How do you make a political extremist character likeable?

[Anonymous No.10061623]

I don't mean people with out-there rhetoric. I mean people who disagree with the mainstream consensus on most issues, and will get violent to establish something different. I mean ISIS. I mean Bolsheviks. IJ had some interesting extremist characters, but I never felt that strongly for any of them.

There has to be more too it then showing their dependents (daughters w/ cancer, and so forth). I want them to be standalone likable, but also repugnant to the audience. Is this even possible?

[Anonymous No.10061632]

>>10061623
Make them white and conservative?

[Anonymous No.10061660]

>>10061632
Something like the KKK is hard to sell to audiences. Same with ISIS and Bolsheviks. This is an open ended question. I doubt changing the aesthetics or the politics of the individual is enough. I want universally- or at least widely-applicable techniques here.

[Anonymous No.10061679]

>>10061623
Why couldn't a political extremist be likeable? They sincerely just want to make the world a better place for everyone by any means necessary. They're regular people with friends, family, interests and hobbies. It just so happens they're also so dissatisfied with the current system that they think it needs to be resisted violently.

> I want them to be standalone likable, but also repugnant to the audience. Is this even possible?
You're doing it wrong, OP. If it's a good and sympathetic character the audience isn't supposed to think they're a nice guy who also happens to have insane beliefs. They're supposed to be conflicted and consider that maybe this character actually has the right of it.

Not to mention a great deal of how they're portrayed depends on how the setting is. If you're going to portray them in a likeable way you would need to consider why someone would think these beliefs are a good idea, why to this person their ideology makes sense.

[Anonymous No.10061696]

>>10061623
>black jihadist libertarian secessionist ultranationalist militant
whoa

[Anonymous No.10061703]

>>10061623
I'm going to choose to believe his shirt says Infinite Jest

[Anonymous No.10061705]

>>10061679
>If you're going to portray them in a likeable way you would need to consider why someone would think these beliefs are a good idea, why to this person their ideology makes sense.

I've done this, but will the audience?

[Anonymous No.10061712]

>>10061705
Yes, audiences like it when authors treat them like they're not idiots.

[Anonymous No.10061713]

>>10061705
>I've done this, but will the audience?
If you've done it well, yes

[Anonymous No.10061800]

just make them human, it's very easy to understand why someone might have extreme opinions if you show some empathy

just be prepared that most readers won't understand and review bomb you, they need a protagonist to be squeaky clean these days

[Anonymous No.10061810]

>>10061800
I can't make ISIS and Bolsheviks 'human' because to me they simply aren't, consdering how they are promotors of white genocide

[Anonymous No.10061813]

>>10061810
that's why you're not a good writer

[Anonymous No.10061814]

>>10061810
>consdering how they are promotors of white genocide
OP, I don't mean to alarm you, but have you ever considered that you might be a political extremist.

[Anonymous No.10061829]

>>10061623
Make them part of a fictional extremist group first of all. Also, show the psychological, political, and economic pressures that turn someone into an extremist. There's a hidden side of extremism people don't see. Tear open the lid. Don't just make him a faceless creep.

[Anonymous No.10061955]

>>10061810
You do it by depicting what they fought against as even worse - in the case of Bolsheviks it's easy, since Nicholas II, Rasputin and the Okhrana were almost cartoonishly vicious and despotic. ISIS is harder, but you could depict the desperation and fury of a man who had his village destroyed by US drone strikes, for instance, and use that as the motivator for his actions. Or make him a tragic figure, preyed on by manipulative clerics with their own agenda. There's all sorts of options if you just use a little imagination.

[Anonymous No.10061964]

>>10061955
I am referring to current Bolsheviks, i.e. cultural marxist feminist judaics

[Anonymous No.10061979]

>>10061964
Those are just liberals. They don't even care about economic class for the most part; they're certainly not starting a proletarian revolution any time soon.

[Anonymous No.10061982]

>>10061979
they're leftists and against capitalism

[Anonymous No.10061985]

>>10061623
wit
the answer is always wit

[Anonymous No.10061993]

>>10061955
Nicholas II wasn't cartoonishly vicious and despotic. He was a meek and gentle dude that was in charge of the hegemon of reaction and absolute monarchy in Europe and surrounded by people that expected him to act like an iron-fisted tyrant. If he was in charge of a regular western European country like his cousins he would have been fine, but nope, he got stuck with the Saudi Arabia of the day. If he was actually a vicious despot it paradoxically probably would have been better for Russia since it wouldn't have had to deal with the indecisiveness and ineffectuality of Nicholas at a time when was rapidly booming and experience huge unrest.

>>10061982
Purple haired Hillary supporters are not against capitalism. They might think they are but their idea of "socialism" is Sweden.

[Anonymous No.10061997]

>>10061955
Is this book any good? I've never read anything by Mieville other than his Dial H comic, which was good.

[Anonymous No.10061998]

>>10061679
Well, keep in mind that one thing common to most extremists willing to resort to violence is that they don't have much to lose, in material and/or emotional terms.
There is a reason poor people are more prone to violent rebellion, and so are emotionally detached people.

[Anonymous No.10062007]

>>10061982
Everyone with more than an ounce of brain matter has problems with capitalism. The people you're describing seldom actually engage with it, though, they just whine about transgender toilets or whatever tedious non-issue is popular on Facebook. Hard leftist would be more about labor strikes, nationalizing industries, and wealth redistribution.

>>10061997
It's pretty nice, yeah. Much more readable than Ten Days or most of the primary sources, but without sacrificing too much in depth of perspective, research, etc. Bit of thesaurus abuse here and there.

[Anonymous No.10062060]

Any extremist is more likeable than a milquetoast, western liberal bugman eternally ejaculating into a plastic pussy in the VR pleasuredome

[Anonymous No.10062074]

>>10061810
I don't literally mean ISIS and bolsheviks. I'm just giving examples of people widely disliked by 4chan culture because it's easier to get across what I'm going for.

[Anonymous No.10062082]

>>10061623
right-wing ecoterrorism is the new wave
catch it

[Anonymous No.10062103]

>>10061623
You have to give him a proper reason to be an extremist. Someone in a warzone joining ISIS would be more likeable than someone in his mom's basement memeing about white genocide for example.

[Anonymous No.10062108]

>>10062082
Is there any interesting writing on it, other than (arguably) Edward Abbey?

[Anonymous No.10062134]

>>10061623
If it's a leftist, show how his self-loathing neurosis is rooted in his relationship with his smothering Jewish mother.

If he's right wing, show that his motivation is to make his country safe and prosperous for his children's children.

[Anonymous No.10062177]

>>10061623
Depict them as people. Show aspects of their lives that don't have anything to do with politics. Also, when it comes time to discuss their being militants, make the audience privy to the logic that led them to their conclusion.

The audience doesn't have to like your character as a militant, only like him as a person and understand him as a militant.

[Anonymous No.10062392]

>>10061623
Focus on the person and give them good reasons to support a bad cause. In case of ISIS it's simply lack of options and revenge for example. In case of Bolsheviks it's a misguided attempt to create a better society for everyone. Extra points if they lost someone close to the other side. Someone starving or getting executed by the current government or getting fucked by upper classes for the commies. Someone bombing your little brother on the way from school for the ISIS guy.

Now if you have some crazy white libertarians who wage a war against the state or KKK, that's a lot harder and takes more skill. Go with their disconnect with the world and loneliness as an somewhat simple way out.

[Anonymous No.10062415]

>>10062082
What is this... like deliberate destruction of the environment?

[Anonymous No.10062426]

>>10062415
Gotta save it from the Jews and the Blacks somehow.

[Anonymous No.10062488]

>>10061810
>white genocide

[Anonymous No.10062534]

>>10061623
McNig isn't an extremist. An idiot, yes, but not an extremist

[Anonymous No.10062691]

>>10061623
If you're having trouble understanding why people have different political idealogies besides your own beyond some armchair psychoanalysis , then that is your fault as a person not as a writer.

When we talk about politics extremism, the easiest cop out to making him complex is to give him an emotionally charged back story
>My whole family was killed by x, I'm out for revenge
Or
>I never had a problem with x, until they began hurting the people around me

You have to give people the ethos of a certain political idealogy and the context that spurred it if you want to create a complex character. You have to get inside the head of someone who vehemently disagrees with you.

[Anonymous No.10062698]

>>10062488
>United States is less than 60% white
>Whites will eventually diminish in voting power before other ethnic groups , leading to ethnic tensions
>Again
>Sheltered bourgie white kids have no problem with this as long as they can play Vidya and jerk off

[Anonymous No.10062715]

>>10062698
>people moving into a country is genocide

[Anonymous No.10062773]

>>10061810
If you lack this much self awareness and empathy and fall into agitprop this easily you will never produce writing of worth. By your logic most writers are "cucks" because you often need to account for several perspectives when writing

[Anonymous No.10062780]

>>10062691
Not him and generally you're right but with certain views it's still pretty tricky to make the character likeable. Understanding WHY someone wants to do X isn't enough when we talk about completely despicable ideas, especially if it goes beyond wanting but doing that kind of shit.

With something like white surpremacist, the only solution seems to be having the character to grow up in that kind of environment and having all of their friends being crazies too, hence creating extra internal conflict, because abandoning the bullshit would mean abandoning their entire past life. Besides, if they are cut off from any other views, they never really had the capacity to make an informed decision.

>>10062698
It's less than 40% black and black people somehow survived so far.

[Anonymous No.10062786]

>>10062715

The Japanese and the Koreans seem to be of that opinion.

[Anonymous No.10062793]

>>10062786
And that makes it ok because they're not white and as well all know if someone else does it that makes it ok

LEFITSTS BLWON THE FUCK OUT!!! subscribe for more epic sjw cuck own moments, hehe based sam hyde and molyneux

[Anonymous No.10062797]

>>10062786
>implying anyone actually wants to move there

[Anonymous No.10062807]

>>10062793

Wew lad, you need to take a few deep breaths!

[Anonymous No.10062824]

>>10061623
very empathetic

[Anonymous No.10063225]

>>10062780
>Implying anything is inherently despicable
That's what I'm talking about, the trait of a rational actor is to assume no black and white evils in the world. Now that doesn't mean you have to change your personal opinion, but to be more nuanced in your views you need to get engaged in the dialectic of your opponents and rivals.

When it comes to white supremacy, for instance, a lot of it has to with the complicated issue of race relations in the modern world, where white people are also experiencing racism and hatred against themselves. I've talked with white supremacists (it's as easy as lurking on /pol/) and that's their general answer, they are biological determinist, race naturalists, ethnographers, and reactionaries. That is their view, and when exploring their ethos, logos, pathos etc you need to have as much of understanding of it as possible.


While the majority of people on /pol/ are mostly just sheep it's the same as with most idealogies where the intelligentsia of a movement surrounds itself with loyal prols who buy into their rhetoric. Their is , contrary to popular belief, and intellectual core to these types of people. It's the same with ISIS, it was the same with Bolsheviks, Khmer Rouge, einztasgruppen, etc. Most people do not really understand their opponents on this level, they see them as an ontological Other. Bridging different kinds of others together is how you create a sympathetic radical character, which isn't easy because it also requires you going on your own cognition of the Other.

[Anonymous No.10063234]

>>10061955
>a group of Jewish agitators forcing suffering and starvation on millions of innocents to make themselves rich and powerful is somehow more sympathetic than a noble house and ancient culture forever destroyed by rootless, parasitic hatemongerers

[Anonymous No.10063249]

>>10063234
The House of Romanov are "noble" despite the massive starvation and poverty in the Russian empire while they got fat and wealthy.

Fucking pathetic.

[Anonymous No.10063271]

>>10062780
That's the benevolence of whire people, white minorities in blac countries don't fare anywhere near as well.

The white supremecist argument against white genocide is that there have been three consecutive generations of black children raised on the idea that they aren't really black of they don't hate white people/ white people are the devil.

Allowing them to gain voting power is simply not in the whites best interests.

[Anonymous No.10063454]

>>10062698
> White - 232,943,055 (73.6%)
>73.6%
>less than 60%

[Anonymous No.10063606]

>>10063454
Sauce on those numbers? Most estimates out it between 56%-63%

[Anonymous No.10063610]

>>10063606
Also this is 2012, not 2017 and whites are predicted to be less than half the population by 2025

[Anonymous No.10063643]

>>10062715
>People moving into a country is genocide
It is according to the UN
>In the present Convention, genocide means any of the following acts committed with intent to destroy, in whole or in part, a national, ethnical, racial or religious group, as such:
>(a) Killing members of the group;
>(b) Causing serious bodily or mental harm to members of the group;
(c) Deliberately inflicting on the group conditions of life calculated to bring about its physical destruction in whole or in part;
>(d) Imposing measures intended to prevent births within the group;
>(e) Forcibly transferring children of the group to another group.

So under (d), yes white people are being genocided and displaced en masse by government programs intended to promote miscegenation and displacement in the name of neo-liberal economic programs. Genocide doesn't need to mass murder, although in places like South Africa that does happen albeit in small measures.

[Anonymous No.10063688]

>>10063643
Okay, what measures are being imposed that are intended to prevent births among white people?

I would hope to give you some credit. Because right now it sounds like you're saying the possibility that a white person might have children with someone who is not white would fall under this. And I hope you don't think that because that is fucking retarded.

[Anonymous No.10063700]

>>10061979
>they're certainly not starting a proletarian revolution any time soon
And neither would Bolsheviks. You don't start a revolution, you wait for one to happen and then try to assume position as its leaders.

[Anonymous No.10063712]

>>10061623
Make them zany like Pynchon does.

[Anonymous No.10063793]

>>10063688
>Promoting miscegenation is not interfering with white birth rates
Nigger...

[Anonymous No.10063820]

>>10061623
Make people like them first. Introduce their power level slowly, and make sure to show they have very good reasons for everything that's not PC. Make it so that even if the reader thinks the character is wrong, they understand his point of view and how he could come to this.

[Anonymous No.10063908]

>>10063688
Well first of all
>Promoting miscegenation is not trying to prevent white births
Wew
Second of all
>c) Deliberately inflicting on the group conditions of life calculated to bring about its physical destruction in whole or in part;
So importing a highly religious and high birth rate having population into the country which offsets the political power of the ethnic majority of the country is , in a sense, genocide according to the UN. Which is what's happening, as white people are supposed to be less than half of the country by 2025. We used to have some pretty strict laws about this kind of stuff because of a fear of ethnic conflict, but now people don't care so much about that because
>Lol we need to competitive in the global market place, so we're going to stagnate real wages through free trade agreements with Mexico where laborers from Mexico (which has some of the lowest minimum wages in the world) can send remitences back home making them insanely competitive when compared to the native labor market
Which, in a sense, is is trying to competent the near slave level of labor conditions in China. The side affects t of this, however, is white people being displaced

[Anonymous No.10063912]

>>10061623
>Is this even possible?

dude stop being such a cuck as to your own powers.

did you ever think that everyone is a person, and every person does what they do for a reason? The most evil people have the most ingenious justifications for their actions. Either that or they FEEL they do, otherwise nothing would make sense.

[Anonymous No.10063927]

>>10063908
>Promoting miscegenation is not trying to prevent white births
Here's the thing, no one is being imposed upon here. If you see a nigger in a movie and that makes you want to fuck a nigger in real life no one has forced you to do anything, you did that yourself.

Likewise if you see someone hit a woman in a video game this does not mean there's a patriarchal conspiracy.
> Which is what's happening, as white people are supposed to be less than half of the country by 2025
Here's the thing. Unless you are going to veer into (((the Jews))) territory nothing about this is being deliberately calculated for the purpose of destroying white people.

Additionally making up a smaller percentage of the population does not constitute genocide anyway. White people wouldn't have gone anywhere, they would still be living in America at a comparable number of people. It would so happen that there's also now more brown people living in America.

If I have a bowl of skittles and pour in a bag of M&M's the skittles haven't gone anywhere, they haven't been replaced. They just share a bowl with another kind of candy.

[Anonymous No.10063933]

i actually saw a legit hot white chick today, i was like shit i guess gentrification has it's upsides, the crazy thing was she was with a white boy bro type who clearly lifted, the rich whites who buy million dollar lofts and shit talk all that liberal mess but when it comes down to it they not trying to pollute the pool

[Anonymous No.10063940]

>>10063933
Are you a black character from a 1990s movie?

[Anonymous No.10063941]

>>10063940
yeah but the early 90s when everyone had really bright african colors and shit not the later 90s when it was all timbs and fatigues

[Anonymous No.10063956]

Iris Murdoch

[Anonymous No.10063963]

>>10063940
speaking of old hiphop movies can someone tell the origin of that sample thats like "your just fessin man" i could never figure out what "fessin" was supposed to be, confessing? why would you say "you're just confessin man?" maybe im retarded but i dont get it

[Anonymous No.10063974]

>>10063963
ooohhh, it's supposed to be "fussin" but since the beastie boys are rich jews it was totally inauthentic, got it

[Anonymous No.10064004]

>>10061623
the problem is that the best way to make someone likable is to make them relatable, so trying to make a likeable character that isn't relatable is really hard. look for characters that aren't relatable but still likable. filthy frank comes to mind, sadly.

[Anonymous No.10064008]

>>10064004
after all the communist shit pumped out in the 20th century there wasn't one novel with a likable commy true believer? hard to believe

[Anonymous No.10064021]

>>10064008
>communist shit pumped out in the 20th century
Like?

[Anonymous No.10064028]

>>10064021
how about 1984, the protag is basically a terrorist who admits he's down to kill innocent people for his radical beliefs

[Anonymous No.10064036]

>>10064008
>>10064021
>>10064028
niggers the answer is boxer in animal farm and y'all had deprived childhoods

[Anonymous No.10064040]

>>10064036
Old Major is also pretty likeable and I don't remember the Trotsky-pig doing anything particularly objectionable.

[Anonymous No.10064083]

I don't think it's a good idea to approach a character with the intent of making them likeable. That's like trying to make yourself likeable, it usually comes off as contrived.

[Anonymous No.10064094]

>>10064040
>trotsky-pig
that's because orwell's a trotskiite. he doesn't hate communism, he hates stalin

[Anonymous No.10064273]

>>10063454
That’s counting wetbacks.

[Anonymous No.10064281]

>>10061955
>Rasputin
You fell for the meme

[Anonymous No.10064362]

>>10063271
>implying there's no reason for the ethnic tensions in black majority countries
>muh black people all believe the same thing I think they think
>muh white people all have the same goals I think they do

[Anonymous No.10064367]

>>10061623
>There has to be more too it then showing their dependents (daughters w/ cancer, and so forth)
there isn't any other way, give him a little sister and kill her

[Anonymous No.10064368]

>>10062715
People being moved into a country for the purpose of ethnic replacement could be considered genocide, yes.

[Anonymous No.10064403]

>>10063271

It's an endless cycle of mutual hate, and you're propagating it with your black man vs. white man mantra.

white man hates black man, in return the black man hates the white man, so white man feels justified in his hatred and gives more voice to it, so the black man also feels justified in his hatred, and so on until the end of racial tensions.

It's the same with most minorities that suffered from heavy discrimination. Look at the Roma in Europe for another example.

It's not neolib affirmative action that will end this, but a culture that realizes that mutual hatred is not in the interest of either of the groups.

This is why it's hard to write a relatable white/black supremacist into a thought provoking story. When you start looking for a reason for their hatred, you'll find nothing but "They were raised like this." If they were raised in a non-hateful environment their ideology would lack a source.

Of course you could push a certain agenda from whatever point of view, but then your character wouldn't be as relatable and your book would fall into the niche of whatever side you took. That would alienate the vast majority of potential readers.

All in all you can write a relatable, heroic white supremacist, but you cannot push his rhetoric, you can simply show it to the reader.

[Anonymous No.10064469]

>>10061623
Show their perspective, their reasoning, their life. Any human being with sufficient empathy will feel for a character and understand why they are as they are, if you show some reasonable line of thought and history. Of course they likely won't agree with their views, but they'll understand why the character holds them, at least in some way. It also helps to try make the reader actually agree with some points, to some extent, though overall disagreeing.

Say an extreme, militant anarchist (of some type) is pretty easy because you can appeal to fairness and freedom (from the perspective of the anarchist), that most will resonate with to some degree. Most of the lower-end of ISIS are just random poor people joining for the benefits, often for their families. Not out of ideology or religion. Though that's not really relevant here.

Basically just humanise them and show their perspective (and reasoning/history that lead them to that perspective). Even if their views/actions are completely unagreeable and terrible, at the very least it will invoke pity on some level.

[Anonymous No.10065670]

>>10063927
>If see a movie
>Movie
Oh yes because the public government run schools do not teach total racial egalitarianism
How about we ignore fucking movies and take a look at how the government is the ones pushing this shit, not only pushing it, but literally indoctrinating our children into believing total racial egalitarianism.
>If you mix a bowl of Skittles with a bowl M&M's the Skittles are still
Are you seriously comparing human behavior to something as inert as candy?

[Anonymous No.10065676]

>>10064403
Except showing a cycle of mutual hate is one of the biggest cliche's and misunderstanding of radical thought out there.
>Communist hates capitalist
>White hates black
>Man hates women
>Why can't we all just get along?
>Author asserts democratic, bourgeois, and pacifistic narrative or something that is simply his own ethos ,
>fails to understand why not everyone would agree with the ethos

[Anonymous No.10065682]

>>10061623
Easy. Make him self aware of his ridiculousness

[Anonymous No.10065690]

>>10065670
DA GUBERNMENT IS TEACHING SCIENCE TO OUR CHILDREN!

[Anonymous No.10065693]

>>10063927
>Jews have to be the one behind everything otherwise it's now white genocide
It's the state and private interests working together to displace white people for economic reasons. This leads to ethnic tensions overtime
https://www.google.com/amp/www.latimes.com/local/lanow/la-me-ln-ramona-hate-crime-20160707-snap-story,amp.html

That most john green esque bourgeois white liberals like.yourself never hear about because you live in atomized and consumeristic quasi communities that distracts you from interaction with different kinds of folk
https://www.google.com/amp/www.latimes.com/local/lanow/la-me-ln-ramona-hate-crime-20160707-snap-story,amp.html

Stories like this are usually completely looked over btw, because the faux cosmopolitan culture of the liberalized west doesn't like to see that multiculturalism just leads to conflict.

Yes, white people being intentionally displaced is a genocide. Just because it isn't the Armenian Genocide or the Holocaust doesn't means it's any less of a genocide.

Also, just to clarify, human nature is a bit more complicated than candies.
>Dude you live in same.area as everybody else why can't you just get along lmao
>T. sheltered middle class kiddie

[Anonymous No.10065696]

>>10064403
lmao ernst just look at this fucking liberal over here i bet he doesn't even into the concept of the political

[Anonymous No.10065700]

>>10065690
>Racial egalitarianism is science
It's actually social.science :DD

Which isn't really a science anymore than psychology.
>Look kids, Martin Luther King Jr said we need to value people by their merit and not their skin color, because race is just soon color and the individual does not occur on a modal basis based on ethnicity and race a priori
>Isn't that just WEIRD

[Anonymous No.10065710]

>>10061623
>daughters w/ cancer

i woz jus sik n my mouth

[Anonymous No.10065718]

>>10065700
>everything I don't understand isn't real science but product of the jooce, the state or muh private interests
Ah, to be young again.

[Anonymous No.10065736]

>>10065718
>Any statistical discrepancy between racial groups is due to a progressive conspiracy theory that the KKK has infiltrated the police and all forms of government leading to institutional racism
>Anyone who believes in biological determininism is false a priori
>Strawmanning me so hard about muh Jews
>Probably doesn't know the first thing about jews to begin with but because he watched a lot of tv programs he feels like he does
Why is it always the same brand of egocentric moron who ends up doing the
>Detached meme'ing with basic bitch arguments
Style of shitposting?

[Anonymous No.10065741]

>>10065718
>Social science
>Real science
Uh-oh, someone fucked up and got the wrong degree. How is that psych/poly sci degree working out , anon,? Did you get a nice job waiting tables like everyone else?

[Anonymous No.10065742]

>>10065700
get out of the basement before you become another statistic

[Anonymous No.10065754]

>>10065742
Oh so your that one butthurt type of fag
>Fuck you and your arguments I DONT NEED TO HEAR ARGUMENTS WHO DISAGREES WITH ME AND MY LIBERAL VALUES
>ESPECIALLY NOT FROM SOME FAT FUCKING NECK BEARD LIKE YOU
>They aren't even arguments, they are just nonsense
>How can someone disagree with ME?

Kek, okay pal whatever makes you sleep at night. Your still a shit tier writer if you can't even attempt to understand how people other than yourself and political views work.

[Anonymous No.10065772]

>>10065736
>bitches about muh social science and attempts to justify his belief with social science
I don't even.

>Anyone who believes in biological determininism is false a priori
That or maybe just lacks any kind biological background, but let's be real, more likely than not, it's both.

>Strawmanning me so hard about muh Jews
>Probably doesn't know the first thing about jews to begin with but because he watched a lot of tv programs he feels like he does
That's some based meta shitposting, or just complete lack of self-awareness? You killed your own arguments in the same post all by yourself, not cool, anon, not cool at all.

>>10065741
>not quitting college and starting your own company (or at least being self employed)
Wagecucks are sad.

[Anonymous No.10065777]

>>10065754
Not him, but most extremism is pretty simple and just boils down to fear of change and the unknown plus a desire for a simpler world.

[Anonymous No.10065783]

>>10065772
>Biological determinism is social science
Welp, at least I know im talking to a moron. It's good that I can clear that up.
>Yup, anyone who disagrees with me on the nature of human behavior is just dumb
>How can anyone disagree with ME? like LOL
Okay pal
>Meta shitposting
You realize that I was saying that I know about jeeish culture more than you in a way that is da joos, right? Or, or are you actually so retarded that you thought that in the second paragraph I was blaming Jews for the displacement of white people? For the love of fuck anon, why are you posting here?

Brainlets belong on /s4s/

[Anonymous No.10065794]

>>10065777
>There are people who think that idealogical differences between people are a simple as a knee jerk reaction to change
>People like this exist
>People like this vote
Ah yes, I see your marxian critiques on the economy is because you're afraid of change, Mr Bolsheviks, how silly of you. Oh, me alt right, I see that you have some qualms with unlimited amounts of immigration entering your country and leading to massive demographic shifts.

How silly! You're just afraid of *insert your idealogy* it's just natural change! It's, praxeological even.

[Anonymous No.10065795]

>>10065783
>another post of arguing with himself and still losing
Just stop, anon. So far it's still amusing but this is bound to step over in to tragic territory.

[Anonymous No.10065798]

>>10065795
>Another post by an obvious shitposter who refuses to actually engage me
Let me ask you a question, what do you think about the existence of race and biological mechanisms in human behavior as we've learned in the past 20 years studying neurology and ye old tein studies?

[Anonymous No.10065799]

>>10065670
>Oh yes because the public government run schools do not teach total racial egalitarianism
How does teaching that people should be treated equally, which is consistent with mainstream scientific consensus, equate to "promoting miscegenation"?

>Are you seriously comparing human behavior to something as inert as candy?
Yes, it's an analogy. It's supposed to be simple and easy for brainlets like you to understand.

[Anonymous No.10065810]

>>10065693
So are you a communist then?

[Anonymous No.10065813]

>>10065794
Critiques on ecomics tend to desire change and debate the effectiveness of one approach or another to reach certain goals. Generally it's about the best way to achieve X, which tend to be similar across most schools of thought, so the comparison doesn't make any sense.

>leading to massive demographic shifts
And this is an issue because?

>>10065798
>existence of race
Isn't the whole talk about humans?

[Anonymous No.10065815]

>>10065799
>which is consistent with mainstream scientific consensus
Except it isn't , anywhere?
>Yes it's an analogy
My issue with it being that the underlying assumption here is that humans are all as inert and lifeless as candy and exist. Stop being so myopic, Christ

[Anonymous No.10065833]

>>10065813
>, so the comparison doesn't make any sense.
Let me help you out
>Ah yes, Mr capitalist! I see you are afraid of change here, very disappointing! Well as you know, all change is good change and all change is in my favor and not yours. Once we allow the workers to be their own orders and just *accidently* get rid of the bourgeoise , everything will be fine! Stop being so afraid of change!

It's almost like not all change is good change and assuming that everyone's disagreements towards a certain idealogy comes from a reflexive fear of change is a gross oversimplification of the issue?
>What's wrong with demographic changes
They lead to ethnic conflict, but I assume someone like yourself who doesn't already know that grew up in a very sheltered manner.

[Anonymous No.10065834]

>>10065777
>>10065742
progs are bureaucrats at heart, don't be fooled by all the calculated 'transgression' and snark, these people are cops. shrinks. low level security operatives working for an all encompassing liberal managerial society of control. They hide behind the banner of common sense rationality, 'basic human decency' and other empty signifiers while presiding over the liquidation and banalisation of being. Their role is fundamentally repressive, that of turning subjects into objects of management, oedipalizing them into the new postfordian power structures ie. 'women in tech', Lockheed Martin sponsored pride parades. The true revolution goes beyond left and right.

Deleuze/McVeigh 2020
I AM NOMAD WAR MACHINE
420284028485 TRIGGERED SJWS

[Anonymous No.10065844]

>>10065815
>Except it isn't , anywhere?
Except the entire world science 1946?
>My issue with it being that the underlying assumption here is that humans are all as inert and lifeless as candy and exist. Stop being so myopic, Christ
Only that's not what it's suggesting at all. It's suggesting introducing one population into an area that contains another isn't inherently genocide, no one is being forced to do anything and how they react to this situation is entirely up to them.

[Anonymous No.10065848]

>>10065844
>Except the entire world science 1946?
>Ignoring the graph I gave him
Fucks sake
>Except it isn't genocide if it's voluntary
Alright , then let's call it white forced suicide if that helps you. It's still a bad thing.

[Anonymous No.10065850]

>>10065777
>but most extremism is pretty simple and just boils down to fear of change and the unknown plus a desire for a simpler world.

liberals/progs are basically sheeple, happy to let the social media managers and properly accredited gender experts think for them and shape them for their own ends.

[Anonymous No.10065856]

>>10065848
>Ignoring the graph I gave him
Okay, the western world since 1946
>Alright , then let's call it white forced suicide if that helps you. It's still a bad thing.
It's not though. You can literally solve it by making the choice to have kids, no problemo.

[Anonymous No.10065867]

>>10065833
Only that the economics debates tends to be about the means of how to achieve said change, pretty much everyone agrees on changes being necessary and besides, some fridge groups, people all generally want to achieve something similar. Most capitalists and most commies just want a better and fairer world for everyone, can't compare it to alt-right beliefs that go against the goals and wellbeing of the majority even before we get to their means.

>everyone's disagreements
We're not talking about everyone but a fridge group of society.

>They lead to ethnic conflict
And you believe it because?

[Anonymous No.10065870]

>>10065856
>Okay, the western world since 1946
Nope. Now you're just in denial and are ignoring any evidence I give you to the contrary of your beliefs :D
>Dude, so what if we import 10 million people into the country who have a significantly higher birth rate than the native population
>Just have more kids if you don't want to be replaced, lol
Oh so I'm talking to a brain dead asshole who doesn't understand how demography and immigration works. Cool.

[Anonymous No.10065876]

>>10065850
Replace "lib/prog" with "alt right" and "social media managers" with "edgy yt personalities" and it works even better.

[Anonymous No.10065882]

>>10065867
lgbtsjw leftoids want to destroy the family through politically correct social engineering, they want to subvert society, they want to sexualise and normalise children. If taking a stand against their bullshit makes me an extremist then so be it.

[Anonymous No.10065887]

>>10065867
>Capitalists and communist have the same economic goals
No. No lmao just no. Omg please anon you're killing me.
>missing the point of the example I gave him THIS HARD
I can't even, how does alt right beliefs go against what they think is best for the majority? So the alt right explicitly wants immorality? Really? Really my man?
>And you believe it because?
I go out of my basement and immediate bourgie community unlike you?

[Anonymous No.10065889]

>>10065882
>poor children are being taught not to hate people because their pastor/imam tells them to
#ripthewest

[Anonymous No.10065893]

>>10065870
>Nope. Now you're just in denial and are ignoring any evidence I give you to the contrary of your beliefs :D
Do you know what "consensus" means?
>Oh so I'm talking to a brain dead asshole who doesn't understand how demography and immigration works. Cool.
Not an argument. If white people chose to have more kids there'd be no problem, I don't know how you can get around this one.

But it seems I've touched a nerve, maybe it's a thinly veiled justification for the fact that white women won't fuck you.

[Anonymous No.10065896]

>>10065889
Oh yes, because it's as simple as "hating" vs "not hating"


How to spot a sheltered white kid 101

[Anonymous No.10065901]

>>10065887
>same economic goals
Where was that said? Your inability to read is killing you, but hey, blaming others for your failures is too ingrained, eh?

>how does alt right beliefs go against what they think is best for the majority?
What? Alt-right beliefs go against the best for everyone who isn't alt-right, which is the majority. How could you possibly misread something so simple?

>I go out of my basement
Go on. Where does the scary race war comes into play.

[Anonymous No.10065908]

>>10065893
>Do you know what "consensus" means?
Yes. What about there is no consensus because because when polled anthropologists still largely take race as a factor into their studies do you not understand?
>If white people had more kids there would be no problem
That thing, they don't. So importing a highly religious and fast breeding people among them is going to lead to a demographic decline, which is really bad. That's not a good thing for anyone.
>I see you disagree with me on politics, you must be emasculated in some way
I'm really getting under your skin here, huh?

[Anonymous No.10065909]

>>10065889
ugh how can white people not accept THIS is their children's future. ugh i bet those stupid hicks haven't even read butler!

[Anonymous No.10065910]

>>10065896
Go on, how is the issue in question any more complicated. Will the faggots take over once we stop hating them and infect us all?

[Anonymous No.10065915]

>>10065909
A kid dressing up for comedy? That's shocking and never happened ever before the big gay took over! Should we gas the kid? Or just bully him/her intro suicide like in the good ol' days?

[Anonymous No.10065917]

>>10065901
>Where was that said
>Most capitalists and most commies just want a better and fairer world for everyone
Took
>The alt right don't want what's bat for everyone just because they disagree with me on environmental determininism and racial egalitarianism
Can't make this shit up. Lmao
>Race war
https://www.google.com/amp/www.latimes.com/local/lanow/la-me-ln-ramona-hate-crime-20160707-snap-story,amp.html

Who said anything about a war? I'm talking about ethnic conflict. I guess you don't know much about prison. Oh god , just the though of of of *associating* with the unfortunate. Gag much, amirite?

[Anonymous No.10065921]

>>10065908
>What about there is no consensus because because when polled anthropologists still largely take race as a factor into their studies do you not understand?
Only that's not what your graph says at all. It says roughly 2/3rds of them don't believe it even exists.
>That thing, they don't.
Yeah, and who's fault is that? If they just decided they'd like to have more kids then everyone's happy. But nope, they use their freedom to decide not to. And that's okay, that's what living in a free society is all about.

[Anonymous No.10065930]

>>10065910
>Go on, how is the issue in question any more complicated. Will the faggots take over once we stop hating them and infect us all?

what if i told you they have already taken over. sodomy is a religion, it has replaced Chirstianity as the official religion of the West. It has his own symbols (rainbow flag), its own sacred holidays (pride), its unquestionable sacred texts(butler "queer theory"), dogmas as baffling as the trinity (gender is an evil social construct yet people can be born the wrong gender)n and it is used as a source of legitimacy by the powerful(ie, governments and corporations). The screeching purple haired queer(tm) victim has replaced Christ.

[Anonymous No.10065935]

>>10065921
>Only that's not what your graph says at all. It says roughly 2/3rds of them don't believe it even exists.
Only if you're blind lmao, you ignoring that big blue bar among younger anthropologists for a reason?
>Who's fault is that
>If the government decided that it wants to exploit the low wages of Mexico via free trade agreements that allows Mexicans to send remittances to their families back home upon them moving here to work minimum wage jobs (thus stagnating real wages and increasing the CPI) then it's white people's fault for not having more children on the decree of government lead economic policies
Maybe different groups of people always have different birth rates?

This is still ignoring the fact that displacing white people is a bad thing overall for society, and how multiculturalism just leads to conflict

[Anonymous No.10065936]

>>10065930
spooky

[Anonymous No.10065957]

>>10065917
> just want a better and fairer world for everyone
How does this equal same economical goals?

>The alt right don't want what's bat for everyone
Alright, this will be fun, how will the goals of alt-right benefit anyone who isn't part of alt-right?

>gang violence as evidence for ethnic conflict
Fascinating. Guess the wars between cartels in Mexico is just down to ethnic war too!

[Anonymous No.10065961]

>>10065935
>Only if you're blind lmao, you ignoring that big blue bar among younger anthropologists for a reason?

Me
>Okay, the western world since 1946
The chart
>Age 21-35 (East)

>Maybe different groups of people always have different birth rates?
Only they don't, historically white birth rates would have resembled third world birth rates quite a bit. You're a fool if you think in the 19th century white people were having sub-replacement level amounts of kids.

>This is still ignoring the fact that displacing white people is a bad thing overall for society, and how multiculturalism just leads to conflict
Because that's not my argument, my argument is that there is no such thing as white "genocide" and claiming it as such is supremely dishonest.

If you want less immigration then just say so, but don't try and play the oppressed victim.

[Anonymous No.10065964]

>>10065930
Holy gay blue haired Jesus! Now what? How does any of this affect you or me as non gays? When will the homos start raping us?

[Anonymous No.10065975]

>>10065964
It affects you because this sort of formal, dialectical analysis is what allows us to spit in the eyes of the gay, blue-haird Jesus just as we spit in the eyes of the chaste, Semitic one.

[Anonymous No.10065980]

>>10065975
what?

[Anonymous No.10065990]

>>10065975
But what about, you know, actual issues? Peoples beliefs in the semitic guy made life horrible for everyone who didn't share them. No one is forcing you to raise a rainbow flag, go to parades, read queer theory or debate whether apache is a gender or not.

[Anonymous No.10066000]

>>10065957
>How does this equal same economical goals?
That's what I was saying. If you , as a liberal I'm assuming, knew more about Marxism and it's economic outlook and goals you should know that it has absolutely no similarities with your capitalist view point.
T. Former anarkiddie
>How will the views of the alt right benefit anyone who isn't alt right
By asserting basic truths of biological determinism and race naturalism, the alt right hopes to allow others to understand themselves better in relation to the world. Their assertion is that the individual occurs on a modal basis within an ethnic or familial group via genetic inheritance of behavior traits, which they assert via studies on monozygotic twins separated at birth and transracial adoption studies. By understanding your heritage , you can therefore learn more about yourself. This also means that we can organize society in a way that recognizes inherent differences between different kinds of people

They are reactionary and therefore assert that consumerism and seeking pleasure of the individual beyond the communal good is self destructive for the individual, as traditional modes of achieving , let's call it "self actualization", are superior than petty consumerism. In other words there is more to life than hedonism as a source of happiness. Thats mostly what the alt right is , it's economic policies are either libertarianism or socialist in nature. It's just a soft core Traditionalist movement.
>Mexicans trying to kick out blacks in compton is just gang violence
Except what they've done is make compton into a Mexican neighborhood through this kind of pressure. I guess you wouldn't know that since you're a spoiled white kid tho

[Anonymous No.10066005]

>>10065964
hey, remember when the left was all about fuck authority? I do. Want to 'stick it to the man' in a world in which 'the man' is a pink haired fat positive queer(tm) blob? then straight is the way to go. I have nothing against gays, to be completely honest with you. I'm against the ideology of homosexuality. If this was the 70s/80s i would have given the gay lifestyle a go, you know just to take the piss. But if you really want to be edgy these days, you gotta go against the current. and that means over the top homophobia.

[Anonymous No.10066006]

>>10065961
You realize that eastern Europe is still a part of the western world, right?

[Anonymous No.10066016]

>>10066006
Then we have different understandings of "western".

[Anonymous No.10066019]

>>10066005
that's a pathethic way to think and act desu

[Anonymous No.10066020]

>>10066006
>eastern Europe is still a part of the western world, right?
they might look 'white' to the untrained eye, but eastern europeans are funny oriental barbarians culturally speaking.

[Anonymous No.10066022]

>>10065980
I'm just saying it's a useful to note the structural similarities between wrote Christianity and the religion of Gay Rights (especially the religion of transgenderism).

>>10065990
>Peoples beliefs in the semitic guy made life horrible for everyone who didn't share them.
That's a rather reductivist position, don't you think? All those who believe choose to do so.

>No one is forcing you to raise a rainbow flag, go to parades, read queer theory or debate whether apache is a gender or not.
In the beginning of Christianity, no one was "forcing" anyone to believe in Jesus either. Then, the religion became subsumed into the hierarchy of the state. Rome absorbed Christianity just as modern nation-states are absorbing the doctrine of sexual tolerance.

Further, if an idea is patently an attempt to save Christian form by sacrificing Christian content, why shouldn't I like to note its deception?

[Anonymous No.10066024]

>>10066005
I don't understand how over the top gays have such grear power over you, anon. Is there something you're not telling us?

[Anonymous No.10066027]

>>10065961
>Only they don't, historically white birth rates would have resembled third world birth rates quite a bit.
Probably because back then you didn't have access to abortion and birth control as much as we do now? Topkek , did you uh, forget about that?
>But that's not my argument
Except we started out this conversation with you saying
>Demographic changes are bad because?
It's still genocide no matter how your frame it. Teaching kids racial egalitarianism in the native population , promoting birth control and abortion among the native population,Zaw then importing millions of non-white immigrants with significantly higher birth rates is still genocide.

I know maybe you haven't experienced this in your life, but there are many people today who think that being white makes you evil in itself. They believe that white guilt necessitates the destruction of white-ness , hell I sat through a class for a whole semester with that message, even though it was supposed to be about American literature

[Anonymous No.10066032]

>>10066016
When has eastern Europe not been a part of Europe? Western world includes southern and eastern europe. So you're telling me that Romania, Estonia, Bulgaria, Ukraine, Russia, and Finland are not part of the western world?

[Anonymous No.10066050]

>>10066027
>Probably because back then you didn't have access to abortion and birth control as much as we do now? Topkek , did you uh, forget about that?
If their low birth-rates are contingent on access to advanced medicine then how is it true that "different groups of people always have different birth rates"?

It kind of pokes a big hole in that "always" part doesn't it?
>Demographic changes are bad because?
When did I say that?

>It's still genocide no matter how your frame it.
It's not, as we've established. If the argument has gotten to the point where we're just forgetting the previous points and going back to square one with blind repetition I'm going to wash my hands of this.

[Anonymous No.10066054]

>>10066000
>marxism/capitalism
The economic outlook is different, the goals are pretty similar sans the classless society bit, which is only shared by a minority. Whether Marx and Smith or the more modern mainstream left and right parties, both sides want a more fairer and liberal society for everyone, the whole disagreement comes from the best means to achieve it.

>By understanding your heritage , you can therefore learn more about yourself.
So good ol' identity politics, just not even on based on who you are but who your grandparents were.

>This also means that we can organize society in a way that recognizes inherent differences between different kinds of people
Aww, this was the key question and the most interesting one and yet you gave the most vague answer here. What would that be, and more importantly, why would it be in the interest of people who disagree with the whole stuff (aka. the majority)

>Except what they've done is make compton into a Mexican neighborhood through this kind of pressure.
So? How does muh ethnicity play a part for a business decision?

[Anonymous No.10066058]

>>10066032
With the exception of Finland absolutely not.

>When has eastern Europe not been a part of Europe?
Since 1945 when communist rule extend across that part of the world and we started using "western" to refer to the developed capitalist countries of western Europe and North America.

[Anonymous No.10066062]

>>10066032
>So you're telling me that Romania, Estonia, Bulgaria, Ukraine, Russia, and Finland are not part of the western world?

Nope. Yes. Nope. Nope. Nope. and yes. There's a very clear line dividing the NATO liberal world(the good guys in star trek) and Putler's oriental autocracy.

[Anonymous No.10066066]

>>10066054
>the goals of Marxism and capitalism are similar if you forget the whole classless society thing

[Anonymous No.10066070]

>>10066005
The left is about "fuck oppression", which tends to come from authority. Obviously questioning authority is crucial but this doesn't mean to follow some juvenile "everything the authority says is wrong because it comes from authority".

A fat positive idiot isn't an authority by any definition either way. So what exactly is your point, outside of it not being cool to be pro fags anymore?

[Anonymous No.10066072]

>>10066058
>Since 1945 when communist rule extend across that part of the world and we started using "western"
Except that was the separation of 1st,2nd and 3rd world not western world.

Fucking brainlet lmao

[Anonymous No.10066075]

>>10066054
>The economic outlook is different, the goals are pretty similar sans the classless society bit, which is only shared by a minority.

[Anonymous No.10066081]

>>10061993
Yeah, Nicholas was really just a bumbling idiot that mostly cared about his family and staying in power. I'm sure he would have worked to preserve whatever status quo where he was on top that he found himself in, but that status quo turned out to be a pretty vicious and despotic one.

[Anonymous No.10066082]

>>10066072
>During the Cold War, a new definition emerged. Earth was divided into three "worlds". The First World, analogous in this context to what was called the West, was composed of NATO members and other countries aligned with the United States

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Western_world#Cold_War_context

[Anonymous No.10066089]

>>10066066
>>10066075
>there are no variations to Marxism
Jesus, I thought this was /lit/.

[Anonymous No.10066090]

>>10066054
>the whole disagreement comes from the best means to achieve it.

>Lenin’s essay about the partisan concerns the tactics of the socialist civil war and takes aim at the attitude, widespread among social democrats of the period, that the proletarian revolution would be achieved as a mass movement in parliamentary countries, so that methods of direct use of violence would then be obsolete. For Lenin, the partisan war belongs to the realm of the methods of civil war and is concerned, like all others, with a purely tactical or strategic question relating to the concrete situation. Partisan war is, as Lenin says, “an unavoidable form of combat,” one to be employed without dogmatism or preconceived principles just like other means and methods—legal or illegal, peaceful or violent, regular or irregular—depending on the particular situation. The purpose is the communist revolution in all countries of the world; whatever serves this purpose [55] is good and just. Thus, the partisan problem too can be very easily solved pursuant to this line. Partisans directed by the central communist authority become freedom fighters and venerable heroes. Partisans whose activity deviates from this authority become lumpen rabble and enemies of mankind.

this actually sounds pretty kewl guess im a leninist now

[Anonymous No.10066097]

>>10066090
Welcome to the club.

[Anonymous No.10066100]

>>10066054
>both sides want a more fairer and liberal society for everyone
This has to be a troll
>It's just idpol
First of all, all politics is idpol, second of all like I said about the heritability of behavioral traits yes getting to understand your family, folk, and heritage is meant to help you understand yourself. That doesn't mean you take credit for what your ancestors have done, you simply try to understand yourself through how "you" have existed before as behavioral traits in others.
>Aww it's a vague answer
Not really
>What would that be
It doesn't have to be anything, it's just an assertion of truth that helps people understand themselves. How society organizes around that isn't up to anyone except the history of relations between different groups of people in a given area and what they want, and the US is way to complicated and large to have one asnwer for all of it
>How does muh ethnicity play a part in business
Because their is something called an in group preference. Look it up

[Anonymous No.10066102]

>>10066070
"oppression'' is a vague and subjective term, a sign of the left's degeneration into yet another class of shrinks and professional managers,

[Anonymous No.10066104]

>>10066090
And how many mainstream leftist parties still take him seriously? Probably even fewer than amount of right libertarian kiddies who didn't understand that Capitalism requires a state.

[Anonymous No.10066112]

>>10066089
>Variations
>To Marxism
>That doesn't include the development of classless society
Fucking kek
>Implying any left leaning idealogy has liberalism in it
Leftists hate liberal, wtf are you talking about?
T. Former leftist

[Anonymous No.10066114]

>>10066102
There is nothing vague nor subjective about it. It's very close to the golden rule.

[Anonymous No.10066121]

>>10063643
>intent to destroy

That doesn't exist, for one. And immigration doesn't really bring about "physical destruction" does it. Another population being added to a a country doesn't physically destruct other populations present.

Also, for immigration, it's not in the name of neo-liberal economic programs you nitwit, it's neo-liberal goals through and through. getting cheap workers is more than enough of a political goal. It's pathetic you need to invent a convoluted anti-white racial narrative to explain it.

[Anonymous No.10066123]

>>10066104
The biggest communist parties on the planet are the Marxist-Leninist ones.

>but they're not relevant, they come from shitty countries and only muh western SuccDems are relevant
SuccDems are traitors that barely deserve to be called left-wing and all the communist parties that rebranded themselves as SuccDems after 1991 are shadows of their former selves.

[Anonymous No.10066129]

>>10061623
>dat Gadsen creasing
Gawd! Does he fold it into his shirt pocket?

[Anonymous No.10066133]

>>10061810
>I can't make ISIS and Bolsheviks 'human' because to me they simply aren't, consdering how they are promotors of white genocide
So is national socialism.

Some 31 million dead white persons. And that's not counting the "pure" war deaths.

[Anonymous No.10066134]

>>10066082
>According to wikipedia, the only way to be a part of the westenr world has nothing to do with cultural, ethnic, or historical similarities
>But wether or not you are a member of the EU or NATO
>Turkey might become part of the western world

The western world as I was taught was just a synonym for Europe and it's colonies. I have also heard that the western world includes the middle East.

But let's not forget what we are talking about here: there is no consensus on the existence of race. There is no absolute majority. None.

[Anonymous No.10066139]

>>10066133
>Germany is the reason why the war started meme
PERFIDIOUS

[Anonymous No.10066144]

>>10066054
>both sides want a more fairer and liberal society for everyone

I mean if that's what you tell yourself, I'm not gonna ruin it for you...

[Anonymous No.10066145]

>>10066134
>According to wikipedia, the only way to be a part of the westenr world has nothing to do with cultural, ethnic, or historical similarities
Actually according to Wikipedia there's a number of different understandings of "western world" because it's a vague categorization that changes wildly over time and in different contexts. I was pointing out that my use is one of those understandings.

>But let's not forget what we are talking about here: there is no consensus on the existence of race. There is no absolute majority. None
According to anon's chart 2/3rds of western anthropologists do not believe in race. 66% is a pretty decisive majority.

[Anonymous No.10066149]

>>10066100
>all politics is idpol
Not to a such ME ME ME level that alt-right or fat positivity shit are.

>is meant to help you understand yourself.
How are lives of people who lived in a completely different world and had completely different abilities of any relevance to my own?

>Because their is something called an in group preference.
Which goes way beyond that as wars between people of the same ethnicity show.

>>10066112
>Leftists hate liberal,
Authoritarian ones do, the left is more than dreaming about my classless utopia and jerking off to a copy of Kapital.

[Anonymous No.10066150]

>>10066114
>There is nothing vague nor subjective about it. It's very close to the golden rule.

sure, sure, just let genius political phiosopher Peggy McIntosh spell it out for you. It's all about managing identities and subjective feelings, nothing radical, postfordian managerialism is the opposite of radicalism, it's cloying Oprah-esque ritualised displays of emotion, of 'empathy' and 'basic human decency'. Our friend Peggy has made millions off her multicultural consulting practice btw. The society of control regards you not as a subject, but as an object to be constructed.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e-BY9UEewHw

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a4mjw2cVaDY

[Anonymous No.10066154]

>>10066121
>That doesn't exist, for one
https://www.google.com/amp/s/m.mic.com/articles/amp/87359/national-geographic-determined-what-americans-will-look-like-in-2050-and-it-s-beautiful

Oh yes, because liberal do not intend to create a post racial "utopia"
>It's not in the name of neo-liberal programs , but neo-liberal goals
So in other words- neo-liberals advocate for unfettered 3rd world immigration into the United States for economic goals, BUT NOT economic programs.
>Basic economics convoluted
Sad that you're such a brainlet

[Anonymous No.10066160]

>>10066150
Who is that and why should anyone care about what she has to say?

[Anonymous No.10066165]

>>10066145
>According to anon's chart 2/3rds of western anthropologists do not believe in race. 66% is a pretty decisive majority.
Actually according to anon's chart it's about half and half , but you know thats only if you're spatial reasoning has properly developed

[Anonymous No.10066171]

>>10061993
>>10061955
why do you guys even mention nicholas II? bolsheviks have no relation with february revolution, the october revolution was about to overthrow democratic government, liberals, anarchists, other socialists to have "a one party to rule them all"

[Anonymous No.10066174]

>>10066165
Why would you even discuss a fucking picture? What is this board coming too. Where is the actual study?

[Anonymous No.10066176]

>>10066160
>Who is that and why should anyone care about what she has to say?
she's one of the most influential leftist thinkers of all time stfu whiteboi

[Anonymous No.10066179]

>>10066165
>it's about half and half
Is it? Woah, must be one of those optical illusions I've been hearing about.

[Anonymous No.10066180]

>>10066176
>most influential leftist thinkers
Based on?

[Anonymous No.10066183]

>>10066149
>Not to a such ME ME ME level that alt-right or fat positivity shit are.
>Being this much of a meme that you compare the alt right to SJW's
Is pic related you btw?
>How are lives of people who lived in a completely different world and had completely different abilities of any relevance to my own?
Because they aren't actually that different from you or us now. People do not change through the ages as much as people think, they largely remain the same core beings living in different situations throughout time.

[Anonymous No.10066187]

>>10066183
Pic related

[Anonymous No.10066190]

>>10066179
>Ignores rest of the graph when convenient

[Anonymous No.10066191]

>>10061623
who else /4th political theory/ here?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=13u4SdFHUEg

[Anonymous No.10066199]

>>10066149
>Authoritarian ones do
No, ALL of them do. Ancoms do not like liberals either.

[Anonymous No.10066200]

>>10066190
Yeah, the part that isn't western.

[Anonymous No.10066206]

>>10066200
Because according to you, the only way to be western it be a member of NATO
Which is retarded. Either way, what you are arguing for is racial egalitarianism being decided by ad populum , which is a fallacy regardless.

People are not totally decided on denying the existence of race. You can be a semtantical moron about it all you want.

[Anonymous No.10066207]

>>10062415
no it's more like this
>ibtimes.co.uk/aurochs-how-hitler-goering-resurrected-extinct-species-make-nazi-super-cows-1482161
meets
>dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2402589/Vanishing-Chernobyl-Aerial-photos-devastated-town-radiation-disaster-zone-reclaimed-nature.html

imagine nuking (((NYC))) in the name of the environment

[Anonymous No.10066209]

>>10066183
>Being this much of a meme that you compare the alt right to SJW's
Yeah, that's kinda rude of me. SJW's don't want to kill anyone.

>People do not change through the ages as much as people think,
Humans biologically didn't change much. Their actions, views, daily problems and abilities do vary quite a bit based on the time period alone. How many people couldn't even read 100 years ago? And shit, this is with me being a white dude. The differences would be even more dramatic if I were a chick or god beware, a black chick. How would her life have ANY connection with her grand-grandparents, especially if she moved from Murica.

>>10066199
Ancoms are just meming though.

[Anonymous No.10066212]

>>10066019

>that's a pathethic way to think and act desu

imo it sure beats 'learning gay in college'
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VtJFb_P2j48

[Anonymous No.10066217]

>>10066206
>academic consensus is argument ad populum

[Anonymous No.10066226]

>>10066209
>Yeah, that's kinda rude of me. SJW's don't want to kill anyone.
>T. Kekistani
I see you are anti-dialogical to the point that you are almost totally unwilling to consider other people as opponents and just want to make them into the ontological other :D
>If you can't read and live as a farmer then you are devoid of the quintessential elements that make up a human being
Wew lad, as I said before about biological determinism, much of our behavior is inherent and permenant and is connected to the heritability of behavioral traits, which does vary from family to family and friends ethnic background as well.

[Anonymous No.10066230]

>>10066212
yeh fuck education and shit imma just believe whatever's edgy.

[Anonymous No.10066231]

>>10066209
>Ancoms are just meming though.

[Anonymous No.10066236]

>>10066217
It is when there is no academic consensus and the only way for you to make a consensus is to ignore anyone who disagrees with you by redefining what is to be the """"majority""""

[Anonymous No.10066246]

>>10066230
liberals don't have any actual beliefs, just blind devotion towards experts and authority.

[Anonymous No.10066247]

>>10066236
>over 60% is not a majority

[Anonymous No.10066253]

>>10066247
>Implying it's over 60%

[Anonymous No.10066255]

>>10066114
omg i bet you were the teachers pet back in preschool. The liberal ideal of society is basically never ending kindergarten, benevolent female authority reminding you to be nice to the other kids forever.

[Anonymous No.10066258]

>>10066246
haha yeah bro

like fuck teachers and faggots and shit. im the new punk rock because i love the police, big business, the government, the military and hate everyone whos not a straight white cis conservative male.

establishment btfo

[Anonymous No.10066261]

>>10066253
No?

[Anonymous No.10066268]

>>10066258
When has the alt right ever liked
>The police
>The government
>The status quo
When all of those are liberal? Did you miss the part about sending troops to the middle East being bad for the white race because it leads to migrants moving into Europe in the name of protecting corporate interests?

That a pretty big part of their dialectic

[Anonymous No.10066271]

>>10066226
>totally unwilling to consider other people as opponents
Why would anyone consider some fridge group as opponents unless you're a part of another fridge group that is ... opposed to them? Alt-right and fat acceptance kiddies don't have too much relevance in actual politics. For all I care they might bitch about each other in their own dedicated safe-zones.

>much of our behavior is inherent and permenant and is connected to the heritability of behavioral traits
That's the basic stuff that's the same for everyone, not the key differences that affect how our life differs from other people.

>If you can't read and live as a farmer then you are devoid of the quintessential elements that make up a human being
That wasn't the question. How are experiences of some slaves relevant to some software developer who got her own company?

[Anonymous No.10066274]

>>10066261
>Is continuing to ignore the stats he doesn't like to create a false sense of majority
>When you are so desperate that you have to hide behind semantics ad infinitum just to protect your fragile ego

[Anonymous No.10066280]

>>10066258
>implying we don't live in a gynocratic managerial dystopia
>implying government and corporations aren't POZZED af with the gay agenda already

[Anonymous No.10066285]

>>10066255
>implying I didn't skip school and make a porn site under the name of one of my teachers because she was an annoying cunt
Also what's so horrible about a society where people don't act like dicks towards each other? You'd be the first one to bitch when things don't go your way and start a blog over how bitches oppress you because they don't want to date you.

[Anonymous No.10066291]

>>10066271
>Why would you actually consider the points of people who disagree with you?
Intellectual honesty?
>The basic stuff that is the same for everyone
>Everyone
>How to spot a nigga who has no friends:101
>How are the experience of slaves the same as someone who develops software
...Because , as I keep repeating to you, a lot of our core personality is genetic and doesn't change with occupation and time?

[Anonymous No.10066306]

>>10066268
Since forever?
Unless them coming out in droves to suck the police's dicks every time a black person gets shot and all the US flags at their rallies was just a big ironic ruse.

>Did you miss the part about sending troops to the middle East being bad for the white race because it leads to migrants moving into Europe in the name of protecting corporate interests?
You have 10 seconds to name a time a prominent alt-right figure has ever campaigned for cutting military spending.

[Anonymous No.10066313]

>>10066274
>here is the consensus in the western world
>duhhh dude why arent you including the eastern world in your analysis of western opinion

[Anonymous No.10066324]

>>10066280
>Implying we don't live in a capitalist society and both liberals and conservatives aren't just the same shit different branding
>Implying real radicals aren't red

[Anonymous No.10066327]

>>10066291
>Intellectual honesty
There is none in taking flat earthers and other fridge groups seriously.

>a lot of our core personality is genetic
To a such universal level it doesn't matter for your point, like having two arms or being hurt when someone kicks you in the balls. Most people across all eras had two arms and didn't like getting hit in the balls, it doesn't mean their experiences and challenges were in any way close to mine or yours. 100 years ago not starving was an actual issue in the first world, now we die from overeating. How is the knowledge that his ancestors were skinny relevant for FattyMcfatface?

[Anonymous No.10066330]

>>10066306
>Unless them coming out in droves to suck the police's dicks every time
They actually hate the police though? Not because they are edgy anarchy fags, but because they see the police as being expressions of the liberal state
>Name one
Richard Spencer, Mike Enoch, and most of the alt right?
https://mobile.nytimes.com/2017/04/07/us/trump-far-alt-right-syria.html
>Not knowing about the ZOG conspiracy

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zionist_Occupation_Government_conspiracy_theory

[Anonymous No.10066342]

>>10066313
>My definition of the westenr world is NATO countries, so I'm going to ignore the graph which assumes the western world includes all European countries
>Admitting to using semantics to create a false sense of majority
Topkek

[Anonymous No.10066346]

>>10066342
They become NATO countries due sharing of ideals and culture, so it makes perfect sense. There aren't many similarities between Poland/Ukraine and France or UK and Russia.

[Anonymous No.10066353]

>>10066330
>They actually hate the police though?
Only they don't. I browsed /pol/ for years and they fucking adore the police.
>but because they see the police as being expressions of the liberal state
You're assuming they have a consistent ideology and praxis. They don't.
>https://mobile.nytimes.com/2017/04/07/us/trump-far-alt-right-syria.html
Hold on there, pardner. I asked you to name one who campaigns for cutting military spending, not one who advocates for isolationism. Conservatives have been advocating for isolationism since forever. Following WW1 the republican party rejected joining the League of Nations for exactly this reason, this does not mean the republicans were anti-establishment radicals.

However they also advocate for a strong national defence (read: well funded military). Which is a line the alt-right seem to uphold.

[Anonymous No.10066359]

>>10066342
>the graph assumes the western world includes all European countries
I do not think anyone but white nationalist Kekistanis believes this. Even to this day Russians do not consider themselves western.

[Anonymous No.10066364]

>>10066327
>There is none in taking flat earthers and other fridge groups seriously.
>Why even engage in debating them at all
If you're actually intelligent, engaging them isn't hard. At all. So engage them you moron, there is no excuse for.being anti-dialogical, it just makes you an idiot for all time.
>The man who is claiming he is too intelligent to.deal.with plebs who disagree with him is now comparing the core quintessential nature of human behavior to getting kicked in the balls
Topkek.
>Obesity didn't exist in ancient eras
It did
>Impulsive and hedonistic behavior didn't exist back then
It did.

You realize I'm not talking about situational issues here though right? I know you, oh wise one see the scope of emotion only.so far as being kicked in the balls but some of us think of fear, anger, jealousy, patience, happiness, depression, etc

[Anonymous No.10066366]

>>10061660

>White and conservative
>you must mean the KKK

Kill yourself you commie faggot

Bolsheviks are jewish scum

[Anonymous No.10066367]

>>10065682
Rick Sancheeze basically

[Anonymous No.10066372]

>>10066366
Oh boy, thanks for the writing advice Pinocchiochet

[Anonymous No.10066381]

>>10066346
>Poland/Ukraine and France or UK and Russia.
>They never had feudalism
>They aren't Christian countries
>They aren't Caucasian
>They don't have similar ancient mythologies
>Their languages arent indo-european (except hungry, I guess)

[Anonymous No.10066387]

>>10066353
>Only they don't.
Only they do, they just like seeing communists getting beat up by the police. How many years of seeing libertarians on /pol/, and you never made that connection even once?
>Hold on there
Oh boy, shifting the goalposts again, here we go
>Isolationism isn't calling for a cut in military spending

TOPKEK
>Completely ignores the ZOG conspiracy the alt right believes in

[Anonymous No.10066390]

>>10066285
I am clinically depressed and hate the modern world. i'm not an ironic racist', i'm not 'post ironic' nor 'metaironic'. I bypass 'irony' entirely, I am an immanent shitposting war machine. just want to blow up the social order, is that to much to ask?

[Anonymous No.10066397]

>>10066387
>How many years of seeing libertarians on /pol/, and you never made that connection even once?
Because libertarians are a minority. The alt-right aren't libertarian, in fact they're pretty authoritarian.
>Oh boy, shifting the goalposts again, here we go
Yes, restating my original challenge shifting the goal-posts. The guy who is trying to warp my challenge to his claims is not shifting the goalposts.

I see.

[Anonymous No.10066400]

>>10066364
>engaging them isn't hard. At all
You're missing the point, there is none in engaging them. The crazies will reaffirm their own delusions no matter what, and the less convinced members will eventually grow out of it. Most people don't get convinced by dialogue but by their own findings and experiences. Give the beliefs in question, there isn't much to gain either, unless you're a journalist writing about them.

>Obesity didn't exist in ancient eras
You're the one saying it. It never was a huge problem for society as it is now. Different things, anon. Very different things, that should be hard to confuse with each other. Statistically, it's likely that none of the ancestors of FattyMcface ever had the luxury problem of eating themselves into the grave.

>fear, anger, jealousy, patience, happiness, depression, etc
Which are all just as basic as the annoyance over getting kicked in the balls, only that the society affects the strength and dealings with these, which goes against your own point. Your grandpa might've to dealt with depression by drinking and beating up granny. Today you'd get therapy, pills and chinese cartoons.

[Anonymous No.10066402]

>>10066359
That is true because for them Western used to mean catholic after the great schism then it meant capitalist under the Soviet Union, but in terms of world wide phenomena it is usually considered western nevertheless

>Further, residents of different parts of the world perceive the boundaries differently; for example, some European scholars define Russia as East, but most agree that it is the West's second complimentary part,[2] and Islamic nations regard it and other predominantly Christian nations as the West.[1]

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/East–West_dichotomy

[Anonymous No.10066409]

>>10066381
>They don't have similar ancient mythologies
No. Though in modern times, East niggered a lot of stuff from the West of course.

Also you're pointing out very artificial things ignoring the huge differences. A person moving from Poland to Ukraine would've to deal with a different language but a relatively similar culture and wouldn't feel too much out of place. A French-fag/Burger/Bong going to Ukraine will feel completely disconnected from it all.

[Anonymous No.10066410]

>>10066397
>Because libertarians are a minority.
It's about half of /pol/, always was. In fact most of reason /pol/ became naziboo was because of how much certain libertarians hates the federal reserve then picked up on the stormfront interpretation of the federal reserve

>N-no that is originally what I was talking about!
>Refuses to actually argue about the fact that isolationism does indeed cut military spending because it means the military doesn't have any business keeping hundreds of forts around the word and starting random wars in the middle East, thus depriving the military industrial complex it's profits
Wew lad

[Anonymous No.10066418]

>>10066324
modern leftists are neurotic af antifa they/them furries to a man, though.

[Anonymous No.10066422]

>>10066418
>forgetting that nazi furries are literally a thing

[Anonymous No.10066430]

>>10066410
>it's about half of /pol/, always was.
Really? They had me confused when they jumped on the most authoritarian candidate for president's dick while not even considering the Libertarian party or even the Constitution party.

>Refuses to actually argue about the fact that isolationism does indeed cut military spending because it means the military doesn't have any business keeping hundreds of forts around the word and starting random wars in the middle East, thus depriving the military industrial complex it's profits
Here's the thing. This is a classic contradiction of conservative ideology, they want to be isolationist, but they also want "a strong national defense". They're pro-military, but anti-intervention. Something is amiss here, and it comes back to the fact that they don't have a consistent ideology or praxis.

So let me ask you again. When has a single alt-right figure come out and said "the military should receive less funding". Just one, any one. It shouldn't be hard, liberals say that all the time.

[Anonymous No.10066432]

>>10066400
>Most people don't get convinced by dialogue but by their own findings and experiences.
Much like yourself , although you have a nasty habit of projecting this behavior of yours onto others.
>No one was ever fat as fuck in ancient times
Wew lad
>Hedonism was never a problem in ancient times
Wew lad

None of these are any different, none of it. At this point your just being contrarian to be contrarian.
>Fear, anger, sadness, happiness
>All the same as being kicked in the balls (a reflex)
Wut
>People don't best their wives anymore
Wut
>Missing the point this fucking hard
I just can't even anymore, so because people have different means to do with core human issues today means that those core human issues no longer exist?

[Anonymous No.10066436]

>>10066418
>modern leftists are neurotic af antifa they/them furries to a man, though.

[Anonymous No.10066449]

>>10066430
>They had me confused when they jumped on the most authoritarian candidate for president's dick while not even considering the Libertarian party or even the Constitution party.
Oh , so I'm dealing with a newfag. Of course.
>They didn't want Gary Johnson
Nobody wanted dude weed lmao guy. He promised literally nothing, he even said "lol yeah the NAP, no one cares about that"
>Strong national.defence is the same thing as advocating for endless amounts of wars for the industrial military complex
Wew. Fucking. Lad.

How much more do they need to advocate for? If we pulled out of our NATO bases and stopped getting into pointless wars , how is that not cutting spending on the military

Do you want us to have no military?

[Anonymous No.10066454]

>>10066430
>Really? They had me confused when they jumped on the most authoritarian candidate for president's dick while not even considering the Libertarian party or even the Constitution party.
>I came.here in 2016 kind of fag
An hero

[Anonymous No.10066459]

>>10066409
>No
*Yes
>Someone from a Catholic or proddy country going to an Orthodox country would feel strange
Not as strange as if they went to turkey, yet Turkey is a member of NATO and therefore part of the western world according to Anon

[Anonymous No.10066466]

>>10066449
>Nobody wanted dude weed lmao guy. He promised literally nothing, he even said "lol yeah the NAP, no one cares about that"
I see, Gary Johnson wasn't libertarian enough so better support the most radically authoritarian candidate going. Real ideological commitment there.

>Wew. Fucking. Lad.
Answer the question. Name one alt-right figure that says the military should receive less funding. No goal-post shifting, it's an easy question.

>>10066454
I came to /pol/ in 2013 and they were literally Nazis.

[Anonymous No.10066470]

>>10066432
>although you have a nasty habit of projecting this behavior of yours onto others
>stating the obvious is projecting
Someone as found of biology as you are, would be surely aware of the myriad of biases, no?

>No one was ever fat as fuck in ancient times
Your lack of reading comprehension is quite stunning. Though the faulty understanding about obesity is expected at least.

>All the same as being kicked in the balls (a reflex)
A reflex causing pain which is an emotion, like the other shit you named. Bruv, are you high or something?

>so because people have different means to do with core human issues today means that those core human issues no longer exist
Because there is more than core issues and because the means available to us are completely different, it's of little practical interest how people in your immediate family handled that stuff.

[Anonymous No.10066475]

>>10066466
>Trump
>radically authoritarian candidate
He's basically just a democrat from the 90's, wtf are you talking about?
>Because libertarians can't be anti-immigrant
Really? How did you come to that conclusion

[Anonymous No.10066487]

>>10066470
>Your lack of reading comprehension is quite stunning. Though the faulty understanding about obesity is expected at least.
>Never in history were people entitled to the labors of others , getting fat while they lay as sloths, and pouting when they didn't have their way like children
You're a moron
>Happiness, dread, sadness, anger, jealousy, and every fucking emotion in the world is nothing more a reflex.causs by your nervous system when bodily harm is inflicted against you
Moron. I'm talking with a moron. So humans have no sentience at all?
>It's of little practical interest to learn how people.dealth with grief and tried to lean how to behave with one another
Moron. I'm talking with a moron.

[Anonymous No.10066490]

>>10066475
>He's basically just a democrat from the 90's, wtf are you talking about?
Are you going to make an argument and explain how Trump is not authoritarian or are you going to be a bitch?
>Really? How did you come to that conclusion
Yes, because Trump only has one policy. I see, excellent analysis.

[Anonymous No.10066493]

>>10066459
Might be the case couple decades and centuries ago but even now with Erdogan, Turkey is actually a lot closer to the East European countries like Ukraine than to the West European ones, despite the whole religion difference, history of war and more brown people. People are very distrustful of law and very liberal when it comes to obeying it, both are much more conservative and individualism is looked down upon pretty hard.

Now I am not sure how someone from the West would perceive the difference though. Assuming we talk about the big cities, Istanbul is more similar to other West European capitals than Kiev, so it's unlikely to be as simple as you suggest, but again, depends a lot on the time period and the person in question.

[Anonymous No.10066494]

>>10066466
>Name one alt-right figure that says the military should receive less funding
All of them? How did you miss the ZOG link I gave you, fucks sake

Except according to you, isolationist sentiments doesn't include cutting military spending because ???

[Anonymous No.10066507]

>>10066490
>Are you going to make an argument and explain how Trump is not authoritarian
Sure. He ran on promises of isolationism and wants to instigate immigration reform.

Neither of which are authoritarian, he still has to deal with the legislative and judicial branches. So let me guess this straight, policies you disagree with are inherently authoritarian?

You realize that the United States has a central state power, right?

[Anonymous No.10066527]

>>10066493
>Turkey is actually a lot closer to the East European countries like Ukraine than to the West European ones,
Except according to Anon, being a western country is contingent on being a member of NATO, so I guess Turkey is western?
>Besides the whole religious difference
No, you don't just get to sweep the differences between a country that pushes for Sharia law and whose entire countries' ethos stems from the Koran and an Orthodox Christian nation. That's it even discussing how much the Balkans and Eastern Europe hates Turkey for s certain Empire that uses to terrorize it. Romania has a national icon they worship to this day who impaled Muslim soldiers on massive spikes outside of his forts his deter them from invading.

[Anonymous No.10066564]

>>10066487
>Never in history were people entitled to the labors of others , getting fat while they lay as sloths
You're going all out against dem strawmen, man. But uhh, calm down and go back rereading to what you reply to make at least a modicum of sense.

>when bodily harm is inflicted against you
You're throwing tons of shit into the mixer, but probably just failed to read again. So let's try this part again: Getting kicked in the balls causes a reflex, like you dropping to the ground, because your brain didn't have the time to do much else. THEN you start feeling the pain, which is a chemical-electrical reaction to the stimulae ... of getting hit in the balls. From here on, it's pretty similar with other emotions too, only that the stimulae aren't always physical, but hey, you're the biology enthusiast here.

>So humans have no sentience at all?
Depends on your definition. Though for practicality, it's easier to assume that we are.

>It's of little practical interest to learn how people.dealth with grief and tried to lean how to behave with one another
Isn't it tiresome to create an army of strawmen, destroying them and then summoning even more? Or do you really enjoy it? Perhaps is it just your reading comprehension after all.

[Anonymous No.10066598]

>>10066527
>so I guess Turkey is western?
Politically, obviously. Culturally, somewhat roughly, in a way, depending on the definition, kinda. It's really tricky and varied massively with time. Atatürk was more progressive than most Eastern European leaders and on Western level but then shit went up and down.

>Turkey
>sharia law
Nigga, wut?

As for Eastern Europeans hating Turkey, seems pretty irrelevant when we talk about their West European-ness. Besides, even West European countries like UK - France, Germany - France, Italy - France and the fucktons of small regions all had different levels of hatred against each other. And then we got the Balkans all hating each other, and all ex commie countries hating Russia. Everyone hates or hated everyone at some point, it's a shitty indicator.

[Anonymous No.10066618]

>>10061696
That's McNiggerator.

[Anonymous No.10066624]

>>10066564
>It's a strawman
No you're arguing that we have never seen mass obesity as we have now, and I'm telling that we have had instances of extreme hedonism before.
>but hey, you're the biology enthusiast here.
Right which I why I'm telling you that reflexive instincts to bodily harm aren't human emotions, but you seem to have a problem with understand that
>What I am literally saying is a strawman
No. No it's not.

[Anonymous No.10066633]

>>10066390
You truly are a mid 2000s 4channer, and not the scatalogical frogman who swears fealty to Lord Tan Dump

[Anonymous No.10066642]

>>10066598
>Politically, obviously. Culturally, somewhat roughly, in a way, depending on the definition, kinda. It's really tricky and varied massively with time. Atatürk was more progressive than most Eastern European leaders and on Western level but then shit went up and down.
>This entire answer
Lmao
>Because ataturk was progressive, that means everyone else in Turkey was too
Secular gov=/= secular people
>We are talking about their west European-ness
To quote you
>Turkey is actually a lot closer to the *East European* countries like Ukraine than to the West European ones,
And we are actually talking about some semantical bullshit where eastern Europe isn't a part of the western world when most people include it in their, all because you don't want to admit that race not existing isn't a scientific consensus

[Anonymous No.10066645]

>>10066598
>Nigga wut
Look for turkey

[Anonymous No.10066666]

>>10066494
Because it's a mainstay of conservative ideology since forever and if their historical forerunners are any indication the support for one does not necessarily anticipate the support for another. As I say, it's an implied contradiction and if you're going to say it's not a problem for the alt-right then I'm going to be sceptical of this.

As I outline below, Donald Trump for instance was simultaneously pro-isolationism and in favour of raising military spending during his campaign. It's a classic right-wing contradiction.
>>10066507
>Sure. He ran on promises of isolationism and wants to instigate immigration reform.
Okay, isolationism I can see. He broke his promise on that but /pol/ didn't know that at the time so that's okay.
"Immigration reform" however, you say this like his suggestion is not authoritarian. His suggestions included building a giant wall across the US-Mexico border, mass deportation of resident aliens, strengthening penalties for aliens found to have broken the law, tripling the number of border patrol agents and a ban on Muslims entering the country. That sounds massively authoritarian.
>inb4 but most of those are just enforcing the law
Yes, enforcing the law unwaveringly and by any means necessary is what authoritarian leaders do.

Now here are some of his other positions I would say are authoritarian. Purging the civil service of officials appointed by Obama and legislating to make it easier to fire civil servants at will, strong endorsement of eminent domain, extending capital punishment to every state, his strong endorsement of torture, his nebulous position of being "tough on crime", his nebulous position on "stopping video game violence", his vow to increase military spending, his protectionist economic stance with China and Mexico, his support for seizing foreign oil reserves and let us not forget his comments on the families of terrorists.

[Anonymous No.10066673]

>>10066666
>quints of the beast
Holy shit DRUMPF BTFO

[Anonymous No.10066682]

>>10066624
>I'm telling that we have had instances of extreme hedonism before
Which is fine and good, just it doesn't have much in common with obesity. Most fatties are in circumstances that make it tricky to stay not fat due economical conditions.

>reflexive instincts to bodily harm aren't human emotions
And nobody says they are. After them comes pain though, which is an emotion. Insects don't experience it, just like they can't experience other emotions for example.

>No. No it's not.
Not sure if obtuse or legitimately confused by his own bullsht.

[Anonymous No.10066690]

>>10066666
>/pol/ didn't know that at the time so that's okay.
Except they did
>Classic conservative hypocrisy
Except he promised to get us out of NATO to counter neo-cons?
>It's almost like I'm comparing to different groups of conservatives to each other, noticing their differences, then calling all conservatives hypocrites because not all conservatives agree with each other
Huh
>Preventing the "free movement of labor is fascistic" meme
Why do lolbertarians say this?
>The US can't be protectionistic when every other country is
Okay kid.
>Banning Muslims is bad
No, because multiculturalism is bad and leads to ethnic conflict

[Anonymous No.10066700]

>>10066666
WITNESSED

[Anonymous No.10066701]

>>10066682
>Most fatties are in circumstances that make it tricky to stay not fat due economical conditions.
Except natural foods are cheaper than fast food if you learn how to fucking cook. It's a cultural, not economic problem.
>Pain is an emotion
Except people respond to pain with emotions? Like anger or sadness. Pain is a reflex not an emotion

[Anonymous No.10066706]

>>10066642
>Secular gov=/= secular people
The people decide over their gov.

>where eastern Europe isn't a part of the western world when most people include it in their
Most people? Based on what? There is some wiggle room with countries like Poland or Romania but the majority in Ukraine or Russland don't see themselves as West European, just like none in the West sees them as part of it either.


>>10066645
>12%
Isn't that about how much support nazis got in Murica?

[Anonymous No.10066730]

>>10066690
>Except they did
Alright, I was trying to give anon some credit and accept his point as valid but if you want to undermine your case then okay. Let's add that to the examples of Trump's authoritarian policies.
>Except he promised to get us out of NATO to counter neo-cons?
Except promising to get the US out of NATO is an isolationist policy regardless?
>Huh
Except the alt-right are evidently guilty of this one as well? The source of your claim is some of the figures abandoning Trump for breaking his isolationist stance, yet during his campaign when they supported him he also promised massively boosting military spending.
>Why do lolbertarians say this?
Free trade is a fundamentally libertarian principle by all accounts. People who are domestically liberal but protectionist on foreign policy are paleoconservatives.
>Okay kid.
The US can be protectionist, I'm just saying it's anti-libertarian.
>No, because multiculturalism is bad and leads to ethnic conflict
Sure thing.
It's still authoritarian though. If you want to make the case that authoritarianism can be good then go on ahead, I won't argue with you. I'm making the case that independently of any moral judgements Trump is an authoritarian.

[Anonymous No.10066747]

>>10066701
>if you learn how to fucking cook.
Good luck doing it while jumping from one job to another.

>Except people respond to pain with emotions?
Holy shit, people can feel more than one thing at the same time!
Sorry, this is getting ... painfully dull.

Have something to read (preferably without rushing so you won't misunderstand stuff again):
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3152687/
http://www.pnas.org/content/108/15/6270.long (dem neckbeards will love this one)

[Anonymous No.10066771]

>>10066706
>The people decide over their gov.
>Not knowing anything about out the history of the United States or Turkey
We had a secular government and a religious people. Because that is a liberal ideal
>Based in what
Cultural similarities?

>>10066730
>Alt right supported ZOG
"No"
>It's anti-libertarian to be protectionistic
Nope. Property rights and freedom of association muthafaka
>It's still authoritarian though
No even a little bit.

[Anonymous No.10066777]

>>10066771

[Anonymous No.10066779]

>>10066777

[Anonymous No.10066786]

>>10066771
>Not knowing anything about out the history of the United States or Turkey
Both are democratic countries. Don't blame the government for idiots voting against their own interests.

>Because that is a liberal ideal
Which most agreed to.