/lit/ - Literature

I wonder what's up with the undead metaphors for the top ETA kids. Hal's the 'revenant', Stice is 'the darkness', and Schacht describes John Wayne as 'undead'. I guess it's just references to not having a regular life, being animated by the sport. I think the differences between the descriptions also matter [ENDING SPOILERS] since Hal becomes a sort of psychological 'revenant', 'the darkness' was 'the wraithness' in the first draft, and John Wayne probably ends up literally dead

Fucking hell these captchas are getting stupider and stupider. 'Street signs'?

>>6720017
>starts on the 14th
>today is day four

Anyway, I'm a bit ahead, only 81pg from the halfway mark, but things are starting to connect, the problem is that i'm loosing interest.

Anyway, the themes i am picking up are depression and the human condition and escaping boredom...anything I'm missing?

So, on the schedule, the following seems at least worth noting:

Page 30: Do you think for one moment that a professional plier of the trade of conversation would fail to probe beak deep into your family's sordid liason with the pan-Canadian Resistance's notorious M. DuPlessis and his malevolent but allegedly irresistible amanuensis-cum-operative Luria P_____?

Page 64: Avril....whose involvement, however demonstrably nonviolent, with certain members of the Quebecois-Seperatist Left while in graduate school placed hehr name on the R.C.M.P.'s notorious 'Personnes a Qui On Doit Surveiller Ateentivement' List.

Note 16: Extremely unpleasant Quebecois-insurgents-and-cartridge-related subsequent developements make it clear that this was (again) Trent (Quo Vadis) Kite.

Note 18: "upscale arty looking film cartridges which latter Don Gately's colleague just about drooled all over the parquet floor at the discriminating-type-fence-value of, potentially, if they were rare or celluloid, or not available on the InterLace Dissemination grid.

Page 91: involvement with the widow of the auteur resonsible...for ...the samizdat

Page 91-92: the wife was fucking anything with a pulse, particularly a Canadian pulse."

Yeah, so to sum that up, Gately and Kite burgled DuPlessis, and killed him by accident by stuffing his mouth with a rag while he had a bad cold.

Unbeknownst to them, he was the Canadian Separatist mastermind and was fucking Avril. He also had a really aces cartridge collection, which Kite couldn't wait to fence. He also has an agent named Luria P, who is fucking Rodney Tine, the president's intelligence chief, and Gately's boss.

Note 16 virtually confirms that a Master Cartridge was among that really slick upscale cartridge collection.

>>6720105
I cannot believe I posted that mistake twice.
>Steeply's boss.

fucking skateboarding christ. I must be getting senile.

>>6720100
I fucked up sorry. I just created the thread because the old one died and the guy in charge didn't do anything so I thought, like, this is my time to shine and all but I guess I just copy pasted the old thread topic into a thread with the cool cover the audiobook I downloaded came with and now I feel pretty stupid so if a new thread comes up that's okay I guess because this one's wrong and stuff and the new thread should probably last for at least two day and all.

This book is FUBU for white people in college.

>>6720118
Wow man, you're too cool for DFW? Don't burn your hand on those scorching meemees, bro!

>>6720135
By fubu i think he meant it's the bee's knees meaning it's super awesome

>>6720118
The author pretty much is college: the person.

>>6720135
I don't find it all that hot tbh

>>6720149
I thought he meant FUBU like the dinduwear clothes

>>6720135
>>6720149
>dfw is awesome! let's go to dairy queen, kids!

is anyone doing the ebook points of reference for this week? please and thank you

>>6720164
>a piece of art appeals to the same demographic to which the creator belongs
>this somehow discredits it

>>6720174
It does when it's mediocre.

>>6720173
Today ends with Marathe singing the US song "all over the map in terms of key"

>>6720188
Shitposters pls go

>>6720164
So white writers write about white people? No shit. Presumably the alternative is 'OOGA BOOGA WHERE THE TONI MORRISON AT?'

In fact, I'd say the DFW fans I know IRL are a roughly half-and-half split between white and asian.

>>6720188
Maybe because you're a dark skinned high school drop out. You just can't relate to it :^)

>>6720188
Here's your merit badge.

ive finished the book

why would joi send the attache an infinite jest copy? isn't that pretty fucking irresponsible? didn't he microwave his head to avoid the master copy being taken? how did duplessis get the copy if it happened before orin betrayed joi's gravesite

>>6720213
I think it was Orin who sent the attache the cartridge, and that's why he knew the location of the grave and that IJ was there, because he went to get it to zombify the attache

>>6720038
>implying John Wayne isn't a Wheelie insider

>>6720219
why the heck would orin do that

>>6720234
Because he's the kind of self-obsessed person that DFW's telling you not to be. That's why he ends up trapped under a giant glass like an insect, because his treatment of "subjects" is just a human butterfly collection, and despite his frequent sexual contact, he's really just on his lonesome

>See Note 304 sub

what does this mean?

>>6720259
Note 304's footnote

>>6720259
>>6720263
I recommend just going ahead and reading all of Note 304.

>>6720330
B-but spoilers!

I come in these threads super scared that I'm going to see a spoiler and then not bother to read the rest.

>>6720366
I had the same reservation initially but consider that the notes already serve to fragment one's experience of the text. One doesn't need to fear spoilers so much when the work's plot is disclosed in such a disjointed way. IJ isn't a genre novel and, as with any piece of post-modern literature, the chances are slim that the plot (such as it is) will have any kind of neat resolution the impact of which would be diminished by knowing any given detail ahead of time. In any case, reading Note 304 will only serve to give you more context for what is going on in the passage from which springs Note 39 which refers you to 304. I also found Note 304 to be one of the funniest passages in the book so far.

When will this shit be over?

Like, when will you guys stop these threads?

>>6720436
You seem really triggered. Maybe you should file a Title IX motion against this thread.

Or, you could just leave. And never come back.

>>6720436
>Infinite Summer
>Infinite

i know this is /lit/ but do the math

>>6720436
Maybe you should go to a webzone that doesn't give the first shit about literature and rot there instead of wasting the post count on this thread full of people who are reading a daunting book despite the challenge and growing their own confidence you piece of shit.

>>6720425
>One doesn't need to fear spoilers so much when the work's plot is disclosed in such a disjointed way. IJ isn't a genre novel and, as with any piece of post-modern literature, the chances are slim that the plot (such as it is) will have any kind of neat resolution the impact of which would be diminished by knowing any given detail ahead of time

Perfectly put. I began reading both GR and IJ because of "spoilers" and then by 1/4 through realized how silly that notion was w/r/t the works.

>>6720464
>IJ
>daunting
>challenge
IJ is pedestrian compared to pretty much any classic literature or "Great Book"

>>6720234
eventually it will mention that his mother fucking mid east attache's is a point of resentment for orin, and also you should not Orin probably has fucked the members of the ladies' tennis group before the events of the novel

>>6720366
There is nothing I can type, as an anon on a micronesian scribbage board to convince you of the fact. It doesn't matter what sequence you read this book. You could arrange the coherent passages on a wall-sized dart board and it wouldn't matter. You will either give up and become a meme-deploying shitposter of this book, or you will become obssesed with solving the mystery. Either way - you do no work to read it, or you will read it three times.

Not every word, mind you. Three times selectively to confirm your bias. To verify the answer you have become invested in.

It's win-win. Quit or finish. Fear nothing. Infinite Jest is not Murders In The Rue Morgue. It is not a whodunnit. There are no real spoilers. Transcendence is absorption.

>>6720476
Sounds like you failed to get it.

Here's your consolation merit badge.

Pages 107-108 pretty much sum up the central message of the book, although it doesn't draw on the full breadth of possible objects of dedication he will throughout the book or even hint at the entertainment angle

It also reminded of MGS, in the way characters there will monologue about one thing taking over your life although it's usually more abstract/philosophical than something like drugs/tv/sports etc, it's fitting though with their discussion cantered around nationhood

>>6720496
>y-you just didn't get it
What makes IJ more "daunting" than, say, Tristram Shandy or Paradise Lost?

>>6720100
I heard the book was meant to nail down the problems with the American pursuit of happiness post baby boom. The main themes I'm getting are success and instant gratification failing to solve the problem of unhappiness

>>6720523
Rad the previous thread. Then, follow along for the next two months and find out. Or fuck off. Either way, wherever you go, there you are. Stuck being you.

>>6720523
It's really easy to read. It's just long and many parts are too stupid to endure.

I'm going back through the reading reading along with an audio book as well as following along with elegant complexity, the reading guide posted in the last thread and I'm getting quite a bit more out of it.

I tend to read quickly and some stuff tends to gloss over me, so I'm slowing down and taking my time and getting some help along the way. Its quite a bit slower (like 1/4th my normal reading spead) but I'm hoping it will be worth it in the end.

I didn't understand the whole agent discussion on the mountain top until someone told me about their importance.

>>6720231
>Wheelie

top kek.

>>6720259
>>6720259
sub="below"

in terms of physical lines beneath the line you are reading

supra="above"

in terms of lines in the direction of the top of the page you are reading

NB=note bene

"attend well", i.e. pay special attention.

Don't universities even have a survey course in basic academic notation anymore?

>>6720464
>thread full of people who are reading a daunting book despite the challenge and growing their own confidence

It's a fucking contemporary American novel, not the North face of the Eiger.

>>6720464
Except most people who "give the first shit about literature" laugh at DFW's efforts.

I guess white teenagers on 4chan know more about literature than Yale professors.

>>6720595
Oh, look, an acolyte of the cult of sucking Harold Bloom's ass.

Your dried up obsolete elitist idol can pucker up his arid out-dated piehole and kiss my hairy ass.

And so can you, sweety.

>>6720572
You can share your badge with this other asshole. >>6720496

>>6720595
Yale? That homosupressed petersmooch coterie that gave rise to presidency of 2001-2008? That Yale? Keep up the good work.

>>6720595
That would be the guy who tried to pass off the Book Of J as a real thing? Wow, you really convinced me with that hot shitposting.

GUYS

Maybe AVRIL sent the samizdat to the attache!

>>6720538
Oh, you don't even have an answer.

I've read IJ by the way, but I don't think you have.

These threads scare intelligent people away from /lit/. The fact that you guys will usurp the board for more than two months just might be the death of anything worth reading you ever saw on /lit/.

>>6720595
Yeah so I have been reading some of Bloom's books lately and they're bad. And the writing is incoherent. I have no problem with what he likes, but he's inarticulate and repetitive and has nothing particularly interesting to say. Not that DFW did either—

>>6720595
>trusting the authority of an academic
Kek

>>6720116
I was gonna make the new thread but got scared all the anons would hate me for fucking up somehow. So I decided to wait till someone else did and scold them for any mistakes

>>6720533
>instant gratification failing to solve the problem of unhappiness
>caused by a search for an escape of the banality of life (boredom) which is futile and leads to depression
>isn't this the human condition?

i think we're on the same page, anon. thanks

moreover, generally, what're you all thinking about the book?
so far i r8 4-6/8, m8

>>6720838
>one thread out of how many??

i'm sure /lit/ will survive, hopefully you won't

>>6720810
It was posted from AZ, though - she can't leave ETA

Sorry if it's a bit off topic but does anyone have that pic that shows the equivalence between IJ and about 7 books regarding nr of pages ?

>pic not related

Very interesting to come back to IJ after reading Joyce (whose influence is more stylistic than anything else, but really noticeable in that) and Perec (who contributes a massive amount to DFW's characterizations_.

no 1. scene I'm angry didn't exist

Mario asking Joelle for her madame psychosis tapes at enett hosue

what is the significance of orin's answers in the survey about missing tv advertisement and lowbrow entertainment? just a commentary on the character, or part of something bigger?

>>6720810
>>6721605
It is clear, though, that we are supposed to infer that Avril gave DuPlessis his copy. Which is a master.

>>6720838
meanwhile in others threads:
>christposting
>/pol/ invasions
>genuine meme experts and redditors
>bookshelves and more bookshelves
>some more christposting
Yeah, this is definitely bad compared to everything else :^^^)

What's the deal with the occasional misspelled word? I understand that Wallace has his neologisms, but in some cases I think it's just an error. E.g. "corticatization" in endnote 46.
Do they have any significance or are they just mistakes? I've come across a few so far and I'm only 100 pages in. I'm reading the 2006 edition, though, and I'd thought all errors would have been edited out.

>>6720595
Reminder that bloom only wrote one novel and it was fan-fiction.

Are there actually teenagers as eloquent and learned as the ETA kids? The possibility makes me insecure about my own intellect.

>>6722947
does it count if you're 19 and attended a public school

>>6722947
no
source : hs TA

>>6722806
Making you aware of the artificial nature of the text

>>6720105
I think one of the cartirdges they stole was Infinite Jest aka the video that mind fucked the atache and all those other people.

>>6720164
>writing for a white audience is a bad thing

Cucks plz go

>>6722982
suburbian, pls go

>>6722955
Not if you weren't smart enough to get a scholarship to a private school.

>>6723016
tfw no such thing where I live
my actual purfiction dream is having such option here just so I could relate to all the E.T.A.s and show off big time on /lit/.
my life sucks

>>6720595
>using white as a pejorative

Your ivy leaguer professors would be proud

>>6723027
>tfw high school years at an elite school would have been the best years of my life had I been able to find just one or two people with whom I could form an unwavering bond
>tfw just 5 years of half-friends
>tfw no Harry-Ron-Hermione friendship

>>6723044
Look around you. White is a pejorative. The only race so terminally uncool that referential humor took a firm grip and hasn't slacked since.

>>6723101
As someone who's Indian we are presented as dorks in media a lot more.

>>6723094
the feels are getting to me.
tfw HS = x years of half-friends here too
>tfw no academic mom fucking everything with a pulse

>>6723094
One of the themes in yesterday's reading was that you should have found something bigger than a personal bond to strive for, because even deep human bonds are fickle.

>>6723107
That's because you guys want to be white, and the only thing worse than being a bonafide dork is wanting to be one, which is what everyone who enjoys DFW pretty much is. Carrying around a copy of IJ is like wearing a Family Guy t-shirt.

Pynchon, though white, understands this on an almost intimate level. Check out the intro to Fariña's book and the sections about McClintic Sphere.

>>6723135
And the vibe im getting from your posts is an insecure darkie or a self hating white, both of which are pathetic.

You being so adamant about this point makes you seem really insecure.

>>6723116
Was that the locker room part? I missed what you're referring to.

>>6723160
Nah he's talking about Marathe and Steeplys monologues on life passions

>>6723155
Back to /pol/

>>6723155
It doesn't matter if you agree or not, because in a few years you'll see it for yourself.

>>6723116
>>6723168
Fuck can we talk about this kind of stuff so I can be sure I don't miss it? Like I understood what Marathe was saying while while I was reading it but I never really consider it as a "theme" or whatever.

>>6723186
I'm still the Indian bud, I'm speaking from a nonwhite perspective and this is how I see you.

>>6723196
>>6720497
Marathe criticizes Steeply for dedicating his life to a country while Steeply criticizes him for betraying his and simply dedicating his life to his sick dying wife and they talk about the nature of choice in those type of passions

What do you dedicate your life to? Will you choose it? Can you even choose it?

Or will it be something mindless and deliberately sold to you like television or drugs?

This really gets to the core of the books central message

>>6723228
But then Marthe was the one mocking Rod for falling for L instead of focusing on serving his cause and called him a fool for being willing to die twice for her.

Was this meant to be ironic or was it an exposition that he was pretending to pretend to pretend (I don't even know how many pretends it is anymore) betray his wheelie cult?

>>6723238
pretending to pretend = double negative

>>6723245
But it said he could be triple agent at a point too and maybe another layer on top of that.

>>6723258
It's to maximize the confusion, I think.

>>6723228
>Marathe criticizes Steeply for dedicating his life to a country while Steeply criticizes him for betraying his and simply dedicating his life to his sick dying wife
When did this happen? I only remember it happening as this anon said
>>6723238
I saw "feminized" Steeply as having the romantic view of Rod and Luria's relations while Marathe was critical of Rod's choice to make Luria his passion.

Will there be any follow-up to the circa-p550 bit with Pemulis walking in on Avril and JW doing some weird kinky shit?plz say yes

>>6723458
Yeah. Poor Peemster...

>>6722689
is this clear with what we have read so far? If so, how?

I have a question about the end of the novel

well not necessarily the END but still

so how did John Wayne get a hold of Pemulis' Tenuate? And why did he react so erratically about it?

>>6723518
I didn't infer that tbh

But it makes sense

>>6723518
see
>>6720105

>>6722976
It is as spelled out as it can be without hitting us on the head.

>>6723298
I am inclined to agree with you on the Marathe's attitude conclusion. Marathe is, in fact, in a state of betrayal to the wheelies. That Rod Tine is also a turncoat reveals him to Marathe to be no better than himself. Marathe must feel contempt for Tine, as a way of displacing that contempt which the fact of Marathe's choices would otherwise force him to turn on himself.

Anyone else wanna start this August 22nd and read 50 pages a day until we finish around September 12th. I hate being committed to just 15 pages a day and think a number of us would do this Infinite Fall countdown to Deathday

>>6723526
This is extremely rangy and spread out all through the novel. (page 700)Troeltsch has a sinus infection. (note 332, page 1073).Troeltsch has stolen Tenuate from Pemulis and hidden it in his Seldane bottles.

The rest is given in detail in note 324, page 1069, "See for instance Wayne..."

Why has the tumblr not been updated for Week 2?

>>6720810

Also, as >>6721605 pointed out, Avril has an alibi for that one. Orin, on the other hand, living in AZ, and bitterly jealous and resentful over his mother's dalliances, does not. He does have means, motive, and opportunity.

>>6723526
Fucking Troeltsch put it in a Seldane bottle, and John Wayne promoted some thinking it was Seldane. He probably took a lot without any drine experience, plus being a pretty high-pressure guy on the inside

>>6723574
The thing is, though, that's basically just Himself's paranoid speculation that Avril is still involved with separatism, it's not necessarily confirmed. There's also a REALLY disgusting theory that Avril is Luria Perec.

>>6723695
how much of a spoiler is in the spoiler in this post? Im tempted to read it, but it seems that many people ITT alrdy read the whole.

Is Hal fucked up in the first chapter because he watched Infinite Jest?

>>6723695
Well, ok, but
" involvement with the widow of the auteur resonsible...for ...the samizdat"
is from Steeply and so is

" the wife was fucking anything with a pulse, particularly a Canadian pulse."

And that rather arch "Prior?" the speaker is aware of /current/ involvement, is from Marathe.

If you go into this looking for a smoking gun and a neon sign that says "SOANDSO DID IT IN THE PARLOR WITH THE CANDLESTICK" then just read it for fun. This is as good as the evidence gets.

>>6723695
There is also a really fascinating theory that Iago was a Cypriot spy and assassin, but there is no evidence for it on the page. You've been given 6 cites from four sources.

>>6723765
You really want to know? Really?

>Father creates a fucked up thing
>It exists, but most people don't know about it/say that it's just a theory or a myth
>His children are involved
>Shit goes down
/lit/, do you think that, ofcourse after Hamlet, BK, DeLillo's works etc, was Cat's Cradle a huge inspo for Wallace?

>mfw most of /lit/ claims that Vonnegut is a hack, then this happens

>>6723712
I can't really see that there is any. It's all from the reading within the schedule. It also contains a speculation which five minutes of cross referencing would show is wildly off base.

>>6723805
Oh, thanks. I just read it now and.. yeah, not a spoiler at all, thank God.

im not digging the hal scenes as much as the other ones

>>6723802
Huge? Ceratinly some. Like all geniuses, he stole from everybody. Of all the diatribes and laudations, I think the best summary observation is that Wallace was the Larry/Lana Wachowski of the literary world.

>One contentious, brilliant, envy-hate inspiring work of undeinable genius
>Entirely derivative and synthetic
>Heavy on the spectacle and pyrotechnics, one-track-minded on the humanity
>Loved by a core, hated by many
>Huge betrayal among fans, worsened with increasing distance from the one work
>Brutal self-mutilation alienates him from the gatekeepers of the canon, causing unfavorable retro-re-evaluation.

Did I miss anything?

>>6723796
No, sorry, just speculation

>>6723817
I'll go ahead and add
>decreasing quality of output due to wonderboy syndrome

allowing for sparks here and there, but then again, there are people willing to go down with the Speed Racer ship, so there you go with critical judgement.

>>6723658
For anyone else still keeping to this schedule.


Week Two:

Day 1: 97-109

Day 2: 109-126

Day 3: 127-137

Day 4: 137-151

Day 5: 151-169

Day 6: 169-181

Day 7: 181-200

>>6723817
>One contentious, brilliant, envy-hate inspiring work of undeinable genius
>undeinable genius
I don't know whether I'd use this phrase to describe Matrix, but the parallels are fairly accurate.

>>6723843
I saw it in Cali in 1999 in a house packed with with industry down-credit labor. Gaffes and boom operators. Make up people. Foleys.

They were blown away. Like the credits are over and the house lights come up and they are still sitting there with their mouths hanging open and drool running down their chin.

For the young creatives at that time, it parted their hair in a way that happens maybe once in a generation.

>>6724159
Damn, kind of a different viewing experience there.
and year too.

>>6724175
Yeah, and that's part of what I mean about retro-re-evaluation. During its run, Matrix had exactly zero detractors. Even people who hated scifi and specfic were willing to acknowledge a milestone had been crossed.

But then the sequels. Then the political stuff with V. then the Lana thing. then, well, you know. They get re-evaluated by later veiwers and later critics who have already seen 42 matrix clones and riffs, and it doesn't punch as hard.

I think that's happening with IJ. Now that every ass-prof whose manuscript is collecting dust on some ancient hard drive can quip, "HA! It's all just a million word suicide note!" he gets re-evaluated down the totem pole. By people who weren't there, and whose motives are far from the evaluation of aesthetics.

>>6723840
So today is through 126?

What would DFW have made of virtual reality technology, and will an Infinite Jest-esque film/experience ever be achieved?

>>6724275
Yeah

"Of this anti-film that antidotes the seduction of the Entertainment we have no evidence except craziness of rumors." Marathe, page 125.

Other critical plot elements IJ narrators and characters give only as rumors which turn out to be true:

Avril's adulteries
[Page 233]The existence of IJ V /itself/

The effects of watching IJ V
[Page 475]The existence of the mind control p-terminal experiment
[page 170]The effects of DMZ can cause the user to permanently lose the ability to communicate
[page 965]The Quebec tennis team showing up in wheelchairs.



The one time rumors turn out to be false:
[Page 128] There are no feral hamster in the tunnel. It's just rotting food.

Today's reading plot upshot: there is an anitdote film for IJ V.

Also, some might find this useful. It shows which page the note is noted from. So if you are reading note 304, and wonder, "which page sent me to note 304?" this is that concordance:

http://russillosm.com/ij.html#2

Super useful.

>>6724434
Do we have a reason to believe that the antidote is a film and not an anti-film in the sense of something which works against the film? Specifically, that the antidote isn't the DMZ? At the same time, if the antidote isn't in the grave, why dig it up? And, my personal favourite weird IJ question - how can you dig up a head which has been exploded like two sticks of TNT?

>>6723788
I didn't invent the theory, man, and vague textual references from characters who don't know the truth aren't exactly 'sources'. I think the Avril-Luria connection is left ambiguous because DFW doesn't want us to have any insight whatsoever into Avril's inner life - not even whether her compulsions are neuroses or disguise. And if Avril had given DuPlessis the tape, why doesn't Marathe know that DuPlessis had it - he thought the burglary was a pure assassination, whereas if the OUS had stolen the Master the game would be up?

My understanding is that (Big spoilers) the Antitois got a cartridge from Sixties Bob along with a bunch of blank cartridges and the DMZ. However, it couldn't have been the Master, because they'd have noticed that master cartridges look different. Orin has had the Master all along. Marathe thinks Orin sent DuPlessis the Entertainment, but is wrong in believing that it's the Master. The AFR know that it's not the master copy, so they send operatives to interview Orin without telling Marathe, because they're using him to feed false information to Steeply so that Steeply will piss around in a dress instead of calling in the cavalry to grab Orin before the AFR.

>>6723805
The idea is not a spoiler. Its disgustingness is a spoiler.

>>6724631
>I think the Avril-Luria connection is left ambiguous because DFW doesn't want us to have any insight whatsoever into Avril's inner life

There is nothing ambiguous about this. Luria is not and cannot be Avril. Avril is an agoraphobic obsessive compulsive. You'd have to have her off-campus for most of the novel, and here's the thing - she never leaves ETA. If you are going to reveal yourself to be one of those "Matrix within a Matrix" types who just asserts theories out of thin air, then, what's the point?

Also, how is having four seperate characters hitting you over the head with identical information "vague?" Do you expect a neon sign somewhere in there with a big bugs bunny arrow pointing to the owner of the Master cartridge?

>>6724631
>Do we have a reason to believe that the antidote is a film

That's what the reported rumors say it is. Important rumors in IJ always turn out to be true. As I have given examples of, with page numbers.

>>6724434
My page 125 is about Mario and USS MK

>>6723574
It is clear to me that Avril has relations with DuPlessis, but I don't see the motive for handing over a master copy of IJ

Can you guys make a website and put all this shit elsewhere?

>>6724867
Sorry people are actually talking about literature on /lit/

>>6724872
IJ is a book, not literature.

>>6724867
This is so great.

>>6724846
I'm using the English language trade paperback first edition from 1996. It's pagination is identical to the incredibly rare and expensive first edition hardcover, also from 1996.

>>6724861
Setting aside that no one is offering an alternate interpretation of note 16, cited above, let's just say that today the schedule is where it is, and later the schedule will be father along.

>>6724867
And for the peanut gallery, remember where you are. That this little project has made it this far is already an accomplishment up there with Not Bill Murray. Between the trolls attacking IJ by name-checking freshman survey course syllabi and shitposters throwing up pictures of the soon-to-be-solved-actuarially Harold Bloom, having a few actual pre-meme IJ veterans sheepdogging this thing along might just be what keep a few anons in the game long enough to finish the book with something like a commitment to what it actually says.

David Foster Wallace killed himself on September 12, Year of Dairy Products from the American Heartland. Aside from his time spent in Illinois, the significance of his choice of that fictional year from the novel remains a mystery.

>>6725047
is there anyway to make out what fictional year corresponds with the real year?

>>6724691
We're told that. She did travel regularly before the felo-de-se, and Rodney Tine seems to come to Boston a lot. If Avril is Luria, she may be faking it, because that's the sort of weirdly-excessive-cover-thing spies do in IJ's crazy espionage-world. There are enough biographical similarities between the two to leave the possibility open, but if you're expecting IJ to give you a yes or no answer it's not happening. I've been clear that it's a far-out theory, but it's not ruled out as you seem to think it is. It is possible it may not work, but that would require someone to go through the chronology of Luria's visit to AZ, which to the best of my knowledge nobody online has done in response to Luria-Avril speculation.

It is not the master cartridge. This is explicitly stated later on, with the AFR saying roughly 'not even the Antitois would be so dumb as not to notice a master cartridge in their haul'.

>>6724700
I'm asking how to parse Marathe's term 'anti-film' - as saying 'a film that is anti-' or 'a thing which is anti- the film'.

>>6724947
Note 16 doesn't imply that it's a master cartridge, only that it is the Entertainment. The medical attache's copy isn't the only one Orin made - he also demapped some film critics. DuPlessis could have got hold of one of those other ones. Regardless, the origin of his copy, if he even had a real copy, is not stated.

>>6723615
fuck you and read at your own pace. the scheduler is more of a guideline and we all know this.
i started at the 14th with the rest and am now on pg 460 but enjoy keeping up with the convos here and i could still talk about stuff ahead of the lot but with spoilers

>>6725079
Yes. 2000 was the last un-subsidized year. Year of the Depend Adult Undergarment is 2009, based on both the calendar and the text of the novel.

http://www.wallacewiki.com/david-foster-wallace/index.php?title=Subsidized_Time

http://www.thehowlingfantods.com/dfw/images/theses/chronijfinal1.3.pdf

http://infinitejest.wallacewiki.com/david-foster-wallace/index.php?title=Infinite_Jest [page search 2009]

"the MIT Language Riots took place in 1997 (n. 24) and those riots occurred 12 years prior to Y.D.A.U. (n. 60). Also, if the "2007" in "Year of the Yushityu 2007 Mimetic-Resolution-Cartridge-View-Motherboard-Easy-To-Install-Upgrade For Infernatron/InterLace TP Systems For Home, Office, Or Mobile" refers to the pre-subsidization-style numerical date convention, then Y.D.A.U., which comes two years later, would be 2009. "

As with all things IJ, Matty Pemulis' age of "three or four" provides just enough ambiguity for wags to make specious arguments, but these are never accompanied by page number cites, and fall into the "The Incredibles is an allegory about gun control"-level fantasies.

>>6725111
Avril is not Luria. Avril is at ETA when Luria is fucking Orin. Avril is at ETA when Luria is fucking Tine. Avril is at ETA when Luria is torturing Orin in the tumbler. Keep pressing it, though, because when it comes to page numbers, your little troll project will be an excellent screen cap.

>>6725111
>I'm asking how to parse Marathe's term 'anti-film'
You are asking how to parse a plain-language term, which is not the only mention, which you conveniently paint over, again, without page numbers, cites, or evidence.

Let me ask you this -- are you a big Harold Bloom fan?

>>6725185
Christ mate, this idea has been knocking about since the early days of infinite summer. Take your attitude to an Evola thread.

>>6725111
>DuPlessis could have got hold of one of those other ones
Page number?

No?

Care to tangent about how The Incredibles is an allegory about gun control?

>>6725191
I'm not your mate, friend. And the shelf life of stupid is forever.

>>6725193
It's in the section where Tine measures his penis, along with other Entertainments in, surprise surprise Louisiana and Arizona. You can look it up on google books, I don't have the page # to hand. If you've already read the book, consider looking up the various ending theories, which do a good job of synthesizing the evidence into one place.

>>6725185
>when Luria is torturing Orin in the tumbler

damn, did DFW predict tumblr too??

>>6725193
>muh page numbers
>if you don't post a page number it obv. isn't real

>>6725218
How convenient, another baseless assertion, masquerading as evidence, complete with "you do it."

You should consider the late hour, Harold. Men of your age need their sleep.

>>6725245
Enjoy reading the imaginary text in your head.

>>6725247
You are a shitposter who either hasn't read the book or barely remembers it.

https://books.google.com/books?id=Nhe2yvx6hP8C&printsec=frontcover&dq=infinite+jest&hl=en&sa=X&ei=DrCIVb2aIIWgsAHTh5TwCA&ved=0CDEQ6AEwAA#v=onepage&q=berkeley&f=false

>>6725252
coming from someone not reading along who's 'already read it'

I read it in a week last year. It was highly addictive.

>tfw can't reread with you guys because I left the book at my parents home

>>6725261
Oh, look, a shitposter calling the only substantiated citations a shitposter. Your link is to random pages. Who do you think you are fooling, Harold?

>>6725262
Page number?

Refutation of page number?

I thought not. Harold

>>6725332
You are retarded. The link is to a search for 'Berkeley', which is where one of the other copies ended up. The first result confirms what I was saying.

I was about to suggest you consider imitating Joelle, but then I realized you probably don't get invited to parties.

>>6723298
Sorry if I misremembered it, I'd go back and check but I'm pretty tired now

Interesting and obvious on a second and more considered read why Wallace would place the discussions of tennis after Marathe and Steeply talking about life dedications

I love the inter-relationships of ETA, particularly between the young adults, those scenes are usually pretty comfy

>>6724947
Not Bill Murray is still the best thing I've seen in all my time on 4chan and I don't even remember half of it
Regardless, I'll be here everyday giving my thoughts on the day's scene(s) whenever I can and trying to continue the discussion
I'm not getting ahead of schedule because I'm still reading other books on the side, it's also nice to read piece by piece, actually thinking about scenes individually even though a lot of the discussion tends to center the novel as a whole

>>6725349
The evidence which doesn't exist confirms my delusional baseless assertion from earlier. Don't you realize IJ is an allegory about the critical importance of the gold standard? Here's a picture of some text which I say is right, on the internet. Trust me.

>>6725349
Page number?

No?
Still?

Good night, Bloom. Hope you wake up. [not]

>>6725381
see >>6725245

>>6725381
People use different editions, but google books is one link away, you mong. It's 548 in my copy.

>>6725252
see
>>6725389

What does "reading" mean, for 2000 Alex?

>>6725404
Which signifies what, Harold? Your diagnosis?

>>6725404
Yeah. The censored incomplete, un-page-numbered google preview is definitely definitive. And that tile view of dozens of disjointed passages which have nothing to do with each other was as convincing as your hot shitposting, spergtron.

>>6725424
For the benefit of anyone following this conversation:

I claimed that other copies of the Entertainment had appeared outside the one posted to Boston.

I was asked for proof.

I provided a link and a page number to a page where the other appearances of the Entertainment are enumerated.

Goodnight, Bloomposter. I hope you dream of the smiley-faced sergeant-at-arms who hooks shitposters out of group reads.

>>6725430
If you're unfamiliar with Google Books, nb that you have to click on a page preview to see the full page. The search contains multiple references to the Entertainment's appearance in Berkeley. If something's on there, it's in the book - or do you think Google puts fake pages up to troll people?

>>6725444
>>6725451
Here is a search based on [noun] which appears 37 times, which proves I am right. Shitpost, shitpost, no evidence, irrelevant red herring, MacGuffin.

Gee, thanks. See you tomorrow.

>>6725444
>I provided a link and a page number

Pretty funny. Point to this "link and page number"

Then, to really impress, explain how the tapestry of search results for [noun] in any way relates to anything.

Oh yeah, you can't.

This book is amazing!!!!!!!!! I feel really close to the author, its like he's in my brain, saying my thoughts, but so much better than i ever could.

Best novel ever written, bar none. R.I.P. to a beautiful mind.

>>6725487
First result in the book for 'Berkeley':
"It had popped up in Berkeley NCA, in the home of a film-scholar and his male companion, neither of whom had appeared for appointments for days"

Page number is here:
>>6725404

Joke's on me, you were only pretending to be retarded, right?

>>6725513
>I don't even own a copy

>muh 20% google preview is definitive

>what more proof do you need I have never even read it.

> this uncited sentence has anything to do with anything.

/lit/, everyone.

>>6725552
Nobody with sufficient reading comprehension to follow the book is buying your bait.

>tfw you will never listen to madame psychosis' show

>>6725580
>tfw you'll never be able to listen to Gately speak at AA

>>6725513
So, Avril was in Berkeley? And into beards? What are you even saying?

>>6725560
What book? You don't even have a copy.
Samefag.
Now close the thread, then reopen it, then post a screenshot showing you're not samefagging.

Samefag.

>>6725580
the idea is always more appealing than the reality

>>6725560
Oh, look, still no cites. No evidence, No explanation. No reference to the actual book at all. Which midwestern call liquor community college do you call home?

>>6725594
A copy of the Entertainment was sent to Berkeley, demapping a film critic. Later on, Marathe says he suspects it was from Orin, and that the OUS has the tape from Berkeley (although they didn't begin investigating in earnest until the attache got demapped and it became a diplomatic incident).

>>6725513
Here is a random sentence, how it fits into any random sentence I've posted above is up to you to figure out. But it definitely proves that my prima facie potato theory is the right one.

>>6725636
wrong.
The flannel fibers found in the sfpd vault the Entertainment was taken from suggest this is how the AFR got one of theirs (candians wore flannel in the shit parts)

>>6725636
Oh. Where does all this happen?

>>6725580

Didn't the book describe her madame psychosis segments as almost creepily droll and dry? Or did I read that section wrong?

>>6725613
>midwestern...college

Hey, you got that right! Shame about the rest.

>>6725654
Huh, I didn't remember that. Was that before the Steeply/Marathe conversation? That'd be very interesting because then either Marathe doesn't know it was taken, or Steeply thinks Marathe doesn't know that it was taken and Marathe is denying it with his "confiscated from razzles of Berkeley, Boston" line.

>>6725656
Quite a ways on from the current reading, in the second half of the book. It's only really mentioned offhand a couple times - A short Rodney Tine chapter lists three pre-attache Entertainments, and Steeply boasts to Marathe nearer the end of their conversation that OUS has multiple copies of the Entertainment, and Marathe responds that OUS got them from Berkely and Boston

>>6725690
you find out later that both sides have numerous copies already
oops spoilers

>>6725779
>oops spoilers
somehow i feel this wasn't a mistake

>>6725675
>>6725698
So, page numbers? Explication?

Or just more shitposting?

Oh, right. Just more shitposting.

Hey, did you know that in a later chapter the lamo ayyy aliums take Stice's bed and have a cobversation with Hal via teleputer?

It;s on page itdoesntmatterimright.

i dont even know whats going on itt anymore.

>trying to read a book with /lit/
never again

>>6725822
how about you read the fucking book so you know what people are talking about, you aspie fuck

>>6725779
yeah, but that doesn't explain why Marathe claims OUS has the Berkeley copy. It makes sense that both sides have multiple copies since there are at least four read-onlys floating around and ONAN security is utterly inept.

>>6725831
someone decided to piss in an ocean of piss, other guy confirmed with pics. /b/ with /b/ooks

>>6725847
I meant the FLQ. The FLQ are albertans, the AFR are Quebecers.
Both wear flannel for obvious reasons.

>>6725877
>Both wear flannel for obvious reasons.
fans of Nirvana and Cobain in general?

>>6725894
No Seatle-ites adopted that shit ironicaly.
Its a regional thing.

So Marathe and Steeply are business partners or something. Marathe is some cripple who works for the AFR but is pretending to pretend to do business with this terrorist group for personal gain. And Steeply is a tranny of some sort who is part of this group because his wife is sick. Am I on the right track. I read this part in starbucks and they were playing awful, shit hipster music and I only half concentrated on this section.

>>6725999
Marathe, the cripple, is the one with a very sick wife.

>>6726004
ok and he is backstabbing the AFR so he can help her?

>>6726007
We don't know for sure yet whether Marathe is sincere in his betrayal of the AFR. As another anon pointed out, it seems unlikely, given his belief that dedicating oneself to another person (in this case, his sick wife) is bad.

Is anyone else really starting to enjoy this? Is it bad that I enjoy DFW's prose?

>>6726019
cool. Thanks for clearing it up. Im really starting to like it. How people derive meme from this book doesn't seem to make sense to me

>>6726019
>>6726028
i'm on the opposite boat. the more i read (on pg460 now) the more it's coming together but the less i'm enjoying it...i basically only like the marathe/steeply stuff and the gately stuff

>>6725877
Wait, what? The Q in FLQ stands for Quebec. They're the real-life separatist terrorists.

I don't know if they have an Entertainment, I've never heard a theory or a guide suggest that as more than a possibility but it is one way the Entertainment could have gotten to the Antitois... but then why didn't it demap them when they played it?

>>6726019
His prose is really impressive. I'm coming back to this after reading Ulysses in the interim and I can really see how DFW and Joyce are both very clever at controlling the flow of sentences, the viewpoint of the narrative (that is, ventriloquism), and at drip-feeding you information throughout a scene.

>>6726034
Well that's disheartening.

I don't fully understand the whole political side yet. As far as I know, Marathe is a member of the Quebecois far left separatist group AFR. Steeply is part of a U.S. secret services kind of agency (BSS). Steeply is wanting to know whether the AFR have access to the Entertainment and if they were responsible for the incident with the medical attache.

Is the BSS just part of O.N.A.N.?
Is O.N.A.N. just the name for the U.S. government or what?
Why do the Quebecois separatists have anything to do with O.N.A.N./B.S.S.? How is the U.S. relevant to obtaining sovereignty for Quebec?

(such as the AFR and), wish to have any

Well that's disheartening.

I don't fully understand the whole political side yet. As far as I know, Marathe is a member of the Quebecois far left separatist group AFR. Steeply is part of a U.S. secret services kind of agency (BSS). Steeply is wanting to know whether the AFR have access to the Entertainment and if they were responsible for the incident with the medical attache. Is all this correct?

Is the BSS just part of O.N.A.N.?
Is O.N.A.N. just the name for the U.S. government or what?
Why do the Quebecois separatists have anything to do with O.N.A.N./B.S.S.? How is the U.S. relevant to obtaining sovereignty for Quebec?
Why would the AFR have any business with an attack of the medical attache? The book mentions the attache's connection to a "buyer of trans-grid entertainment". What's the significance of this?

pls no spoiler

>>6726060
i thought Steeply was from the OUS which is the Gentle's version of the FBI or CIA or w.e.

>>6726067
>>6726067
>BSS is part of ONAN
>the foundation and composition of ONAN will be explained at length later on
>Quebec and a lot of other stuff got turned into a dumping ground for toxic waste, that's what the fans and catapults in Boston are for, to send from ourselves what we hope will not return
>The attack on the attache will be explained much later on

>>6725833
Shitposting by a faggot who doesn't even own a copy.

god you suck donkey balls. Make up some more shit out of thin air.

Community college scum.

Ok guys, explain to me... page 575:Orin realizes that the swiss hand model has same swiss accent as the legless surveyer(sic)
the legless fucking who. And why swiss.

>>6727014
Obviously, she's Avril. The Chicago genius proved it with pics.

>>6727185
Chicago genius?

>skips nigger section
>short read today

>>6727398
don't do it. ;_;

when is the tumblr gonna be updated? I wanna know where to stop with the readings on ebook version.

>>6727852
I think this project failed already. OP is gone, no more schedule, everyone talking with spoiler tags about scenes from all over the book, /lit/ shitposters invading

Maybe we should create a subreddit and start over there

>>6727852
OP got taken out by Les Assassins des Fauteuils Rollents. He's forever in a state of catatonic bliss.

>>6727973
We could just create a separate thread next Sunday? Is anyone else even following the schedule?

>>6727987
I'm following the schedule. Why do we need to do something else? Just keep talking about the scenes from the day and ignore the shitposters, I'm really enjoying rereading a little bit of this every day and want that to continue

>>6727992
We don't necessarily, just as long as people use spoiler tags. I think it was more that the original OP seems to have abandoned ship, leaving nobody to update the tumblr and help the people with the ebook version. I've updated this weeks schedule however (>>6723840)

>>6728002
Ebook readers could use this link to see if they've read the scenes for the day, just knowing to stop at the ending of the scene ending on the last page of the day

http://russillosm.com/ij.html#1

>>6720017
Ok from today's reading

1.) Were the tapes the thugs stole from the student significant?
2.) was the man without legs at the bar part of the Wheelie Sepratists?

>>6727987
I'm following the schedule

Wtf guys don't give up

>>6727973
I think you're a bitch nigga. Restart? Are you kidding? And your afraid of shitposters now lmao.
>>6727992
Same
>>6728002
>leaving nobody to update the tumblr
Oh no! We'll have to post on /lit/!

The project is fine. We have the reading schedule who cares about the tublr site. Stick to the schedule and enjoy the discussion.

>>6728071
Sure, no restart, but I still think reddit would work better for our little project.

A thread for each day according to schedule, second readers get their own threads too, those who miss a few days get to see what others discussed those days.

And we'll be very few so upvote/downvote/karma shit don't matter

>>6728015
Nice, whoever makes the next thread should add this link to the main comment.

>>6728063
Same here, hopefully there are some others left too!

>>6728071
I'm not advocating the use of tumblr, but it was more that it acted as the main reference with the schedule and corresponding sentences for ebook readers. We can just add this onto these threads though.

>>6728057
yrstruly says that guy in the bar is "legless on shots" meaning he's too drunk to stand, he isn't literally legless.

where are we reading today ~125 or ~140? I fell behind a day ;_;

anyone else notice Hal's speech about having everyone bond over a common activity takes place over a movie that is meant to totally draw in the viewer, put themselves in place of the character and absorb the message and movements? Sounds to me a bit like a commentary on the average american's after work habits...

>>6729578
Also in the yrstruly section I noticed something that also struck me watching south park: it's funny when academics can't properly nail down vernacular. DFW has yrstruly talkong about "employed the mop handle" and "located poor tony" in this mess of misspelled grammar trainwreck. Similarly, Stan and Kyle will often use overly proper sentence structure for 8 year olds who are about to comment something "sucks ass". I guess they (the writers) can't help it?

>>6729628
man i disagree about the yrstruly section. he just happens to be a character with both low- and high-brow elements of speech. Have you never met an eloquent person with terrible spelling, or a smart person who laughs at fart jokes?

>>6725833
OK, how about this. Mario captured Clipperton's suicide on film. Note 160 is an inventory of Himself's casket. Mario's film was placed in there. Hal and Gately are not digging up a master copy, They are digging up the anti-film antidote mentioned by Marathe, supra.

But somebody already got there and took the anti-film antidote before Hal, Gately, and Wayne.

TOO LATE CONTINENTAL EMERGENCY!

Guess who?

Read the book indeed, petersmooch.

So why is the Entertainment so entrancing? What is the content?

I'm at page 490 and Marathe and Steeply are having a conversation, and Steeply says that the Entertainment is a so captivating because it utilizes holograms to give the presence of a live stage play. But that explanation basically boils down to "LOL IT'S MAGIC." Or is holography used in film and I'm not aware of it?

>>6730589
i'm sorry i'm sorry i'm sorry i'm sorry i'm sorry i'm sorry i'm sorry i'm sorry i'm sorry i'm sorry i'm sorry...

>>6725822

>>6729379
Refer to >>6723840, Day 1 being last Sunday

>>6730589
If you've read 500 pages I would think you'd have learned by now DFW will probably explain it when he's damn good and ready. The ambiguity for the reader is mostly plot details, not, for the most part, particulars about the characters or objects in the world.

page ~650 and shit's really losing steam

how do I motivate myself to finish?

>>6723173
You first

Anyway what is this Infinite Jest business about anyhow?
Are you guys making the book up as part of an elaborate joke or did someone actually vomit their LSD fever dreams onto paper?

Fell behind a couple days... Student loans are wanting all my money now too. Gonna finish this book and an hero

>>6731365
why not try to make a movie so entertaining that it's lethal before you an hero

>>6731410

Wouldn't be such a bad way to go. Guess shitting your pants is a given when you die... Would have liked to avoid that

>>6731416
It's said though that the attache has infact shit his pants, I think.

But maybe putting your head in a microwave doesn't involve defecatory-related trouble.

>>6730589
It has to do with the content of the movie. And it relates to a major theme in the book.

What's the point of Steeply's report on the woman's stolen heart? I know that this is told from another perspective later on, but even then I don't know what it has to do with the story. Anyway, it does remind me a lot of Pynchon's living vs. inanimate trope.

Ahh shit and I just gave my copy away yesterday. To someone who will probably never read it.

>>6727398
>hey guys, I'm lazier than the rest of you!

>>6723173

He's not the racist biggot here. Also, thanks for the free bumps.

>>6731738
It's something that would typically be thought of as a joke but in the context of being written by DFW it's probably supposed to represent how breakdowns in communication can lead to tragedy (people didn't understand that she literally had her artificial heart stolen because of the idiomatic expression).

The rhythm of today's section was very different from the last couple days.

As soon as I started reading Hal's essay I remembered his conclusion, the hero of nonaction, which Wallace obviously wants to be emblematic of Infinite Jest

>>6731738
It's Poor Tony, dude

>>6732236
I know, but so what?

Is poor Tony the same dude as Roy Tony?

did today's reading end on 151 or 157? Sorry Google docs is not working on my phone.

Also that description of the black heroin addicts head practically exploding was the grossest thing I've read in a while.

today's pages were amusing. particularly the Workmen's Comp claim and article about the stolen heart. the last section blows my mind because it was written 10 years before webcams appeared in real life

>>6732428
151

>>6732473
Thank you friend

Also the workmans comp claim today was ridiculous

Like something out of a Roadrunner cartoon

>>6732449
>>6732484
Supposedly the workman's comp claim was some kind of Boston urban legend

I don't remember where I heard that

>>6732410
is your reading comprehension really this bad?
when Poor Tony is introduced in the yrstruly section, the group worries about a potential beef with Roy Tony and his 'Nigers'
How could they possibly be the same person?
also one is a black gangster and the other is a gay heroin addict.
You dumb.

>>6732523
I thought Tony was a Niger himself

>>6732428
Bobby C ain't black, he's a French-Canadian punk rocker

>>6732554
Oh, I assumed they were all "Nigers"

>>6732575
you really thought they were all black and yrstruly just happened to be racist and worried about other blacks? Damn, son... you stupid.

>>6732449
>the last section blows my mind because it was written 10 years before webcams appeared in real life

Agreed

Sent from my iphone :^)

I can't remember if this was the book, but..
Does anyone remember a passage about how a junky falls in love with every pretty girl he sees on the sidewalk and is already imagining fucking and spending their lives with them by the time they walk past them?

This conversation is going to last for hundreds of pages, isn't it.

>>6733184
Yeah it's a Gately thought passage later in the book.

>>6733219
hmm, okay thanks
before he gets shot, I assume?

>>6733191
Yep and it's fantastic

>>6726930
i do have a copy, faggot. why don't you actually discuss the book rather than shitposting up this thread

or, you know, maybe even read the fucking book so you know what people are trying to discuss rather than pointing out every minute point to you
>muh page numbers

>>6732550
i thought this too but Poor Tony and Roy Tony are different people, that much i got

p.s. poor Poor Tony

Time to catch up

>tfw you'll never fuck Poor Tony

>>6733511
>rather than pointing out every minute point to you

ESL your way through that sentence, Jose. Fight it. Wrestle it.

>>6733600
I always burn through books at the cottage. nothing better to do than spend the whole day reading

>>6733511
You mean like how Infinite Jest V is a shot of Joelle apologizing into the camera, saying "I'm sorry, I'm so sorry, I' so very sorry" and the lens of the special camera is a binocular stereo lens with occular wobble which imitates the milky and wobbling-head blurriness of a newborn infant, and that the rapturous conceit of IJ V is that it captures the cosmic mystery that you are born in this life from the woman who killed you in the previous one and that Joelle is the image of that perfect mother figure whose face, when combined with the p-terminal flood attained by the binocular lens wobble induces the catatonic ecstasy effect in people who view it because they break through to memories of their previous lives and realize the actual experience of death and mother-love and birth all at once at the experience overloads their p-terminals so thoroughly that they would eagerly cut off their fingers then toes, then arms and legs just to watch it again?

That kind of read the book?

Punk.

>>6732491
It's a joke that dates back to like the 1800's. I looked it up because I had encountered a variant before.

I can't find the comment asking why steeply wrote articles but its because "her" cover to get close to Orin is a journalist.
>>6733691
You sure chug camel dicks, anon. Way to be a complete fucking faggot because you got actually mad on the internet. Everyone is really glad you spoilered the book.

>>6733691
>because they break through to memories of their previous lives

That might be going too far. I understand that was sort of the intended effect, but DFW is not a new-ager pushing his strange theories on life and death. I think the actual effect of the tape is that it gives them a feeling of comfort like returning to the womb, to the mother, destroying themselves and the world with them. Coddled and pampered the way they want drugs and television and the show to do for them. It is a cashing out of life without death - pre-life? But I don't doubt there's credence to the way you say it too. I just read it differently I guess. I think DFW wants it to represent the same type of entertainment we find in America's passtimes.

pic maybe related

“...as [Lucien Atnitois] finally sheds his body's suit, finds his gut and throat again and newly whole, clean and unimpeded, free, catapulted home over fans and the Convexity's glass palisades at desperate speeds, soaring north, sounding a bell-clear and nearly maternal alarmed call-to-arms in all the world's well-known tongues.”

The problem, the deep problem, with this passage, is that it is completely free of irony, satire, or parody. This is DFW actually asking you to buy in to this.

>>6733697
You seem mad, anon. Gee.

>>6733793
Buy into what? A carcass being thrown by a catapult?

>>6733798
>d-d-don't call me bad words ;_;

I've already read the book. You're still a tactless fag.

>>6733793
>this passage
>not a humorous image of a corpse being flung into Quebec in a dumpster
o i am laffin

>>6733774
Simpsons did it! Simpsons did it!

Perfect anon. As well reduced as could be hoped.

>>6733816
Wow. Such mad. The rent I'm charging on the space you've given me in your head is in Euro. Btw. Did you know that the Clipperton suicide was captured by Mario on film, and was buried in Himself's casket, and is the antifilm antidote sought by AFR?

And is why they dug up himself?

And that [youtellmegenius] is the character who beat them to Himself's grave and got the antidote first?

There is no reason to believe that Himself's head exploded into bits. The heat and gas and liquid expansion would have blown out through the soft eye sockets and ear canals. The skull is the thickest bone per spherical surface area, and would have easily survived to be plucked up by Hal when he declared the CONTINENTAL EMERGENCY -- TOO LATE in the critical scene with Gately and John Wayne.

so troelscht is gay then, yeah?

>>6733844
>dogeposting
>keeps ruining the book for people who are not me or the initial guy who made him sperg out

somebody get this hothead outta here

Does anyone else feel in awe of DFW's intelligence while reading IJ? I'm not even memeing

>>6735451
Yes. Especially when you consider the plotting and story you are supposed to figure out. I was thinking about it running yesterday and how I could never begin to conceptualize something like thisz

Bain's mispronunciations remind me of Lolita so much. It was my favourite section of Lolita. I re-read it like fifteen times and laughed out loud averytim.

>>6720017
Aww shit nigga, I'm gonna have to catch up on this.

It was interesting to see the first intersection of addiction (alcohol) and tennis in today's reading

The focus on body as machine and dehumanization in the section vignette felt very much like it was conversing with Hal's essay on tv heroes

>>6733059
It's not out of the realm of possibility

>>6737740
pretty sure tony is black

>>6737757
cite any single piece of textual evidence that poor tony is black. Given the likelihood that Emil Minty is yrstruly (a guy with a tattoo that says "Fuck Nigers" ), why would he be hanging out and "crewing" with a black person?

"Tektitic"

we should be up to 169 today, yes?

>>6738292
Yep

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