/lit/ - Literature

>>6383941
theif

He's a douchebag, anon. I was ironically reading my Die Phänomenologie des Geistes when suddenly Max Stirner ran me over on his velocipede shouting SPOOKS SPOOKS SPOOKS. While I was trying to get up, with a possible spinal injury, he whispered in my ear "You're my property now, ever and forever", then propped an open copy of Der Einzige und sein Eigentum right before my face, then started stomping on my back till I could no longer fel my legs. So I laid on the ground, reading Stirner, unable to get up.

I saw Stirner at a grocery store in Berlin yesterday. I told him how cool it was to meet him in person, but I didn’t want to be a douche and bother him and ask him for a real photo or anything.

He said, “Oh, like you’re spooking now?”

I was taken aback, and all I could say was “Spook?” but he kept cutting me off and going “spook? spook? spook?” and closing his hand shut in front of my face. I walked away and continued with my shopping, and I heard him chuckle "property" as I walked off. When I came to pay for my stuff up front I saw him trying to walk out the doors with like fifteen copies of "Ghostbusters" in his hands without paying.

The girl at the counter was very nice about it and professional, and was like “Sir, you need to pay for those first.” At first he kept pretending to be tired and not hear her, but eventually turned back around and brought them to the counter.

When she took one of the copies and started scanning it multiple times, he stopped her and told her to scan them each individually “to prevent any electrical spooks” and then turned around and winked at me. I don’t even think that’s a word. After she scanned each copy and put them in a bag and started to say the price, he kept interrupting her by yawning really loudly.

I will end up reading this asshoel only because you guys keep doing memes about him.

Where should I start?

I was raped, /lit/. I was raped by Max Stirner. It was a few months ago, I was visiting Berlin on an intellectuals retreat. On the way back from a night enjoying the beer halls, he jumped out from an alleyway. I was startled, I must admit and I jumped, losing my footing. He placed a hand out to help me up, and like a fool I accepted, thinking Stirner was playing one of his famous practical jokes. With a smile that seemed to say I was an idiot for believing that he being an individual had any inherent obligation to help me up, he bitchslapped me. Then he shouted "Divest yourself of your spooks!" and started taking off my pants. His already erect creative nothing penetrated my virgin butthole. I asked him how as a believed conciousness, even without social morality, he could ignore his own personal ideas of good conduct and fuck me like a little marxist whore. "I violate you because butt rape makes me happy, I rape because rape is natural to me, it pleases me." he replied, grunting between each word.

When he was done, he wiped himself off and began to walk away. I took out my phone to call the police. He turned and gave me that malicious smile you all know. "Go ahead, call the spook patrol, all things are nothing to me".

Are they a good example of a "union of egoists"?

The One True God

>>6383941
Cool story except you would never mistake Stirner for a pleb because he was known for being impeccably dressed and groomed with matching manners and education.

Stirner was so patrician his milk shop went out of business because plebs were too intimidated to buy their milk there.

>>6384094
Don't know, but pirates are.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Piracy#Pirate_democracy

A voluntary association set out to cooperate in order to achieve shared goals maintained for as long as the members want to.

>>6384070
He only has one book.

this could've been a good thread if you guys greentexted those stories, yknow
>not converting to the artistically appropriate medium w/r/t/ smugness

>>6384055

>Take multiculturalism & relief for 3rd world countries seminar
>Class of ten with woman lecturer who starts talking about how we should care for our fellow man and do everything in our power to help them
>"Implying it's not irrational to not act in one's self interest," I shout through cupped hands.
>Class glares at me.
>"zwei tausand zwölf,"I tell everyone.
>Teacher tuts and starts discussing how each and every life on earth is intrinsically valuable
>"Do you even realize we're each a creative nothing, m'property?" I shout. "Go back to ad-veh"
>Ginger man to my left tells me to shut up.
>"I bet you don't even realize you're an involuntary egoist," I tell him
>Class starts shouting at me, asking me to leave. It was all that ginger man's fault.
>I turn back to him
>"Your filthy SPOOK," I say, "I bet you'll never even be immortalized as a sparse black and white drawing."
>He stands up and tells me to get out.
>"No," I said. "I'm the only egoist here. I'm the eigenheit, I'm the würdeträger , you're just a filthy casual"
>He hit me right on the nose, the cartilage cracks, blood sprays over my desk.
>I get up and walk out, grinning to myself at how superior I am.
>Filthy SPOOKS. I bet they're talking about building shelters for those malnourished involuntaries now

>>6384055
>>6384371

samefag, pls die already and erase that paste

>>6384084
>beer halls
>Berlin
What

>>6384492
>samefag
I didn't post the first one with the flylo pasta actually.
>erase that paste
eh? why does this board get so autistic when it comes to matters of humor

>>6384414
>m'property

>Be in uni
>Start talking about spooks
>Black guy thinks I'm being racist
>Try to explain to him that I mean the philosophical ones that Stirner uses to mock hegal.
>He doesn't understand.

>He probably thinks I'm racist. He's probably going to tell his friends I'm racist.

>>6384492

>>6384519
>expecting a monkey to understand philosophy or be reasonable

>>6384519
> To mock Hegel
Nigga Stirner was Hegelian to his core with his dialectical aproach to human history.

Read Ego.

>>6384055
I saw Stirner at a gamestop store in Ohio yesterday. I told him how cool it was to meet him in person, but I didn’t want to be a swagfag and bother him and ask him for a selfie or anything.

He said, “O-Oh, like your s-spooking nn-ow?”

I was taken aback, and all I could say was “Spook?” but he kept cutting me off and going “s-spook? sp-spook? spoo-spook?” and closing his hand shut in front of my face while sweating profusely. I walked away and continued with my shopping, and I heard him chuckle "p-property" as I walked off. When I came to pay for my stuff up front I saw him trying to walk out the doors with like fifteen copies of "Luigi's Mansion" in his hands without paying.

The neckbeard at the counter was very autistic about it and professional, and was like “Sir, you like need to pay for those first?” At first he kept pretending to be hungry and on meth and not hear him, but eventually turned back around and brought them to the counter.

When he took one of the copies and started scanning it multiple times, he stopped him and told her, on the verge of tears, to scan them each individually “to p-prevent any ele-electrical s-spooks” and then turned around and sneezed at me. I think most of the snot was mixed with marinara . After he scanned each copy and put them in a bag and started to say the price, he kept interrupting her by sperging really loudly and shouting about his internet friends.

He is no better than everyone he denounces before him, considering that his intellectual endeavour amounts to nothing more than a seduction. In its own little way it is a sort of immature, petulant and infantile seduction as well, one that does not have the sincere conviction behind it of past ideologies but on the other hand it has the gall to disrupt the game of rhetoric (and I mean rhetoric in the general, system-level sense that I think De Man uses) that ideologues gleefully take part in, sort of like a child who disregards the rules of a game because he is tired of losing at it or some such poor behaviour.

Stirner knows his own doctrine does not have a leg to stand on, that the whole exercise he engages in is contradictory. His whole project is a failure simply because it's a contradiction. The only way you could consider it a success is if you think the overall outcome is that you have the ability to question or attack ideology. But that is hardly a quality specific to Stirner's writings, it's simply the ability to think critically, and it's what most philosophers with a system of thought have done throughout history. Except Stirner appears to be inferior to most of them because where every other philosopher attacks the previous prevailing ideology and replaces its center in its own coherent if not infallible manner, Stirner simply attacks these ideologies with no center to prevail in replacement, the attack itself is contradictory, and there is no real insight gained into the lack of the center because Stirner himself has no answer or interest in attempting to solve this contradiction of negation. So where every other philosopher has been out with the old and in with the new, Stirner is simply out with the old, and not even in a logical manner, with no new. You're getting short-changed and fucked in the ass. And on the other hand there are numerous more in-depth attempts to address the contradictory logic of negation Stirner is using, from Zen to Deconstruction.

Assuming that he has ghostbusted the spooks is to assume a very ideologically-charged perspective about the progress of conceptual thought in the west. And it's not only that, we must also consider that language is dialogic, which means that the language, the concepts Stirner uses to poke around with in first place are all shaped and ideologically charged before he even gets to employ them, he inherits his words and thereby whatever ideology is embedded in them, so it is not even clear whether there is really a distinct Stirner-type ideology critique and not just some permutation of a prevailing ideology. His whole endeavour is shot to shit and full of presuppositions, which is why people are debating over ideology, why Stirner did not solve the problem of ideology, and why its usefulness even as a concept today is in question.

>>6384330
>you would never mistake Stirner for a pleb because he was impeccably dressed and groomed with matching manners and education.
False.

Sketches looks like shit compared to Nietzsche's Basel years. Stirner was a shitty girls-school teacher who lived in sin with a maid then suffragette rather than being a legendary academic, philosopher and hiker.

All this 19th century one-hit wonder.

>>6384519
don't blame him, he's just at the negroid/heathen/child stage of development. like the greeks.

>>6385152
>sketches
>hasn't read stirner's biography

okay lad

also, nietzsche was a stirner fanboy secretly, he once let it slip among friends

>>6385625
nietzsche was also a fiction writer and didn't follow his own ideas at all

>>6385145
>He is no better than everyone he denounces before him, considering that his intellectual endeavour amounts to nothing more than a seduction.
Nice pasta, but this is true for literally every philosopher. That's how the game works.

>>6384414
>not irrational to not act
triggered muh autism

>>6384519
Reading Phlips Roth's The Human Stain was really difficult after spending so much time on /lit/

>>6384519

> In the negroid age fall the campaigns of Sesostris and the importance of Egypt and of northern Africa in general. To the Mongoloid age belong the invasions of the Huns and Mongols, up to the Russians.

The value of me cannot possibly be rated high so long as the hard diamond of the not-me bears so enormous a price as was the case both with God and with the world. The not-me is still too stony and indomitable to be consumed and absorbed by me; rather, men only creep about with extraordinary bustle on this immovable entity, on this substance, like parasitic animals on a body from whose juices they draw nourishment, yet without consuming it. It is the bustle of vermin, the assiduity of Mongolians. Among the Chinese, we know, everything remains as it used to be, and nothing “essential” or “substantial” suffers a change; all the more actively do they work away at that which remains, which bears the name of the “old,” “ancestors,” etc.

>philosophizing with negroids

What's your favorite Max Stirner essay? Before you answer, you should know: when I was seven years old, Max Stirner took me by the hand and led me into a dank, spooky room on the thirteenth floor of our house. He told me to lay on my stomach and play with my propety (I told him it was my brother's but he told me to stop spooking). Then he sexually assaulted me. He talked to me while he did it, whispering that we were collaborators, a union of egoists, that this was our triumph over the authoritarian state and the spook of an aget of consent, promising that we'd go to Berlin and he'd make me Hegel's pupil. I remember staring at that childish scribble that passed for his portrait, focusing on it and trying to figure out whether Engels meant to depict him with spiked hair like some nineteenth century punk rocker. To this day, I find it difficult to watch Casper the Friendly Ghost.

>>6384714
this meme is shit, stop forcing it

Has anyone got the one where Stirner demonstrates the value of a bag of Thaler?

>>6385622
>don't blame him, he's just at the negroid/heathen/child stage of development. like the greeks.
>>6385622
fuck u

>>6385853
>dylan farrow jpeg
>play with my propety (I told him it was my brother's but he told me to stop spooking
>trying to figure out whether Engels meant to depict him with spiked hair like some nineteenth century punk rocker.
I mfao

dank memes in here

>>6385942
why don't you like the insider elite joke? didn't you read stirner?

>>6385145
>Stirner simply attacks these ideologies with no center to prevail in replacement, the attack itself is contradictory, and there is no real insight gained into the lack of the center because Stirner himself has no answer or interest in attempting to solve this contradiction of negation. So where every other philosopher has been out with the old and in with the new, Stirner is simply out with the old, and not even in a logical manner, with no new.
copypasta but I hope people don't really assume this, spooks are there for our use if and when we consider them appropriate as means to an end of ourselves.

>>6386263
Spooky af tbh

Daily 'minder that this is true.

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>>6388100
Sorry, what book is that? I'd like to read the footnote, too, because without it, the list doesn't make a lot of sense. Most of these concepts are not relevant to Stirner at all.

Apologies for poor English.

When were you when spook dies?

I was sat at home drinking ego fluid when max ring

"spook is die"

"no"

And you?????????????

>>6388602
I was halfway through the Ego and His Own. It was a cold evening in my lonely city apartment. The last few months had felt like a continual weight building up on my shoulders. Work had got busier for no reward. Friends had grown colder and I could no longer help my relentless pessimism. I kept thinking that I was not what I ought to be, that I was not reaching my potential. Max's book I had picked up at a small bookstore out of curiosity, remembering /lit/'s strange obsession with the author that I hadn't really understood. But as I was reading could not escape the feeling that there was no going back. What had previously seemed self-evident was under assault and I could not stem the tide of egoism rising in me. That I should sacrifice my life. MY life. for these ideas? A few vague words? How DARE they demand ANYTHING of me. If I can create ideas I can destroy them. As I have just finished the book, I can't stop smiling. Stirner was not the end I was looking for. Stirner was the BEGINNING that I needed.

I have turned all the spooks into my property without even having to read Stirner.
The shit/meme posting on /lit/ alone helped me open my eyes and understand that which I have to had always known deep inside.
I would ask if that's wrong but I don't give a fuck anymore.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m9We2XsVZfc

>>6388425
Stirner's Critics, that's from Jason McQuinn's introduction. And you seem to not be understanding what it's saying

>>6388645
welcome, friend

>Then he goes, "I'm not your mate, I am who I am, but you can call Mr by my name Max Stirner.
The remainder of your story I drowned out with
www.youtube.com/watch?v=NhjSzjoU7OQ

>>6388775
I don't really like the way they've translated that. "We do not even miss" implies only talking about liberties we USED to have. A better wording would be "We do not even realise we don't have"

>>6388630

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https://archive.org/download/McQuinn/McQuinn.mp3

Nice discussion of Stirner

>>6384330
>milk shop

>>6384330
I guess his milk shop didn't bring all the boys to the yard.

He could teach you, but as an egoist he rejects the idea of the student/master relationship.

>>6388773
Thanks. I don't think you need to know what phenomenology is, seeing as it didn't exist when Stirner wrote, and he is explicitly trying to avoid the 'Begriffsentwicklung' of technical philosophical language. One of the biggest problems with most secondary literature on Stirner is that the scholars know TOO MUCH about philosophy and try to translate Stirner's ideas into philosophical terms which don't capture what he is saying.

>>6388630

>"Uhhuhuhuh...dude, Stirnis, like, capitalism sucks uhhuhuhuh."
>"Yeah, heheh. I need TP for my spookhole! Heheh, heh."

>>6388630
you found stirner at a small bookstore?

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>>6389121
stirner is a phenomenologist, and phenomonology literally is in the title of hegel, so you're wrong

>>6385895
actually the original /mu/ story with flying lotus and "electrical infetterance" was fucking hilarious, before it became appropriated by faggots on reddit and turned into some shit about ryan gosling by normalfags

>>6390589
I'm referring to the guy who goes around and posts pictures of stirner looking moderately melancholic and editing a stutter onto everything he said

>>6384519

Brb writing a novel about this.

Was Stirner the first 2D being to make it to the 3D world?

>>6390873


He's the first real philosopher of the 2nd millennium.

>>6390402
>stirner is a phenomenologist, and phenomonology literally is in the title of hegel, so you're wrong
Phenomenology as it is understood in philosophy (without further qualification) starts approximately with Husserl.

mmm... kaffee

Why doesn't Stirner have a modern following? His ideas seem very clear, easy to explain, and hard to deny

>>6394514
he does. this board is the evidence

>>6394563
I mean an actual intellectual lineage, with a string of recurring egoists parroting and elaborating on his ideas, and shitting on all the other schools of modern philosophy.

>>6394514
>>6394773
He is too clear, easy to explain and succinct.

Academics hate this. They like enormous bodies of obscure work so that they can write papers about it forever. That's why they love Hegel and Marx and lads like that. Philosophy is a long con to them, something to base a career on. You can't do this if you cut through the bullshit.

Academic philosophers are the successors of the ancient sophists, not the ancient philosophers. After all, the defining differences between a sophist and a philosopher are that one gets paid and the other doesn't and that one bullshits professionally while the other seeks clarity of his own volition.