, many people use dosages much higher my expanded limits. I have seem even the "safe" drugs (including weed) destroy lives slowly over time, so I have a firm stance on dosage limits.

One can satisfy a lack in countless ways, trust me I have had serious lacking in my life. With me it is engineering things, hanging out with friends and occasionally writing. Everyone is different, but there are some things that just don't work drugs and street fight are two that come to mind.

>>6380724
The seems to be medicinal for you. I would document it all carefully and see if you can find a doctor to help you without freaking out that you take weed.
I know I talked with my doctor and now take a dosage of B3 for my depression rather then the typical prescription anti-depressants (I buy the nicer time release ones to prevent Niacin flashing). There is a concern that it will hurt my liver over time, but so far tests have shown my liver and over all health has improved. Which suggests it was mostly just a chemical imbalance in my brain and more B3 fixed it, likely have a poor absorption rate from my genetics. Another part was a strong irrational urge to win my fathers approval, accepting that and moving on was very big for me, but also very hard.

>>6380095
I felt like this a few times after lack of sleep (I'm talking 3 day benders without social interaction), did the drug you took induce the chemical reaction that occurred in my brain?
What do you know of the study?

DMZ

>>6379039
No

Every drug imaginable but I stopped doing every drug for years until I got horribly hooked on morphine.

Morphine addiction turns you into a braindead slave. I will not touch that shit again (despite the fact that there is an 85% relapse rate for opiate addicts in the first year). I quit on my own and went through the withdrawals with no medication at all. It was pure hell.

Hard drugs and drug addiction is definitely a moral issue. I did some terrible things while I was a junkie despite holding a job. I cheated on the woman I loved and got a married woman pregnant. Things I would not consider doing now. Drugs make you hollow after they stop being enough to fill you up.

>>6383110
morphine? you never ended up with heroin? (i know they're technically the same thing, but only to chemists and such)

>>6382248
what's the difference between speed and meth?

>>6379419
4-AcO-DMT?

You probably took way too much (I'd guess more than 50mg), try around 20 and you'll just have pure euphoria and a small amount of visuals.

>>6383165
not him, but some people call methamphetamine speed, some people call amphetamine (adderall) speed. if you don't know the difference between those two, well, one's quite a bit stronger

>>6379099
>he's never done krokodil

>>6383165
speed generally refers to amphetamines like adderall, vyvance, dexamphetamine, formerly benzadrine.

>>6379039
Smoked weed, might attempt lean but I'm not sure if I should do the sprite part, gonna try shrooms maybe

>>6383185
Lean's a waste, LSD's a better "first psychedelic" (more tolerable/easily handled/in control)

>>6383156
Nope. Tried it of course but didn't like it nearly as much.

>>6379039
1+2. Alcohol, caffeine, and pseudoephedrine
3. I've considered taking psychedelics. I'm wary of stronger stimulants, because it's tempting to abuse something as mild as pseudoephedrine. Weed sounds like too much of a paralytic.
4. Ayy lmao.

>>6383199
you... must not have gotten good/real dope

or something went wrong somewhere. what was your ROA for the morphine, and what was it for heroin?

All drugs really end up doing is complicating your already shitty life.
All of that Joe Rogan, Doors of Perception bullshit is really just a facade blurring substance and experience.

>>6383192
Lean sounds great since its just leftovers from a cold. LSD connects are hard to find, meanwhile shrooms are easy, and so is DMT.

>>6383037

That sounds pretty spot on for me, the last bit about the whole depression along with emotional baggage. I'd just prefer to avoid doctors, though I'll probably have to go to one sooner or later I really enjoy the sensations marijuana can bring about in addition to how much nicer life seems the weeks after vaping it.

Hey guys OP here. I really enjoyed reading this thread. Personally I smoke pot occasionally and drink some sort of caffeine drink everyday. The reason why I haven't done anything else is I just have yet to find a group of people in trust enough to do drugs with. Society and the negative connotation towards drugs also keeps me away from them. I I am also fairly young and the thought of some career opportunities closing because of past drug use scares me away little.

Don't bother with coke.
>mfw did coke every day on the month of my birthday.
Never again.

>>6379129
Salvia probably didn't work because you gotta get it hot as hell. Regular lighters won't do the trick. When it worked for me, I was using a torch for cooking I borrowed from a friend

>>6383297
Every time people talk about LSD they say the most boring, recycled shit.

"LSD hookups are rare," I've heard twenty-nine times before.

In fact most drug users hardly have an original thought. Hm.

>>6383632
I kind of agree with this. I don't know what kind of third rate dealers everyone in this thread gets their shit from, but if my guy doesn't have it, he knows where to get it.

Quit buying drugs from friends and coworkers /lit/.

2mg clonazepam every day (great drug)

usually about a pint of whiskey a day (every day so far this year, except the last two days)

half the time I think I'm doing great, other half feel like I need serious CBT and therapy :/


tfw tho (pic related)

>>6383632
This got me thinking.
People say how original authors do drugs. But there is a lot of cases of drug users being very unoriginal. So what if the story of original authors doing drugs was fabricated by the powers that be to get people to do drugs so they wouldn't have original thoughts. It all just like a big lie to keep good books from being written. Which explains why I can't read any good books. That and the letter fall off the page or the book bites me, but the bite mark looks like mine ...

Obligatory poem about meth:

http://www.meth-kills.org/poems/crystal-meth-poem.html?

>>6382248
Isn't dagga just cannabis?

>>6383694
Rather, isn't dagga just what they call weed in south africa? Are you saying you smoked weed in/from south africa?

Don't use any because I don't know where to get any.

Somebody please help me. I wanna know what it feels like.

I fucking love psychedelics. I probably take them too much. Lately, I've been tripping at least once a month, and I can feel myself changing. My thinking is becoming different, but I think it's a good different. I feel sharper, like I recognize patterns and connections better.

I mean, I've smoked weed and drank, but I don't like it. MDMA, did H twice and some nasty ass research chemicals like nBome.

But my favorite drugs are ayahausca, LSD, and mushrooms. Lately I've only been doing mushrooms because if LSD is hard to come by and often fake, ayahausca's a wholeeeeeeee nother story. Still waiting for my chance to just smoke DMT. One day.

Psychedelics really changed my life. They helped me step into a deeper knowing of myself and others. I like to do them when I've become boggled down with an idea. If something negative has been on your mind and you take psychedelics, you can't run from it. You just have to face it, analyze it and yourself painfully. I am learning to become comfortable with being uncomfortable.

Why would anyone do that? Do I have bad trips? No, I have parts of trips that are dark, anxious, emotionally and spiritually exhausting. But having it thrown in my face allows me to see things differently by making me address my pain. I shed my delusions and negativity like dirty clothing. And then I step into a place of peace, love, and self-awareness. I am euphoric, having worked past my pettiness. It's as if I were on MDMA, I feel so good. And in the weeks that past, I am humbled and hopeful of my place in the world. Everyone should do psychedelics...

>>6383183
vyvance is so based

>>6382490
It cracks me up that salvia is such a powerful dissasiociative and hallucinegen that governments generally don't even bother regulating it. A drug that literally makes you experience insanity is perfectly legal.

>>6383706

If you're in the states all you need to do now is take a road trip if you're desperate enough.

>>6383708
Just be careful man I never had a bad trip either until it happened. Dissosciatives are more fun once you've seen everything psychedelics have to offer.
>Too much lately
>Once a month

Lol you're doing fine

>>6384975

>do you like drugs?

ye

>if so what kind

Fucked with literally every class, opiates current favorite, although that shit is dangerous. I used to be very into /psy/ and still won't turn it down, I simply don't seek it out that often. I always hoped to gain some sort of esoteric knowledge/truth from psy usage but instead only ever got the generic everything is connected universal one-ness stuff. That or just utterly nihilistic trips, those were actually less annoying. I don't like to do personal reflection on psychedelics anyway so I probably miss half the benefit.

but goddamn if it isn't great womanizing on a bag of h

mfw

>>>/sci/7177298/

>>6385288
boards.4chan.org/sci/thread/7177298/do-recreational-drug-use-destroy-the-mind

>>6385294
I don't think they do. I feel like pot taught me to place more value on experiences, not just possessions and money.

Somewhat related:

I think that life is about choosing the things you want to collect. Money, relationships, friends, colleagues, possessions, experiences, knowledge, etc. In a way, we're all hoarding something.

>>6385333
lol the funny part is that this is how pot smokers actually think

>>6385376
If I hadn't mentioned pot you probably would have agreed.

It's OK to be bitter about not having the social connections needed to get drugs.

>>6379039
No

I don't know where to get them, altered states of mind make me uncomfortable, and I don't want to go to prison and not be able to get a job for the rest of my life.

>>6385469
pussy

>>6385397
lol even better, this is amazing

>>6385529
Not him.

Why don't you explain why his posts are so hilarious to you? They seem fine to me. Yours on the other hand... At least back up your criticism with an explanation instead of "le drug users are degenerates and I'm better than them xDD."

>>6379039
LSD but probably not anymore. Huge moral issue. Disrupting consciousness? Potentially morally wrong.

>>6379039
Mostly drink and smoke weed now, with tobacco consumed occasionally. Used to be heavy into cocaine, amphetamines, acid, research chems, psilocybin, ketamine, MXE, heroin, and MDMA, but Those don't really interest me anymore.

I've smoked weed just about every week since I was 16, stopped for the odd month, but rarely. Sometimes I wonder if it fucked up my cognition, but then I see some of the fags on /lit/ and the worry melts away.

>>6381096
average IQ detected

>>6381151
Actually, I quite like gin...
>>6381162
They're stupid because they're brown? You fucking tool.

>>6381381
http://www.thefix.com/content/iq-and-drug-use

>>6385794
>They're stupid because they're brown? You fucking tool.
No, they're stupid because they literally live in a garbage dump and scrounge for scraps like literal rats.

>>6385610
Kill yourself.

>>6385803
> I'm smart because I abuse toxic substances
Sure, whatever you say.

>>6385803
correlation is not causation

>>6383182
You realize they call it that because it is synthesized from crocodile sperm and injected directly into the bloodstream, right?
That's why so many russians who do it have big gaping wounds.
They try to get it straight from the source. Crocodile blowjob, whoowhoo!

>>6383623
How are you not an addict?
Tell me your secrets.

>>6385828
Who are you quoting?
>>6385833
That is correct, well done on noticing

>>6385821
How do you know that from a picture?

>>6385828

False, smart people are likely drawn to substances because they seek novel experiences to stave off boredom. It is not a prerequisite or a cause of intelligence and neither the article or anyone here is arguing that, there is merely a clear appeal to drugs for people with high IQ's.

>>6386435
>he doesn't experiment with natural stimulus and self control based in self insight and practice before immediately reaching for a crutch that could potentially destroy your mind or make you sick

>>6382676
there isn't one. that anon attempted to pull a fast one on you.

Who fuckin cares what drugs other people do?

>>6387135
The DEA.

>>6379039
>Hey /lit/ do you do drugs?
My social circle has evaporated in the last year or so, so the opportunity to do them has diminished exponentially, but given the opportunity and desire, yes.

>If so what kind?
Weed is the most common one. Cocaine on party nights or just general celebration nights, but it's been a long while since and I'm no longer inclined to mess with the booger sugar. Early twenties I did a lot of "acid" or chemical derivatives that was chemically close to it. Shrooms when they're in season.

Done of bunch of other but only rarely.

>If not tell us why?
Not relevant.

>Are drugs a moral issue?
Weed is the least harmful of any drug, hands down. In moderation and done responsibly acid, shrooms are safe and potentially healthy for the psyche. Coke, heroine at best are able to be used recreationally. Meth is the cancer of cancer. In short, depending on the drug, drugs are not a moral issue but an issue of context and control.

>>6379039

yes, I smoke cannabis daily, drink alcohol occasionally, almost always smoke cigarettes when I drink because they feel good together but otherwise I don't care for tobacco. I do LSD when I can find it (seems to average about once a year or less the last decade) I used to do psilocybin on an almost monthly basis but shit started to fuck with me and I eventually had the bad trip to end all bad trips and I couldn't sleep properly for 2 years and was starting to show signs of PTSD and schizophrenia (irrational paranoia about being followed, feeling like my body would merge with objects around me, depersonalization, hearing voices when it was quiet, etc), but they went away after a year or so. I have also tried (but don't do any regularly) MDMA, DMT, Salvia, codeine, tramadol, cocaine, crack cocaine, oxycodone, adderall, and extremely high doses of melatonin to induce weird dreams.

I like drugs but I would warn anyone who is interested in going down the rabbit hole to tread with extreme caution, do their research, and follow the basic rules of tripping (set and setting). There is no moral issue for me, I just flatly disagree that we need laws to protect people from themselves, there is a moral issue for me when it comes to encouraging reckless drug use.

I don't find that drugs help me write for the most part, but they do help me think of ideas that I can write about while sober. Alcohol helps a bit but only if I only have a couple drinks, any more than that and I can't focus.

>>6379039
everything that brings you joy has spiritual value

purple K, 90% cacao, tea or coffee

then i go read

>>6379039
>Are drugs a moral issue?

Spokey the bear says only you can prevent spoke

>>6387306
how high is extremely high of a dose of melatonin? I break a 5 microgram lozenge in to quarters and never take more than one quarter a night, and it still gives me pretty vivid dreams. I actually kind of like them though, and for someone who's had sleep issues for as long as I can remember its a miracle drug for being able to fall asleep.

what are your experiences? man you must've felt like shit afterwards.

>>6380630

>>6388230
I took 150mg once and I was taking 50mg nightly for a week another time. I've taken the normal dose and I find it does get me to sleep slightly quicker but has no other benefits

on 50mg my dreams were very distressing and intense, they didn't have the floaty quality that my dreams normally have, and despite sleeping quickly after taking the pills I would only sleep 4-5 hours and wake up feeling very awake but with a feeling that reminded me of when I drink too much coffee.

150mg reminded me of a psychedelic fever dream, I was enveloped in a giant mechanical 3D mandala made out of particle board, wood veneer and dirty orange shag carpet (I work at a thrift store and see this kind of shit all day) and when I reached the center I saw a giant goat-headed fleshbeast that spoke in tongues and sent me down a water slide made of meat into a bin full of sharp tonka toys. When I woke up the next morning I felt mentally drained like I had been studying all day but physically I felt well rested. I had trouble sleeping for like a month afterward, so would not recommend.

>>6388307
That's terrifying, but for ten times a normal does that's not necessarily ten times as freaky as a normal nightmare (i.e, it doesnt sound insanely trippy or anything). Yeah I dunno about you but for me, melatonin makes me it really hard to actually wake up in the moring, I always hit the snooze, but then once I'm up for a half hour or so I'm good to go. But I've also had times where I wake up way too early with way too much energy, like you described.

Cool picture by the way, where's it from?

>>6388317
Yeah it really wasn't that different from a normal dream in either case, 150mg was pretty trippy but no more so than the dreams I get if I take an afternoon nap or have a bad fever.

The picture is a painting by Zdislaw Beksinski

>>6379039
>Hey /lit/ do you do drugs?
Yeah, weed. Did shrooms once. Would do it again. I also drink.

>Are drugs a moral issue?
For me, yeah. But not in the direction you'd presume. See I think everyone should have the right to experiment with their state of mind and that there can be little freedom if you are condemned to one state of mind and forbidden to change it.
Not that straight edge people aren't free. Addiction is far from liberating, so I guess it all evens out in the end. But we should all, at least, have the right to do harmless drugs if we want to. Anything else is, for me, enslaving the human mind to discourage out-of-the-box thinking.

>>6388906
>i can only change my state of mind with a crutch

>>6388935
"Reality is a crutch for people who can't handle drugs"

--Hemingway.

>>6388935
>"Reality is a crutch for people who can't handle drugs"
>>6388957


REKT

>>6388935

I didn't say drugs are the only way to change my state of mind. I can do it in a dozen other ways which don't involve drugs. Writing is a good example. Day dreaming. Hell, even a roller coaster will do the trick.

But the thing is most of these "methods" are not available to most people today. Most people no longer have the time to meditate, cogitate and reach higher states of mind through these "old-fashioned" ways. Drugs are available to everyone and don't require much time or preparation- but can get you there, change your state of being (and for much longer than a roller-coaster).

Not acknowledging drugs is not acknowledging the cerebro-spinal fluid that the brain of our time's spirit is drenched in.

>>6388957
Yeah, that is totally applicable here.
Learn to observe context pls.

at this point i'm not sure if the anhedonia i'm feeling is induced by my long-term codeine habit.

if you recall the chapter in ij where hal is lying on the floor of the tp viewing room - that's how i feel most days now.

I use psychedelics 'cause I need a philosophy grade.
On the moral only if its imposed by the state