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If you study philosophy, you can be better at pseudo-philosophizing plebs, so when some pothead tries to talk about philosophy when he's only learned about it from those "philosophy for idiots" videos on youtube, or when some fedora man tells you that reading Plato is useless because he's not scientific like the real smarties in the world, you can tell them how full of shit they are and that they've got everything wrong.

Studying philosophy will make you a better person.

>>6613414
you must more live philosophically, than to learn philosophy.
-to live the good life
-to create new concepts

you will question thoughts, speeches and actions of every body, yours included.


>what are the difficulties/problems ?
>why are they difficulties/problems ?
>what are the solutions ?
>why are they solutions ?
>What are the necessities ?
>what are the sufficiences ?
>what are the causes ?
> what are the effects ?
>what are the means ?
>what are the goals ?

And it appears that, without even discussing the solutions nor the logics and motivations of the causes and the effects, most of the problems that people discuss IRL or in their books, are vapid, incomplete, foreign.

To learn philosophy is to learn why such or such philosopher created such and such concepts against such and such problems.

For fun

to become a better Human Being

>>6613414
To get a better perspective and breadth in your view of everything around you.
Its pure curiosity.
Its beyond science, beyond a career, beyond the goals dictated by whatever society you are living in.
Its also a way to shed propaganda and certitudes.
Its a tool for more constructive thinking, for being able to make sense of everything around you.

>>6613600
Including your desires and why you desire what you desire.
Why you want what you want. Why is this or that problematic. Why is it that on some topics you seem to be able to agree and disagree with both sides?
Its a way of becoming more conscious of everything, including yourself.

>>6613449
Only right answer

>>6613438
but how does it make someone a better person?

>>6613439
>>6613600
These

>>6613793
This

>>6613414
To distract yourself from the nagging thought that you're perhaps just a little bit too stupid to understand science

>>6613823

This b8 is too bad m8, nobody actually finds science too hard. Most find it too plain, too easy and too understandable to get interested on it.

>>6613823
This.

Someone tell Kripke to take a biology class. Idiot.

>>6613414
>what is the point of studying philosophy..?
How can you proclaim to think when you don't even know how to frame your thoughts?

>>6613414
There's no end to the benefits. You'll understand much more and be able to see through much more bullshit. You'll also realize that virtually everything is posturing and nobody really knows all that much about anything

Study philosophy if you are interested in philosophy, it will be fun.

>>6613438
i kekd

Feel and look smart.

The relevant questions in philosophy have been handed over to physics and sociobiology. Philosophy as history of human understanding is interesting though.

>>6613845
How can you learn to frame your thoughts when you can't think?

>>6614178
How can thought be real if our ideas aren't real?

>>6614150
>The relevant questions in philosophy have been handed over to physics and sociobiology.
What physics and sociobiology say about meaning of life?

>>6614216
That's not even a relevant question in philosophy

>>6614216
What is the meaning of spiral galaxies?

>>6614233
>implying your opinion of relevance is relevant

>>6614248
>implying it isn't

>>6614233
Are you mentally ill? Have you ever read philosophy?

>>6614298
No one gives a fuck about it anymore. Philosophy has moved on from circlejerking over shit ethics.

>>6613414
There's no benefit from studying philosophy, thats why you need to study it

For someone that can translate between arabic and greek, this is a stupendous question

>>6613414
so that you can genuinely type 69deep420me ironically on a Liechtensteinian lithography image-swapping board

>>6613414
http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Theoria

So that you can make dank memes on /lit which only a few people can understand.

>>6613609
>Studying philosophy is fun
Being a philosopher is the grandest joy.

>>6613414
So I can be up to date with the latest dank stirner memes

>>6613414
i wouldn't bother with philosophy, just shut up, do what you're told, and work for someone else and have 2 kids, a wife, and a house with a two-car garage.

>>6613414

It doesn't give you solace?

>>6613414
Pic related.

>>6613784
It makes you a better person because you stopping pseudo-intellectuals. Which helps everyone.

Freedom from disturbance. I can't remember the Greek word but it starts with an A.

Sorry people are responding to the stem b8 in your thread OP :(

>>6613807
this

You know how some people like a really tidy house and care about decorating and furniture? Some people care about the interior of their mind and the ideas, and philosophy is important for that at the very least.

>>6620216
rofl dude you realize that socrates was literally criticizing sophists (rhetoricians here) as almost diametrically opposed to philosophers?

>>6620990
ataraxia is the word you're looking for.

>>6613414
If you have no interest in being self-aware or being aware of the intellectual tradition that has shaped the west, then you should look at philosophy as kind of like working out for your brain. It really does make you sharper/smarter. If you don't have any interest in that then you are a fucking retard.

>>6613414
so you can date hipster girls that wear skirts and tights

its audience pussy or bust

>>6621010

god u must be an insufferable character

>>6621027
I'm to die for.

>>6621003
i'm pretty sure the moral of that passage is that unless you study philosophy you'll end up as stupid as gorgias

>>6621035
kek

>>6613414
>Why should one study philosophy?
>What are its benefits?
>What is the point of studying philosophy in the modern era?

In learning philosophy you may discover that you must make any meaning you wish to exist in the world. You may choose to continue studying philosophy to BOTH increase your understanding of meaning and how to create it AND as a way to create and understand meaning. Or you might not.

Gee, I dunno OP.

u apply philosophy to contemporary culture/society/events, etc and out comes money

>>6621612

>>6621637
>all these fields eating at mcdonalds
>philosopher only one making money

sounds about right

>>6621612

>>6621637
>amerifats are proud of the fact that there is no place in their society for education

>>6621668

>>6619883
>having 2 kids
>not having 2.5 kids
>2015

>>6621650

>>6621725
Jesus Christ can you even try

>>6621740
whew summer summer summer time fun

>>6621003
The difference between sophists and philosophers is an artificial one for PR purposes by Plato. Philosophy is essentially rhetoric that has tricked people into believing it's more than rhetoric.

But it doesn't matter what Socrates thinks, the excerpt shows how being a philosopher/sophist gives you the upper hand.

>one

don't do that

>>6621823
Plato admitted to being a sophist multiple times in the dialogues. You should read em

>>6621830
>plato being present in his own dialogues

Maybe you should read them.

>>6621860
Socrates is Plato retard

Where to start ?

>>6613570
'Human being' does not need to be capitalised, matey.

>>6614216
That it is an entry level question and the answer is, there is no meaning. Why would a by-product such as life have a purpose?

>>6621871
the Greeks

>>6621971

It's a gateway to math.

>>6621868
That's an overly simplistic reading of the dialogues, silly.

>>6622143
No, he's right. Socrates was just a pseudonym Plato used.

>>6613414
Quine // Foucalt

*•~<fuckin seriously>~•*

>>6621971
and more accurately ?

>>6613414

>>6621943
Only if you understand the word meaning in a religious context.

>>6622184
Shitty bait or a total moron

>>6622147
More of a mouthpiece for opinions he supposedly liked.

You lads sure are careless in your interpretations.

>>6622184
>not knowing falsificationism is a method created by a card carrying can't know le nuthing fag

>>6620995
dis

>>6613414
In college, don't so it unless paired with another major or unless you want to study law

>>6622184
>Implying the scientific method just appeared out of nowhere.

>>6622561
>and implying the scientific method, as it is, is final and finished as oppose to mutating and changing.

>>6613414
First tell us why these questions. It is useless to defend something if objections aren't given.

>>6613414
>looking for a reason to study an arbitrary pursuit which will always be nothing more than the random collection of insights from philosophers

You might be convinced their wisdom is congruent to your own values and your own way of thinking, when all they really are is the carvings you made on the wall of your cave. You watch the shadows of the fire play across its surface, and you feel an unbearable compulsion to drag long fingernails through the earth and stone, to make your mark on this incomprehensible world. But it's nothing more than the scrawled ramblings of a lunatic trying to predict fire from the shadows it casts.

>>6622155
Pre-Socratics. Much of the big Greek thinkers formulated their theories in response to the inquiries of thinkers like Anaximander and Thales. Get a solid primer on the Pre-Socratics, read it, then read Plato and Aristotle and Epicurus and you will see how these ideas are developed over time.

>>6622594
>>6623793
>>6613414
Because it should not be sufficient for a human being to know how to do a job and how to make a living. It is important to know why one lives, and what one lives for. Failing that, philosophy gives you the tools to question your surroundings and the people around you that you can gradually find the answers that work for you. And whether one likes it or not, to live is to philosophize. Every rationalization or generalization a person ever does is an act of metaphysics, ethics, aesthetics. The question that this raises is: Would you rather living consciously or unconsciously? This is one of the things Plato tries to say with his allegory of the cave.

>>6624399
Fucking typo. I need caffeine. I meant to say "live"

>>6622184
philosophy is certainly necessary in the instances in which one wishes to talk about it, otherwise you end up like this guy

>>6613414
to gain intellectual superiority over others

>>6613414
Philosophy is either a branch of formal logic or a more grandiose statement of "muh feels". Study science or pure math if you want to learn something interesting, and study philosophy so that you can gain status over others by having more cultural capital. Nothing in the "feels" branch of philosophy is interesting anyway, so you should just read some Wikipedia summaries so you can quote the important points.

>>6613823
THERE'S NOTHING FUN ABOUT MEMORIZATION.

>>6622184
>MERE SPOOKS

>>6621934
No, but Bean does.

Will philosophy make me a better writer?

>>6624743
>being this pleb

>>6622147

> what is the apology

>>6625889
absolutely not

>>6622184

Presumably you are drawn to philosophy because you want wisdom.

But what is wisdom?

Philosophy is for poo poo heads, I'd read shit like Animal farm instead, used phulixosphy but is literature so fun and interesting

>>6626961

How does one attain it? "Studying Philosophy" implies that you can attain wisdom through long and wearisome hours of academic study. Is this true?

You are asking how wisdom is beneficial in the modern era?

Would it perhaps be more beneficial to be wise in medieval or ancient times? I do not understand what the modern era has to do with it.

It actually does have quite a lot of benefits in most areas of life.

Consider these examples.

You are trying to make your small business profitable. You might go 'what is a customer?' It's someone who buys things. But what about someone that comes in and tells others to come buy things because of your wares. So you now can't just stock exactly what one customer wants it also has to look good. etc. These kinds of questions come up all the time and being able to analyse these scenarios can give you a real edge.

Now consider a relationship. Arguments are common in relationships. I know in many relationship being 'right' is really important. For people that have studied philosophy you can go deeper than that. 'Why is she mad at me? She's the one who was in the wrong?'. But maybe in another sense - an emotional one - she is correct. You can use analysis and logic to be more empathetic and understanding.

These are examples just off the top of my head but I am always using logic in life that I know came from my training in philosophy.

Just off the top of my head, platos cave is very applicable in day to day life. Recognizing that there are some things you've taken for granted your whole life gives you an opportunity to analyze them and look for improvement. If you don't do this you'll lag behind which is bad for business and your love life

>>6627054
top kék

>>6622351
Or as communicative, tbh.

>>6627743
His examples seem kind of lame but an education in philosophy does teach you to think properly, if nothing else, which does provide a lot of benefits.

>>6613414
Philosophers me the best debaters, either because they've mastered the art of logic or they've mastered the art of lying. Usually the latter.