/lit/ - Literature

>>7132736
REEEEEEEEEEEEEE

>>7132736
/lit/ - literature

>>7132736
Post more pics of gf

>>7132736
The only thing lost in such a scenario would be, possibly (probably?) the arts -- I do not know if the arts are worth losing. Soon we will know, because the collapse is coming. The acceleration has taken its toll, and we will see what we have wrought.

>>7132736
If you want to know how all leftists are 'mentally ill' and there's a Jewish conspiracy

>>>/pol/

If you want to hear from actual Marxists:

>>>/leftypol/

This is literature and not related

>>7132751
lol

>>7132736
I live in a pretty idyllic town in New England. The proletariat here are too busy shooting up heroin and abusing their children to start a union or get out onto the streets to march for social change, or even to brush their teeth. And violent rebellion would be quickly ended by the live free or die ar-15 crowd.

The only way would literally be a Captain Tripps type virus that wipes out the entire world except for a small socialist enclave, and even then some guy would rise to power and the wheel of time would start all over again in tribalism.

There is no ideology so bankrupt in this world as yours.

>>7132736
1. it could physically liquidate them
2. by operating the existing means of production under workers' control
3. fuck off idealist scum
4. fuck off idealist scum
5. read about Hungary and Czechoslovakia

>>7132764
>>7132767
Why assume i'm a marxist? I'm just momentarily interested, that's all.

Pic unrelated, it's my lover

>>7132787
How did you get pics of my mom?

>>7132787
I didn't assume you're a marxist. I assumed you're mired in bourgeois idealist ideology because you posit a utopian future. Read Engel's Socialism: Utopian and Scientific, available for free on marxists.org. it is a short document, skip the introductions.

Marxism, and the proletarian techniques of self-emancipation, are not idealist. Idealism is a by-product of the actual praxes of resistance to capitalism. The central issue is: how do techniques of solidarity, love and communisation reproduce themselves in an expanded form, and what are the relations between workers reproducing them in an expanded form. What is the composition of the proletariat?

>>7132759
There was a great period of support for the arts for a short while under Lenin. It's a shame it didn't last because Russia was on the cutting edge at that time

>>7132794
Since you sound familiar with marxist literature, Is it worth to read The Capital? Assuming i have a big test in a couple of months and should not be reading such extensive work. It has relevant points to our current capitalistic society? If it's that good i will read it

Pic unrelated, hit that yesterday

>>7132831
Here's your Marxist reading guide:

Theses on Feuerbach
Socialism: Utopian & Scientific
Wages Price and Profit
Critique of the Gotha Programme

You should only read capital after that it Wages Price and Profit doesn't explain everything you want to know. And read "Contribution to a critique of political economy" before Capital.

>>7132831
You could also read Mandel's Late Capitalism to get a summary of Marx's capital in the modern era

>>7132845
>Socialism: Utopian & Scientific
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>>7132857
Given that OP isn't read for a discussion of communisation and praxis, what do you suggest I offer them to defeat their anti-historical-materialist perspective?

>>7132878
ehm, maybe some actual history!?!? that's not grounded in mysticism and irrationality?!??!?!?!
maybe something that REAL and not just someything your muh feels want to be true because you need to believe in a God!??!?!??!?!

>>7132736
>Tell me a realistic way the bourgeoisie could destroy the warrior-nobility and clergy and still have a decent society afterwards. What rules and values this said society would have?
We'd be fine without them, I promise you.
#endthecastesystem

>>7132926
>!?!?
>>7132926
>?!??!?!?!
>>7132926
>!??!?!??!?!

I suggested the minutes of the workers councils of Hungary and Czechoslovakia to begin with. What's your opinion on the CWCGB's use of the Lawyers' WC to work on a constitution for the CWC for a dual power period?

>>7132970
i think it's psedo-bullshit for leftist princesses

>>7132932
+1

>>7132767
>implying Stalin was wrong

Just how socially acceptable would have been having a patrician elitist kind of mind set back in Soviet Russia, before WW2?

Pic unrelated, she was just thinking of me.

>>7132979
So the actual history of proletarians doing precisely what OP suggested is psedo[sic]-bullshit.

I think you're stuck behind a god m89.

>>7132992
Not implying, directly stating. Also, I think you meant Khrushchev, the anti-party block, and Brezhnev tbh.

>>7132998
>a patrician elitist kind of mind set
This isn't a thing.

The attitude towards art during high stalinism was an aping of the forms of 19th century bourgeois culture, and the injection of trivial political content into them.

Read Sheila Fitzpatrick for fuck's sake.

>>7132998
Well, before WW2 Stalin was liquidating every soviet citizen who didn't follow is own special snowflake version of Leninism and if you acted like a member an intellectual in anyway, you'd be beaten up and left to freeze to death in Siberia.

>>7133020
>Read Sheila Fitzpatrick for fuck's sake.
Yeah, I need to do some research for a short story I thought of last night.

>>7132998
Well, before WW2 Stalin was liquidating every soviet citizen who didn't follow is own special snowflake version of Leninism and if you acted like an intellectual in anyway, you'd be beaten up and left to freeze to death in Siberia.

>>7133039
>if you acted like an intellectual in anyway, you'd be beaten up and left to freeze to death in Siberia.
this was the impression I have from some fiction I read, and is well in the tradition of the Czars. So, what about the Stalinist intellectuals? That's the period I'm interested in.

>>7132759
>possibly (probably?) the arts

Sorry, but you have no idea what you're talking about. Art will always persist..

>>7133166
Koestler, Darkness at Noon.
Fitzpatrick

>>7133176
I would hope so, but the arts as we know them today (massively reproduced books, music, and films) might not be able to survive. Of course, they will still exist in some form, but I personally would not want to lose the proliferation and availability that is offered to us by the current systems of production and commerce.

>>7133039
>all this prop

>>7132932
>implying this is much better than feudalism
All there is is more tech, money, and something called freedom. And only the last thing is due to the revolutions.

>>7132736
>Pic unrelated, its just my gf, you know, the thing you guys could never get