/lit/ - Literature

>>9398017
Just ask God to show you.

I thoroughly debunked it in my diary desu

>>9398017
>moral nihilism
That's an oxymoron, you moron.

>>9398036
you are either trolling or too retarded to warrant a reply, but here it is anyway

Technically moral nihilism is contingent on God's non-existence, so it starts out with a fiddy percent.

>>9398041
>hurr durr I believe in nothing -- except for common decency
a retard is you

>>9398081
Nihilism just means there is no inherent meaning to the universe/life. Not that we cant give it our own meaning.
Im a nihilist but that doesnt mean i go around stealing and killing cuz "hur dur it doesnt matter anyway"

>>9398119
No, it means that you use the structures of the culture like a child uses help wheels. What for, what for. Whim or ploy; to drown before sleep.

>>9398017
>moral nihilism
Is it what this guy's practicing?

>>9398119
Morality is the priority of those inherent values you have yet to remove from things.

>>9398017
ok u stupid pseud

>>9398119
If value is entirely subjective it is meaningless.

It's a contradiction, you're just a retard.

>>9398166
>If value is entirely subjective it is meaningless.
>people this stupid actually think they should engage in discussions

>>9398131
Okay guy ill just stop goin to work, stop paying rent, lay on the floor and wait to die cuz it doesnt matter regardless

>>9398119
>Nihilism just means there is no inherent meaning to the universe/life. Not that we cant give it our own meaning.
You are describing existentialism or absurdism. Nihilism is a position that explicitly states that we can't assign meaning to anything. The only natural state of a true nihilist is being dead. Maybe just sort yourself out before trying to apply labels. They really won't impress that girl anyways.

>>9398174
Feel free to refute it then instead of using a meme image and an ad-hominem FALLACY.

What if one person's value, which they gave their life meaning with, much as you did yours, is directly in opposition to your system? Is one more right? More valid? You cannot have ethics without some conception of the divine.

>>9398017
God loves you anon.

>>9398133
Yes.

It must be exhausting.

>>9398196
So nobody ever has been a true nihilist? Cuz they choose to eat over starve?

>>9398198
>lermontov
>meme image

kys famalam

what does Stirner say about morality?

>>9398017
'Muh feels' is a legitimate argument against moral nihilism.

>>9398244
>lermontov
>not a meme
Let me guess, you're "into" Russian literature

>>9398198
>it's a literal babby trying to argue dogmatic absolutism with his 9th grade meta-ethical revelations
Okay.

>>9398368
are you quite literally 14 years old? please leave

>>9398017
>Morals are socially necessary.
>Humans are social animals
>Therefore humans need morals

>>9398385
>no
>yes
>no

>>9398244
>>9398370
Nice replies, I especially liked the part where you didn't provide any arguments

>>9398385
Is-ought fallacy

>>9398017
you're stupid, read Kant

oh, right, sorry, if you're stupid you kan't

>>9398696
Cunt.

>>9398696
Please leave

I don't like it, therefore it is invalid.

>>9398017
the definition of one precludes the other

>>9398017
moral nihilism is believeing god exists :^)

>>9398790
Lol Christians are so desperate to convert people. It's kind of endearing.

>>9398831
What ?
Are you retarded?

>dude nothing matters lmao
>except this thing called morals which was imposed on me by society and religion

>when OP doesn't know legitimate's meaning
>when the other 22 unique IPs don't either
Legitimacy could be argued to only be available under moral nihilism as it values the law above the individual and group, the utility of the law, the efficacy and efficiency of the law, and reality.

>>9398334
It's bullshit.

>>9398385
If the only purpose of morality is to organize society, then if man is removed from society, morality is useless. Your argument is bad and you should feel bad.

>>9398855
idiot

The amount of retards in this thread is astounding
Have we found a new litmus test for retardation??

>>9400206
I'm right there with you. People think so black and white with morality. It's not that simple.

>>9398242
Plenty of people have committed suicide by starvation

>>9398166
How new are you, and where did you come from?
I am genuinely curious, not trying to trash you or anything.

>>9398196
>Nihilism is a position that explicitly states that we can't assign meaning to anything.
It literally doesn't.

Nihilism: the rejection of all religious and moral principles, often in the belief that life is meaningless.

early 19th century: from Latin nihil ‘nothing’ + -ism.

>>9400276

this means nothing to a nihilist

>>9400286
Sure. Which means that we need not speak with or tolerate nihilistic cancer. The conveying of meaning falls flat on them. It stops being speech and becomes input.

>>9398198
relativity =/= subjectivity
objective facts can be nested within subjective experience

you're argument is self refuting and boils down to "there is no meaning, therefore you ought not derive meaning from this sentence" it is fallacious on at least 3 levels explicitly and quite as many more in it's implications. this should be clear on immediate self reflection, and is why you are bereft of any serious replies.
no one is going to take you seriously regardless how many times you insult their memes pal.

>>9398017
What is phenomenology?

>>9398778
Idiot.

The tern is not describing a 'moral' type of nihilism, rather it is describing a nihilistic outlook on morality

>>9398036
That's a moron, you ox

>>9398017
The same can be said against your claim.

Of course, both are complete bullshit unless we decide to reside only in the limited sphere of nihilism itself.

>>9398133
>>9398220
kek

Plebs

>>9401110

One never actually escapes the truth of nihilism, though. That's the point. What you're referring to are what I have termed the "delusions of productive adulthood", which reinforce procreation, religion, purpose in general. In language familiar to /lit/: spooks, more or less (my sense is slightly different but not by much).

Quite the opposite of being limit(ing), nihilism is totalizing, covering and negating everything. But please appeal to maturity some more.

t. not the OP the OP is right.

>>9398017
Have you tried the argument from no longer being a freshman English major?

>>9398017
Well as long as your having fun with your nihilism then have at it

unrelated, I walked into my bedroom today and saw this

>>9398017
You've just been spoiled rotten. Anyone who has experienced an honest day's work knows life is full of purpose.

>>9404096
Slam Dunk

>>9404096
>>9404106

No, you don't. You have PRECISELY fallen into the trap which I have explained here:

>>9402737

Let me be absolutely clear. I have worked hard at jobs, been rewarded and recognized for ability, it feels good, that sort of thing. whoop-de-doo.

I know better than you the delusion of meaning through the performance of adulthood. Ironically, several literary adults vaguely sense the same thing, yet reject total nihilism (Nietzsche, Sartre, Erikson), and the irony of this is that the edgier among them /sense its truth/.

To reject nihilism, to pretend that any escape from it is possible. This is the fundamental intellectual error of the existentialists, of Nietzsche.

The 16-year-old vacant edgelords who themselves not having yet become adults, are not yet in a position to understand that they really are actually right all along. And yet it's so obviously so, to the hate of anything with a pretense of productive adult society, even the socialized edgy-adult who tired of their former, more-right selves. The Void snickering.

>>9404138

>>9404145

I think there's a picture of a pyramid. I think your thing falls somewhere towards its middle.

Not that any of this matters. And this is the part where I win.

Not that it matters.

>>9404170

>>9399310
How the fuck do you read:
>Morals are socially necessary
And infer the claim:
>the only purpose of morality is to organize society
You are a pretentious shitter who can't even grasp basic causal logic without fucking up. I would tell you that you should be ashamed of yourself, but you probably lack any capacity for self-awareness, you Dunning-Krueger masterpiece. You belong on this board.

>>9398017
there is one.

it's called life

>>9404215

>>9398017
>legitimate
Legitimacy is a moral category, since you're using it as a means to a moral end, regardless of the amoral context of the discussion. Moral nihilism just means you're lying to yourself to feel better. (also a moral judgment)

>>9398017
>philosophical debates

>>9404138

>mfw no one has yet been able to refute OP.

>>9404682
>bumping your babby bait with anime girls
This isn't /b/, friendo. Fuck off.

Bump

>>9398196
I thought death was also ruled out in those 3 too (absurdism, existentialism, nihilism).

>>9400744
Not him, but it applies in the reverse either way; a "moral nihilist" and a "nihilist outlook on morals" are basically interchangeable because most discussion on nihilism has an intrisic dilemma at it's core. In other words, you're being redundant.

All nihilists are, in a way, moral... And would have "nihilist outlook on morals."

>>9398017
In order to have a rational discussion about this, you need to have certain epistemic standards. Those epistemic standards are precisely as strong as ethical standards.

>>9398242
Nihilism manifests as acts, same with Altruism, and not as the idle mindsets. We are all egoists at the core who tend to lean one way or another, but nihilism and altruism tend to result in death.

>>9406538
no