/lit/ - Literature

>>6890517
>28.50

U WUT
U WUT M8

Well, is it well-written or not? Any excerpts?

>>6890517
Way too expensive for a book that hasn't already been reviewed to be good

>>6890524
she uses every big word she learned in AP Lit

>>6890532
>>6890519
but 1.49 off

>>6890519
I'm willing to bet she (or her parents) paid to have it self-published through an overpriced vanity press. No legitimate publisher would sell anything that isn't a textbook for that much.

You can Look Inside on Amazon. To no surprise it's bad.

Also to no surprise, it's self-published:
>CreateSpace Independent Publishing Platform

>>6890524

>>6890696
That's incredibly bad. Even by self-published standards.

Does it involve endless rape face down in a muddy trench? That's how such a thing would work out after all.

>>6890704
Not really. WWI trench warfare was brutal as fuck. She'd probably just get shot, gassed, or stabbed before anyone noticed she was a grill and tried to rape her.

>>6890704
Exactly. Imagine getting into the army without
> physical exams seeing the wide hips
> male strength
> visible male pectorals, instead having gynecomastic growths (breasts)
> male bone structure

i mean wtf. the only times this ruse would have been able to pass would be during the civil war or before. WWI and II were already too modern/organized for a girl to get away with crossdressing

>>6890724
You have to remember this was written by a retarded tumblrina "feminist" so there was absolutely no regard for historical accuracy.

>>6890696
>that prose

AAAAAAAA

>>6890716
I didn't mean by the enemy, m8.

>>6890748
Well if you want to be realistic in that scenario she probably wouldn't even get to the trenches and the rape would take place at whatever military base she tried to pass herself off as a man at. Then she'd most likely get a slap on the ass and be sent back home.

>>6890696

>>6890748
>>6890764
Now that's a story I'd read.

>>6890517

Something inside of me wants to buy 10 copies and imagine the glow on her eyes as she gets emailed by the publisher telling her its flying off the "shelves". As she looks forward to her bright career i'll find her address and ship all said 10 copies of book i bought with cum in all the pages of each of them with a note saying please call me with my number on it.

>>6890764
A bit of poetic license is allowed I think, I want it to happen in the heavy rain in the trenches during incoming mortar fire that drowns out her screams.

>>6890769
>>6890696
I can't believe someone managed to cram so many clichés in so few lines.

also
> tfw when the author wasted an okay premise by executing it horribly
Although of course it would still have been fanciful, the story could have worked. It's just that the writing right now is shit.

OUTLINE
I. Home life in Connecticut
A. Introspection
1. exposition via 1st person reflection about her life
2. Then, talking about historical events leading up to her taking the job
a. eg the sinking of the Lusitania, animosity towards Germans, anti-war efforts
- how those factors affected her domestic life, or didn't
3. The events in her early life surrounding the aforementioned war occurrences
B. Narrative -- Job as a model
1. Conflict leading the protagonist to take the job
2. Conflict between her and the artist, within herself, and in greater society
3. Catalyzing event makes her want to join the military
a. I'm guessing she would have to run away because everyone in her small town would recognize her

...and after that, I don't know. I think the story would be ok, though, if it followed those guidelines without the prose being too cliched.

>>6890716
you need to read Storms of Steel, life in the front line was incredibly comfy until you got shot or burned alive in your trench. soldiers would read the newspaper while having coffee in the morning and captains would visit each other for drinks during bombings. even more the first few years before they started just throwing gasoline in the trenches, they had individual rooms if they took the time to dig them and even beds and desks.

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>>6890724
it depends. if it was a really bad point, mainly for germany, they would take female soldiers just to have enough people in there. it was normal that women and children would protect their towns and if some showed potential they would be recluted, usually to send messages or use the radio or general secretary things, but they would be there.

>>6890790
It could be a more modern Rose of Versailles.

>>6890790
You sound like a good writer
Are you?

>>6890816
Maybe. Am I?

>>6890517
>Americans
>in World War One
Kekkerino

>>6890517
>American woman
>World War 1

Would it really have been that hard to write her as a Canadian? British? Australian or New Zealander?

I mean, it's well known that Turkish and Russian women disguised themselves and fought in the war. It's likely there would have been female soldiers, as well as young boys, at some of the most important battles on the Eastern Front and Middle Eastern theatre.

Although, I assume she probably isn't knowledgeable enough about the war to write characters from those perspectives. I imagine writing another anglophone would have been easier however.

The US entered the war late enough that their manin contributions were political and economic, not militaristic. The amount of American combat casualties, out of a population of 90 million at the time, is less than the Australian casualties or thr Canadian casualties, both of which had populations under 8 million.

>>6890517
>28 fucking dollars

what is this shit

>>6890790
Yeah this sort of political realist novel writes itself.

>>6890517
>the Great War of the nations
>the Great War of women
>the Great War existing within herself

You can't make this shit up.

>Having to overcome misogyny, gender stereotypes and the social expectation in which she defies, Violet's story is one of empowerment, learning and growth.

Apparently misogyny and gender stereotypes are more of a challenge than trench warfare, shell shock or being surrounded by death.

Like, shit, does she think her writing is profound? Does she believe she is breaking new ground or changing the landscape of stories about women?

Does she really believe gender discourse is so important that it predominates everything she writes regardless of the setting or 'universality' of the experiences. If you're writing a story about a soldier in WW1, why is there gender more important than the war they are living?

>>6890920
it appears so

>>6890920
>tfw she would get found out pretty early and somebody would rape the shit out of her

>>6890524
>>6890696
>>6890769
>>6890803
So yeah... the answer is 'no'

>>6890798
Yeah, it was swell, unless the trench flooded or the rats got out of hand or it was freezing cold or you couldn't tolerate the lice or the constant roar of shelling or the smell of your comrades bodies rotting a few feet away in no man's land. 10/10 war, would enlist.

>>6890920
The fuck do you expect from a shitty ripoff of that GI Jane movie
Btw was GI Jane any good? Has ti be better than this right?
Captcha: select all images with Sandwiches

>>6890988
Yeah. See the whole reason the soldiers were trying to achieve that level of comfort & events like the Xmas Truce was to make all the anguish tolerable.

>>6890798
> He thinks the Entente had fortifications like the Germans

Bruh, did you go to high school?

>>6890517
THIRTY BUCKS?

http://www.online-instagram.com/media/1027195041608823471_289707235

The author looks fine af
and she's 17
hmm...

>>6890769
I can't believe this retard would make WWI about oppressed minorities and "plight of women". You can't make this shit up.

>>6891107
Anon you have some low standards
>BUT SHE GOT BIG TITTIES

>>6891107
Pleasantly plump, I suppose.

>>6890903
>>6890920
It's like she's approaching it as some coming-of-age movie set in small-town America; the plucky tomboy who stands up to preteen prejudice and ends up winning the big game with her moxie.

>Hey! She can't join! Girls can't play baseball!
>Just watch me, butt-breath!
>Ooooooooooooh!

This lack of seriousness and depth in a women-in-war novel is more scandalizing than any exploration of gender stereotypes in the Edwardian era. There is so much you could do with this kind of story, even if your writing was subpar, but she manages to turn out something so obliviously hokey and insipid and insulting (to women in particular).

>>6891158
This is what bothers me about it the most. She should have written about baseball, it wouldn't be so insulting.

She reminds me of a girl I knew who complained that there weren't enough women in Saving Private Ryan.

>>6891189
Why do they even care? Are they implying they can't identify with the characters unless they share gender?

>>6891121
It's not surprising. The Remembrance Day ceremony of my school was only about a an hour and a half long, but half an hour was about Chinese and Native soldiers, and another half hour about "the suffering of nurses"
Ugh

>>6890832
I think you might be, yes.

>>6890696
>>6890769
>>6890803
wow lol

>>6890769
This hurts tbh

>>6890774
When she finally gets bullied out of the Internet due to /lit/'s harassment like that innocent booktuber girl did, this post will be among the screenshot depicting the events.

>>6891235
never forget

>>6891235
That innocent booktuber did nothing wrong. This girl, on the contrary, wrote an atrocious book. I'm okay with letting her know. She's probably an obnoxious feminist anyway.

>>6890769
>She would always stop here, close her shining blue eyes, washed many times with tears. They gleamed like crystal glass, beautiful and breakable; and anyone who watched her swore they saw something of themselves reflected in those eyes.


This is problematic for several obvious reasons.

>>6891123
>dat block face

>>6891290
Especially because all eyes reflect things.

>>6891315
Not when they are closed.

Lads, link me to the website pls.

>>6890769

>such is true with the ones who dare to tell stories of truth

>>6890920
>Does she really believe gender discourse is so important that it predominates everything she writes regardless of the setting or 'universality' of the experiences.
Yes. Some people are sincere when they say "patriarchy is the root of all evil."

>>6890517
>my school
Not a university, surely? She's not university age...r-right?

>>6891107

17? Well that explains alot.

When will women realize that anti-gender-roles is just another choice, and being bullied into symbolically being against gender roles is just as misogynistic as the gender roles themselves?

>>6890808
The problem is that all servicemen was supposed to undergo medical exams and get rid of lice and shit - so unlike the 18th century you couldn't keep yourself hidden for long.

>>6890798
Maybe you should read "All quiet on the Western Front?"

>>6890808
would read tbh

>>6891506
Oscar was known to be a woman and still inexplicably allowed to hold the positions she did.

>>6890696
How would you fix this, /lit/?

>>6891522
With fire.

>>6890696

>>6891522
I'd start by cutting out the entire first paragraph.
I think with some editing, the beginning of the second could be pretty good.

>>6891506
I wouldn't be so quick to trust All Quiet. It's w good book, but the author didn't really have much in the way of trench experience. Remarque was only in the trenches for a month, while Jünger, (who wrote Storm of Steel) showed up early on, and was there for the very worst of the war.

I've heard Jünger thought Remarque was a massive pussy

Oh my god, guise. We have to raid this.

>>6891568
I'm busy raiding ur mum tbh.

>>6891568
You go on ahead Anon, we'll be right behind you.

>>6891583
Dammit. I created an account but it won't let me post unless I buy something. Somebody give me 99 cents so I can put a hurting on this shit before it spreads

>>6891522
>>6891548
in the vein of, "Who gives a fuck about Margerie?"

>Tragedies of disposable heroes were told to small children like ghost stories, of the pride that had bled the world, of The Great War that was surely the beginning of the end.

>>6891406
>radfem

She got indoctrinated into believe she's choosing to be radfem.

>>6891543

dude
why'd you need a man to draw your cover

Guise, I can't sign in. Somebody post this review I just wrote:

Once in a great while a book should come along that inspires us to be more than we think we can be. And when we find that story, it fills us with enough hope and strength to make us feel like we can do anything.

This is not that book.

Nope, this my friends is weapons grade autism hashed out by a middle class fat girl who spends too much time on tumblr. God help us when young white girls think they're privileged enough to think that they can rewrite the history of the wow led to suit their whims when it comes across and gender-centric chest beating with nothing behind it. This book is a travesty my friends. It irrefutably points out in bold print and terrible grammar how we as a society are failing our young and our women by allowing this fallacy of literature to exist. The author has no idea what she's doing and even while drowning in the sea of YA garbage that is the createspace kindle catalog, bargain basement pseudo feminist fiction like this should have its head shoved beneath the waves until it stops breathing altogether.

Sour times have come to visit my brothers and sisters and we as responsible lovers and supporters of quality literature must make a stand against this pornographic trespass against the art we hold dear.

McAllister: War of Women shouldn't be purchased, it should be studied. It should be examined and discarded like the afterbirth of a mentally challenged child who failed to grow to term.

The story is lackluster and amateurish even for the mentally underdeveloped, the prose is incoherent and for a time that revels in the superiority of women being able to do everything, the books cover is illustrated by, of all things, a man.

I weep for the deluded individuals who thought this venture into the written word was a well conceived one. Burning is too good for them. Hanging is too good for them. They should be cut in tiny pieces and buried alive as an example of what decent, well read individuals are not prepared to have in their communities of literature.

Check em.

>>6891657
What are you doing with your life you fool

>>6891663
Fukkin yo mama, ham face

>>6891657
>writing a review for a book you haven't even read

>>6891670
I read the sample.

>>6891671
The rest of it might be really good.

>>6891543
she looks like a nice teen

If she was my daughter I help her with her shit.
I know that she will be lesbian in a future, but better than a lesbian that hates me.

>>6891671
pathetic

>>6891675
>The rest of it might be really good.
lel

>>6891679
Agreed. That sample is pathetic.

Kek.

Somebody post it

>>6891562
In a biography I've read recently it's stated that Remarque didn't even see any actual combat and in fact lied about it.
Jünger also thought him ridiculous for spelling his name Remarque to sound more literary.

>>6890517
nah

>>6891657
Topkek

>>6890517
as bad as it is it has more direction and structure than anything i ever wrote when i was 17, let alone now

i can barely finish a poem

>>6891682
You found away to embarrass yourself while everyone was laughing at someone else.

>>6891710
Give me your formiroli

>>6891657
This seems like it would be more at home on /b/; that being said I sensibly chuckled.

Not your personal army.

Welcome to the Internet. Please stand by as terrible people prepare to wipe their dicks on your dreams.

>>6891107
Well that was fast. Here we go again, I guess

>>6891757
>Here we
D'oh, nvm, she did give her name as the author in the OP

>>6890790
this is barely an extrapolation of the summary. there isn't even any indication that all those things don't happen in the book. basically your insight is "prose should be better".

how about you write out how the rest of the book should go

>>6890769
I read the first one but had to stop a couple of lines into this. The prose is so harsh to read. Fuck the content, I can't even get far enough for her to say something stupid.

>>6891158
>>6890920
>>6891158
>>6891180
Feminists are jouvenile idiots who have no grasp of history, any time period more than 30 years ago is "back when women weer oppressed and hated by all men".

>>6891107
>Virgo
>Everyone's favorite lesbian literature enthusiast

>>6891158
>>Hey! She can't join! Girls can't play baseball!
>>Just watch me, butt-breath!
>>Ooooooooooooh!
Lold

>>6890920
>Apparently misogyny and gender stereotypes are more of a challenge than trench warfare -anon 2015

I want to get this printed on a shirt.

>>6890769

"...averted toward the little bit of natural light shining through the opaque glass."

>>6891657
>The author has no idea what she's doing and even while drowning in the sea of YA garbage that is the createspace kindle catalog
Kek

>>6891123
She's fucking disgusting.

Her friend tho

>>6891699
Wait wait wat

So his name was actually Remarch???

>>6891836
Remark, yes.

>>6891842
Lols, can't argue with Jünger then

>>6891699
Surprise surprise, good literature is well-written lies; good writers are good liars. Remarque wasn't a historian.

>>6890517
ITT: Ressentiment

>>6891699
Very interesting, thank you. What biography was that?

>>6891852
He pretended that his account was heavily based on actual war experience, though, for most of his life - hence Jünger's dislike.

>>6891870
"Als wäre alles das letzte Mal", by von Sternburg. I'd wholeheartedly recommend it - it's mostly a positive account of his life (and rightly so) but doesn't shy away from the darker sides, either.

>>6891345

>>6891880
Thanks so much, appreciate it. Hopefully my German is proficient enough

>>6891871
I'm not doubting what you're saying, but I am curious: how was he wounded during the war?

>>6891824
>Being this picky

>>6891894
>hambeast with no standards detected

>>6891886
No problem at all, my pleasure.
No idea if there's a translated version.

>>6891890
To quote:
>Es ist nicht ganz klar, wie schwer Remarque tatsächlich verwundet ist. Middendorf hält die "Verletzungen nicht für schwer". Remarque selbst schreibt am Tag nach seiner Verwundung an den Freund: "Ich habe fast nichts abgekriegt, ganz leichte Verwundungen, keine Schmerzen."

From what I know it was shrapnel wounds, peripheral. "Didn't hit me much at all, very little wounding, no pain." he writes.

>>6890696
Jesus Christ

>>6891676
She already is a lesbian

>>6891290
>problematic

please.. please don't use that word

>>6891910
well, kids are fast in these days

>>6891987
Well, when you're too fat for boys to be interested....

>>6891657
Pretty damn autistic, but don't let that stop you. Get someone less retarded to edit it for you, though, it's a fucking mess.

>>6891657
You may enjoy writing, but please don't quit your day job.

girls r dum

>>6890988
the big trenches were dropped because it was really easy to be burned alive in your sleep and they found out after it happened a few times, many died of stray bullets every week and some sectors were under constant fire while others were pretty calm. Still, rats and noise and smells and mice weren't that big of an issue just because death was so present. Metalized that you were gonna lose your legs any day and that would be the best scenario, a little bit of froze bite was a nice reminder that you still had them.

>>6892256
Well that one probably is.

>>6891087
I didn't check the novel in OP so I didn't know it was an american soldier.

>>6891517
>inexplicably
her father was the big boss and she was friends with the royalty, that's how you get promotions and protection.

>>6892010
some guys like fat, some girls do too, most of both aren't too keen to that. even butch girls can be fit or just generally manly, not fat.

>>6890517
tbh

>>6891699
>Jünger also thought him ridiculous for spelling his name Remarque to sound more literary.
>Jünger also went to a couple of nazi reunions before the take over and didn't like them, so he kept rejecting Goebel's personal invitations.
>He went on to write fantasy novels and short stories
based Jünger

>>6892312
Jünger was so based. I occasionally read the first few paragraphs of In Stahlgewittern because it gives me goosebumps. Dat pathos, goddamn.

>>6892312
>>6892323
He really was on some strange other level, when you read his Wikipedia you get the idea that that shouldn't be a single lifetime.

>>6891880
Hey, in SoS Jünger mentions at a point a similar non fiction book, another diary in the front lines, by a French author. Similar middle ground position, maybe a captain or something, and eventually he gets so crazy that he stands in the middle of the enemy fire convinced that nothing will touch him. Do you have any idea what book it was?

>>6892389
Definitely. A great man.

>>6892391
Maurice Genevoix maybe? He wrote a war diary too, published during the war and actually fought in some of the same battles Jünger did.
Only one that comes to mind, sorry.

>>6892414
Forgot to say, his war diary is called Sous Verdun ("Underneath/Beneath Verdun")

>>6892414
Since Jünger mentions it in SoS I think it's an older book, I'm sure that he didn't mention which particular war since I'd remember that and search from there, but it has to be something either from the very begining of WWI or older.

I'll check that one too, though.

>>6892442
Well, depending on which edition of In Stahlgewittern you read, he might mention books written in the war. He's edited, and had it edited (or even had to edit) it several times during his career, removing some of the gorey parts or the "nationalist" parts which were seen as pro-nazi after the war.
Not sure which edition is most commonly translated to English but I'd definitely recommend the 'pristine' edition if available to anyone interested in Jünger.

>>6892304
>le clever woman tricks a bunch of dumb men into treating her like royalty

Typical feminist delusions. 99.99% of women, with no amount of opportunity or equality, will ever do anything half as interesting or meaningful as Mulan.

Also "le dumb men" memes need to die.

>>6892312
>>6892323
>>6892389
>tfw you find out that he had to bury his two sons, one who died in WWII and one who committed suicide

>>6892479
Jesus Christus I can't imagine how hard that must be.

>>6892467
I have the last edition he made, the translator made a nice argument about how those posterior decisions were also made by the writer so it's better to respect them. They compensate adding some other texts that were taken out of SoS and published as autonomous stuff (one about him joining and a particular situation in a small forest) so it's a decent edition for what it is.

I'll try to find it again, but it read as something that he was thinking at the moment. For what I read he took out stuff but didn't actually add too much new stuff later on.

>>6892479
and while he got shot tons of time his brother was taken down on the first month of serving, he lost a lung or something like that.
he was cursed to be a silent survivor
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gQ76IGR2QnY

>>6892504
Yes, you are right about that.
Now that I'm thinking about it, maybe that wasn't even from In Stahlgewittern. I have his collected works and the part I was talking about could've easily been from Strahlungen. Sorry for the confusion.

>>6892528
Also if there's any German-speaking Anons here, I found this to be a great read about Jünger.
http://www.docdroid.net/qB8smQ6/tmp-12135-blumenberg-hans-ernst-jnger-der-mann-vom-mond-1740065850.pdf.html

>>6892477
Yeah, except Mulan is an actual Chinese legend. It's not like a bunch of SJWs invented it, so I don't see your point in shitting on it.

>>6891657
You know retarded shit like this just makes people like her more, right?

>>6892571
I'm not shitting on Mulan, I'm shitting on feminists for being nobodies.

I like how this thread went from shitting on teenagers to discussing Jünger.

>>6892631

It's actually the absolute worst thing you can do, give validation to their attempts to claim victim status. And yes, honest criticism is equivalent to a personal attack to most of these people, even when they're not laced with threats of violence.

>>6892664
He's one of the most read war biographers so it was an easy jump. It was him or maybe the more internet oriented people bringing up The War Nerd. Maybe we could had talked about the YPJ.

>>6892711
What's the War Nerd?

>>6890542
I'm willing to bet this bitch is retarded.

>>6892727
A guy that does articles for Pando and used to write for an russian edgy magazine before the government shot it down. He's pretty good when it comes to human conditions and he knows a lot of history bu the /k/ crowd dislikes him because he knows very little about modern weapons and likes to shit on weapon buffs since in a real military situation crap like the AK or anything that can kill a person is still useful and makes a difference no matter its aquracy, rate of fire and other stats.
I'd really recommend his historical pieces, but keep in mind that some times he intentionally leaves stuff out to get an angry reaction and then complete it in another article.

>>6892747
Okaay, sounds interesting, thanks.

>the craft of motherhood
>Having to overcome...the social expectations in which she defies

>>6891862
just say resentment you pompous ass

>>6891657
>They should be cut in tiny pieces and buried alive
How exactly do you plan on keeping people alive after being cut in little pieces?

>>6892775
Different meaning, my plebeian friend.

>>6892654
who the fuck are you, nigger

>>6892666
That's how Sarkeesian got big

>>6891657

stop talking about Jünger and talk about the fucking book you autistic fooks

>>6891261
Now you guys have gotten me really scared because I want to be a writer but I'm a girl and I don't want people from 4chan spamming me... I mean I don't want to write stupid shit like this but that booktuber girl didn't do anything... :(

>>6892920
she didn't do anything right either. just write good stuff and as long as you're proud of your work it won't matter.

>>6892907
But we're talking about Jüngers books Anon.

>>6892920
Just don't write about how hard being a girl is.

>>6892920
She was guilty of being a dumb cunt.

>>6892920
Suck it up, buttercup. You're going to be criticized no matter what you do and you're not going to get sympathy out of the fact you're a grill. Just try your best.

>>6892940
>Just don't write about how hard being a girl is.
Nah, I'm not gonna do that. I like to play with gender a little as a theme but I would never write a book ABOUT gender.

>>6892960
It's not criticism I am scared of I just don't want to be sent pictures of piss bottles or digging through all my social media accounts or something... but I guess there's not too much to worry about, they are mostly private...

>>6892920
If you write well, you'll survive the wrath of /lit/. See Oxford Girl versus Katie: the former was able to take the NEET-comments in stride, and for this and patrish taste, earned the respect of a lot of e/lit/ists.

>>6891562
Moar war memoirs.

>>6893007
You mean earned the respect of neet virgins because she looks like a boy and neckbeards dig that.

>>6893000
>I just don't want to be sent pictures of piss bottles
what are you some kind of of freak?

>>6893007
I would put my penis inside this person