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[Anonymous No.10541306]

You’re at the club when you see cult horror writer Thomas Ligotti tell your girlfriend that the ultimate horror story is human existence and that the greatest act we could commit is consensual, nonviolent extinction.

What do you do?

[Anonymous No.10541337]

>i try to bop him one on the chin
>he has no chin and my fist swings harmlessly past his face
>he tells me that he would laugh but such extravagances have long become impossible for him
>he walks off across the club and vanishes into the crowd
> my girlfriend is crying and shivering
>we break up a few days later

[Anonymous No.10541381]

>>10541306
Tie him down. Have the Iron Sheik put him in the camel clutch and break his back. Bring out Clive Barker in the gimp suit and have him fuck Tom Tom to make him humbell.

[Anonymous No.10541388]

>>10541306
>the greatest act we could commit is consensual, nonviolent extinction
Basically what I'm doing by jerking it to hot anime babes instead of impregnating a real woman. You can thank me later.

[Anonymous No.10541389]

apparently nick land thinks true detective is the greatest thing ever made for tv

[Anonymous No.10541424]

>>10541389

It certainly drove sales up for Ligotti’s stories. Songs of a Dead Dreamer and Grimscribe wouldn’t’ve received a Penguin Classics print were it not for True Detective.

[Anonymous No.10541455]

>>10541306
>Get starstruck
>Giggle like a giddy schoolgirl
>Realize I need him to sign my copy of Conspiracy Against the Human Race
>Remember I dont own the physical copy just the ebook
>"OMG Mr Ligotti im a big fan!!! Can you sign my kindle????"
>He stares at me disgusted
>He tells me ebooks are for millenial faggots and that I should get the fuck out of his face
>I go home embarrassed, knowing that even Ligotti, perhaps the mosy pessimistic man on the planet, thinks I am a pathetic fucking loser

[Anonymous No.10542159]

>>10541337
good post

[Anonymous No.10542245]

I recognize that the poor guy has had a truly awful life and that it must have taken him a Herculean effort to talk to my girl, given his infamous alienation from the rest of humanity and his awe-inspiring anxiety, and I give him a break.

[Anonymous No.10542973]

>>10541306
Tell him I agree and shake his hand.

[Anonymous No.10543084]

>>10541306
Call him a hypocritical edgelord because his non-fiction reads like an insincere nihilistic temper tantrum considering his conclusion to these shitty ideas is to be a bernie bro tier ideologue. Then I hold him down and shit in his mouth.

[Anonymous No.10543100]

>>10541306
redpill him on the nonsensical and cruel liberalism of the 'nonviolent' part because the murder of every breeder would prevent them from forcing innumerable generations into existence in the future.

the real antinatalist is a jihadist of the void, not some hippie activist.

[Anonymous No.10543115]

>>10543084
He's not an edgelord, he's just a very smart but very sad guy.

[Anonymous No.10543177]

>>10543100
If the argument is that people who commit immoral acts must be punished, what about the childless people and children that exist? Why must they be punished, if they've done nothing wrong? If you're for the destruction of suffering, why bring more of it upon those who have it in store anyway?
Would you say that it's fair, since they're all potential breeders, or sympathizers of it?

By this logic, you might as well be fine with allowing them to come into this world to suffer. It's punishment enough.

[Anonymous No.10543227]

>>10543177
What? Ending their suffering is moral because they will suffer less.

[Anonymous No.10543234]

>>10543177
>If the argument is that people who commit immoral acts must be punished, what about the childless people and children that exist? Why must they be punished, if they've done nothing wrong?
The argument isn't that the immoral must be punished, it is that suffering must be prevented even if it violates the tenets of liberal humanism.

>If you're for the destruction of suffering, why bring more of it upon those who have it in store anyway?
Forced euthanasia diminishes suffering. Killing someone today causes them less suffering than letting them live out their lives.

>Would you say that it's fair, since they're all potential breeders, or sympathizers of it?
It has nothing to do with fairness, it's a negative utilitarian argument.

This is all just a silly thought experiment though. In reality you would never be able to rally a void vanguard strong enough to actually take on the entire world and win.

If you look at it that way, killing people actually prolongs the sustainability of the human species and delays the general extinction event.

If you're really serious about ending life one must accelerate the extinction event. Have a lot of kids, eat a lot of meat, litter and pollute a lot and try to whip the economic beast into a production/consumption frenzy until we colonise space and hasten universal entropy by increased activity.

The real, realistic antinatalism, the quickest way to truly end all life paradoxically is all out out unconditional accelerationism.

[Anonymous No.10543252]

>>10541306
i say that i`m with her and he can fuck off with his autist shit.

[Anonymous No.10543268]

>>10541306
poke him in the belly and watch him get taken to the ER

[Anonymous No.10543271]

>>10541381
lul

[Anonymous No.10543331]

>>10543234
I guess so. Cheers. I'm still getting over some mental barriers in fully embracing pessimism. Some spooks, if you will.

[Anonymous No.10543337]

>>10541389
sauce?

[Anonymous No.10543341]

>>10541306
tell him "suffering is good actually", put on my sunglasses and backwards flat-brimmed hat, and skateboard away while he collapses to the ground, stunned at the ease with which i have deconstructed his entire philosophy

[Anonymous No.10543359]

>>10543100
>the real antinatalist is a jihadist of the void

[Anonymous No.10543363]

>>10543331
I recommend doing away with both pessimism and optimism and setting yourself free from ideological allegiance.

[Anonymous No.10543549]

>>10543363

>fence sitting isn’t an ideological position in and of itself
>not making a choice isn’t making a choice

[Anonymous No.10543571]

>>10543549
it's not fence sitting to refrain from picking a side between two nonsensical concepts.

[Anonymous No.10543704]

>>10543571

>I don’t want to make a choice so those offered are nonsense

[Anonymous No.10544144]

>>10543704
You mind is haunted, man!

[Anonymous No.10544158]

>>10544144
Man, your head is haunted; you have wheels in your head! You imagine great things, and depict to yourself a whole world of gods that has an existence for you, a spirit-realm to which you suppose yourself to be called, an ideal that beckons to you. You have a fixed idea! Do not think that I am jesting or speaking figuratively when I regard those persons who cling to the Higher, and (because the vast majority belongs under this head) almost the whole world of men, as veritable fools, fools in a madhouse. What is it, then, that is called a "fixed idea"? An idea that has subjected the man to itself. When you recognize, with regard to such a fixed idea, that it is a folly, you shut its slave up in an asylum. And is the truth of the faith, say, which we are not to doubt; the majesty of (e. g.) the people, which we are not to strike at (he who does is guilty of — lese-majesty); virtue, against which the censor is not to let a word pass, that morality may be kept pure; — are these not "fixed ideas"? Is not all the stupid chatter of (e. g.) most of our newspapers the babble of fools who suffer from the fixed idea of morality, legality, Christianity, etc., and only seem to go about free because the madhouse in which they walk takes in so broad a space?

[Anonymous No.10544162]

>>10541306
Why is he so bad, even when compared to Lovecraft himself? Even The Rats in the Walls is more thought-provoking and horrifying than anything Ligotti has written.

[Anonymous No.10544198]

>>10541306
Ligotti in a club. That's funny.

[Anonymous No.10544606]

WoOoh...Thomas Ligotti? Teatro Grottesco is such a clashic!
Can I haved your autographs?

[Anonymous No.10544726]

>>10541306
Tell him to be a good sport and ask if he can voluntary off himself.

[Anonymous No.10544728]

>>10541306
I continue and persist to live
Even if the horror were to continue

[Anonymous No.10545439]

>>10543704
They are. It's like asking if existence is hot or cold. Both only exist within existence and the only reason you can call someone hot or cold is in contrast with something else that is not hot or cold. Saying 'existence is hot' compared to nothing is nonsense. The same goes for saying that existence is good or bad. You have nothing to compare it to.

[Anonymous No.10545443]

>>10543704
>Once one has comprehended the outrage of such a revolt against life as has become almost sacrosanct in Christian morality, one has, fortunately, also comprehended something else: the futility, apparentness, absurdity, and mendaciousness of such a revolt. A condemnation of life by the living remains in the end a mere symptom of a certain kind of life: the question whether it is justified or unjustified is not even raised thereby. One would require a position outside of life, and yet have to know it as well as one, as many, as all who have lived it, in order to be permitted even to touch the problem of the value of life: reasons enough to comprehend that this problem is for us an unapproachable problem. When we speak of values, we speak with the inspiration, with the way of looking at things, which is part of life: life itself forces us to posit values; life itself values through us when we posit values. From this it follows that even that anti-natural morality which conceives of God as the counter-concept and condemnation of life is only a value judgment of life — but of what life? of what kind of life? I have already given the answer: of declining, weakened, weary, condemned life.

[Anonymous No.10545476]

>>10541306
>the greatest act we could commit is consensual, nonviolent extinction.
I'd have an ounce of respect for people like this if they were advocating for maddening violent extinction.

[Anonymous No.10545520]

>>10541306
>d commit is consensual, nonviolent extinction.
no need , humanity will go extinct approx. within the next 500-1000 years anyway
europe will be raped to death by negro and muslim hordes and end up as fa iled state like yemen
maybe china and russia will be rougher than eurofags and go full genocide on the shitskins but even this will buy only just a little time before the resources bleed out and space migration will be a pipe dream forever

[Anonymous No.10545535]

>>10541306
call him a hypocrite