/lit/ - Literature

Hormones.

Because teenagers lack in the ability to see pass their own lives.

Too dumb to see past the bigger picture.

rellebius

>>8623903
children are taught BS. teenagers stop buying it. that leaves them believing in nothing.

>>8623921
>>8623922
>>8623938
>>8623959
/thread

>>8623964
Simple and elegant

because they have been told there is meaning to life, realized there isn't, and have yet to try to make meaning themselves

>>8623964
>IT'S NOT A PHASE, MOM!!!

>>8623921
>>8623922
>>8623938
>>8623959
>>8623964
>>8623970
>>8623996
>>8624018
>>8624026
Would you guys agree that the remedy for this ought to be instilling redpilled beliefs in kids from a young age (similar to those you find on /pol/ and /r9k/)?

>>8624036
the redpill is bullshit too. It's just a view that lets people feel superior to others

>>8624036
why is the redpill so popular with teenagers

>>8624036
No, everyone should be given a copy of Der Einzige und sein Eigenthum at age five

>>8624036
the redpill is for idiotic losers who want to feel superior. so yes it's a remedy for idiotic losers who can't figure out any other way to feel better about themselves.

>>8624036
>let's help do away with teenage angst by instilling in our youth literally the most destructive form of teenage angst

>>8624046
>>8624049
>>8624053
>>8624063
>>8624069
What's it like being a numale?

>>8624069
>literally

>>8624075
What's it like being 15?

>>8624079
Yes, as in you are
>literally
a waste of oxygen

>>8624082
Guess you'll find out in a couple of years.

>>8624075
you realize you're literally a robot. you're just regurgitating what a bunch of autistic losers told you to say when challenged. all you are is a scared bitch who's too much of a pussy to live your life and develop an identity of your own.

>>8624108
>literally

>>8624117
>i'm a fucking retard who can't argue without phrasing from someone else so i'm gonna quote a word like it means something
sad

>>8623903
The psychological difficulties and major shifts in awareness and view of the wider world, caused by the transition from childhood to adulthood.

>>8624075
Rather then prove him wrong, you went the straw man route and resorted to name-calling, proving to us that you don't have a solid opinion, and are just regurgitating what some retard on /pol/ told you.

>>8624097
So you're 12?

>>8624251
Are you dumb or something

>>8624046
>people who subscribe to the redpill do so to feel superior
>the redpill is bullshit

>>8623903

Nihilism is an immature view, so obviously.

Teenagers are like sponges. They pick up and reflect whatever negativity or positivity is around them. It's part of their need to become socially adjusted.

It just so happens we have a culture, especially on the Internet, where negativity is waxing high. It also happens that there's a shit ton of teenagers on the Internet.

Teenagers aren't completely dumb. They can pick up, quite sensitively, the things that are going wrong around them.

>>8623903

>>8624518
"Self aware" teenager detected.

>>8623903
Because they're in the first phase of finding meaning

>>8623903
>why is nihilism so popular with teenagers?
because its easy.

Stop making this thread every day

>>8624036
Yeah some healthy red pills and soma will fix it

>>8624093
That's pretty cool.

I always figured red pill "theory" was about creating an identity for sexually and emotionally immature men based on masculine ideals.
Am I wrong?

>>8624472
Not dumb, but I am something

>>8624117

Yes, literally, as opposed to figuratively. This shouldn't be so hard to understand.

>>8623964
>>8624018
These are the real reasons. Adults lie to their children, and once they see through the lies they're left with nothing.

>>8623903

Conscious nihilism isn't popular with teenagers. If you gave the average teenager a philosophical definition of nihilism, they'd probably look at you with a stupid look on their face.

What IS popular with teenagers the simplest version of bohemianism you can imagine. The modern world has taken Aurelius' "Eat drink and be merry" quip, combined it with a pinch of Mathew 6:34, to create the most autistic dead-end worldview (or lack thereof) possible.

What you really have is a lack of understanding and care for any philosophy whatsoever.
Pinning the nihilism badge on someone because they simply don't care is you deciding that's their educated decision.

>>8625751
>Aurelius' "Eat drink and be merry"
i believe it's ecclesiastes 8:15
also carpe diem is rather epicureanism than stoicism and aurelius was a stoic...

>>8625758
I bet you couldn't write a more confusing post than that if you tried

>>8625767
Found the dullard

>>8625705
>>8624131
Sure is reddit in here.

>>8623903
Because when you're a teenager you're in the age in which you can do grown-up things to feel like an adult and yet avoid most of the responsibilites than come with adulthood because you're just a kid. It is not strange that a teenager would thus endorse a nihilist world-view; doing so he would feel his doings justified by someone else, which is needed for most people in order to be "rebels" (this is, be part of a group), and he would feel better since his lifestyle is not simply animalistic but philosophical.

>>8624079
It's them. I never thought I would ever know anything about them.

>>8623903
it isn't

I'd venture for a couple of reasons:

1) for the vast majority this is the first time in their lives they have seriously encountered or thought of these questions, nihilism for them is a be all end all answer that doesn't require intense introspection / study / thought.
2) The transition into adulthood often involves leaving behind old friends, hobbies, ideologies and pasts, as well as engaging in plentiful recreational activity and narcotics. Nihilism is very seducing to someone who has not yet formed long lasting values.
>>8624036
>>8624075
I have never met someone "redpilled" who wasn't an autist and social pariah lmao, redpill is just another loser ideology, stay cucked fuccboi

>>8623903
This phenomenom is not exclusive to nihilism. A million things are popular with teenagers. Teenagers will form lots of interests that they also drop in no time. For adults they have become established. Teenagers' tastes change very quickly, so over the course of puberty you will have liked a lot of different things.

Nihilism is right.
Prove me wrong.

>>8626548
Which kind of nihilism?

25 but I'm still a nihilistic teenager. Please send me to the right literatures to fix myself.

>>8626582
What do you mean nihilistic teenager?

>>8626588
This kind.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dU3f_BMttkA

>>8624018
>make meaning
Nice meme. If you looked at the definition of meaning, you'd realize how absurd that is.

>>8626598
Did a 13 year old linkin park fan write this?

>>8626604
>Implying it's not a noble concept in creating meaning for your existence when it's inherently irrational and lacks one

>>8626612
I don't think you understand what I'm saying. Why do you think people want meaning?

>>8626598
The Kybalion.

>>8626598
People are complicated. You see others as idiots bumbling through life without a second thought and, yet, you excuse your own behavior constantly. You see the vast labyrinth within your mind but fail to see it in others. Be more forgiving and understanding of others.

If your problem is more about the god part then I don't know what to tell you. I find no reason to believe in God, personally, and I agree with a lot of what that character says but it's too self-important to spout in front of an audience of broken people who have nothing but God to turn to.

Also, the show creators know this and don't reward the character for behaving in the manner that he did.

>>8626588
I'm actually the guy you replied to.

My nihilism is less than the Mr Robot clip. I suppose I have solipsistic behavior. I'm existential and an optimist but I don't really give a fuck about things, people, causes, outside of my range of perception (not literally) and my range of concerns.

cuz we gay nigga

>>8626560
Are there that many kinds of nihilism?
I believe there is no God or an afterlife.
So everything we do in this life will essentially be for nothing, since we'll all going to die some day. Our "good" deeds will not be rewarded, nor our "bad" deeds will be punished once we are dead. Also I don't think an individual has much effect on the whole wide world.

>>8626720
>since we'll all going to die some day.
Just so you know, this is belief is not compatible with materialism. You are assuming the existence of a nonreal "identity" that show appears from nothing and disappears into nothing.

So you might want to fix your cognitive dissonance before you one day try to take place in an argument and make a fool of yourself.

>>8626759
I don't understand what you are saying. Formulate a correct English sentence first.

>>8626649
I behaved like that dude when I was 12. Thankfully, I grew out of it at 13. I shudder to think someone resonates with that past his teenage years. Must've been a retard that never once thought about anything until he was in the real world, which indicates that he's just doomed to be a retard in life.

>>8626785
You believe in souls.

>>8626649
How to spot a pseud: They cannot talk about their own beliefs without bashing others, very commonly associating them as some unintellectual "sheeplike" people that do it out of delusion. That show was made for dumb people that think they're smart like you.

I'm an 18 year old nihilist, red pill me

>>8626759
How is the concept of mortality not compatible with materialism?

>>8626649
One of the major problems, it's the basic problem of evil which is >thousand years old and has been responded to throughout then and now. It's also written in a manner you'd expect from a user in /r/atheism but who'd be mocked by kin ala the professional quote maker.

>>8626801
Because it assigns immaterial qualities to humans.

You know, I'm yet to meet someone who claims to be a nhilist that actually logically follows nhilist beliefs.

>>8626788
Why do you think I do?

>>8626798
There aren't any 30 year old nihilists.

>>8626812
Because your statement shows that you believe in an immaterial identity possessed by humans.

someone ITT that agrees with that mr robot clip, >>8626598, for the love of God explain how. Explain how you can watch that without curling your toes in embarrassment. I don't disapprove of atheists but the entire overtone of how it's delivered just screams of some 13 year old that fantasizes how much better he is than everyone else. The whole scene makes no since from the context I'm given here. And that's ignoring the fact that what's he saying is half assed shit I can't fathom anyone over 16 still earnestly believing as some grand revelation of freethinking.

>>8626807
How so? Isn't dying the decay of matter?

>>8626820
That must mean he's dumb, right?

When did r/atheism invade /lit/?

>>8626793
So I assume these are your beliefs right? And you're bashing my thoughts.

>>8626837
Not bashing your beliefs, bashing your general emberassing "im le intellectual xD" attitude. I believe in God, but that doesn't mean that I think that he somehow gives my life any purpose.

>>8626841
I don't think you have yet to clearly outline your issue with my post. I'm not trying to say I'm an intellectual. The guy asked a question and I answered.

>>8626822
It's the decay of matter, not the decay of matter + the disappearance of an immaterial identity that for some reason waits until this specific arbitrary process takes place before it does anything.

>>8626821
The character is schizophrenic, a drug addict, and hasn't slept for weeks. The sentiment is not meant to be sympathized with.

>>8626863
Is that somehow supposed to give logic or basis to being such an inconsistent nonintellectual edgelord?

Either way, He's not schizophrenic though, because I am schizophrenic and he shows no symptoms of it. In fact he seems to be the absolute worse aspect of it, the self-diagnosed "lol im a failure because of my quirky illness xD" type that I despise with a passion.

>>8626863
So what I'm getting from this is he has the critical capacity of a child, since he seems to think that not sleeping and doing drugs qualifies him as a troubled thinker that validates such illogical thought. The self-diagnosed schizo seems to be such a common thing now too.

>>8623903
My dad watches Ancient Aliens and takes it at face value, then tells people about it.

I don't think age and stupidity are necessarily associated.

>>8626869
I'm just giving you the context, you can't argue with me on that even if he's the Hollywood version of those things. Also, yes if someone is going through all those things I think it's safe to assume they are not going to be thinking clearly.

>>8626882
t. "intelllectual" teenager with le stupid family.

>>8626881
I think you just have to watch the show because you're making judgements based on nothing. Or don't because from what I gather you won't enjoy it.

>>8626893
I've watched a couple of clips. Seems like an insufferable cunt, honestly. Don't tell me that's the point because it's not. The writers seem to think he's some edgy freethinker that is dropping some hard truth knowledge bombs on the sheeple. Nothing I've heard him say is either logical or rational, with no basis behind it, just spouting shit to look edgy.

>>8626885
t. Butthurt Xenoarcheologist

>>8623903

>teenagers are the first generation that wants to ban free speech so we don't hurt some nigger tranny's feelings

Not nihilism!

>>8626720
>nihilism
>I believe
that's some strong irony

>>8626822
Matter does not decay.
>inb4 proton decay
kill me

A healthy bout of nihilism is the fundamental foundation of every respectable philosophy.

>>8623903

Any response to this great prompt which rhetorically dismisses the adolescent worldview is misguided, since some flavor of nihilism is what approaches closest to truth, and an older, fully honest person (like myself!) is fully qualified to render judgment on this matter.

The better question is, "how is it that young and naive people actually manage to arrive, however crudely, at the correct and final analysis, only to abandon it later in life?"

Let us take the second clause first: comfy first world life is comfy, and so provisionally "worth living", and so it goes. Also, animal instincts.

As to the first clause, I have become convinced that there is a very simple, very specific delusion which for very understandable (if not reasonable) reasons, forms a sort of default attitiude in the adult population. I have decided to call this delusion /The Delusion Of The Productive Adult/. This Delusion , this Will To Life and Justification of the Self entails that human motivation, born of our animal drives, are nevertheless absolutely and irreconcilably contrary to everything that the universe actually shows us through observation. The two cannot be synthesized, and in the correct recognition of this one concludes at a nihilism.

>>8623903

Teenagers and early 20 year olds have grown up in an age (We are talking American/Western here) where terrorism is something that always happens, where the economy is complete shit, that jobs are meant to be difficult to find, that they aren't mean to do anything, and that anything they think and feel is wrong.

>>8624075
You mean being normal, having a healthy life, and healthy mind, and a taste for knowledge, education and success?

Just look at all the authors you admire. It's written in their books. They feel deeper than you, they just weren't lazy cunts. They actually had motivation and were intelligent with a passion for something other than pretending their only and main fault and hinderance was that other people weren't like them.

>>8627207

>>8627207
You sound really dumb

>>8624036
>>8624075
>I legitimately let a group of anonymous strangers convince me to ostracize myself from society at the expense of my mental and physical well-being in a desperate attempt to gain a false sense of superiority to fill the void in my ego created by my personal failures.

>>8623903
It's not even real nihilism.
They feel like their lives are meaningless but they're still so attached to idealism that they bear the nihilistic wound.
They feel action ought to be taken for an absolute virtue or purpose and, even when 'understanding' that there is none in the world by default, act as if the lack of a thing means that you have to be passive or, worse, actively destructive.
>>8624036
>Redpill is a philosophy built around putting others down to put yourself up
>you're a numale
Way to prove someone's point, faggot.
The fundamental notion of the redpill isn't so bad but the way it executes is in no way different from your despised leftists.
You arrive at a conclusion and force every bit of evidence to either be helping your conclusion or be false-evidence that is fabricated and not real.
It's also a view that is overly focused on the rest of the world without considering the tools of the individual to better their stock. The only things a person has in modern red-pill philosophy is their heritage and nothing else. There is no room for the self in the modern red-pill philosophy

Anyone who asks themselves why humans desire meaning will realize why it's foolish to say that there is no meaning.

nihilism isn't popular with teens, it's popular with millennial college drop outs nearing their mid 20's to 30's who you see on sites like reddit and tumblr.

It's the last pathetic gasp of a miserable generation who are realizing that they went through their time of cultural influence without contributing anything to society.

Seriously, millennials are pathetic. Generation Z is way, way, way better.

>>8627533

Premise and rhetorical conclusion are all wrong. What is the case is that human drives are merely constituted in such a way as to be wholly contrary to the seeming indifference of observed reality. There is no "rescue" from this, and the reason why that is so is because a rescue must be immanent in the real world.

Humans desire meaning as a result of being story-telling animals. The drives militate toward a postive story, yet at the same time humans are capable of observation, science, and more dispassionate forms of discourse, even to the point of rationality. This latter tendency, especially in light of evidence, is what leads to the pointlessness of things.

The point being that I've actually been over your thing and negated it.

Not that it really matters.

>>8627545
this
Z > Millenials > X > Boomers
the generation war needs to happen

>>8623903
Because we killed God. Unironically actually.

>>8624036
I used to believe I was repilled as a teen.

I grew up.

>>8623903
Because look what all these muh absolute values brought us. And may bring us.

>>8623903
Black Twitter meme on 4chan? Gtfo you normie! OUT!!! REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

>>8625767
Has anyone really been far even as decided to use even go want to do look more like?

>>8628189
This, I cringe so hard at my nazi days lmao

>>8626606
He's having a psychotic episode while also high on meds. He then realizes he said all that bs out loud and runs off.

>>8623903
In short, positivism. Such an approach leaves nihilism as very organic, it is only logical.

The people who stop at nihilism or absurdism are literally some of the most intelligent idiots I've ever met.

They literally say the world is meaningless and doesn't matter after having read chapter 1, without realizing that whether Camus or Nietzsche meaninglessness is a challenge to find meaning, not a reason to live with none

>>8628860
I noticed that too.

>>8626759
There's nothing unreal about conscious experiences.

>>8623903
Why is nihilism-bashing so popular among people who have no philosophical expertise whatsoever, don't understand that the word has many context-specific denotations and that just "nihilism" by itself means nothing at all.

>>8628860
lmao

you sound like a faggot

>>8628941
Once you Schop you can't stop.

>>8623903
Because they see the light.
>>8623921
>>8623922
>>8623938
HAHA PLEBS

>>8624036
instilling /r9k/ values in them during puberty would cripple entire generations

make it happen

>>8628086
>that pic

>>8628860
>>They literally say the world is meaningless and doesn't matter after having read chapter 1, without realizing that whether Camus or Nietzsche meaninglessness is a challenge to find meaning, not a reason to live with none

What?

>>8629221
Nietzsche basically says that life has no reason, but that only means you should give it one.

>>8624108
>develop an identity of your own
so being blue-pilled and being a part of an even bigger group is having an identity? Dumbshit

>>8625819

isn't following the herd of bluepilled sheep the epitome of being a cuck, especially when doing so in the face of a reality that disagrees with it?

>>8624036
World class bait anon, fucking way to go

>>8629864

maybe try living a happy middle bruv

don't have to adhere to any ideaology to be friends with people

and if they think you do, they're not the type you wanna be friends with.

>>8623922

I disagree. I was able to put myself in the shoes of others when I was 15/16

That being said maybe in a general sense you are right. Teenagers are stupid

>>8623903
the angsty little fucks get off to the idea there's no god because they don't have a gf to jack their meat for them

>>8623903
Here's my two cents.
1. Only people in first world countries, or countries with a middle class, matter in the context of this thread.
2. In general, it is easier to live as a child, rather than as an adult. By this, I mean that you have less things to worry about, an average child would have someone else provide for them (probably their parents) and they have a future with (theoretically) countless exciting possibilities. On the other hand, a normal middle aged first world adult has the opposite of these things (at least, compared to when they were younger. Perhaps they still have a lot look forward to, compared to people from poorer parts of the world, but this is mostly irrelevant to their reality).
3. Existential nihilism is the most "honest" (reasonable) conclusion. Or at least, if there is a higher meaning, it is something that the human race is intrinsically oblivious to. (Either there is no meaning/value, or we are too simple to understand it, hence making it irrelevant, for all intents and purposes, as a human being.)

Because of the point raised in (3), many children (and teenagers) reach this conclusion on their own. However, as mentioned in (2), the easy part of their life eventually ends, and they must make the transition over into adulthood. Over the decades, as the realities of life wear down on their will to live, a great many of them will (consciously or otherwise) choose to adopt a different school of thought, so that they may live on and be productive/relevant (self preservation instinct and the will to preserve one self's genetic lineage). This enables them to have a voice, to be heard, by society. These are the people you here from, about their opinions/philosophies.

If, instead of changing over to a different doctrine, one remains subscribed to existential nihilism, you never hear of their opinions again (because they stop caring, they die, etc.).

>>8624026
He's right though. The stereotype of the "edgy teen" didn't exist before marxists took over education. The baby boomers were the original edgy teens.

Or do you really think fourteen year olds were painting their nails black and listening to shitty whine-rock in the 1940's?

>>8623903
It is not. The "im a nihilist cuz life sux" is not real nihilism. They tend to be quite moralist actually.

>>8626720
>not believing because nothing matters, everything matters

>>8630845
((((((((()))))))))))))))

>>8628086
>Boomers
>Workaholics
If ending the world mean they work one hour less, they will end the world.

>>8630845
Nigga.

We are so small for this world that whatever we do will have no consequence on the course of the universe, but since we are so small, our own problems are at our scale.

This is why producing food matter. Producing goods for basic needs matter. Producing goods for comfort matter. Keeping violence away matter.

>>8628086
Wait, aren't baby boomers the most privileged and entitled gen of them all?

>>8631389
This chart is made by a boomer.

>>8623903

As soon as the kids who are outcasted enough to become aware of getting educated by alternative sources such as the internet or books, such amounts of newfound knowledge about the universe can easily create perspectives fueled by the desire to be different and or above their perceived social standards. Nihilism in the simple form is a philosophy that not only freaks out normal people, it's also extremely convenient for the adolescent state of apathy when confronted with the struggles of discovering new hurdles in life they have to deal with.

And despite all this, nihilism is quite hard to argue against. However nihilism as perceived by the average teen is overly simple and usually ends with "fuck it who cares" or something like that.

>>8629864
the only thing you prove when you think you have to be blue-pilled or red-pilled is autism.

>>8626598
I wanna die

>>8628915
this desu

When you say "nihilism" what are you referring to?

Why is there such a lack of compassion amongst humans in general? This counts for all generations. We truly are deluded by the modernist, consumption-orientated and corporate world.

>>8631769

Not every person has the capacity for empathy that you do. And I'm not saying this to make you feel like some special snowflake. Some people are genuine narcissists and predators who might fuck with you and think nothing of it. They don't have the capacity for remorse or compassion that you do. Not every mean person is deluded and in need of love and understanding to bring out their better qualities. Some of them are fundamentally and irreparably cruel. This isn't merely a problem with superficiality in modern culture. They are biologically predisposed to be this way.

>>8631805
>They are biologically predisposed to be this way.

To me this seems like a weak excuse for selfish and narcissistic behaviour. These people should be locked away then if there is really no cure and no choice for them as they are determined to do harm to other people.

The real problem seems to be though that the world which we live in rewards such behaviour with a bunch of privileges. This motivates the alienation of concepts (not realities I have to admit) such like compassion and empathy even more additional to the fact that selfish beviour will cause even more harm than without these privileges.

>>8631859

>To me this seems like a weak excuse for selfish and narcissistic behaviour.

It isn't an excuse, anon. I am not making any excuses for them. I am simply telling you that a fair amount of them simply aren't wired like you are. Your capacity for empathy is an incredibly important thing but you need to build emotional boundaries and barriers and prepare to harden yourself to the world and the different subsets of people that are out there.

Some people turn cruel because of issues in their formative years, and those people can genuinely change and be helped, but some people simply are cruel and controlling at their core. Really nasty narcissists/sociopaths/psychopaths are simply different to you on a fundamental level. You are going to have to accept this and move with caution in the world. There are people out there that will look right at you but behind those two eyes no one is home. It's a deeply disquieting truth to accept, I know. But don't move through the world with a naive acceptance. People will exploit you. You need to harden yourself and move smarter. Help only those that you feel have it within them to be helped.

>>8623903
Why is anchoring and distraction so popular with adults?

>>8624075
Fuck off back to /pol/ nigger.

>>8631382

>>8630845 here. I think that the points you raised about food, shelter, violence etc are based on very instinctive desires, derived from our genetics.

Only those who have been able to excel at the things you stated have been able to get their genetics to survive throughout the ages. Once our ancestors had evolved up to a certain stage, those who had been born with a tendency to "care" or "believe" in the value of agriculture, law and order and so on, would have had a statistically significant advantage over those who didn't. Hence the belief naturally became wide spread as the default mode of thought.

However, just because it is statistically significant, it does not necessarily mean that it holds significance in any other way.

That isnt to say that I don't care about my life. Because of the reasons stated above, it is in our nature to default to surviving, unless of course there are extreme circumstances. Just as ants default to surviving and climbing over obstacles, we do to. But it doesnt matter if an ant dies or not; neither does it matter in the case of our own race.

Personally, though, I very much love the human race and would love to see it continue to flourish.

>>8631998
fuck off back to /lgbt/ nigger

>>8623903
Because it's what modern life teaches them from a young age; the young are not stupid; they are supremely adaptive to their environment.

However they quickly learn that whilst this may be an objectively more intellectually honest approach, it is neither encouraging nor conducive to success in life.

Then there is a choice to make; they can either embrace futility or try to accept some flawed schema as a means to an end.

Really; you've got your ancestors and the great powers of the past to blame; filling your heads with strange needs for absurd non-extant qualities like "meaning" and "respect", and indoctrinating you with the cultural habit of asking inane questions that bend the schema of language to create uncertainty and thinking them profound.

Fuck "Intellectuals", I throw rocks at college kids and they scatter like honking geese.

>>8624036
Why on earth would you think that would be a remedy?

>>8626720
I too believe there is no meaning to our existence, but that we should make something worthwhile of it that will benefit others

What kind of nihilist does this make me?

Nihilism is the laziest fucking ideological position to hold, it requires no serious thought. It is easy to be a nihilist. It is difficult to accept that there is meaning in life.

The fact that there is meaning in life becomes clear with about 20 minutes of deep thought and Dialectics.

From the perspective of your life, whatever experiences and decisions you make were predestined from eternity, and are necessary. The things you output into the world are products of your experience, each moment of your life is necessary for this.

Zoom out into the context of society. While your individual actions do not have an immediate effect, every action you take has consequences that become larger and larger as time progresses, and every single action, every breath you take, every shitpost you make, is necessary for the ultimate outcome of society and the species, and the universe. (Hint, it is either extinction or godhood.)

The fact is that every single thing you do is the most important thing in the universe, every event is absolutely necessary, you may as well do the best with what you're given.

I must repeat: It is much more difficult to realize that yes, everything you do matters absolutely than to deny it.

>>8633590
And here we see the classical "Does not get that Nietzsche is all about understanding life doesn't have a reason but giving it one", a round of applause.

Every step you take, every shitpost you make, I'll be watching you~

>>8633600
I'm not a Nietzschean, and that's not what Nietzsche is really saying. I don't really care about Nietzsche, much less pseud teenagers interpretations of Nietzsche.

Life has a reason that is constantly unfolding, becoming, and revealing itself. All events are a preparation for the final mystery.

In fact, what I said is largely in accord with your quoted phrase, if you actually take it to conclusion instead of settling into your easy pseudo intellectual autistic relativism.

>>8633590
Sleep tight Balboa

>>8627255
Well put.

>>8633590
So if I decide to do nothing all day or kill myself it's also the most important thing ever. What kinda shitty meaning is that?

>>8633669
I used words like "Importance" Or "Significance"

The meaning has yet to be revealed, but your actions are all necessary for the revelation. Everything you do is necessary for the conclusion. You ought to work towards a conclusion that would be positive in your mind.

>>8633590
>It is difficult to accept that there is meaning in life.

lol no there isnt

>From the perspective of your life, whatever experiences and decisions you make were predestined from eternity

no they werent

>and are necessary.

necessary to what?

>every single action ... is necessary for the ultimate outcome of society

so your argument is that, every human is a grain of sand in a much bigger beach?

>and the species, and the universe. (Hint, it is either extinction or godhood.)

humanity will go extinct one day. it doesn't matter how, it doesn't matter when, we're not going to be here forever. my individual actions don't have a say in what happens to us.

Please clarify for me; the "meaning" you believe life has is an ethical one? You believe humans SHOULD strive to improve humanity? That that's our purpose, our obligation? Why do you keep saying everything we do is "the most important thing"?

>>8633681
Is this your own philosophy? Because it sounds like vague mystic bullshit.

>>8633699
Don't 99% of philosophies sound like vague mystic bullshit though?

>>8633686
>lol no there isnt
Not an argument.
>no they werent
>He isn't a determinist
Opinion discarded. Bohm Dynamics kiddo.
>necessary to what?
Necessary to the final outcome, whatever perspective you take in regards to scope.

>so your argument is that, every human is a grain of sand in a much bigger beach?
No, I'm saying that every human is a gear in a very, very complex process and that every gear is necessary for the final outcome of that process.

>humanity will go extinct one day. it doesn't matter how, it doesn't matter when, we're not going to be here forever.

With that attitude. I would say it is much more likely we go extinct, but if anyone is likely to overcome the death of the universe, it will be our post-human children.

>You believe humans SHOULD strive to improve humanity?

Nowhere do I say this. The shaping/revealing of meaning is something that you are a part of, you don't have any choice in the matter, whatever you do will shape it. Why wouldn't you want to make the outcome desirable to you? The ultimate outcome (The Absolute) could end up being nuclear hellfire consuming all humanity, but that remains yet to be seen.

The revealing and processing of meaning is something that happens at every waking moment of your life, just by perceiving.

>>8633699
No.

>>8623903
Teenagers are developing the ability to make evaluative judgements as they grow up. It's difficult for them to attach significance to things that don't cater specifically to their senses. It doesn't help that they live in the internet age, where an overarching narrative just doesn't exist.

>>8633727
>final outcome of that process.

final outcome of spooks more like.

>>8625819
>as well as engaging in plentiful recreational activity and narcotics
top kek
>>8628860
Nice sentimentalism
JUST MAKE YOUR OWN MEANING BRO SO FUCKING PROFOUND
>>8630971
They were listening to jazz and trying to get heroin.

>>8633809
>Material processes are spooks.
Ok. What I am saying is not much different from Stirner, he was also Hegelian.

>>8633727
gonna need you to clarify so go slowly on me Anon

what exactly, is the meaning of life? how is nihilism wrong? isnt nihilism just "the belief that there is no intrinsic purpose, meaning, or value in life"?

>Necessary to the final outcome,

final outcome OF WHAT? of humanity?

>it is much more likely we go extinct

this isnt about my attitude, we're going to cease to exist one day, no ifs and or buts about it. Either we go extinct, or evolve into something else, something which will eventually go extinct too.

>but if anyone is likely to overcome the death of the universe

how u gonna overcome the death of the universe? where you gonna go when theres no universe? explain that senpai

Why are you concerned with humanity as a whole, and not with the individual themselves? The only thing that matters to ME is what happens to ME from the time I was born and until I die. Everything that happens outside this scope doesn't matter (to me).

>>8633845
How is anything you've said similar to Stirner? What material processes are you referring to?

>>8626821
>cringe
>since
Who's the real teenager here?

>>8627228
This

>>8633845

You and me are never going to reach godhood or see the apocalypse pham. I don't give a fuck about some spaceniggers conquering the universe 300000 years after my death or nuclear annihilation. It's just spooks all the way down.

>>8623903
I've always been a nihilist.

>>8633859
>final outcome OF WHAT?
I've said final outcome of any process you're a part of.

I started from just the perspective of your life, but you can look at any scale, even from the scale of just: the process of making the next shitpost. Everything you do is a necessary step in whatever process you are a part of, the largest process being the universe.

>this isnt about my attitude, we're going to cease to exist one day, no ifs and or buts about it. Either we go extinct, or evolve into something else, something which will eventually go extinct too.
It probably will, but if anything is equipped to try and overcome entropy (a statistical, not a physical law) then it will be some superevolved hyperintelligences that we become or pass our humanity off to. Even if it turns out to be impossible we may as well not go gently into the night.

>how u gonna overcome the death of the universe? where you gonna go when theres no universe? explain that senpai

Go to another universe, prevent the death of the current one, do something completely incomprehensible to a modern mind, I don't know what we'll do. As I said above, we may as well rage against the dying of the light if nothing else.

>How is anything you've said similar to Stirner? What material processes are you referring to?

Stirner's ego as the creative nothing is just a rephrasing of The Absolute. The unique one is the embodiment of all of your experience and thought. This is The Absolute from the reverse perspective. Stirner suggests that you do as you wish and make things your property and expand the ego. The Ego and its property become everything if you take it to the logical conclusion, which Stirner does not if I recall. Stirner wants you to make the world in your image to the best of your ability, and so do I.
>You and me are never going to reach godhood or see the apocalypse pham. I don't give a fuck about some spaceniggers conquering the universe 300000 years after my death or nuclear annihilation. It's just spooks all the way down.

I simply happen to be concerned with the bigger picture here, but whatever perspective you take, what you do still matters and has meaning. The Absolute will reveal itself regardless whether or not you make the conscious choice to not care.

Is it not just possible that the world is a shitty place?
If anyone seems deluded, it seems to me that the so called "adults" of the world are brainwashing themselves to fit inside society rather than go mad
The evidence is in how mad and defensive these people get when you point out the flaws, it's a fear response as you threaten their particular world view

>>8633906

all you're concerned with are spooks.

>>8633932

best post ITT

>>8633932
Sounds like something a teenager would say desu. Adults realize the world is shit because of reasons beyond their comprehension or control, but they get out of bed, go to work, and be sociable with their fellow man because they realize he experiences the same state. Also, I don't think the world is inherently shit, but that people intentionally make it like it is so the majority will remain marginalized and hopeless.

>>8633962
>they get out of bed, go to work, and be sociable with their fellow man because they realize he experiences the same state

I don't see how that makes any difference.

>>8633937
This is probably b8 but Christ, even when I phrase things in Stirner's term and use his philosophy you think it is spooks. KYS.

>>8633932
>>8633971
"The world is a shitty place" is just the first step. Why don't you try and make it better? whatever that might mean to you? This is slave mentality.

Everything you do makes a difference and is necessary, you're just not thinking large enough.

You shouldn't be a cuck and just resign yourself to mediocrity even if you don't think about the big picture.

>>8633962
>Also, I don't think the world is inherently shit, but that people intentionally make it like it is so the majority will remain marginalized and hopeless
You sound real low IQ. Are you a leftist?

>>8624036
>>8624075
>>>/pol/

>>8633987
>even when I phrase things in Stirner's term and use his philosophy you think it is spooks

You're merely dressing up your ideology in pretty words.

>Why don't you try and make it better?

Who are you to think you can change the world in any meaningful way? Not only that, why would you assume people would appreciate what you're doing? Think as large as you want, the world doesn't give a fuck about us.

>get out of bed, go to work, and be sociable with their fellow man

You make wagecucking for Mr. Shoahbergmannstein sounds so noble.

I can't fucking believe how naive /lit/ is. The question is easy: Because teenagers have less to loose. I can't believe the amount people in here in their early 20's trying to establish a distance to their youth and establish some humanistic principles of life in order to quick fix the very-near anguish and depression and justify their hardships in college in order to live a materialistic life in a rich area.

The world fucking sucks. And just because you happen to live in a upper middle class area of US stop trying to be so fucking bourgeoius and watch some snuff.

Fucking naive faggots.

>>8627228
First good post in this thread. Sad to see it so down low.

>>8623903
>why is nihilism so popular with teenagers?
i dont know

>>8634020
>You're merely dressing up your ideology in pretty words.
>The philosopher I'm deriving the concept of spook from is a spook
I justified my philosophy using Stirner's you raging autist.

Who are you to think you can change the world in any meaningful way? Not only that, why would you assume people would appreciate what you're doing? Think as large as you want, the world doesn't give a fuck about us.

The world may not give a fuck about us but I sure as hell give a fuck about the world. You're a slave with an arbitrary definition of meaningful. My legacy, however "small,' even if it simply a wave of entropy, will be written in the universe forever, and so will yours however much you deny it. I've never claimed the world gave a fuck about us, I've fully admitted that the world is likely completely impersonal to us, but we are the only people who have even a remote chance of changing that.
>get out of bed, go to work, and be sociable with their fellow man

>You make wagecucking for Mr. Shoahbergmannstein sounds so noble.

Not only did I not write this, but I'm arguing directly against this kind of mindless obedience.

>>8634059
I should also add to this post that you're still ridiculously small-minded if the only think in terms of risk and reward.

>>8634059

>The world may not give a fuck about us but I sure as hell give a fuck about the world. You're a slave with an arbitrary definition of meaningful. My legacy, however "small,' even if it simply a wave of entropy, will be written in the universe forever

This is religion tier blue pill. You're identical to the average worker bee yet you think your life has some grander meaning instead of admitting that literally the only reason you're alive is because every atom in your biology is telling you to stay alive.

You call me a slave but you seem to be bragging about how little you can be content with.

>>8634069

I am being small-minded. I care about my experience here and now.

>>8624036
there is no remedy. it has to roll over you, its part of growing

>>8634153
>I am being small-minded. I care about my experience here and now.

I do too you little fucker, I'm just not denying there is something insignificant. I'm bragging about how I can't be content with so little, so I'm going to do everything in my power to get more. I'm not content with just being an entropy wave, but I'll have a legacy even if I try not to have one, that was my point.

You're the one who seems to be suggesting we should give up the will to live as Schopenhauer suggests. Will you fight or die like an animal?

I am saying to do everything in your power to change things, to make the world how you want it to be the odds be damned, to fight until your final breath, and you are saying I'm taking the blue pill? The fact you even think in terms of pills reveals just how little you've thought about the matter.

>>8627228
This is key to it. Also the fakeness of our contemporary society. They pretend the economy has recovered, but it never did. The media and government only lie to people to manage perceptions. The cyberworld has become an awful, narcassistic place full of algorithms which echo the same views that you see. Nothing changes, nothing makes sense and no one can see any alternative. Reminds me of Roadside Picnic.

But seriously, any fool can be a cynic. It isn't a tough thing or even a harsh thing. Faith and Reverence takes serious contemplation and duty to know and understand. For Belief is not a narrowness, belief is an understanding that there are truths outside nature and outside the contemporary universe which governs us. Religion doesn't make the world a less shitty place, it harmonises and humanises the the human condition so that it is bearable. It gives meaning, comfort and truth. It guides, protects and inspires.

You don't see the power of religious thought, but ask yourself, what has an atheistic nihilist every achieved that is worth remembering in history? Only genocide and hedonism. Yet the words of Christ can inspire people long after their death. It can inspire thousands of painters and give meaning to millions of people for over a millennium. The words of those books and the greatness of that art, architecture and thought is lost on those without faith.

The high cathedrals of the Gothic are like whales on the moon on the face of contemporary Europe.

It held unspilt so long and equibly,
what since is found only in seperation,
Marriage, and birth, and death and thoughts of these, for who was built this special shell.

>>8634186
Ok, you had me until Christ. The leap of faith is an awful meme, you just need dialectics.

>>8634188
I literally just used it as an example. If you can't appreciate the culture from which you came, and hide behind smugness and irony, then you should just kill yourself and return to the clay.

You can't understand 70% of Western history without knowing the gospels inside out. Kill yourself.

>>8634174
>Will you fight or die like an animal?

I will die like an animal.

You won't have shit. You don't have the power to do anything significant but of course now you'll select a definition of significant that is just enough to satisfy your ability.

>odds be damned

Then be careful reality doesn't snap back at you when you try to bend it.

>>8634194
Oh, I'm sorry, I misunderstood you, you're fine actually.

>>8634199
>I will die like an animal.

Schopenhauer is a hell of a drug it appears.

Failure loves company.

>>8634206

Why are we supposed to win?

Also I don't claim to represent Schop's views or anything, this is just my pessimism.

>>8634225
Look, I put things on a grand scale because that's how I feel about it, but even if you put it on a small perspective, why would you ever not want to "win?" set your goals and work towards them. You can deny the higher truth, it will develop regardless of what you do, so you should do as you will. You seem to want to deny your will entirely and not try and shape the world in any way because of a preconcieved notion what you do is insignificant.

You should do as you will because everything you do matters, not because it does not.

>>8633987
"world is just a shitty place" guy here
I didn't say I resign myself to mediocrity, I'm just aware that the world is crap. And what is this delusion of grandeur you're suffering from that you think you can change it just by "trying hard"? Being aware of the fact that you're a meaningless blip in an uncaring ocean doesn't stop me from living the way I want to, quite the contrary, I don't owe anything to this world, so I live the way I want to in spite of it

>>8634238
>why would you ever not want to "win?"
Because life isn't a fucking video game

>>8634238

When I look at the 'grand scale', I see that reproduction is the most evil thing a person could do. Life is suffering, over thousands of years all major religions had to admit this. In order to not suffer you need to work so that in the future your odds of not suffering go up. This is ultimately the 'foundational' meaning. You have to keep pain at bay 24/7.

But why do I have to suffer? Why would someone who supposedly loves me do this to me? Not that I'm a Marxist but a person who does not produce will quickly become an outcast. If they don't want you to be a burden AND they don't want you to suffer, why did they reproduce in the first place? The answer is simple. They are selfish and evil and they need more worker bees.

>>8634287
Winning in this case is synonymous with doing what you want.

>>8634297
>life is suffering
Without suffering, there is no joy, the first thing humanity did when given paradise was to throw it away for hardship, hardship and suffering are blessings because they give us perspective and if handled well, lead to enlightenment

>>8634297
“The bird fights its way out of the egg. The egg is the world. Who would be born must first destroy a world. The bird flies to God. That God's name is Abraxas.”

>>8634316

Tell that to the rich kids of instagram.

But still, you're gambling with the welfare of children by assuming their pleasure will be greater than their suffering.

>>8634325

"I took a really long and thin smelly fucking shit tonight." - Charles V

>>8634340
>"I took a really long and thin smelly fucking shit tonight." - Charles V

>>8623903
Religion is bullshit. Good morals make a good person.

>>8634297
>over thousands of years all major religions had to admit this.
Wrong. Don't speak about things you do not understand, you tool.

Christianity alone does not have an actual concept that 'life is suffering', it has its pessimism but that is not core.
>>8634939
M'lady

There are no good morals, or morals at all, without God. There's just vanity and absurdity and vainabsurdity.

>>8636163
>Wrong. Don't speak about things you do not understand, you tool.

Then shut the fuck up.

Christianity has the original sin which is a representation of that realization.

The only thing about nihilism that is popular in teenagers is its aesthetic

>>8636234
Original Sin as a punishment ended with the Crucifixion. It is now a burden because the affects of it will only be finally removed on Dies Irae.

>>8636163
>There are no good morals, or morals at all, without God.
No. Go buy another Indulgence.

>>8636892
Yes. Otherwise you are basing them off of nothing but your own vanity.

Go ahead and refer to Kant without even reading him; he uses God as the something similar to the Form Good: as the source of reason and the light which allows us any grasp on objectivity.

>>8636906
Man invented God. Man invented religious texts. Man can live by a decent moral code - also invented, so that he doesn't live as a giant douche.

Because active nihilism is the GOAT.

>>8636911
>man invented god
Nope
>a decent (invented) moral code
Nope, if it's invented it is entirely arbitrary.

Democracy has made you delusional; you think there is no error in thinking laws which dictate people and are made by the same people can ever be fair laws.

>>8636922
No, I live in the real world.
>you think there is no error in thinking laws which dictate people and are made by the same people can ever be fair laws.
You just pulled this out of your ass. It doesn't even fit the dialogue. Many laws are fair. Man invented God. If you would like to live in a fascist theocracy, by all means - move to the middle east.

>>8636922
You're writing from the middle east, aren't you?

>>8636945
>the real world
Epic meme
>>8636948
Samefag

>>8636922
But anon, morals ARE entirely arbitrary.

>>8636945
>Many laws are fair
They by definition are not if they are at all man-made, because they are then inherently biased.

You lack the capacity to see beyond yourself.
>>8636968
If they are arbitrary, then they are not morals.

>>8636911
>inb4 he replies with your invented moral code is vanity, mine is based on god's so it's legit

>>8636985
>I literally cannot read

>>8636973
Figuring it out the best we can by trial and error in a big group is hard and tedious and involves plenty of missteps.

So, lazy arrogant people look for something they can understand by themselves, and then do the world the further disservice of looking down on all the hard work the subjectivists are doing and saying "vanity, vanity" when it is anything but.

>>8636973
>If they are arbitrary, then they are not morals.
This is not an argument. This is a half-baked platitude.

>>8636985
Yup. Typical thumper lunacy.

>>8636994
>the best we can
This is the actual meaning of vanity, looking for utilitarian nonsense because it APPEARS to be correct.
>>8637005
It was not intended as an argument, it is a self-evident statement.

A moral system based upon the whims of one person and all their variety is not a moral system, but an ethical dictatorship.

When a system is based off of the whims of a subject, it is arbitrary.

So, if 'morals' are arbitrary, they are not morals (but are the whims of a dictator).
>>8637006
This is not Biblical, this is straight out of Kantian ethics.

>>8637018
So tell us what's correct then, and it should be self-evident for the whole world, and we can all live that way and nobody will disagree ever because the truth is so obvious.

>>8637018
>I stopped reading the greats at Kant and have never been involved in a real-world decision making process outside my own experience

>>8637031
>tell us
Do you not understand that philosophy doesn't always need a fucking answer?

>>8637036
>real world
Doesn't matter. I've read more philosophy past Kant than before him, and if you read Kant you would know he rejects the idea of practicality of an ethics affecting the actual moral value.

Goodness, I'd argue something can only be moral if it is impractical.

>>8623903
i dont know if you guys arguing have noticed but it seems like we've gone back to basic 4chan behavior.
is this supposed to be some next-level ironic 'subcultured' purple pill doctrine?

>>8637899
>we've gone back to basic 4chan behavior.

Tell me more.

Because teenagers don't understand how painful and burdensome life can be without a simple ideological framework, so it's easy for them to 'vacation' in nihilism for a couple years before moving on as they get older and start involuntarily becoming acolytes of the 'family first' ideology or something similarly related. Those who remain, or those who approach nihilism at an older age are the ones who get hopelessly entrenched and live lives of directionless misery sated only by a few libidinal comforts

>>8625819
>fuccboi
You know I have started to hear people call themselves fuccbois in the belief it means they're badass or some shit.