/lit/ - Literature

[Anonymous No.10376771]

What are some good books that advocate cultural marxism? I'm trying to consider different points of view?

[Anonymous No.10376778]

"cultural marxism" is a term that is basically exclusively used by the right. it would be hard to find something in defense of it because leftists don't typically self identify as cultural marxists

[Anonymous No.10376806]

>>10376778
Forgot about Gramsci did ya?

[Anonymous No.10376817]

Imagine actually earnestly believing “cultural marxism” is a widely accepted term with objective meaning.

You know where you need to back to, you ducking trog.

[Anonymous No.10376916]

>>10376771
It goes Hegel->Marx->postmodern literature

[Anonymous No.10376934]

>>10376771
Grand Hotel Abyss is a good recent book on the frankfurt school

[Anonymous No.10377028]

>>10376817
>Imagine actually earnestly believing in terms have objective meaning.

[Anonymous No.10377195]

>>10376806
Gramsci never used that concept.

[Anonymous No.10377209]

>>10376771
No one but the right uses that term, it's meaning less in an academic sense.

[Anonymous No.10377220]

>>10376778
Nobody "self identifies" as a cultural marxist because it's a term of abuse.

[Anonymous No.10377261]

>>10377220
Does no one self indentify as a cultural marxist for the same reason no one self identifies as a crypto-jew?

[Anonymous No.10377268]

>>10377220
It's more of a blanket term meant to cover topics, thoughts, acts, events, people even remotely related with the left, Marxism, communism, critical theory/cultural criticism, postmodernism/poststructuralism, economic populism or skepticism the speaker wishes to dismiss when speaking to an audience whose mind is already set against these things and therefore doesn't care to learn about them.

[Anonymous No.10377275]

Cultural Marxism can have two definitions

>Analyzing culture from a Marxist perspective
>Analyzing culture as the fundamental core of Marxism

The former is redundant and the latter is an oxymoron. Cultural Marxism doesn't exist.

[Anonymous No.10377282]

>>10376771
It would have to be an existing concept for people to defend it.

[Anonymous No.10377285]

Shills really came in full force in here.
Read books from the Frankfurt School. They are the ones that usually write all the marxist autism.

[Anonymous No.10377290]

>>10377268
Why do leftists always adopt this martyred tone? It's like you're genuinely offended that some /pol/tard doesn't have the patience to wade through thousands of pages of irrelevant philosophy.

[Anonymous No.10377294]

>>10377285
I guarantee you have not read a single text from a single Frankfurt theorist.

In terms of communism, you have, at most, read the Manifesto.

[Anonymous No.10377305]

>>10376771
>cultural marxism
>>>/pol/
>>>/r/The_Donald/
>>>/Jordan Peterson's comment section/

[Anonymous No.10377311]

>>10377290
>why are people annoyed at retards sperging out about subject they didn't even spend the time to study?

[Anonymous No.10377314]

>>10377285
Elitists who were angry at capitalism for increasingly isolating and commodifying the individual, constantly frustrated that college students were jerks to them?
Why do you talk about a book when you have no idea what it's about [You're thinking of the dialectic of Enlightenment, but I would bet 10billion shekels you haven't', and won't, ever read it]

[Anonymous No.10377317]

>>10377294
>in terms of communism, you have, at most, read the book which defines the most basic aspects of Communism and which is used as a base for any further developments of the ideology
Why are you telling me this?

[Anonymous No.10377322]

>>10377290
>why would someone have to know about the thing they spend all day bitching about, want made a no no topic of discussion or inquiry, want erased from the historical and intellectual record?
And please don't reply with some snide reiteration of your personal beliefs or a fucking picture representing them

[Anonymous No.10377324]

>>10377290
Well, when this irrelevant philosophy is made out to be the grandest conspiracy in the history of West despite zero academic study to it, it kinda bothers the people who are being accused of being a part of it.

[Anonymous No.10377338]

>>10377285
>it's another "try to demonize Trotsky but accidentally make him look fucking metal" poster

[Anonymous No.10377340]

>>10377311
So? Grow a thicker skin. Not everyone is as invested in this stuff as you are.

[Anonymous No.10377341]

>>10377317
>read the book which defines the most basic aspects of Communism
what

the Manifesto was a call to action, not an explanation of communist theory. The ABCs of Communism is a much better example of the latter type of book.

[Anonymous No.10377349]

>>10376771
No one from the Frankfurt school was a cultural marxist and people like Adorno and Horkheimer despised degeneracy, absolutely deplored homosexuality, women being whores, lasciviousness, pop culture, hollywood, atheism, materialism, consumerism. The idea that they were in favor of these things is a blatant lie by people who never bothered picking up a book outside of their tiny little field of interests. Read what they wrote you fuckwit. Baudrillard, Foucault, Deleuze, Derrida are not cultural marxists they are post-modernists you fuck its not the same thing at all.

[Anonymous No.10377351]

>>10377324
>grandest conspiracy in the history of West

It's not. You and the peterson fags are equally cringy and retarded.

[Anonymous No.10377352]

>>10377340
>Not everyone is as invested in this stuff as you are.
I'm not invested in "this stuff", I'm not a marxist. Calling retards retarded takes me barely any time. And I'm pretty sure the retards that sperg about retarded conspiracies all day care a lot about this, they're just too dumb to actually research it.

[Anonymous No.10377358]

>>10377317
>read the book which defines the most basic aspects of Communism
Way to prove that poster was right.

[Anonymous No.10377368]

I've got zero clue why people suddenly get triggered by people using the phase "Cultural Marxist", why are they so insistent the Frankfurt School didn't critique popular culture now? somebody give me the rundown.

[Anonymous No.10377372]

>>10377352
>It's more of a blanket term meant to cover topics, thoughts, acts, events, people even remotely related with the left, Marxism, communism, critical theory/cultural criticism, postmodernism/poststructuralism, economic populism or skepticism the speaker wishes to dismiss when speaking to an audience whose mind is already set against these things and therefore doesn't care to learn about them.

No, you're not invested at all, of course not.

[Anonymous No.10377374]

>>10376778
/thread

[Anonymous No.10377375]

>>10377372
That wasn't me. The poster is completely right though, I don't see your point.

[Anonymous No.10377387]

>>10376771
Your entire society is culturally Marxist, i.e., run by jews who promote social atomization to divide non-jews.

[Anonymous No.10377388]

>>10377317
Jesus. The Communist Manifesto was written in a hurry to outline the concrete time-specific short-term goals Marx and Engels thought communists should try to achieve at the time.
It is not the theoretical foundation of anything, the best parallel to draw from it to any contemporary writing would be something like Labours new manifesto (which is of course much less radical) and should be viewed as such. If you are interested in the communist activity of the middle of the 19th century, it is certainly a must read, but if you are more interested in Marx' general political theory, it is a really poor introduction.
If anyone is interested in a simple and short introduction to Marx, you should read Value, Price and Profit and Wage Labour and Capital. For a more philosophical entry point, read Thesis on Feuerbach.

[Anonymous No.10377390]

>>10377375
Not seeing the point is a pretty common experience for you, isn't it?

[Anonymous No.10377396]

This charge against postmodernism that has been so popular recently (no recently, really ever since it was first started) is because it challenges the cultural structures of power in society. If you follow thinkers who combat postmodernism today, you should question what it is these thinkers are protesting against (also, why they don't penetrate into the actual philosophy itself in their dismissal of it). Are you happy with the status quo, so happy you immediately reject any question or critique of it or those who produce it? It's ironic (not funny though) how these people who I don't want to label, but the type who always rail against postmodernism or critical theory are of the same mindset as these schools were, and I think are concerned with the same questions.

[Anonymous No.10377402]

>>10377390
You really showed me, anon.

[Anonymous No.10377403]

>>10377375
He's trolling you, bucko. He wants to derail and drown-out discussion. He's postmodern.

[Anonymous No.10377412]

>>10377368
The term is essentially an updated version of calling something "Judeo-Bolshevist" or "Cultural bolshevism", both of which were Weimar republic dog whistles for accusing someone of being a secret communist. To liberals, against whom its often used, its insulting as it posits their ideology as an offshoot of anti-democratic movement not very well known for its progressivism, and for Marxists it is insulting in that it essentially states that Marxists' main interest would not be economic conditions of the working class.

[Anonymous No.10377415]

>>10377396
Maybe if it wasn't grandiloquent obscurantist gibberish mixed with pseudoscience it wouldn't be counterproductive to said challenge.

[Anonymous No.10377424]

>>10377387
>Collectivists, not consumer driven capitalism, are responsible for the atomization of the west
>The frankfurt school, people who complained constantly in books nobody really ever read but talk about constantly, about how social atomization was killing the west, are responsible for this
interesting, tell me more, what's your favorite sargon video?

[Anonymous No.10377454]

>>10377424
Never ceases to amaze me how shabbos goyim like this poster miss the target by a mile when pretending like they understand these jewish ideologies, which Sargon or anyone like him, by the way, most definitely never talks about.

[Anonymous No.10377455]

>>10377412
That's actually a really nice summary Anon, good job.

[Anonymous No.10377468]

>>10377454
Using stormfag memes instead of arguments doesn't work outside of /pol/. Try again.

[Anonymous No.10377481]

>>10377454
What shocks me is you haven't posted your JEWS IN MEDIA macro yet

[Anonymous No.10377517]

>>10377468
>>10377481

www.reddit.com

^Clink link and never hit the back button again. This place is where adult white men discuss the jewish problem. Get used to it, learn about it, and participate, or go elsewhere.

[Anonymous No.10377527]

>>10377368
Because it is explicitly an antisemitic conspiracy theory invented by the American “paleoconservatives” in the 90s because they needed a new enemy now that the Soviet Union was gone, and hadn’t yet latched on to Islam. William Lind and Pat Buchanan are the ones who invented it, and intentionally as a modernization of the Nazi ‘cultural-Bolshevism’ conspiracy.

Except now instead of women wanting to work and vote, sex researchers acknowledging homosexuality, the public acceptance of Jews, abstract art and atonal music, today it’s third wave feminism, gay people, interracial marriage, rock music and so on. And right now, thanks to people like Peterson we are getting it brought forward two decades to be about transgender people, blacklivesmatter, and women’s studies or whatever else.

It’s all this repetition of ‘taking the oppressor/oppressed dynamic of capitalists and workers, and making about men and women, blacks and whites, strights and gays’ or whatever. As if those were conflict which didn’t exist before Marx. It’s historically illiterate.

[Anonymous No.10377543]

>>10377387

>Jewish Marxism promotes conflict between black and white, men and women etc, promoting collectivism

>Jews promote social atomization to divide non-Jews.

Hmmmm.

I’m pretty sure it was Peterson who cried over how much he loves individualism.

[Anonymous No.10377545]

>>10377527
The zombiesque true believer vibe oozing from this post is gnarly. Which one are you, m8?

[Anonymous No.10377552]

>>10377545
See >>10377468

[Anonymous No.10377567]

>>10377552
I've only been to pol twice, which is why I ignored you the first time. Do you want to talk about the real world or about your little online kiddie squabbles with the meanies down the hall?

[Anonymous No.10377578]

>>10377567
>Do you want to talk about the real world
Is talking about the real world equivalent to posting retarded memes to you? Again, feel free to use argument whenever you feel prepared, brainlet.

[Anonymous No.10377607]

>>10377578
Walling greentext, equating me with some cuck who doesn't even talk about jews, then claiming I'm the one not engaging in proper argumentation was a bad strategy on your part if you actually wanted what you claim to, which you of course don't.

[Anonymous No.10377613]

>>10377607
Still waiting for an argument, I know you can do it if you put all your brainpower to it.

[Anonymous No.10378028]

>>10377543
The Jews are behind both collectivism and indivualism. Everything really. Including the fall of Eden.

[Anonymous No.10379217]

>>10377338
These are pretty cool honestly.

[Anonymous No.10379239]

>ctrl + f "Lyotard"
>0 results found
When did /lit/ get replaced with hordes of brainlets
Read the Postmodern Condition, OP
It's most garbage and hard to follow due to Lyotard's autism. However, in it you'll be able to fish out some lines which form the cornerstone of Social Marxism. Predominantly shit about "lol logic isn't real dude. It's just rhetoric. And all rhetoric is equally rhetoric, and thus invalid."

[Anonymous No.10379280]

>>10379239
You sound like a leftover leftist from the 90s who still doesn't understand the jewish problem and strode in along the weblanes here to promote some jewish shill you yourself don't even understand. Am I wrong?

[Anonymous No.10379281]

>>10376771
You can't learn about something that doesn't exist.

[Anonymous No.10379300]

>>10377527
>Except now instead of women wanting to work and vote, sex researchers acknowledging homosexuality, the public acceptance of Jews, abstract art and atonal music, today it’s third wave feminism, gay people, interracial marriage, rock music and so on.

Ironically enough it's working class people who hate this kind of shit the most, and privileged college students who are the most vocal in their support for it. Somewhere along the line, the left lost its proletariat.

I mean, the original communists weren't even such bad people, they just wanted justice for the workers. There's nothing demonic about that in and of itself, it's a legitimate concern. Nowadays you're getting your knickers in a twist over things like "trans acceptance" and "islamophobia." It's like watching a bad comedy movie. What did Marx say? First as tragedy then as farce?

[Anonymous No.10379315]

>>10379300
>Ironically enough it's working class people who hate this kind of shit the most

You'll quickly realize it has nothing to do with irony when you understand that its the jews infesting your urban centers and promoting these policies who are your enemies, instead of "privileged college students" or anyone else.

[Anonymous No.10379343]

>>10376916
Wrong! WRONG!

[Anonymous No.10379371]

>>10377396
>Are you happy with the status quo, so happy you immediately reject any question or critique of it or those who produce it?
The people who don't want the status quo challenged aren't happy with it, which is precisely why they don't want to put themselves in more danger.

[Anonymous No.10379505]

>>10377340
The problem is they are invested, there's tons of /pol/ idiots who are seriously concerned that leftists want to use postmodernism to take over western society.

[Anonymous No.10379526]

>>10376771
Cultural Marxism isn't really a thing. Just read any political book popular with progressives.
>>10379505
Well they do. Even if they don't understand the subject. It's rather easy to observe the nefarious ways it's used.

[Anonymous No.10379531]

>>10379505
The idea that cultural Marxism is a ploy to take over western society from the inside is a bit extreme for my liking.
However I do think the awareness of such an evil plan will strengthen culture as a whole as a means of defense.
If if it's purely theoretical, imagine what would happen if people started to try and counter it by producing art they agree with themselves?
I think the question shouldn't be if cultural Marxism is real. It should be how it benefits cultural in the long run.

[Anonymous No.10379596]

>>10379217
>communist propaganda
>cool

lmao

[Anonymous No.10379640]

>>10379596
The art not the message it carries.
Propaganda usually looks cool.

[Anonymous No.10379648]

>>10376771
It doesn't exist. It's an idea made up by the right. There are no 'cultural Marxists'.

[Anonymous No.10379658]

>>10377317
Obvious false flag is obvious

[Anonymous No.10379989]

>>10379648
Things existing or not existing are not relevant to how a concept can change culture.

[Anonymous No.10381342]

>>10377322
>you need to read thousands of pages of dead Marxists bloviating about the exact same few points
This is exactly the sort of tactic that leftists love to employ -look at the form. Why would you need a ten thousand word rebuttal to a 19th century piece of anti Western propaganda? The tenets of Marxism fail because they go against the natural order. That's all there is to it. Stop advocating for the death of the West, and we'll stop talking about it.

/shrug

[Anonymous No.10381374]

>>10381342
epic false flag

[Anonymous No.10381391]

>>10376771
There's no such thing as cultural Marxism.

[Anonymous No.10381416]

>>10379531
I think the smart neonazis, which are a tiny minority, don't actually believe the shit they spout, they just do it because it's useful to their goals. I mean, there's a ton of fake quotes, lies and made up shit with clear propaganda purposes, the people that made them have to be aware that they are lying.
The idea of truth as a political tool is disgusting though. Also, it makes stormfags closer to postmoderns than the people they hate.

[Anonymous No.10381442]

>>10381391
Yes there is. Cultural Marxism is a similar and slightly more suggestive term for political correctness but a less direct term for what it really describes which is jewish distortion of language and culture.

[Anonymous No.10381464]

>>10381442
It's just a term conservatives use to describe anything they don't like
> jewish distortion of language and culture
kek

[Anonymous No.10381831]

>>10381416
>The idea of truth as a political tool is disgusting though
As someone who hates those that fetishize truth, I find it interesting/. Too bad its still infected with a schizophrenic antisemitism.

[Anonymous No.10382673]

>>10376771
So which books do you recommend for starting to read marxs?

[Anonymous No.10382755]

>>10377388
>>10377285
someone have moar?

[Anonymous No.10382769]

>>10382673
Get the basics of the JQ down beforehand so you'll be able to read between the lines.

[Anonymous No.10382808]

>>10377275
Marxism in this case doesnt refer to actual marxism, it refers to the materialist restructuring of society around anti traditional values and thought control.

[Anonymous No.10383343]

>>10382808
>Marxism in this case doesnt refer to actual marxism,

Than don't call it Marxism.

>anti traditional values and thought control.
All forms of philosophy are 'thought control' and 'traditional values' is a fucking buzz word like 'family values'

[Anonymous No.10383375]

>>10383343
I think the point he's getting at is that Marxism is jewish "philosophy," i.e., not our own.

[Anonymous No.10383535]

>>10383375
>racial groups can "own" universalist philosophical tendencies
wow anon for a moment you really made me think there

[Anonymous No.10383552]

>>10383535
What is:
>Christianity
>communism
>neoliberalism

[Anonymous No.10383605]

>>10376771

"Cultural marxism" does not exist because it makes absolutely no sense. It's pushed by American retards who don't even know about Marx or communism beyond anything they don't like.

[Anonymous No.10383609]

threads like these are why we can't talk about marx on 4chan

[Anonymous No.10383628]

>>10383609
Yeah, JIDF always comes out in full force

[Anonymous No.10383635]

>>10383605
"Cultural Marxism" refers to the general application of the Frankfurt School's Marxist ideology to the social sciences.

[Anonymous No.10383643]

>>10383635
plus their emphasis on consumption rather than (just) production

[Anonymous No.10383653]

>>10377195
Except he explicitly outlines just that, you fucking pseud how am I the first to give (you)

[Anonymous No.10383658]

>>10377290
>doesn't have the patience to wade through thousands of pages of irrelevant philosophy.
Despite the fact that he thinks those pages represent the cataclysmic upheaval of western civilization?

[Anonymous No.10383733]

>>10377290
Academics get pedantic in order to defend themselves against accusations that their work is harmful. One doesn't need to be educated to recognize that, but they can use the supposed ignorance of the critic in order to dismiss him.

[Anonymous No.10383772]

>muh joos

[Anonymous No.10383780]

>>10383772
You don't say.

[Anonymous No.10383822]

>>10383375
That makes even LESS sense. I think what you are trying to say is that Jews and Marxism are handy words to refer to anything you dislike. And you view reality as a war between good guys and Jews, who sort of fill the role that Satan does in Christianity. That's really the best I can discern.

[Anonymous No.10383829]

the fact the Frankfurt school exists is something the left is ashamed of and needs to hide

[Anonymous No.10383837]

>>10383829
>the left is ashamed of the frankfurts
Are you living in reality, anon? That's bullshit.

[Anonymous No.10383845]

>>10383822
Not much of a dot connector, eh. You know Marx was a jew, right?

[Anonymous No.10383846]

>>10383837
The fact "they shared the Marxist Hegelian premises and were preoccupied with similar questions" means that their entire social theory is based off of Marxism. Which makes the Frankfurt school Marxism, applied to culture. Literally culturally Marxism. It's a buzzword that triggers lefties because of a flaw in their rationality

[Anonymous No.10383853]

>>10383846
Nobody on the left denies that, but the term Cultural Marxism is a loaded term, filled with over-the-top conspiratorial nonsense. Nobody on the left is ashamed of the Frankfrut School.

[Anonymous No.10383864]

>>10383853
It's not conspiratorial to acknowledge that most of them were jews with bad intentions.

[Anonymous No.10383869]

>>10383864
>jews with bad intentions
You guys really are a broken record huh

[Anonymous No.10383876]

>>10383869
die pre-post-factnorm

[Anonymous No.10383886]

>>10383876
If you wanna actually talk about critiques of the Franks, I'm down. But when you show up with le evil joo nonsense, you're inviting people to ignore everything you say.

[Anonymous No.10383887]

>>10383869
It's not even controversial dumbass.

[Anonymous No.10383892]

>>10383886

[Anonymous No.10383912]

>>10383845
You do know you're doing the alt-right equivalent of "all problems in society are caused by white men"?

[Anonymous No.10383954]

>>10383912
Facts are facts, nigger. It's not a bit anyone's "doing," it's just reality.

[Anonymous No.10383979]

>>10383954
Lol, k

[Anonymous No.10384044]

lol /lit/ has propaganda threads for /pol/

[Anonymous No.10384078]

>>10383653
No he does not

Gramsci was a Marxist, the only thing "cultural" about him was his probably incorrect belief that increasing the quantity and quality of Marxist literature would cause more people to become socialists and agitate for revolution

Cultural Marxism refers to an imaginary group of "Marxists" who care about race and gender but not class, and believe in a revolution to fight sexism or racism or whatever. While there are definitely a lot of crazy and military SJWs out there, these people aren't Marxists and they don't read Marx.

The Cultural Marxism conspiracy theory is an attempt to unite modern disgust with SJW stuff with Cold War era fears of Soviet communism

[Anonymous No.10384107]

>>10383658
That attitude is fucking retarded. Marxism IS western civilization. The doctrine is no more foreign to the western canon than Nietzsche or Camus, as it's a synthetic development of the contributions of Hegel, Adam Smith, Henry Ricardo, and even Epicurus and Plutarch. Karl Marx made hugely important contributions to the canon of Western thought and you're in denial if you think his writing threatened or contradicted the rest of this canon.

>but but he's jewish
So was Spinoza, upon whose work rests pretty much all enlightenment philosophy.

[Anonymous No.10384111]

>>10383864
Bad intentions how?

[Anonymous No.10384116]

As has already been said here, 'cultural marxism' isn't actually a real thing...

[Anonymous No.10384119]

>>10384107
>Marxism IS western civilization.

The analysis in this post is wrong on so many levels. It's tempting, but alas, one can only devote so much time to fighting the endless hordes of brainwashed idiots online.

[Anonymous No.10384130]

>>10383892
Stop dodging the question

Explain why you're so terrified of a pretty irrelevant group of philosophers from 1950 or fuck off

[Anonymous No.10384133]

>>10384107
It's rather silly to conceive on any civilization as some sort of monolith. They all contain some conflicting or contradictory elements, and Marxism certainly conflicts with some of them. Now, if it conflicted with elements someone wished to preserve, they wouldn't be wrong in saying that it may be working towards the destruction of the civilization.

[Anonymous No.10384134]

>>10376771

Start with this one. But beware it is an elitist, intellectual wankery from angry, resentful pseuds.

[Anonymous No.10384145]

>>10384116
Yes it is. And some itt have provided good, basic definitions of it like >>10383635 and
>>10382808
You're welcome to suggest another term for this jewish mode of critiquing the "other" but going by the butthurt "cultural Marxism" seems to evoke it seems quite effective.

[Anonymous No.10384182]

Cultural Marxisim is just the offshoot of marxist studies that looks into why the superstructure (capitalism) maintains itself despite its contradictions and that the base (economic conditions) are ripe for communism.

[Anonymous No.10384188]

>>10382808
Then don't call it fucking Marxism!

[Anonymous No.10384220]

>>10384119
>I can't make an argument so I'm going to pretend like you're not worth my time.

[Anonymous No.10384226]

>>10376771
How to Destroy White Society in 10 Easy Steps by Cultural Marx

[Anonymous No.10384400]

>>10384107
Jesus Christ how can someone be this retarded

[Anonymous No.10384440]

>>10384400
"Be this jewish," you mean.

[Anonymous No.10384501]

>>10383845
You do know he spoke g*rman? The real issue is the g*rmanic question.

[Anonymous No.10385364]

>>10384119
What's not western about Marxism?

[Anonymous No.10385446]

>>10376771
As a National Socialist, I actually like Marx's points against industrial capitalism, and I don't believe most modern leftists to be anything other than neoliberal tools, not actually having any common ground with Marx.

Read Das Kapital, if you want to appreciate Marx. Read Gulag archipelago, to remind yourself of why we're hostile to communists. Marx's ideas should be taken into future social-economic planning, in any case.

[Anonymous No.10385457]

>>10377285
>>10377338
>>10379217
wtf i'm a trot now

[Anonymous No.10385579]

>>10384440
Judaism is Western civ too LOL

They've been part of it longer than some European powers dude.

[Anonymous No.10385594]

>>10384145
>it's okay to use a word incorrectly if it triggers people lol
This is /lit/, your particular brand of autism might get you the positive reinforcement you desire on /pol/ but not here. If you think the jews are mind controlling people to destroy civilization say the jews are mind controlling people to destroy civilization, using made up words doesn't make you look smart or add any credibility to your arguments.

[Anonymous No.10385607]

>>10385446

This. Don't buy the Marx capital is selling

[Anonymous No.10385619]

>>10384119
>jaja you're wrong because you're stupid brainwashed but I'm too smart to explain why
>also did you know we're on the INTERNET
We're reaching levels of falseflagging that shouldn't be possible.

[Anonymous No.10385628]

>>10376771
modern meme scholarship aside, i think the closest you'll find is probably Herbert Marcuse, the most retarded member of the frankfurt school

Gramsci is about tactics, he was left but recently the best gramscians are on the right

[Anonymous No.10385824]

>>10385628
I don't think Marcuse had any noteworthy influence, at least in Marxism. I'm in discord servers and political groups with thousands of socialists, and the only time I've ever heard his name is when Marxists complain about him.

[Anonymous No.10385852]

>>10385824
he had nefarious influence in the 1960s, hopefully he is been forgotten, but many of the stuff he wrote could be copy/pasted into current year normie leftism

[Anonymous No.10385903]

4chan reaches peak hilarity when you see how /pol/ goes mental over le evil Frankfurt school, but would lap up and champion something like the Culture Industry if they had the ability to read

[Anonymous No.10385912]

>>10385903
somehow Memerson killed the frankfurt school meme and now it's all about postmodernism, which is kind of weird that he was able to turn so fast, given that the frankfurt school works better for conspiracy theories retardation

[Anonymous No.10385924]

>>10385912
I'm clueless as to what Frankfurt actually is. All I know is the conspiracy story. But is there even a link between Frankfurts and Post-Modernism?

Isn't Post-modernism all about criticizing existing templates of thought rather than trying to push alternatives?

[Anonymous No.10385993]

>>10385924
there's all sort of crazy links in philosophy, so if you really want you can find anything, but yeah, in general the frankfurt school project is not postmodern, even though you could call their project kind of pessimistic about modernity and the enlightenment project in general, so you could find a link there, but the frankfurt school doesn't really find any liberation in that pessimism like some so-called postmodernists do

>Isn't Post-modernism all about criticizing existing templates of thought rather than trying to push alternatives?
Post-modernism is about whatever you want to make it, most of the criticism of post-modernism is of post-modernism used as a tool or as a tactic to push very clear "templates of thought" as you call them, so post-modernism for you, but not for me, deconstruction for you, but not for me

which is why the so-called has been alt-right has been so successful at pushing back against a lot of leftist dogma, by adopting many of the same post-modernist tactics that were traditionally used by the left, and it's what makes the alt-right just as degenerate as the left

[Anonymous No.10385994]

>>10385446
>As a National Socialist, I actually like Marx
That "actually" right there is redundant.

There's little difference between the nazis and the communists. The communists just wanted to aim the agenda internationally, while the national socialists wanted to aim the agenda, well, nationally.

[Anonymous No.10386030]

>>10384133
>It's rather silly to conceive on any civilization as some sort of monolith
>They wouldn't be wrong in saying that it MAY be working towards the destruction of the civilization
Self-contradiction AND backpedalling in the same paragraph. Le master race does it again :^)

[Anonymous No.10386075]

>>10385994
>Corporatist Ethnostates operating on a permanent wartime economy are LITERALLY the same thing as organizing worker control of the means of production
Glad to know that in just a few short hours on YouTube, I too can become an enlightened rationality expert

[Anonymous No.10386078]

>>10386030
You've basically told us that you have trouble understanding how multiple perspectives exists. It would be too troublesome to consider that while trying to conduct witch-hunts for the (((their))) influence

[Anonymous No.10386108]

>>10385903
I'm reading Eclipse of Reason right now and it gives me infinite amounts of pleasure knowing that every poltard memelord would agree with Frankfurt School critiques of modernity if they weren't too busy wasting their time shitposting about the Jewish Question.

[Anonymous No.10386113]

>>10385924
The Frankfurt scholars were one of many different small groups of Marxist academics who analyzed class society in the 40s and 50s in Germany, Austria, and the US. The most famous of them are Walter Benjamin and Adorn who mostly wrote about how art and media are greatly proliferated under capitalism while at the same time being cheapened and perverted. Benjamin believed that visual art had practically been destroyed by capitalistic production, because by 1940 the vast majority of art was being produced in print shops by the thousand, rather than being made with care by individual artists. Adorno had similar feelings about jazz and pop music.

These guys were not super influential and had a pretty limited historical impact. Besides Benjamin and Adorno none of them are read by either Marxists or philosophy students today. They're the center of a conspiracy theory because they were all or mostly Jewish and interested in critical analysis of our society. But none of them had remotely bad intentions and they weren't active in politics.

Many tankies dislike them because they were all opposed to the Soviet Union. Horkheimer, I believe, didn't even call himself a communist and never advocated for anything beyond social democracy. I don't know much about Marcuse but I think he was just a liberal who appropriated parts of Marxism in his analysis.

[Anonymous No.10386128]

>>10386075
Read Marx, read Hitler, read other works and see how much Hitler and the nazi's politics were unfluenced by Marx. Hitler was a big government kind of guy who really liked the idea of wealth-distribution and a centrally planned government.

[Anonymous No.10386137]

>>10386128
>tfw the word "privatization" had to be invented to describe your government's policies but people still call you a marxist/socialist/communist

[Anonymous No.10386151]

>>10386137
>every socialist/marxist/communist country ends up with a dictatorial government while proclaiming to benefit the masses
>Hitler wanted a large and powerful government, distribute the wealth from the jews and benefit germans

No no, I see how they're totally different.

[Anonymous No.10386154]

>>10386113
>they weren't active in politics.
>I don't know much about Marcuse
or anyone else really

[Anonymous No.10386179]

>>10383635
but Frankfurt School is an application of heterodox Marxist theory to the social sciences

its a descriptive, not a precriptive project in any case

[Anonymous No.10386183]

>>10385924
>>10386113
Wait I forgot to add -- the Frankfurt School was not postmodern. Postmodernism emerged as a reaction to this type of research.

While Marxists like the Frankfurt scholars and their more influential French counterparts Sartre, Althusser, and Debord talked about the ways capitalism and class society shape human behavior, postmodernists argued that "narratives" are reductive and would instead argue that power, which can take many forms, shapes human behavior.

Postmodernism was rooted in liberalism rather than Marxism and postmodernists generally disagree with Marxist political attitudes. While French Marxists spend the 50s and 60s arguing whether the USSR was socialist or state capitalist, postmodernists said it didn't matter because the communist party had the same capacity to oppress as any capitalist government or employer.

Postmodernists were some of the first people to say stuff like "fascism and communism are the same" and view the USSR not as a proletarian project but an authoritarian despotism. They were some of the first people to seriously develop liberal social analysis after the rise of academic Marxism in the 1930s.

[Anonymous No.10386204]

>>10385824
post discord

[Anonymous No.10386220]

>>10385924
Postmodernists disliked Frankfurt School's almost reactionary attitude towards popular culture and they overt obsession with pre-war Europe.

One of the last stories of note in Adorno's life was when students interrupted his class in 1968 and started to mock him by planting a flower crown and laughing at his old timey, oafish views.

[Anonymous No.10386227]

>>10386204
https://discordapp.com/invite/GKxyT2h
Only worthwhile leftist discord

[Anonymous No.10386228]

>>10386151
yes, they're totally the same when you take words and twist them into the form you want them to be, brilliant observation

[Anonymous No.10386232]

Lordy do jews attack these threads in force to defend the tribe. My favorite line is how WNs would actually agree with the frankfurt school jews who were run out of a nationalist nation. Lol. Any white guy who reads the writings of frankfurt school jews and has even a slight awareness of common hebrew deceptions should be able to pick up with ease the subversive nature of their work. It's really blatant, which is why there's not even any real gray area around frankfurt school jews, cultural marxism, and jews generally. But it's this obviousness that probably causes the jews on lit to launch into full damage control.

[Anonymous No.10386238]

>>10386220
God damn that makes me angry. How the FUCK is it old fashioned to recognize that class exists?

Liberals should be shot.

[Anonymous No.10386283]

>>10386151
>Nazis and Communists are exactly the same because Hitler and Stalin we're both authoritarian
This is some next level analysis I'll tell you what

[Anonymous No.10386309]

>>10386232
I really love this


>left
Meme comics from 4chan. Tabloids that are essentially the click-bait of their time.

>right
googled images of classic art and arcitecture to virtue signal to other polalcks
Pictures of sexy women with white skin
A fucking tv show!
"virtuaism" lol. Yep virtue signaling.

So to clariffy it's

Click bait vs right-wing virtue signalling. Pathetic shallowness based purely on symbols with no relationship to anything outside of internet-shit posting at all.

And than crowned with smuggness "decide"

[Anonymous No.10386322]

>>10386283
Thank postmodernism for this.

Earlier analyses focused on the values, goals, and ideologies that set the Bolsheviks apart from the Nazis. People cared less about their crude organizational similarity.

[Anonymous No.10386329]

>>10386232
Yes random white Brits converting to Islam is exactly what Marx wanted

[Anonymous No.10386335]

>>10386309
That's culture jews create vs that of white.

[Anonymous No.10386344]

>>10386322
>it's your fault that I'm a retard!

[Anonymous No.10386350]

>>10386309
The alt right is an entirely aesthetic movement.

[Anonymous No.10386367]

>>10386350
>pepe le kek
i am sure it's full of artists

[Anonymous No.10386378]

I believe the satanic bible is their main piece.

[Anonymous No.10386382]

>>10386238
Recognizing class wasn't considered old fashioned. Adornor's fatalistic rants about how there is no purity in an evil world and how society is essentially doomed to be exploited was.

[Anonymous No.10386390]

White people need to die out lmao xD

[Anonymous No.10386402]

>>10386382
he was right though

[Anonymous No.10386481]

>>10376771
I'm looking for good evil. If you can help me, I can show you cultural marxism in its habitat.
It actually means psychological promotion of ideologies through mass media, education and slogans. Control the input, control the output.

[Anonymous No.10386524]

>>10386335
Your idea of 'culture' is some paintings and statues that you probably have zero interest and pretty girls.

"culture Jews create" LOL such as Ben Garrison memes, Islam, 4chan inforgraphs, and tabloid magazines.

[Anonymous No.10386554]

>>10376771
>I'm trying to consider different points of view?
Why are you asking me if you're trying to consider different points of view? How should I know what you're trying to consider?

[Anonymous No.10386571]

>>10376771
>cultural marxism

[Anonymous No.10386631]

>>10379281
I'm a cryptozoologist, ufologist, and a sorcerer and I'm very offended by this post.

[Anonymous No.10386664]

>>10386350
This is closer to the truth than it seems

[Anonymous No.10386674]

>>10386664
Since when did they alt-right like aesthetics? Video games, movies, and pretty much every form of art are all degeneracy and probably made by the Jews. They don't even the classic art and even if they did it seems pretty subhuman to be championing a dead an inferior form of art.

[Anonymous No.10386678]

>>10386350
>>10386367
No it's certainly an aesthetic movement, although this does not mean that it's members are artistically inclined, their cartoon frog mascot isn't even their original creation. Their aesthetic largely functions as a shibboleth, increasingly esoteric stuff that you'd have to be 'redpilled' to really understand, mixed with some classical concertos and sculptures that they couldn't tell you the first thing about for respectability. It's aesthetization of a politics whose only positions are vague emotional assertions "x is good y is bad"; that ultimately boils down to nothing more than resentment and culture war

[Anonymous No.10386686]

>>10386674
>Since when did the alt-right like aesthetics?
>being this dense

[Anonymous No.10386701]

>>10386674
I don't think we're using the word "aesthetics" in the same way. I mean that they are primarily concerned with an image of society.

[Anonymous No.10386752]

>>10386678
They are young white men connecting with their history and heritage, and rejecting the vapid jewish culture that has overtaken their own. Even if many don't fully understand the artistic nuances of what they are engaging with and looking for meaning through, it's still important that they desire to carry those things on and use them as springboards from which to dismantle the global talmudic culture they rightly identify as the poison it is.

[Anonymous No.10386788]

>>10386752
Have you ever heard evanvlical Christians talk about the presense of Satan on earth? That's what you sound like.

>>10386701
Could you elaborate? I used to be sympathetic towards the alt-right until I realized the whole movement is just resentment and viscious moralizing. Half of the 'struggles' seem to be about things that only exist on the internet and have little connection to the rest of the universe.

[Anonymous No.10386801]

>>10386788
The alt right doesn't accept non-whites anyway.

[Anonymous No.10386829]

>>10386801
You don't 'accept' or 'reject' anything dummy. Anyone can use the word to describe themself, such as your Kekistani followers.

You're really just telling us that you don't have any concept of the world outside of the internet.

[Anonymous No.10386832]

>>10386752
I think the way you've linked vapid, superficial culture with the Talmudic study is interesting? I wonder if the Bible is just a false flag to make Jews look scholarly while they promote shit like celebrity worship.

[Anonymous No.10386841]

>>10386350
If true, then judging by how /pol/ looks, it's one of the ugliest aesthetic movements in history.

[Anonymous No.10386843]

>>10386829
Stop taking your mongrel insecurities about having no coherent identity out on people embracing their own.

[Anonymous No.10386872]

>>10386843
Speaking of insecurities.

[Anonymous No.10386877]

>>10376771
why you people can't just recomend the fucking books?
First of all, read Marx himself:

German Ideology & some chapters of The Capital (Fetichism, the most basic chapter)

after read some Marx, search for this books:

The Colapse of Modernization - Robert Kurz
Marx líntempestif - Daniel Bensaid
The production of space - Henri Lefebvre

Avoid Jameson and everything who looks the same.

[Anonymous̩ No.10386903]

>>10377290
>Why do Christians always adopt this etc. etc.

[Anonymous̩ No.10386912]

>>10383780
actually the first one is also from the 20th century

[Anonymous No.10386913]

>>10386788
>Could you elaborate? I used to be sympathetic towards the alt-right until I realized the whole movement is just resentment and viscious moralizing. Half of the 'struggles' seem to be about things that only exist on the internet and have little connection to the rest of the universe.

I more or less agree with your last comment, and I agree that the movement is essentially grounded in resent. But I say "aesthetic" because I think you're a little off the mark about moralizing--I don't think there is anything resembling a consistent ethics of the alt right, and I don't think their viciousness comes from enforcing anything moralistic. For them it is entirely about optics.

[Anonymous No.10386917]

>>10386788
>Have you ever heard evanvlical Christians talk about the presense of Satan on earth?
They're anomic people looking for a group to belong to, its contents don't really matter. Truth is subjugated to what the sect is expected to believe. Infinite access to knowledge and communication has multiplied antivaxxers, neonazis, flat earthers, tankies, etc instead of creating the rational masses the enlightenment would have expected. I guess posmos were right after all.

[Anonymous No.10386958]

>>10386917
Stop being obtuse. The alt right is a natural and unavoidable reaction to the demographic displacement occurring in every white nation. Simple cause and effect. These are merely white people who don't want to over the span of a generation or two become minorities in their own countries.

[Anonymous No.10386964]

>>10386232
please dont associate Parthenon with alt right

[Anonymous No.10386968]

>>10386958
The alt right goes well beyond immigration issues. Even in this thread.

[Anonymous No.10386974]

>>10386335
If you want to illustrate culture jews create then you need to include all the wonders of the 21st century west, since they have been a part of its development for quite some time now.

[Anonymous No.10386975]

>>10386913
It's one thing to develop an idea of aestetics or ethics and work with it, finding similiar people and expanding the idea, trying to make the idea appealing to outsiders to sell them on it. But it's another thing to be downright hostile to anyone that doesn't want to get on board (everything I don't like is degeneracy) and try to link everyone that isn't for you into a big bad (usually short-handed to 'the Jews'). That's really what you see. It's the difference between active and reactive thinking. The alt-right is very reactive, there's always some new fad about what to be bitter towards, and because they want a simple world view it needs to some how get connected back to the Jews.

>>10386917
The common thing seems to be that there must be some great looming spectre who is the source of all evil.

[Anonymous No.10386981]

>>10386968
Even so, I think it's undeniable that it is an embrace of identity politics, which is galvanized by immigration.

[Anonymous No.10386999]

>>10386975
>It's one thing to develop an idea of aestetics or ethics and work with it, finding similiar people and expanding the idea, trying to make the idea appealing to outsiders to sell them on it. But it's another thing to be downright hostile to anyone that doesn't want to get on board (everything I don't like is degeneracy) and try to link everyone that isn't for you into a big bad (usually short-handed to 'the Jews'). That's really what you see.

I think the miscommunication is a positive connotation of the word "aesthetics." I don't disagree with you at all. When I say it's an aesthetic movement, I don't mean to make it sound more benign. I mean to point out its intellectual vacuity.

[Anonymous No.10387018]

>>10386968
Insightful.

>>10386975
>connected back to the Jews
Well that's where all the bad shit generally connects back to. That there are a lot of people who notice those connections is a lot less odd than people pretending they don't exist.

[Anonymous No.10387026]

>>10386981
/pol/ embraced austrian economics with the same sectish fervor, the same spamming of memes, the same reductionist explanations of every event, before neonazism was in vogue. It's about belonging and about having a simplistic explain-all theory about the world for dumb people. /pol/ has a vast amount of non whites in their current echochamber, because the content of the echochamber is irrelevant.

[Anonymous No.10387049]

>>10387026
No doubt you're right about that, but I don't think /pol/ is synonymous with the alt-right.

[Anonymous No.10387065]

>>10387018
>Well that's where all the bad shit generally connects back to.

One could, with a trivial amount of effort, produce countless image macros illustrating the connection of powerful Anglo people doing things you disagree with politically. Or Catholics.

[Anonymous No.10387086]

>>10387018
>Well that's where all the bad shit generally connects back to.
In your narrow self-righteous point of view. All the bad shit really connects back to weakness, in all societies, in all cultures, in all eras. The Jews are physically weak but not mentally, they have an incredible knack to endure and persevere and solve problems, and the intellect is more dangerous than brute strength in civilization, which is precisely why there are repeatedly movements made against them.

What I have noticed about the anti-Semites is that they do not acknowledge the importance of the Abrahamic system in the development of western civilization. They have a one-sided view, which is that the civilization has always been in a state of near-decline, because of the Jews. Very revisionist. Nietzsche, who was a far better historian than any of them, understood better, and realized that Christianity (which sprung from Judaism, and still possessed many Judaic concepts) nurtured the west into what eventually became known as the modern scientific mind, and scientific analysis in general, by training people to study things from a single framework (God) that rests on the absolute (abstract, mathematics, etc.). And we see all the products of science — they are the products of the Abrahamic system, and the modern sciences are the evolutionary next level from the old religions.

[Anonymous No.10387116]

>>10387018
>Well that's where all the bad shit generally connects back to.
To quote my favorite jew, Popper: "It is easy to obtain confirmations, or verifications, for nearly every theory — if we look for confirmations."
I really recommend reading https://staff.washington.edu/lynnhank/Popper-1.pdf

[Anonymous No.10387120]

>>10387065
That's who built these countries so no shit, and there's no lack of traitors who do their paymasters' bidding within our ranks. They're even more detestable than the jews they let into their halls of power.

>>10387086
>Abrahamic system
The cultural subversion has been taking place for a very long time.

[Anonymous No.10387131]

>>10387120
>The cultural subversion has been taking place for a very long time.
Oh no. Please don't tell me it's another pagan larper episode.

[Anonymous No.10387141]

>>10387120
If one were to agree with you and the anti-Semites in general, then all cultural progress since the advent of the Abrahamic system is inherently cultural subversion. If you want to be free of such subversion, enjoy living out in the woods with no modern plumbing, electricity, etc.

[Anonymous No.10387145]

>>10387120
>The cultural subversion has been taking place for a very long time.
I really hope that when you get out of high school you stop LARPing as a Nazi, because beyond this stage of your life it will actually produce negative consequences.

[Anonymous No.10387151]

>>10387120
>if a jew does something you don't like, he's in a conspiracy, if a non jew does something you don't like he's working for a jew who is in a conspiracy
This is the power of spreading unfalsifiable theories to retards.

[Anonymous No.10387179]

cultural marxism is a meme

[Anonymous No.10387288]

>>10386701
Correct.

[Anonymous No.10387749]

>>10385912
It's pretty easy to get anti-academic conspiracy theories going because American society breeds resentment towards academics and academic institutions.

[Anonymous No.10387766]

>>10387131
>>10387141
>>10387145
>>10387151
Jewish swarm tactics, every time, to the tribe's defense. How many JIDF are assigned to this place, or do you kikes do it for free?

[Anonymous No.10388197]

>>10387766
>The concept of decadence.— Waste, decay, elimination need not be condemned: they are necessary consequences of life, of the growth of life. The phenomenon of decadence is as necessary as any increase and advance of life: one is in no position to abolish it. Reason demands, on the contrary, that we do justice to it. It is a disgrace for all socialist systematizers that they suppose there could be circumstances — social combinations — in which vice, disease, prostitution, distress would no longer grow.— But that means condemning life.— A society is not free to remain young. And even at the height of its strength it has to form refuse and waste materials. The more energetically and boldly it advances, the richer it will be in failures and deformities, the closer to decline.— Age is not abolished by means of institutions. Neither is disease. Nor vice.

>The whole moral struggle against vice, luxury, crime, even disease, appears a naivete and superfluous: there is no "improvement" (against repentance). Decadence itself is nothing to be fought: it is absolutely necessary and belongs to every age and every people. What should be fought vigorously is the contagion of the healthy parts of the organism. Is this being done? The opposite is done. Precisely that is attempted in the name of humanity. How are the supreme values held so far, related to this basic biological question? Philosophy, religion, morality, art, etc. (The cure: e.g., militarism, beginning with Napoleon who considered civilization his natural enemy.)

[Anonymous No.10388203]

>>10387749
t. gender studies major

[Anonymous No.10388238]

>>10387749
Gosh I wonder why that is

[Anonymous No.10388252]

>>10387766
Bait

[Anonymous No.10388270]

>>10388197
>>10386872

It's really amazing how all the years of wild ramblings by the alt-right can be put to rest with a few words from Nietzsche and icycalm.

[Anonymous No.10388281]

>>10388270
Never underestimate the left's ability to misunderstand and selectively quote Nietzsche to use for their own purposes.

[Anonymous No.10388298]

>>10388281
I think the context of the quote is fairly clear. It's discussing all the moral crusading against "degeneracy" the alt-right feels vindicated doing. In that regard they are not very different than the leftists who have their own flavor of moral crusading, maybe a little healthier since the alt-right are at least not utopian in their thinking.

[Anonymous No.10388312]

>>10388281
If you understood Nietzsche, you'd be writing what icycalm writes.

[Anonymous No.10388314]

>>10388298
The alt right could find many quotes from Nietzsche that back up their positions too. That people like yourself are seemingly unaware of this is why you're laughed at for this incomplete understanding of him and his work.

[Anonymous No.10388380]

>>10377412
Jewish paleoconservative Paul Gottfried uses the term. He studied under Marcuse and has a Ph.D from Yale. Its a legitimate term, though one could disagree as to its usefulness.

[Anonymous No.10388431]

>>10388238
I don't think people are necessarily wrong for holding those attitudes. Why shouldn't people resent a system that sets your path in life based on the decisions you made as a teenager.
>>10388314
It's a waste of time to search fora coherent political ideology within Nietzsche's works.

[Anonymous No.10388441]

>>10388431
>It's a waste of time to search fora coherent political ideology within Nietzsche's works.
At the very least, anyone who thinks he serves the alt-right, the anti-Semites, or that any of the quotes itt are intended to serve the "left," spent little to no time at all even trying.

[Anonymous No.10388490]

>>10388314
You can cherry pick quotes.

Probably the most obvious way that the alt-right has no relationship to Nietzsche's thought is how whiny they all are. If not that than their simple world view that categorizes everything into black absolutes, particularly where the Jews end up as the source of all evil (and if you know Nietzsche you know what calling someone 'evil' means...)

[Anonymous No.10388553]

>>10386752
>vapid jewish culture
>what is vapid german propaganda culture
>what is 1950’s boomer faggot red scare culture industry
lol at you brainlet

[Anonymous No.10388657]

>>10388490
Name something evil in the world and I'll find you a jew at the center of it.

>>10388553
>1950’s boomer
Epic fail.

[Anonymous No.10388663]

>>10388657
>le epic fail
lol the Jock Football Muscle Car Floral Dress Endless Summer culture isn’t Jewish. You massive faggot, that’s literally Germanic culture industry. What an embarassing liar you are

[Anonymous No.10388693]

>>10388663
You must be one of those 85 IQ mizrahi kikes.

[Anonymous No.10388801]

>>10386232
>common hebrew deceptions
I genuinely can't tell the pol satirists from the actual pol leakage in this board.

[Anonymous No.10388846]

>>10386232
>why latinos will pick the next president

>The Time piece explores how the Republican state, which has been the center of the immigration debate, will force politicians to shift their rhetoric about immigration in this country.

top fucking kek

[Anonymous No.10388911]

>>10377527
>'antisemitic conspiracy from the 90s'
>doesn't mention Allan Bloom, himself a Jew

Swing and a miss, anon

[Anonymous No.10389125]

leftism really is an ideology based on the worship of jews. anything written by a jew is an objective truth, any criticism of jews is heresy

[Anonymous No.10389128]

>>10388657
>Name something evil in the world and I'll find you a jew at the center of it.

Let's say the Jews really are at the source of all evil.

""All good people are weak: they are good because they are not strong enough to be evil"

evil=strong

I can't find it but he has another quote that basically says something like 'the way old societies valued things was that the strong were those most loved by god'

strong=loved by god=chosen by god

So basically our pal Nietzsche tells us that the Jews are God's chosen people =D For an elboration read aphorism #544 here
>>10386872

[Anonymous No.10389181]

>>10389128
What? Nietzsche unambiguously identifies the jews as the personified spreaders of weakness, slave morality.

[Anonymous No.10389236]

>>10377341
He hasn't even read the fucking manifesto.

[Anonymous No.10389255]

>>10389181
Yes he does, when discussing a group of Jews that are no younger than 2,000 years old. He does not advocate a view where Jews are some sort of eternal evil. That's the perspective of stupid alt-righters that can only process a simple, dumbed down version of reality where indivuals don't exist, cultures have no nuisances, and everything is organized into unchanging little groups. It would be like saying the Greeks are the bad guys in a Nietzschean perspective because they invented Democracy.

The Jews that first conceptualized slave morality would be the ones from 2,900-2,500 years ago establishing early religious doctrines or the one's during the time of Jesus. Interestingly enough the slave morality was Christianity was done pretty much entirly by Gentiles (Paul himself's Jewish origins are questionable at best....) and rejected almost completely by the Jews.

Why do you think Nietzche was in his own words "an anti-anti-semite" and why does icycalm love the Jews? Because the modern Jews are virtuous and the things that anti-semites whine against represent their highest virtues, aka the "evil" things they do.

[Anonymous No.10389276]

>>10389255
What are you sperging out about? Little of that has to do with what I said, which involved correcting you on what Nietzsche said about jews: that they were the weak, vengeful, a nation of ressentiment, and the spreaders of slave morality.

[Anonymous No.10389280]

>>10386678
>Their aesthetic largely functions as a shibboleth, increasingly esoteric stuff that you'd have to be 'redpilled' to really understand, mixed with some classical concertos and sculptures that they couldn't tell you the first thing about for respectability.
sounds more like postmodern irony and playing around, so basically just adopted the tactics of the left more successfully than them, without any kind of aesthetic backing there

[Anonymous No.10389298]

>>10388846
>implying immigrants want more immigration
there's nobody who hates immigrants as much as immigrants who got there before

[Anonymous No.10389304]

>>10389298
I agree, close the door behind me

[Anonymous No.10389307]

>>10389304
This is why you all have to go.

[Anonymous No.10390005]

>>10389276
>"Nietzsche said X about them!"
>"But he also said Y, which means, taken as a whole, he meant Z."
>"NO! JUST X!"
Fuck off.

[Anonymous No.10390052]

>>10381442
You're a fucking retard. Go back and stay there.

[Anonymous No.10390078]

>>10376771
>All these pedants who fail to see the forest among the trees
"Critical theory", go read into that.

[Anonymous No.10390094]

>>10377412
>imagine being this naïve

[Anonymous No.10390951]

>>10376817
But words generally don't have an objective meaning, there's only a generally accepted consensus as to how they're usually being interpreted desu

[Anonymous No.10391005]

>>10390078
>>10390094
>>10390951
imagine being ressentiment filled little ants who think that without doing any background research you can indict and exterminate a noble race of sapient beings because your pedophile death cult from Prussia got BTFO’d by subhumans. Imagine being so inferior, so weak of spirit, so unsure of motivation in life that you can only ever see an eternal enemy veiled behind every mode of reality that displeases you. Imagine just ignoring entirely any whyte involved in these things and also trying to link this “cultural subversion” witht he Talmud, a text you’ve never read and don’t try to understand, the Torah (none of you can read Hebrew, and the one’s who can don’t bother crossreferencing anything they claim) and then both capitalist and communist jews. Imagine also being completely unwilling and incapable to make sourced, accurate up-to-date literature and charts proving your world views? You’re aware all holocaust revisionism has been debunked, if you believe it you are a fla-earth tier insane person. All Judeo-Bolshevism shit is bunk, the sheer volume of gentiles who were intellectually and financially committed to bolshevism refutes it. Judeo-Capitalism is bunk as the Dutch, Germans and English have always had a larger presence in finance capital and a larger share of financial capital. you have NOTHING you are without anything, you shadow box and play god-of-th-gaps style games with your opposition. But, you have nothing and without the Jews fascism just doesn’t work. No one would believe that the world is the way you say it is because of the changes you say occurred unless you bring up jews. It doesn’t help none of you are physically healthy or powerful. I just wonder, especially if you’re christians, how can you not feel the flames consuming you every day? You’re well aware how crazy what you believe is, you also know you ruined the conspiracy movement. nothing like 9/11 truth will ever happen again. really a shame

[Anonymous No.10391119]

>>10384134
I like the Frankfurt guys (specially Benjamin and Adorno) but Jesus Christ it is. Adorno was, like most other german philosophers, a huge fucking autist and I'm amazed someone who wrote like that managed to survive two world wars.

[Anonymous No.10391188]

>>10391005
Spotted the j-w.

[Anonymous No.10391222]

>>10391119
>Adorno was, like most other german philosophers
Nigger he was a jew, step up your game.

[Anonymous No.10391544]

Semi related but can anybody translate this

[Anonymous No.10391722]

>>10388281
The lack of self-awareness here is breathtaking

[Anonymous No.10391752]

>>10391188
Oy vey annuda brainlet
>>10391222
Oy vey annuda anti-semitic pseudo-intellectual who has a bad twitter account

[Anonymous No.10392025]

>>10391544
Professional unions of the soviet union
School of communism