/lit/ - Literature

Books

>>9028369
One arbitrary unquantifiable metric in a reductive and applicationless categorization "system"

>>9028371
An INTP will read books for the sake of accruing knowledge.

An INTJ will read books for a purpose. To learn something that is relevant for the INTJ and their goals.

One letter.

>>9028619

INTP: introverted thinking (likes focusing all attention on something geeky like computer programming to take their mind off the fact they're lame and will never have a girlfriend), extroverted intuition (rambles on and on about stupid shit nobody cares about), introverted sensing (curmudgeon, tiny penis), extroverted feeling (bottle up feelings that explode in autistic rage)

4-5% of population


INTJ: introverted intuition (synesthesia, thinks in images), extroverted thinking (likes to use thinking as a tool to better themselves or humanity), introverted feeling (authentic, sincere, has good taste and judgment, aesthetic, into literature and art), extroverted sensing (perfectionism, conflict between asceticism and self-indulgence)

0.001% of population
if you think you are intj, you are probably intp

>>9028637
I am both except big benis.

>>9028647
you sound like an istp to me

>>9028652
kek

>>9028652
Which implies what, lower IQ? Could be.

One got a slightly different result on a glorified horoscope than the other.

INTJs are pretty much the /pol/ browser type desu

>>9028369
It's always interesting to encounter people who actually believe in these personality trait bogus systems.

personality types are a spook

>>9028657
you wouldn't understand my explanations since you don't have introverted intuition like me
sorry

INTP = lazy & degenerate INTJ

>>9028664
>>9028662
typical introverted feelers
they hate it when you try to label them

>>9028369
INTP's have insight
INTJ's have opinions

try are very similar flavors of people; an intj is more likely to speak where an intp is more likely to listen. intp's are more likely to have a favorite book, album, movie, etc.(and, predictably, believe their favorites are examples of superior works within the medium as a whole) whereas an intp has a bunch of stuff they like, but no real favorite

>>9028369
As an INTJ - could you date another INTJ, and expect a healthy relationship?

>>9028637
Your intj description fits me pretty well desu my dude
>I guess that makes me an autistic intp :^)

>>9028681
>>9028682
one thing that intp's do is they embed all the other functions into their introverted thinking as an illusion that doesn't really exist, it's just another fantasy they obsess over to keep their minds off their lack of gf

Every test I take says INTP.

>>9028694
Try writing more coherently next time.

>>9028694
>>9028714
He's saying intps pretend they're smarter/better than they really are, as part of the fantasies they spend their life imagining.
Hence, in their own minds, intps will often see themselves as fitting the intj description
But yeah, could have been phrased better.

the most patrician type is the male infj (me)
it's what nietzsche meant by ubermensch
they're similar to my intj description above except they're more friendly and warm and have lots and lots of sex with the prettiest girls and they're more independent-minded and "spiritual" and whimsical and playful

>>9028369

most people that buy into MBTI are usually disillusioned into thinking that learning such a thing about themselves is enlightening and reveals a truth when infact it does little to nothing to constitute them as a unique individual, because only a fool would truly believe they're more unique than another human being

life is a banquet and many girls would rather take the dick of the one that doesn't waste their time dwelling about such useless malarkey

This thread is stupid.

Just for fun, what's your MBTI type?

Mine is ENTP

>>9028734
Me too. MBTI is complete bullshit.

>>9028731
>life is a banquet and many girls would rather take the dick of the one that doesn't waste their time dwelling about such useless malarkey
dude have you ever seen a tinder or dating site profile on your life? mb and horoscope shit is always on there

>>9028369
What the fuck does this have to do with literature?

>>9028731
extroverted feeler and introverted sensing detected
isfj

>>9028745
istj or intp or istp

>>9028752
istj or intp

>>9028725
>Hence, in their own minds, intps will often see themselves as fitting the intj description
I don't see a contradiction in the description of the two types given in this thread except that INTJ is described as the more desirable type but logically speaking the qualities seem to be perfeclty compatible to me, like you can be lame but authentic and sincere, and you can be a permavirgin but still use thinking as a tool to better yourself and humanity. etc. pp.

There's nothing about how all INTJ "have gf" or "don't ramble on about stupid shit".

And that synesthesia part is just straight faggy honestly

And being so newfag in your judgement as to see a conflict between asceticism and self-indulgence as part of your character just betrays lack of education I mean this is baby stuff start g r e c o

>>9028369
One is part of a 21st century attempt at astrology, and so is the other.

>>9028767
this whole post is a perfect example of introverted sensing in action

Introverted Sensing often involves storing data and information, then comparing and contrasting the current situation with similar ones.

The immediate experience or words are instantly linked with the prior experiences, and we register a similarity or a difference—for example, noticing that some food doesn't taste the same or is saltier than it usually is.

Introverted Sensing is also operating when we see someone who reminds us of someone else.

Sometimes a feeling associated with the recalled image comes into our awareness along with the information itself. Then the image can be so strong, our body responds as if reliving the experience. The process also involves reviewing the past to draw on the lessons of history, hindsight, and experience.

With introverted Sensing, there is often great attention to detail and getting a clear picture of goals and objectives and what is to happen. There can be a oneness with ageless customs that help sustain civilization and culture and protect what is known and long-lasting, even while what is reliable changes.

>tfw ENFP with social anxiety and no confidence
i used to have loads of confidence and self esteem and now i fear its gone forever

>>9028767
also everyone has all of the functions it has to do with emphasis

>>9028767
also i gave manifestations of the functions because i wanted to make it more concrete for the non-intuitives here
the sun descends on the horizon, the moon descends on the horizon, a similar behavior is manifested for each
but the mechanism for what you see is completely different

>>9028637
INTP
>emotionally/socially autistic and closed off
>less outwardly organized
>thinking is more free/flexible, less planned
>prefers to reason with a framework of pure logic/theoretics
INTJ
>emotionally/socially insecure and open
>more outwardly organized
>thinking is more strict/controlled, more planned/strategic
>prefers to reason within a practical/empirical framework
>>9028637
This guy may be a good example of a INTJ. Note the desperate need to validate himself and dismiss the INTP's unregulated nature.

how can i tell if i'm Ni dominant?
I don't understand that function honestly.

what are some good INTJ jobs? Military commander sounds perfect in theory but I don't want to join the military. Business executive has too much extroverted requirements. Science is cool but I dislike working in the lab. I am a math major so theoretical and analytical stuff like that interest me but I am not sure I'd like a job that is so detached from reality. Theoretical physics is interesting but I'm not sure I can devout fifteen hours/day for the rest of my life to be someone who likely won't do anything too ground breaking in the field. Novelist has too many words and filmmaking has too many people to manage. Engineering has too much lab work. Programming is tedious as well as most of philosophy. Any other INTJs feel similarly lost?

>>9028823
male infj

it's more of a joyous vindication of my superior values
and you have no idea what you're talking about
mbti neophytes like you don't even know that an introvert with a p is really a j and the p/j value you're using to come up with your description only works for extroverts

>>9028843
http://www.synesthete.org/
most Ni dominants are synesthetes but not all synesthetes are Ni dominants

>>9028726
infj are the real autismos man, they take being introvert to another level

>>9028873
physical therapist or physical therapist assistant

>>9028873
That's not an INTJ problem. You either lack a passion or are lazy or both.

>>9028889
infj is the antipode of autism par excellence
the reason they seek solitude is because even normies are too autistic for them

Oh dear, this thread sucks. What a surprise.

Something I'd like to add is that INTJs are more conventional, simply because their goals are linked to the external world; as such, they work with it.

INTPs have a level of detachment that sometimes renders them ineffectual, but often more innovative. Speaking from my own experience, things often seem strange/uncanny to me, even ordinary objects, because I think about how arbitrary they are; the reason for their existence ultimately eludes logic, at least, my own logic. (from the perspective of QM and chaos theory - everything could easily be different, from the atomic level to the societal and universal, it's just odd, the brazen existence of things). An INTJ is perhaps less likely to get bogged down in metaphysics, though existentialism is probably important to them due to their need for effectiveness.

>>9028843
Honestly, it can be pretty hard to distinguish between INTP and INFJ. Ti-Ne vs. Ni-Ti. But one of the best ways is to look at the other functions and use elimination to reach your 'type'.

>>9028910
this guy is definitely an intp

>>9028734
Master race

>>9028896
I have too many passions. That's the problem. I'm not lazy either, maybe a little unambitious, but not lazy. I wouldn't have a problem not being an INTJ but every time I take the test it's what I get, even when I try to answer the questions in a different thinking style.

>>9028933
you might be a male infj like me

>I'd like a job that is so detached from reality
>Programming is tedious as well as most of philosophy.

look into medical professions

>>9028933
another thing you might be good at is architecture but i think that is difficult to into nowadays

being and INTP fucking sucks, INTJ are autists too but they dont seem to sweat it
>implying MBTI is even legit
Sometimes I wish I had taken the schoolar autist path instead of the artsy degenerate autist path, it doesnt fit my T right

>>9028977
front end web development

>>9028875
>an introvert with a p is really a j
can you expand on this?

>>9028995
Do I into that?
>inb4 google
My google broke last week, pls no bully

>>9029022
How do I*
fix'd

>>9029022
it's something you can teach yourself and doesn't require a computer science degree or anything, if you have a bachelor's in anything you're better off
go to the web development plebbit, there's all sorts of online classes and stuff
but if you're like me and can't stand solving puzzles and logic games and fiddling with technology then look into physical therapy assistance or medical assistance or radiology or pharmacy technician stuff or maybe even nursing if you're okay with sticking tubes up people's urethras and want to work 12 hour shifts three days a week and have four day weekends every week
you'll need a two year degree but the kind of socialness required for something like that is way different than the kind required for something like business

>>9028369

someone explain this to me

>>9029050
Thanks but I'm not going to do any of that

>>9029063
it doesn't mean anything, it was invented by women

i think a big problem for introverted dudes of our generation is anyone who isn't a complete dumbass and can make good grades in little babby math in high school is considered smart and logical and is pushed into shitty autist stem careers they don't really care about
then they look around and there's retard tools jobs like air condition and refrigeration and they can't do that because they can't even change their car tire
then they look at healthcare stuff and think they can't do that because they're "not good with people"
then they either force themselves to get a stem degree they don't care about, major in something interesting like history or english that doesn't train them for a job, or drop out of or skip going to college altogether

>>9029063
>not turbulent
It means you are a fag

>>9029077
nigga explain infj 2me

>>9028369
INTJs are more annoying.

>>9028681
Yes, it would theoretically be a great relationship.

Except, unfortunately, INTJ women are even rarer then men (almost non-existent) so there is a very little chance of that ever happening to you.

>>9029077
Drop out and working part time to have time to create your art is the patrician choice, desu, unless you have a 200iq, in that case stay in physics or philosophy

>>9029063

>100% introverted

right there with you

>>9029080

>>9029091
that's the how to be poor choice
the patrician choice is to work as little as possible while in college getting a four-year degree in something you love using scholarship or mommy money
then when you graduate get a job in a grocery store or something simple stocking grocery store shelves for a year while living with mommy to save money
during these five years it's your goal to find a qt non-materialistic patrician girl that makes or has the potential to make $50,000 a year or more (hang around nursing department) and to build your literary and philosophical and artistic taste and bookshelves (whole point of part time college job is to buy books, if you prefer to not work at all then get ebooks) and shitpost on lit and have fun while you're young
then use the money you saved or take out a student loan and get a 2 year degree (it'll only take you one year since you already have the basic requirements and can transfer credits) in something you can actually get a job with and that's in demand and that's not autistic and computer related and that can you make up to $50,000 a year with
then in one year you'll have a combined income of $100,000 with your gf and can move to anywhere you want in the country (arizona is good if you like the outdoors)
you'll actually have a 4 year degree in something you like and that looks good on resumes regardless of what you do
you'll have a 2 year degree in something you can make money with and something you selected after plenty of time considering it
and you will have built up your literary tastes and common big picture historical knowledge at an early age and will have a vast library of hundreds of books you can read after work but won't have to do all the research to find what you like but will be plucking from your wreath
other methods could involve joining military after college but unless you're trained for a civilian job there you'll be fucked when you get out

if you're 18 the most important thing in your life right now is to find a gf before all of the good ones get pregnant
and once you get one gf it's really easy to get 2 and 3 and 4
unless you're lucky, you want to try out several so you can develop taste in women and can quickly spot the troublesome whores by facial features

>>9028669
This desu. All I do is scour the internet for memes, read books, and bang degenerate liberal women. I contribute nothing to society.

>>9029221
impressive

>>9029218
best advice ever

>>9029116
This is quality stuff

who /enfp/ master race?

infj masterrace
we out here

>>9029298
me, but fuck you

>>9028637
You seem very biased

>>9029313

>implying infj is better than infp in the humanities

>>9029182
Ok but why didnt you write the part where you make your masterpiece novel, or painting, or album, or whatever? Dont you want to go beyond being human by creating art? How is that patrician?

Do you consistently receive the same results or fluctuate between some letters?

Infj/isfp here. Lie somewhere in between.

>>9028390
Wow. You're super smart, Anon. Here's a gold star, kiddo.

>>9028595
Can an INTJ's purpose not be to accrue knowledge?

>>9029397
intj/intp depending on the day or test.

>>9029389
idk i think that's something you should work on for decades like montaigne did with his book

>>9029397
I'm INTP, one time almost got INFP, shit was scary
Also I got INFJ in the meme flowchart above
MBTI is such a meme

>>9029408
>spend 5 decades writing a 100 pages novel
>get unpublished
No thanks

>>9028637
Sometimes I get INTP, and other times INTJ. I'd say there a 50/50 chance of either-or.

Does that make me 0.0000001% of the pop?

I'm extremely lonely pls help

>>9029406
INTJ's would accrue knowledge for a purpose. You likely wouldn't find and INTJ learning trivia for fun. They want nothing to do with useless facts. That is very much a trait of a Ti user.

Pretty much every important scientist has been an INTP. All the INTJs I know are arrogant assholes who say they know everything, but are still fuckups at life. I can see why there are a lot of INTJs here.

Also, I'm an INTP.

>>9028637
>thinks in images

Everyone does this.

>>9029441
What do you like to read?

>>9029452
Newton+Hawking+Tesla+Musk>Darwin+Einstein

Im just going by what I found online. Kant is a nice score for INTP though

>>9029465
Hegel didn't, pleb.

>>9028767
I did not make the original post, I only deciphered the garbage

>>9029473
Are there any INTP fiction writers?
Borges seems INTP'ish

>>9029473
tesla = INTJ

>>9029486
lmao nvm i c what u meen

>>9029473
?
>hawking, tesla, musk
lol

Also Newton was definitely an INTP

>>9029473
What? Hawking Tesla and Musk have done absolutely nothing compared to Darwin or Einstein.

So really all you're saying is Newton > Darwin Einstein. Which is dumb since Leibniz invented calculus too. If Einstein had never figured out general relativity, we probably still wouldn't know about it today. It's a radical theory.

>>9029483
I'd think INTPs and Js would be shit at writing.

>>9029441
dude this mbti stuff is obviously bullshit
i'm just being a dick
the functions barely make any sense and there's no reason certain ones have to be linked with each other in symmetrical ways to make 16 exact types
the best way to approach personality is to find several people you respect and write down several characteristics about each of them that you admire and then get that list of characteristics and try to become that person to the best of your ability while keeping in mind your limitations and not being too hard on yourself

>>9029465
Thinking in images requires effort.
My inner monologue is far easier to think with.

>>9029517
What if all the people I admire are fascist dictators?

>>9028875
>mbti neophytes
LMAO

this thread is such pseud garbage, can a janitor dump it at their earliest convenience? thx

>>9029517
>male infj

????

>>9029494
you've never read any newton obviously to think he's INTP.
>>9029498
>All Newton did was invent Calculus
>Hawking isn't as important and innovative as Einstein
>Musk isn't killing himself to save the future of humanity (I'm no fanboy but to disagree with this is to be a luddite litfag)
>Tesla isn't important as we communicate through the internet

Come on boi

i'm sure the test is touching on something since it's using actual descriptions you find in people but it groups characteristics together in ways that don't need to be grouped together and doesn't group in other characteristics that could be grouped together
the only reason this is popular is because it makes stupid boring people feel they have something in common with famous interesting people like albert einstein and william shakespeare
these tests attract people who know nothing about themselves because it gives a simple answer to something it takes years and years to figure out

>>9029494
>>9029473
>>9029452
the whole "taking ownership of another" thru mbti is the most moronic shit ive ever read

this reminds me of when you read those reddit threads on /r/aspergers talking about the famous "aspies" of yore such as Newton and Alexander the Great (didn't you know Alexander was socially inept as well)!

>>9028734
chad

>>9029549
>Hawking isn't as important and innovative as Einstein

i really hope youre trolling

>>9029552
>thinking any discussion of mbti is an attempt to be serious in the first place

>>9028369
Intps are the most logical type, which means that anyone who self identifies as an intp is lying because logical people don't believe in mbti

>>9029531
that was me too

you're all idiots for believing in this garbage

>>9029559
>self identifies

Does anyone actually do this? I'm pretty sure we all got our results from tests.

>>9029563
>i was being fatuous so its ok
not rly t b h

awful thread, awful posters

>>9029498
>>9029557
If you're the same poster this video is for you

>>9029584
well what i said there was actually true based on the mbti

>tfw used to get INTP
>tfw just did the test and got INFP
Am I more or less autistic now?

>>9029588
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AmUI2qf9uyo

>>9029604
could you give a brief summary of their points? or some timestamps where they talk about how hawking is considered a more important scientist than einstein?

i've actually watched this vid but many years ago but i can't remember the content

>>9029466
I'm somewhat new to /lit/, but I'm really liking Dosto and Hesse. In not sure if I should take up the DQ reading group, or finish up Carlos Fuentes's "Death of Artemio Cruz" and start up on Ada from Nabokov. I'm already half way through Super Karamazov Bros., taking small bites out of it every day.

>>9029517
I know personality is malleable. I don't take these tests seriously. I just like to play along with it, you know. Still lonely af, though.

>>9029549
Musk is the new Steve Jobs. So long as people genuinely believe his entrepreneurial showmanship actually presents a viable path to answering human civilization's problems he's not only worthless but also damaging to that very goal.

>>9029604
>>9029624
oh you're talking about the GR would've never been discovered without einstein; yeah that was the other guy, i've never really subscribed to that.

Thanks for reminding me of that great video though

>>9029630
I should have added this earlier but, what are some reasons you like the ones you like? Go into specific detail if you wish. :)

>>9028674
In favours you repited twice.

>>9029637

Jobs made phones. Musk has sent reusable rockets to space and landed them on a drone ship. Stay delusional though.

>>9029553
>>9028734
>>9028930
Yes, we are. Boys what are you reading?

>>9028933
What are your passions?

Let this misery end.

>>9029705
>No one can stop you from dreaming!

yikes

>>9029718
Translating into what that actually means: my mind is consumed by ideals that cannot be met by reality leading to constant depression.

>>9029506
Pretty sure Joyce was considered eother INTJ or INTP. Don't remember the source though, it was this online database of people and their mbti type.
Couldve also been wallace now that I think about it. Or Orwell.

>>9029724
idk the little butterfly hippie looks pretty happy

>>9029705
>>9029724
You're a beta bitch

try r9k

>>9029741
It isn't happy. That website just tries to put a positive spin on things so they can sell you shit.

>>9029745
/lit/ is the tru alpha board

>>9029724
Follow @spacegiko on twitter for a happy INFP

Why is INTJ seen as more desirable?

>>9029705
I got INFP-A, what's the difference?

>>9029808
https://www.16personalities.com/articles/identity-assertive-vs-turbulent

What type do girls find the most attractive?

I got INTJ every time when I was younger and more autistic. These days I get INTP, at the behest of these enjoyably distracting threads. It feels empowering knowing that 1/16th of some arbitrary fountainhead of personality aligns itself perfectly with the life I live.

Thanks for the shitpost, we all need to milk our vanity on occasion.

>>9029816
Also here is the link to their main theory page, which has the differences between each personality trait, with a link to an individual article for each one giving further explanation (scroll down).

https://www.16personalities.com/articles/our-theory

>>9029597
you're just more sad

>>9029957
I'm actually happier because now I know there was no way I could not be a fuck up, and I think my social skills have slightly improved
Maybe being depressed so much time killed some of my brain cells and thats why I'm more of a "muh feels" type

>>9029740
DFW was 100% INTP

>>9029817
CHAD type

>>9029368
Apparently I'm an INFP. What does it mean?

>>9028734
ENTP reporting in.

>>9029221
How did this work? I'm always infj.

>>9028369
OH MY GOD
I WANT TO HAVE SEX SO MUCH WITH THAT SEMEN

>>9030189
https://www.16personalities.com/infp-personality

>>9029779
The refocusing of negative INFP traits into aesthetics cheered me up a bit kind of.

oh look it's horoscopes for autists

>>9028637
Holy shit guess I really am INTJ. I've never before seen such an accurate description for myself, and I consistently get INTJ on all tests too.

Why do you believe there's only 0.001% though? Stats I've seen say 1-2%

>>9029397
Used to take the same MBTI tests constantly in highschool. I would alternate between consistently getting INFP and INTP year by year. Think I'm probably pretty solidly the latter now but ehhh

>>9028667
This. Wtf /lit/? I thought this board was cool but you're proving yourselves incompetent

>>9028369
>>9028637
INTJ: assholes
INTP: flaky losers

>>9028369
Believing in psudoscience?

>>9029399
he's right tho
might as well read someone's horoscope

mtbi and psychometric testing in general are complete quack nonsense
which is exactly what you'd expect a pisces like me to say

>>9029441
I'm strong INT, and then about 55% J 45% P

That said, Meyers Briggs tells you your general default ways of thinking and initial prerogatives. You aren't actually bound by them - you can choose your own behavior. Strong introverts can still act extroverted when they need to (and can get better at it through practice), and vice-versa. Same with the other personality traits the test measures.

In short, Meyers Briggs personality types are descriptive, not prescriptive.

What's the difference between INFJ and INFP?

>22 hours ago
Why haven't the mods deleted this thread.

Meanwhile, my /lit/ threads get taken down after 5 mins.

>>9031697
what were your threads about?

>>9028910
>from the perspective of QM and chaos theory
Please never post again

>>9031704
Braap.

I've taken the MBTI test a few times for school and every time all of the categories are no more than 5% one way or the other. Last time the result given literally said XXSJ because the first two were equally tied and S and j were only 2-3% from exact middle.

Blows my mind how anyone can take these tests and get a clear result. Maybe I'm just too Milquetoast?

>>9029221
>ENTP
Yeah that's right

intj have sex

>>9031697
OP here, I wasnt expecting this thread to last ten minutes.

>>9028637
> projecting this fucking hard

I think I know what someone got when they took the test :^)

>>9029526

Are you a book learner then, as opposed to a visual learner?

Man... I'm so fucking thirsty.

>>9028734

INTJ here just like 60% of 4chan

>>9028910
You are either a god tier troll, freshly 19, or someone I want to punch in the face really hard.

>>9028369
i choose not to categorize myself by arbitrary measures. if you consider me to be a snowflake, i ask all of you why do you all care so much about what some personality test says about you and are you worried that this influence might change who you are?

>>9032242
I don't think anyone takes this seriously, and if they do, well they need to rethink some things. It's just a fun little thing to pass the time, it's kind of nice to have your personality analyzed, and your ego is stroked a little bit, and you find you have some things in common with other "types" like you.

It's just something to waste time, and provoke a little introspective thought. Much like this shitty Ugandan mud hut building forum we all enjoy.

>>9032242
You're definitely an intj

>>9032190
Nah, most of 4chan is INTP's disguised willingly or unwillingly as INTJ's.

True intj's make up a very small minority.

>>9032304
Every time I see this test posted on other boards, I see a ton of "I got INTJ".

I don't know, I don't see this as good or bad. Personally, it doesn't matter much to me.

All I know is I've taken the test many times, and get INTJ every time.

>>9032428
Well INTx's are way overrepresented in 4chan in general. We flock here simply because there's more of us here, which attracts even more likeminded people

It's like a sanctuary for us to whom the world is not a pretty place, and INTx's are also overrepresented when it comes to this worldview.

>>9032443
could not have said it any better

>>9032443
hmmm, very good point

>>9028369
INTP: eccentric autist who isn't socially aware enough to give a fuck, but isn't quite E enough to become one of those spergs who never shuts up about Pokemon. Think Chesterton. Likely to be Continentals.

INTJ: normie autist who realises they're different and desperately tries to rationalise this as proof of their superiority to everyone else. The kind of seething edgelord who writes Percy Jackson self-inserts, only they kill the statist Greek gods with the power of Atheism. Almost always analytics.
>>9028637
Literally everything about INTP and INTJ is the same EXCEPT for the P/J.

Also reminder that these are worse than horoscopes. Yes, worse, because in horoscopes you can devise your own meaning.

>>9032304
Why would you even choose one of the worst results?

>>9028369

sauce?

>>9028637

This is very gratifying.

INTP: deep uncertainty in an uncertain world

INTJ: lol who cares science already proved everything

>>9028637
INTP are 2-5% of population
INTJ are 2-4% of population

ITT: People who took a personality quiz and got INTJ are now trying desperately to feel superior to people with one letter different.

>>9031695
Infjs have their shit together far more than infps.

As in infp, I'd say I spend most of my time trying to manage my emotions and wasting time on unnecessary shit.

When I was living the normie lifestyle in my early 20s I typed ENFJ consistently. When I was a shutin vidya playing neet who loved his mommy I typed INFP fifty times in a row over a span of months. When I did nothing all day but work and study philosophy I typed INTP. Except when I read Nietzsche which turned that into INTJ.

my blog really makes you think huh :/

>>9032705
same.

I went from INTP to ENTP back to INTP with the values constantly shifting between I/E and S/I

This personality test nonsense is astrology for people with delusions of scientific thought.

>inb4 you're an INTJ
Before posting that ask yourself if someone yelling "you're just a pisces with a 45° aspect" at you is going to change your mind about the validity of astrology.

>>9032734
Have you actually studied and looked for personality traits in people based on astrology though? Before you just assumed it was pseudo science because someone told you so?

I don't think I've ever met someone who wasn't confident who was a leo. Maybe introverted or shy but never not confident. THere's certain traits that are very pervasive among signs.

>>9032757
A girl who is big into astrology told me I was a Taurus and that means I'm an idealist.

I think of myself as a pragmatist and I'm incredibly sarcastic. I seriously doubt literally everyone born in April is an idealist.

>>9028637

I know an INTJ and he is literally the most autistic un-diagnosed person I've met.

>>9032734
>This personality test nonsense is astrology for people with delusions of scientific thought.
You're an idiot. You're either parroting someone else you've heard say that, not having thought about it at all or you have thought about it and totally lack critical thinking abilities. I suspect the former.
Here's why. Astrology generally just gives you really vague, one-size fits all answers. Yes, that's garbage. MBTI tests ask you questions then sort you according to your answers. For example, it will ask you questions that all add up to "Do you enjoy socialising?" and if your score for those questions is more no than yes, it'll tell you that you're an introvert. That's not just being vague, that's being correct. It's not much of a science and it's not very useful, as it doesn't tell you anything you don't already know if you think about it, but this "hurr durr it just astrology" shit is completely missing that point and makes you sound like a moron.

>>9032428

We had a thread yesterday and it was like 99% INTP on /lit/. IIRC from other threads there is a better spread between types on other boards, even nerdy ones like /g/ and /sci/.

>>9032772
that's just sun signs though. There's many more factors that alter your personality. Nature + nurture + astrology. Astrological charts are based on lots of things like planets (your sun sign is taurus + you have a moon sign and others) and houses, which are how your signs "express" themselves. So if you had your sun in the 8th house, the house of other peoples resources, you'd be a guy who bums resources off people and engage in riskier behavior. There's also natal aspects, or certain degree measures that correlate to other planets. So if you had two planets in the same sign and they were close together, it would sort of fuse those two energies. So if your sun was conjunct to your jupiter sign you would in that case get a massive boost of whatever energy it was because jupiter enhances shit.

You need perspective though, some signs are more influential than others and generally it goes from most influential to least influential as follows: sun + moon + rising sign (1st house) > other planets > houses > aspects

but that's not always the case.

tl;dr most people don't understand astrology beyond the surface level shit "i'm a scorpio" or "I'm a taurus" when that's maybe 20% of your personality.
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anyways, back to what you were saying, Generalizations are bad to make about earth signs other than that they're generally reliable and practical people (idealist?) Taurus are not that idealistic but they are positive, very emotionally stable, and can be prone to wanting an "excess" in everything. I don't know many but the ones I do know are a bit hedonistic in one area or another, unhealthy food, sexual addiction, drinking or whatever. It could even be an unhealthy obsession with positive stuff.

Taurus is also really stubborn but most of them I know don't get angry that easily at first when people question their stance.

A good rule of thumb for the signs is this:
Air signs (gemini / aquarius / libra) are fickle, sometimes dishonest, social, sometimes really smart.

Fire signs are passionate and usually extroverts (aries, leo and sagittarius)

Water signs are introverts, emotional and usually loyal people (except maybe pisces) (scorpio, cancer and pisces)

Earth are practical, emotionally stable have good common sense and are dependable (virgo, taurus and capricorn)

Is it true that INFPs make the best writers?

>>9032794
>You're either parroting someone else you've heard say that, not having thought about it at all or you have thought about it and totally lack critical thinking abilities. I suspect the former.
Ooh, exciting. I love an argument.

>Astrology generally just gives you really vague, one-size fits all answers.
Sounds familiar to a "personality profile" like you get at the end of an MBTI test.

>For example, it will ask you questions that all add up to "Do you enjoy socialising?" and if your score for those questions is more no than yes, it'll tell you that you're an introvert.
I understand how the test works. The introversion extroversion questions do give statistically reliable results but its also not really necessary to take a test to figure this out. Most people know whether they're an introvert or an extrovert without a test.

The astrology comes in when we consider the other three letter duos.

>Thinking - Feeling
This also is relatively based in reality. They just ask you if you care more about Ideas or people and this is again something that you can usually just know about yourself without a test.

>iNtuitive - Sensing.
Now we really get to the bullshit. From what I've gathered an Intuitive is supposed to be creative/individualand a Sensor is supposed to be more rigid. So they ask you questions like "do you like to follow your own instincts, or to follow the group?" and nearly everyone is probably going to say they follow their own instincts because it's a core cultural value in the US and EU weather or not they actually do. So the net result of the test is skewed.

>Judging - Perceiving
This one is also bullshit. The judger is "goal oriented" and the perceiver is "idea oriented" but it falls into the same trap as the N-S Duo in that our culture values goal oriented behavior more than "idea oriented" (whatever the fuck that means because it sounds a lot like the idea for what an intuitive is supposed to be).


Anyway, the key here is that it's very hard to get people to answer honestly about themselves when things might be negative. And ideologically, it is claimed that there isn't a hierarchy between these duos but come on. ISFP is the fucking worst stereotype, just think about it and be honest. Self evaluation using an online test is a terrible way to determine someone's personality because the results are likely to reflect the person they wish they were rather than the one they are.

>>9032831
lmao, I am not going to read this fucking voodoo man.

It's a more complex fortune cookie. Holy shit, mate. All this shit including mbti are just confirmation bias. Readings that are vague enough to fit any life as long as you can pick out parts of it and apply them to others do that you only see things that line up.

>>9032905
>Sounds familiar to a "personality profile" like you get at the end of an MBTI test.
At least finish reading my post before you start responding to it.
>So the net result of the test is skewed because people won't answer it correctly
>Blah blah expounding on that statement
Yes, it is a self-reported test, all self-reported tests are skewed in that they rely upon honest answers. That doesn't mean people can't answer them honestly, or won't know that they answered it dishonestly. It is still worlds (stars?) away from astrology's completely unfounded statements.

>>9032926
The point is that it all relies on the same stuff. It relies on what you remember about yourself and how you view yourself. And anyone's memory is selective.

Here's a test. What's your type and from talking to me, what do you think my type is?

>>9032947
>The point is that it all relies on the same stuff.
That's obviously untrue. Astrological types are things that are vague to the point that any one can describe anyone. Even if you assume that all MBTI results are wrong because they're relying on your own perception of yourself, that's still a different mechanism for the bias.
Regardless, people tend to know whether or not they're introverted or extroverted, or whatever the other things are. It's not as though it's telling you that you're kind or empathetic, which are much harder things to have self-knowledge of.
Even if it's just telling you who you think you are, all people who get those particular results are people who view themselves the same way and that is a trait they undeniably share.

>>9032914
But see, first you say if you make a big generalization that it's not possible, then if there's more depth and consideration you say it's confirmation bias.

Why are you so opinionated when you haven't even given it a chance?

I don't think it's moronic to look into something before you write it off because someone told you to, but do what you want it's your life.

>>9032956
So, go back and read my post from before because you clearly didn't.

Both the I-E and T-F dichotomy aren't terrible and there's a statistical backing for the results but N-S and J-P are nonsense.

Here, just give me concrete definitions for an intuitive, a sensor, a judger and a Perciever are.

>>9032984
Yeah no I'm not going to do that because I either lack the background knowledge to defend those types or you've made a valid point there that I was too eager to jump in with anti-anti rhetoric to have considered in the first place.

>>9031684
INTP and INTJ don't have a single cognitive function in common, they aren't very similar types

Are there any ENFP writers? I always get that result when I test it.

>>9033043
And here is another key problem. People will limit the things they think they can do based on the result of one of these tests.

>>9033055
Nah just curious, my actual study and interest doesn't follow that MBTI type at all.

>>9033005
All I can tell you is what the tests tell me, which is that I am strong towards I, N, and T (75%+), whereas on the J/P, it's 55% J, 45% P. I guess when I was younger it was closer to 60/40.

But again, the important thing to keep in mind is that these tests are descriptive, not prescriptive. If you've done even a little introspection or self-analysis, your results shouldn't be a surprise.

And we can always choose to act differently than we might initially be inclined to ask (though doing so may take more effort).

>>9033084
Yeah most tests get caught up with those dichotomies instead of the cognitive functions which makes little sense, it's probably because it's easier to score in order to automatically get some kind of an evaluation.
The T in INTP refers to introverted thinking while the T in INTJ refers to extraverted thinking, they are not the same. This goes for the entire stack.
http://personalityjunkie.com/04/introverted-thinking-ti-intp-vs-intj-extraverted-thinking/

>>9030791

flaky losers that have the capacity to create weapons of unimaginable horror

but only an INFJ would be a big enough faggot to use the shit because they had PMS that day

>>9033201
>create weapons of unimaginable horror
wtf? this isn't the /a/nime board.

>>9028637
>implying intjs aren't the most autistic type
the projection is real
(esfj here)

>>9032983
>the position of the planets at birth determines your personality
Physically impossible. Even Scientology is less stupid than believing in fucking horoscopes. At least it's *possible* that aliens landed and did shit a long time ago.

>>9028390
>>9028664
>>9028667
>>9028745
>>9030424

a lot of intjs are just autistic, not actual intjs

INTJ-A here. What are my hopes of finding a compatible gf who is also a qt? Should I just abandon the search?

>>9033757 But what's the difference?

>>9033766
uhh INTJ are interesting to talk to, draw the crowds when they find a place to speak

autists just ramble on, usually use the word 'kek' online, general shit heads, sound weird

I think I am a genuine INTJ, am I wrong? What should I do? I'm 22, make an incredible amount of money managing a team of developers all of which are 10+ years older than me, and believe I have an extreme intelligence. Where does the world need me? I fear I may become something dangerous.

For all the babbies ITT doing the test for the first time I'd recommend reading Jung's Psychological Types. A big part of his theory is influenced by his reading of Kant, which he brings into psychology as the subject's relationship to the object (primarily introversion-extraversion)

It also helps to think of your 'Type' as a kind of psychical handedness - as in left-handed right-handed handedness. All humans have two hands in the same way they have four cognitive functions. The habitual use of the function is the primary factor in the psychological type. The 'INTP' uses introverted thinking in the same way the 'right hander' uses his right hand. Effortlessly. Both are able to (and do) use the other functions/hand but not in the same way they use the dominant. The Myers-Briggs tests dress this up a bit and make it seem 'astrological', but Jung at his core is pretty rational

>>9028637
>mfw I'm INTJ

>tfw I'm an INFP -A/-T

Should I just kill myself right now desu?

>>9028682
Except that I am an INTJ woman.
Wondering if an INTJ man would find those qualities attractive.

I am INTJ. Problem is I have a turbulent temperament.

>>9028369
>believes in typology

>>9029221
spoopy

>>9029182
>tfw i genuinely feel my life choices have been validated because some shitposter declared them 'patrician'
i always suspected i was retarded but now i know for sure

INTP: Pathetic loser
INTJ: Edgy loser

INTJ - not autistic

INTP - not not autistic

Completely different cognitive functions:

INTJ>NiTeFiSe
INTP>TiNeSiFe

INTP's are more logical in the traditional sense, since they actually lead with a thinking function. While INTJ's lead with intuition, making them more insightful and observant, more like a sage or a prophet.

>>9028637
I'm an INTJ.
I'm very weak on the INT points, that is to say I'm close to the other side of the spectrum, but my J is overwhelming.

>>9035031
I know this is between INTJ and INTP but I feel obliged to post this

JUST

Ah wait, here's a better chart

>>9029221
Regarding the graph layout, it's totally unnecessary that the creators wanted to have all the E-types stick together. If you'd have an honest tree or a radial layout, things would be more clear.

On those long tests, I always end up ENTJ. That's also where I end up in the graph, if I choose "I'm weird" at the start." I don't think I'm weird, so I instead ended up at ISTJ the first time.

>>9029473
>Kant is a nice score for INTP though

The difference between INTP and INTJ is Perception vs. Judgement.

Kant is on team perception: Though he wrote "Critique of Judgement"

How do you be considered one of histories great philosophers, and not have, utilize or be good at 'judgement'?

Who I/E N/S T/F J/P master race here?

>>9029645
Lack of response would suggest you are an INTP

>>9035320
>how to show everyone you've never read Kant in five seconds

>>9028369
neither terms signify anything meaningful so since ordinary meaning analysis can't apply to the terms of the question the question itself is technically unanswerable and therefore also signifies nothing.

Seems like intp is more concerned with accuracy and logical validity and intj is more concerned with vision and concrete ideas.

either way, none of this even matters if you all you guys do is just sit at home posting frogs on a message board.

>>9028637
You're an asshole, but you're not exactly wrong the vast majority of us INTPs you're are pretty accurate, however the INTPs who are on the boarder of Extroverted and Introverted are the best kind. Im very socialized and make friends fairly easy. I do have a propensity of as you say

>(rambles on and on about stupid shit nobody cares about)

However being aware of this helps and diverting energy in healthy ways are a great source of not being an annoying asshole. I don't exactly enjoy being INTP however i do enjoy contemplating the nuances of and occurrence and finding a accurate model of said phenomena. I enjoy my eccentricity and can parley that into being a unique individual that as I have observed people find interesting.

Missing the J trait i find to be an attribute, it allows me to extend myself into many cliques and walks of life. I The P aids me in objectivity and logical discourses. Which most people find boring. Again being aware of that helps greatly.

Also Abraham Lincoln and Tina Fey are both INTPs and most people agree that is a seemingly unrelated walks of life. Don't underestimate our autism. We can be a very diverse crowd in the upper tiers of our personality.

>>9028369
Being best friends with a INTJ i can tell you we're extremely different. INTJs get very annoyed by my eccentricity and what they perceive to be uncoordinated and scattered thinking that generally INTPS cannot bother to articulate but sufficed to say are not as scattered as they perceive. Also the judging can get quite annoying, everything that is not supported by logic and inside the INTJs realm of approved lifestyle and behavior will usually end in debate which is very unlikely to sway the INTJ. Also INTJ can be very boring, they seem to get stuck and lack spontaneity and look down upon the INTPs lack of seemingly cohesive behavior. We both have much in common and enjoy intelligent discourse which will always lie as a bedrock of friendship.

>>9032831
Not everyone matches their astrological sign, Sagittarius and I fit my astrological sign type exactly. Belief is a strong word but I am open and interested because of it. But I don't believe it to be a set in stone rule.

>>9028942
you're in the same personality type as Adolf Hitler. Im jelous

>>9028369
God almighty, I'm in love with this woman

>>9032003
lol

>>9032003

intp have paid sex

>>9028369
what do if I'm once intj and other time intp?

>>9035560
>>how to show everyone you've never read Kant in five seconds
>How to not answer my question in 5 seconds.

In what way did Kant lack Judgement? How many words did he write in total? Did he not judge to choose each one?

>>9029063
>Hmmm it is not supposed to do that
>Logician

>mfw used to be an autistic and somewhat lonely INTP in high school
>get to university get a gf that dumps me, slowly drifting to INFP and muh feels, now feel worse for people and am crying more easily

I want off the feel express.

>>9037236

i always get INFP in tests but i haven't cried in like 8 years. i'm not even trying to be cool when i say that. i've been plenty sad and depressed but haven't cried.

is this normal for an INFP? maybe i keep getting the wrong type. i might be an INFJ right on the edge of INFP..

>>9037296
It's probably more related to your personality.
The types are not set in stone anyway and it very much depends on how you're feeling at the moment.
This is a bit annoying because I'd like to categorise myself and be done with it but I assume most people are between 2-3 types anyway.

>>9029221
Surprisingly accurate. I am a lazy weird socially adept mild cunt who thinks chakras are bullshit.

>>9037296
>infp
>i always get INFP in tests but i haven't cried in like 8 years. I

Bro, I haven't cried in close to 20 years, but get INFP every time.

Luckily, MBTI is proven to be bullshit:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/adam-grant/goodbye-to-mbti-the-fad-t_b_3947014.html

>>9029604
Bro Hawking is a joke in comparison. Richard Feynman once figured out black hole emissions, thought it was kind of neat, and then erased it from the blackboard thinking it wasn't a big deal. He did that shit because he was bored. This was like 10 years before hawking did it. Hawking is only famous because he's handicapped.

People like Steven Weinberg, Feynman, Gell-Mann, Witten, those are the top people in physics and none of them have done a fraction of what Einstein did.

Einstein figured out special relativity, proved the existence of atoms, proved electrons are emitted in quantas of energy, and mass energy equivalence in a year. All those things would have been done by other people around that time sooner or later, they're not too radical, but for one guy to do it all in a year is fucking insane. This directly lead into the founding of Quantum Mechanics.

Then 10 years later he upended the existing theory of gravity based on his own completely original ideas. No one else was anywhere near what he figured out. It was pretty much out of the blue.

So he changed our conception of time, started quantum mechanics, proved atoms, and showed mass contains energy. Then he completely upends our theory of gravity.

No one has even come close to contributing that much to science besides: Newton, Darwin, Faraday. That's it, 3 other dudes. Everyone else is shit tier by comparison. Especially hawking.

>>9038555
>Faraday
>not Tesla

>>9028369
Is this character test in any way accurate?

>>9038609
No. It's basically fancy astrology and DnD's morality system combined. It's fun to think about it, though.

>>9038603
Tesla was a good engineer and inventor, not a scientist.

>>9038609
http://www.smithsonianmag.com/smart-news/the-myers-briggs-personality-test-is-pretty-much-meaningless-9359770/

>>9037296
I am INFP (male) and I have to choke back tears fairly often from thinking of something that is too emotional. Only certain things will trigger it though. Last time I actually cried was a few days ago but that doesn't happen often.

>>9038609
It is more accurate to use the Big Five personality model, but MTBI itself is just a weak version of the Big Five.

>>9039131
I tried taking one of these and I found the questions to be very unclear.

>>9039229
Alot of it is contrived.

Honestly, a real personality assessment is better done by an actual clinical psychologist with expertise in personality.

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how is this whole bullshit any different from astrology?
don't bother answering

>>9028637
Autist INTJ spotted, kys lol

t. xxxP master race

>>9028731
gtfo we dont want truth in here

>>9028595
There is some truth in this, but it is an oversimplification.

Put even more generally, "P" types tend to do things just to do them. They may not have a goal in mind and may not formulate methods for the implementation of new knowledge after acquiring it. The knowledge itself is the end.

J types, on the other hand, have the tendency to relate acquired knowledge to the real world in ways geared towards implementation.

So, while both types may read for the sake of accruing knowledge, or simply out of interest, an INTP will be less likely compelled to put the knowledge into action than an INTJ.

Again, these are gross oversimplifications. In a moment I will try and explain the differences between the INTJ and INTP types.

>Explanation coming shortly.

>>9028731
>life is a banquet and many girls would rather take the dick of the one that doesn't waste their time dwelling about such useless malarkey

Ask me how I know you're a pseud.

Do any of the results ever describe negative traits the personality types have? I know it's basically horoscopes but you'd think they'd at least try to make it seem like a more complete personality profile.

INFJ for the record.

>>9039316
This one does, though it still tries to be positive overall:

https://www.16personalities.com/personality-types

INTP: Brahms
INTJ: Beethoven

>horoscopes
I bet you all believe in IQ.

>>9028369
Not as much as you think because myers briggs is kind of bullshit.
It piggybacks of the work of Jung who interpreted it more as a spectrum of traits. Everyone is uniquely introverted or extroverted.

You cant put people in little boxes like this. Like when I do the test I'm INFP, but I know for a fact I can be pretty cold and analytical in my asessment of people and what they say and do.

>>9039304
I should probably mention that I am an INTJ.

I have several roommates, three of which are the remaining NT types. This has given me some perspective on the NT types, the dynamics within the NT sphere, and other type spheres in relation to NT. I will try to summarize the differences between these two NT types well, as Jungian Typology is a complex and often misunderstood system.

To understand the differences between INTP and INTJ, you must understand the functions they possess, their function stacks, and the interrelation of the types within the NT sphere.

First off, NTs are thus named because they all have a preference for Thinking and Intuition over Sensing and Feeling.

It is important to understand that these four functions are interrelated. Sensing and Intuition are two poles of the same rod. They are both perceptive functions, and as such, are more concerned with perceiving data than drawing conclusions about data. Every person has biases for which functions they prefer which have been built over time. When a person begins to prefer Intuition to Sensing, they naturally repress the S functions. Likewise, when a person begins to prefer the Extroversion of Intuition over the Introversion of it, they naturally introvert the Sensing function. This is because only one of the Perceiving functions may be directed at the subjective internal world, and only one may be directed at the objective external world.

The same is true of the Judging Functions (so called because they are concerned with placing values upon the objects of their focus) - Thinking and Feeling. By preferring Thinking over Feeling the latter is naturally repressed, and by, for example, introverting thinking, then feeling naturally gets extroverted.

It may help to picture these relationships as an I-shaped see-saw. Each side of the see-saw is a function, and each side of the tips of the I is the introversion or extroversion of that function. You must choose a place to sit, and when you do, that naturally affects the position of the other related functions.


With that said, lets look at the preferences of the INTJ v. the INTP.

The INTJ functions are Ni, Te, Fi, Se.

The INTP functions are Ti, Ne, Si, Fe.

For those unfamiliar with functions, the lowercase letters at the end ('e' and 'i') stand for Extroversion and Introversion respectively. The uppercase letters stand for the functions. T thus stands for Thinking, F for Feeling, N for Intuition, and S for Sensing. With this in mind, Ne would be read as Extroverted Intuition, and Ni would be read as Introverted Intuition, etc.,.

You see that both types, as noted above, prefer T and N, however, the INTJ interfaces with the world through the perceptive function of Ni and feeds this information to Te, while the INTP does this via the Judging function of Ti fed to Ne.

It is important for us to understand what this means then. Let's begin with a comparison of Te and Ti.

>continued in next post

>>9039316
It is absolutely NOT basically horoscopes.

This misconception exists because so few of the people in the MBTI community actually understand the system.

By understanding the functions and how they interrelate, you will understand the blind spots and potential weaknesses of the types.

Likewise you should look into Jung's theory of Ego Development and Individuation.

Here is a site which covers Ego Development and many potential problems each type may have.

http://mbti-notes.tumblr.com/

>>9039355
INTP: Nietzsche, Kierkegaard, Hegel and the Sophists

INTJ: reddit philosophy, Kant, Aristotle and that faggot Plato

HOLY FUCK

CLOSE THE THREAD

/lit/ the lit stands for LITerature

not "losers interpreting tests"

>>9039428
It's mostly a joke.

>>9039372
Extroverted Thinking (Te), is an extroverted judging function which works Inductively.

This means that Te is concerned with facts in the outside world and the reasons why these facts are as they are. It draws conclusions Inductively, meaning, it is more concerned with probabilities than with absolutes. However, this does not mean the INTJ is unaware of the uncertainty inherent in inductive reasoning, or that they are incapable of deductive logic - it merely suggests a preference, and the reverse is true of the INTP.

The inductive nature of Te reveals one potential INTJ weakness. Inductively drawing conclusions from facts means your conclusions can be wrong because you have unknowingly missed or overlooked facts which, if known, would have altered the probabilities in favor of other hypotheses.

Ti, on the other hand is an introverted judging function which is Deductive. The introversion of the thinking function, means it is brought into the subjective internal world before being related to the world of externals (which applies to any introverted function). This makes Ti more contemplative than Te, as it is always being related to the information already possessed by the Ti user. Additionally, the deductive nature of Ti makes the INTP theory-oriented. Deductive reasoning is more concerned with collecting data in support of a theory, rather than the facts for their own sake, and therefore more prone to knowingly leave facts on the table if the Ti user considers them irrelevant. Whereas the Te user will rarely leave facts aside intentionally. Also, as the Ti user is reaching conclusions deductively, the conclusions reached by the INTP will generally be the only conclusions which can be reached if the INTP's premises are accepted. Whereas the INTJ is more oriented toward ambiguity - for additional reasons which we will examine in a moment.

Keep in mind, I am simplifying. If the distinctions between Induction and Deduction are less concrete for you, I would highly recommend doing further study on these subjects.

To further comprehend these two we must look at Ni v. Ne.

>continued in next post

>>9039428
The test is based of a work of literature. Carl Jung's "Psychological Types," as well as many of his other works which flesh out the concepts contained within Psychological Types.

The only one who "loses" anything is the person who places arbitrary values on a subject before understanding it properly.

>tfw INTJ
>tfw I think scientism and STEM-fetishism is completely retarded
>tfw basically every INTJ is a reddit autist who doesn't read literature

truly suffering

>>9039395
Wrong.

Plato is a great man, first of all, and an INFJ. Kant is an INTP. Aristotle is an ENTJ. Nietzsche is an INTJ. Hegel is INTJ. Kierkegaard is an INFP. The sophists' types varied from person to person.

You are wrong on almost all counts here, friend.

Also, if you think Nietzsche, a classical philologist, would have considered Aristotle and Plato Reddit philosophy, you're mistaken. His very first works were on the Greeks. Also, Kierkegaard regarded the Greek philosophers in high esteem from what I understand.

>>9028369
Bra is a little small

>>9039468
Oh, so every single INTJ person is the same as every other?

No, don't be stupid. You can't even read my comment, so why should I expect you to have read any philosophers?

You: 4 Me: Fifty-three

>>9028734
Master Race reporting in
>>9029665
Anna Karenina

>>9039456
Join the the infj master race. All the benefits without being an autist.

>>9039484
Or just be an INTP, like a normal abnormal person.

>>9039446
Introverted Intuition, the INTJ's dominant function, is perceptive. It is a largely subconscious collection and synthesis of data.

I've heard it said, by people within the Jungian community whom I respect, that Ne works like connecting the dots. However, I must disagree. I think Ni works more like connecting the dots, with one distinction. When you are playing a connect the dots, you see all of the dots. Ni does not. It begins at a specific dot, or collection of dots, and works linearly exploring the connections to gradually flesh out the entirety of the picture and all of it's interrelations. Ne on the other hand, begins in this grandiose nebula of ambiguity and finds points within the cloud to examine. Once the point is in focus Ne seeks to look at it from all perspectives - like an object in a hall of mirrors - giving Ne the appearance of connecting the dots, but it is more like rays of light bouncing off a central object and reflecting to the Ne user from varying points on the same object to give a full 3D rendering of the object in view.

The similarity of these two perceptive functions, however, is that they are both inherently big-picture oriented.

So, with these four functions in mind, we can begin to see the differences in INTP v. INTJ.

An INTJ begins with the perceptive collecting and data synthesis of Ni, and this information is fed to Te which begins thinking about this information in relation to the world of external facts, inductively.

The INTP begins with an object of thought in the naturally deductive, naturally theorizing realm of Ti. This information gets fed to the perceptive function Ne which then examines the object of thought from as many angles as possible.

Here however, we see a potential weakness of the INTP appear. As the Ne function is working within the confines of the Ti domain, the INTP can have difficulty seeing the relationships between the object of thought and anything which has not already been examined and catalogued by the INTP - as Ne working in service of Ti, rather than the reverse, like an ENTP, makes the intuitive connections which are natural for INTJ and ENTP more difficult for the Thinker-Intuiters, ENTJ and INTP.

Conversely, the hyper-pragmatic cataloging and systematizing which comes naturally to INTP and ENTJ is much more conscious in ENTP and INTJ, whose natural domain is the far more ambiguous realm of Intuitive-Perception over the concrete realm of Thought-Objects.

This brings us to the tertiary and repressed functions of INTJ and INTP - Feeling and Sensing.

I'm late, but INTP = sad geek, INTJ = angry geek

>>9039476
Far from it, but these philosophers Jung types have been debated by experts for a long period of time.

I took these typings from Celebrity Types, whose work I consider accurate.

Also, I am an INTJ who lives with an ENTP, ENTJ, and INTP. I have daily experience with the types and am fairly well-versed in Jungian Typology.

I am currently expounding on the differences between INTP and INTJ for OP's sake, as you see here:

>>9039304
>>9039372
>>9039446
>>9039492

Also, I had no trouble reading your comment.

>>9039503
>I took these typings from Celebrity Types, whose work I consider accurate.
And that was your mistake.

Buying into the meme of MBTI was your root mistake. You do all philosophers, except the analytics, a grave disgrace by going so far as to mention their names.

Also, I think I already proved you didn't read my comment. Of course, to know that you'd have to -- well, read my comment.

You: -1 Me: Eighty-7

>>9035064
>Hitchens
>introverted

Full baka, senpai.

>>9039492
Introverted Feeling (Fi) is primarily concerned with the world of internal values. This means, all things - objects, people, ideas, aesthetics, etc., get placed within the Fi value system, and the Fi user is building and exploring this internal world of emotion continuously. This is especially obvious in the two Fi dominant types, ISFP and INFP.

However, unlike the ISFP and the INFP, whose Fi value system comes before any other processes, the INTJ subjects this internal world of feeling to the realm of Intuitive Thought Judgements which have been created via Ni and Te.

This makes INTJ's prone to use of particular aesthetic imagery, as this imagery has been associated with ideas from the Ni/Te realms and appropriated to the Fi world.

Take for example the grandiose imagery of Nietzsche or Rand.

Also important, although Feeling has been subjected to thought, it is not fully repressed as in the ENTJ.

Like the ENTJ, the INTP has also fully repressed their feeling. However, the INTP has repressed the world of Fi so fully that they may scarcely ever be aware of it. Rather, the INTP struggle is in the world of Extroverted Feeling.

Extroverted Feeling (Fe) is dealing with the environment. Since this is a realm of feelings this environment has to be a social one, making Fe the function dealing with social harmony, and the focused on how one's self and others are perceived within the social sphere.

This is what gives INTP's their characteristic social awkwardness, as well as their quiet-warmth. Due to Fe's repression, the INTP can struggle to understand the emotional state of others, and, in a deeper sense, never does. This is more the realm of Fi. Rather, the INTP, like the ENTP is concerned with harmony and appearances. This can make INTPs and ENTPs dismissive of those who they believe cannot understand social expectations.

On the other hand, the INTJ and ENTJ's characteristic dismissive condescension is due to Fi's tendency to trust the internal barometer and disregard how one may be perceived in the social sphere.

Now to examine the last function pair, Se and Si.

NOTE: It may be important to notice that the repression of feeling, or of sensing, has occurred due to the dominant preference for its opposite - thinking and intuition, respectively.

>con't in next post

>>9039510
Yea, yea.

As I've said. You don't understand it, and therefore, are not qualified to comment.

>>9039587
No. You haven't said that. Not that it matters; you're wrong. You are claiming I don't understand homeopathy because I am not a practitioner, and therefore cannot comment on it.

You: -299 Me: Thirty-four.888

>>9039395
>Nietzsche
>INTP
That's dense.

>Kierkegaard
>INTP
I'm laughing at you

>Kant
>INTJ
Come the fuck on.

>Aristotle
>INTJ
You're a retard.

>>9039595
INTJ master race btw

Is INTJ vs INTP basically a pleb version of continentals vs analytics?

>>9039599
Well met, friend. I've been conducting a similar discussion with him.

Also, INTJ btw.

>>9039606
My friend, I was making fun of you.

>>9039602
Read my explanations if you really want to know. It is merely a summary and there is far more to explore, but it should give you a basic idea.

Start here: >>9039372

>>9039608
Sarcasm can be hard to discern on the internet.

I never insulted the man, however.

I merely stated the obvious, at least to anyone who understands - which is, that he does not.

>>9039614
Excellently argued, sir! You cogently and expertly - I must say, expertly side-stepped his uncivil ad-hominem, and showed yourself to be the scholar we all knew you were. I hope you have a good day, as a fellow gentleman, and as a fellow INTJ. So good day!

>Myers-Briggs

I mean, it's a little better than star signs, but not by a huge margin.

special snowflake, the thread

>>9039634
No dude, it's scientifically proven. You just don't know

>>9039584
Extroverted Sensing (Se) can be said to be the most rooted in the present of all functions. It is dealing with the concrete world of immediate sense data - sight, smell, touch, etc.,....

Introverted Sensing (Si) is said to be the most difficult to describe of all functions. As an INTJ, I am unfamiliar with it, save through family and friends, and so I will attempt to describe it using examples garnered from experts and my roommates.

Si, like Se, is dealing with immediate sense data, however, it does this by relating the immediate sense data to all past experiences with related subject material. Picture someone stepping back from themselves in the moment, and in a mosaic-like fashion, exploring the object of their senses through the relationship it has with past experiences.

I like to think of it like a library of memories. These memories are concrete catalogues of all kinds of sense data - including emotional. Si dominants, the ISFJ and the ISTJ, have very strong memories typically because of this.

The INTP has Si in a tertiary role. This means that the Ti object which has now been explored through Ne gets categorized and catalogued into the Si domain - in relation to the already existing data the INTP has within their database.

It is only after this process that the INTP begins to deal with the Fe world of external feeling values. This is why most INTP's prefer not even to deal with this feeling world, as it is generally regarded as a distraction from the objects of their more dominant processes - which harmonize more easily.

The INTJ, on the other hand, has fully repressed Se. Like the ENTP, who also represses the world of sense data, this gives the INTJ a natural detachment from physical reality, and even a level of abstraction from one's own physical body (although the ENTP has the worst of this).

Just like with Fi, the subjugation of Se to the other functions means that INTJ's are prone to strong aesthetic preferences in the physical world. These aesthetics have been related to the appropriated ideals of the Fi world, which have been defined in relation to the Ni/Te judgements.

Because of this, INTJs generally have an observable sense of well-defined personal style, though, not nearly so well defined as types with more dominant Se - like the ESFP or the ISFP.

So, in summary, the INTJ loop works something like this:

Ni data is collected, largely subconsciously, synthesized and fed to Te which contemplates this information in relation to the external world of concrete facts. The ideas formed from this process are valued by the Fi function, which appropriates those ideas which it most values into the internal world of emotion, and finally, all of this information is connected to the world of external sense data - creating easily discernible preferences for particular aesthetics and physical activities.

>>9039686
NOTE: the repression of Se in INTJs is what gives them their characteristic tendency toward either ruthless abstinence of glutinous overindulgence.

INTP summary:

The thought-objects chosen by Ti are examined from a flurry of perspectives via Ne. This is then related to, and placed within, its relevant grouping within the Si database. It is through, and after, these processes that the INTP interacts with the Fe world of social harmony - giving them their characteristic social awkwardness, warmth, and objectivity.

I hope this summary helps you OP, and anyone else who is interested.

>>9039493
>INTP = sad geek, INTJ = angry geek

Straight and to the point!

>>9039704
Not OP but it helped a lot, thanks for posting

Jung is the shit most definitely. What a grand thinker.

>>9039820
You're welcome. I agree completely. His mind was operating at a level so far beyond the common sphere it is difficult to imagine.

For example, my ENTP roommate is a linguist, and we were discussing the English metaphors surrounding the word "sense."

After about twenty or thirty minutes of discussing this, we realized English use of 'sense' is almost always related to either physical stimulus or intuitive perception. At this realization, we were astonished to recognize that Jung had already known this and incorporated it, almost as a footnote, into his definitions of the Sensing and Intuitive functions!

I found it quite astonishing.

(Note: We weren't even considering Jung or MBTI at the time, it was just turned out to be related.)

>>9039972
Have you read his book "The Red Book"? It's his personal diary, published posthumously. He referred to it as his most important work.

>>9039981
Really?

No, I haven't. I've only recently delved into Jung at all. I'll definitely have to add that one to my reading list.

>>9040005
It's about his spiritual journey, illustrated by himself quite wonderfully.

>>9040016
I'm very interested in his views regarding the relationship of psychoanalysis to the spiritual (i.e., alchemy).

I read a lot of Yeats - who was also very into alchemy, and although I don't ascribe to them, I find esoteric belief systems fascinating.

Did you mean spiritual in that way, or a more general one (which would still be interesting)?

>>9040055
I didn't quite get what you said

It's Jung's chronicle of his soul's journey during this incarnation.

>>9040061
I meant, is it connecting psychoanalysis with alchemy like his works "Psychology and Alchemy," and "Man and His Symbols," but I understand what you mean now.

I am still interested.

>>9040087
No its not a scientific work whatsoever.

He wrote it for himself. He showed very few people his journal while he was alive, for fear of having his scientific validity threatened. Still, his intentions were for it to be published eventually, as he did consider it his most important work.

It's just a diary where he wrote about all the spiritual, supernatural stuff that happened to him

>>9040112
That sounds fascinating.

>>9039361
If only you understood how typical a response is your own for a dominant Fi user.

INTP's do this: