/lit/ - Literature

[Anonymous No.10807769]

Postmodernism is already 50 years old. Why is it still the leading dogma?

[Anonymous No.10807773]

because post-modernism is actually a relative term and doesn't precisely refer to a particular group of scholars.

[Anonymous No.10807777]

>>10807769
>postmodernism
>posts Foucault

[Anonymous No.10807796]

>>10807769

because BASED daddy peterson has only just started to lead the academic charge to take down this psuedo-intellectual "movement" with his pioneering brand of Jungian-enlightened Nietzscheism

[Anonymous No.10807805]

>>10807769
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
kys faggot

[Anonymous No.10807838]

>>10807805
g8 argument fellow redditor

>>10807796
nietzsche heavily influenced postmodernism, but whatever

[Anonymous No.10807865]

Because a movement does not become institutionally engrained as soon as it begins. Modernism started at the turn of the century, but it did not become a standard mode of thought until the 50s or 60s.

[Anonymous No.10807868]

>>10807838
I think that the nihilism inspired post modernism, so yes, Nietzsche was an influence but not the only one, neither the most important

[Anonymous No.10807878]

>>10807868
>Nietzsche
>nihilist

this thread just started and it's already going downhill rapidly

[Anonymous No.10807890]

because capitalism has not even really started yet :^)

[Anonymous No.10807900]

because we are still after modernism

[Anonymous No.10807922]

>"What are we calling postmodernity? I’m not up to date.”

- Foucault.

[Anonymous No.10807982]

>>10807890
a handful of families already own more than half of the globe, how much "better" can it get?

[Anonymous No.10807984]

>>10807777
yes?

[Anonymous No.10807991]

>>10807769
>implying post-postmodernism isn’t already here

[Anonymous No.10808001]

>>10807769
explain postmodernism in 60 seconds without using meme words

protip: you can't

[Anonymous No.10808005]

>>10807878
yeah, and marx wasn't a marxist, what's your point?

[Anonymous No.10808010]

>>10808001
the critique of modernism for not being consequent enough in its demolition of existing structures and the implied need to advance further, hence post-modernism

[Anonymous No.10808015]

>>10807991
and just what woul that be?

[Anonymous No.10808029]

it is a general rule that new theories gain power through people in powefull positions. old people in charge cling to ideas they deemed importand and surpress ideas that come from the new generation of scholars. Power, more than ideas, is what drives these institutions

[Anonymous No.10808041]

>>10807769
We need to go back. Back to the past. Before the modern era. We need to make literature great again.

[Anonymous No.10808045]

>>10808041
there's no going back, you have to go through

[Anonymous No.10808098]

>>10808001
after modernism, innit

[Anonymous No.10808115]

>>10808045
>go write a canon, anon

[Anonymous No.10808123]

>>10807769
It’s just objectly not. Postmodernism was a fad that died out as quickly as it came. Speaking as a historian, postmodernism was in vogue for a couple years in the 90s but pretty quickly people realized you couldn’t actually do history with a postmodern methodology, and pretty quickly people gave it up. If anything, there is an emerging return of conventional historical materialism in history just because while it’s not hi and cool like ‘sensory history’ or ‘micro history’, examining the political economy as the way to approach understanding history is just a far more useful mode of interpretation.

In psychology, cognitivism is still far and away the biggest paradigm still, and after the revelations of the replication crisis, which revealed cognitive psychology to be far more solid than every other branch it’s only gained in hegemony.

In sociology there is such a proliferation of different paradigms that I would say it’s impossible to say there is any hegemonic one. I’m not in the sociology department myself, but I know plenty of people who are at a couple different schools and there are plenty of positivists and functionalist, far more than there are “conflict theorists”, which is basically the academic sociological way of saying Marxists.
Also there has been a major backlash against postmodenism, with people like Fredric Jameson, David Harvey, Alex Callincos, and Perry Anderson all writing book length attacks.

>>10807868
I know you are trolling but it pisses me off anyways.
Postmodernists and Nietzsche were trying to address the same question, the problem of meaning after the death of god. And in the PM case also after the clear apparent failure of the communist project, as it is presented by Marxism Leninism.
Also, the whole notion that there even is ‘postmodernism’ as a real intellectual school is fake and wrong. It’s purely a term of abuse meant to be able to group together and dismiss various thinkers.

Foucault is still popular because he produced provocative insights into the nature of power in society, and into various institutions that we all see as signs of our progress and humanity, things like prisons, the clinic, asylums, schools and so on. Foucault told us that despite how much we think we’ve improved by ridding ourselves of the overt barbarism, we’ve actually only made the systems of social control more pervasive and pernicious.

The heat Derrida gets is maybe the most baffling because his work is nearly exclusively inside literary theory. In his life he was easily the least political of all of his peers, never a member of the communist party, never one for protests, and rarely wrote explicitly political articles unlike Althusser, Foucault or Deleuze. His pervasiveness is far smaller, not least because he’s immensely difficult to read, than people who promote the ‘postmodern’ bogeyman want to believe.

[Anonymous No.10808124]

"post-modernism" doesn't derive from postmodern authors; they merely seek to describe the trend. Post-modernism is located in the processes of late-stage capitalism; read Fredric Jameson for an actual critique of post-modernism.

[Anonymous No.10808138]

postmodernism was a response to modernism's charge that art could resist commodification; the postmodernists think that categories like 'commodification' don't exist, or are constructed in particular social circumstances, and so there is no use trying to defeat them, as new social circumstances will emerge and overtake the resistance (consider how much a painting by Rothko goes for these days).

following from this the general public as well as academia decided that if nothing could be resisted and everything could be commodified then nothing matters and we should just say fuck all the rules and abandon rationality and do whatever we want. theoretical standpoints no longer seek moral groundings, they just condemn, condemn, condemn. that is why rather than a new movement coming out of postmodernism you really just have a no-holds-barred postmodernism endlessly questioning every conceivable framework of knowledge without proposing any solutions or realistic changes. queer theory is a fine example.

[Anonymous No.10808333]

>>10808124
you're just trying to strawman the actual postmodernism away from its authors in order so that when their marxist lies are exposed you can say B-BUT THOSE WEREN'T "REAL" POSTMODERNISTS and then keep shilling for their nihilist agenda which is effectively enforcing white genocide right about now

[Anonymous No.10808349]

>>10808333
Nice trips you braindead /pol/tard. Do you even remotely have any idea what marxism is about?

[Anonymous No.10808354]

>>10808333
so this is the power of redpill...

[Anonymous No.10808360]

>>10808349
>Do you even remotely have any idea what marxism is about?
GULAGS

[Anonymous No.10808363]

>>10808333
this is your brain on too much Jordan Peterson

[Anonymous No.10808376]

>>10807865
>Modernism started at the turn of the century
?

[Anonymous No.10808377]

>>10808349
murdering people for fun

[Anonymous No.10808383]

>>10807769
Slave morality. Postmodernism is basically a cult of sodomy and victimhood. Foucault himself is the ultimate victim the fact that he wilfully spread AIDS is no fault of his, it's the white supremacist capitalist heteropatrarchy that made him do it

[Anonymous No.10808385]

Postmodernism isn't a movement, it's just a description of reality. We don't have overarching narratives that people believe in anymore, every discipline has its own.

[Anonymous No.10808388]

>>10807796
fuck off and clean your room

[Anonymous No.10808390]

>>10808349
spending other peoples money.

[Anonymous No.10808393]

>>10807769
Postmodernism is not in any way the leading dogma. Neither is anything else, that's the whole problem.

[Anonymous No.10808396]

>>10808385
>We don't have overarching narratives that people believe in anymore
but we fucking do. people are too spooked to detect them.

[Anonymous No.10808400]

>>10808396
please give three (3) examples.

[Anonymous No.10808406]

>>10808400
the idea of people as individuals. then you get all the rest.

[Anonymous No.10808409]

>>10808400
White privilege, feminism, homosexual victimhood

[Anonymous No.10808431]

>>10808333
When your entire “education” comes from YouTube videos made by people who also have never read a book..

[Anonymous No.10808441]

>>10808431
>implying Sandler has never read a book
yeah nah soyboy

[Anonymous No.10808478]

>>10808400
1)Political teleology - liberal free-market democracy is a product of progress broadly analogous to technological progress.
2)Essential unity of mankind.
3)Human rights as transcendental, universal principles.

[Anonymous No.10808484]

>>10807769
Post-postmodernism.

[Anonymous No.10808511]

>>10808478
In what way are human rights regarded as transcendental?

[Anonymous No.10808533]

>>10808511
they arent supported on anything but ideology. and its all a remnant of Christ shit, which no one wants to acknowledge.

[Anonymous No.10808538]

>>10808123
Thanks. This helped.

[Anonymous No.10808545]

>>10808533
But why is that then regarded as "transcendental" rather than just another social construct?

[Anonymous No.10808553]

>>10808511
it comes out of classical liberalism; just look at american political documents
"we hold these rights to be self-evident"
"un-alienable rights"
Every human is thought of as having a set of rights without their source being formulated.

[Anonymous No.10808554]

>>10807769
OOO is breaking out past 5 years at least

where have u been

[Anonymous No.10808562]

I guess it's useful in achieve the political goals of the intellectual elite, but even then it only approaches being the dogma of a few subjects.

[Anonymous No.10808564]

>>10808553
So what you're saying is that we should treat people like the animals with no inherent worth that they truly are?

[Anonymous No.10808567]

>>10808545
because jews died and it was the worst even ever in earths history, cant happen again, sweetie. not memeing.

[Anonymous No.10808570]

>>10808333
What

[Anonymous No.10808573]

>>10808564
When I propose this, people tell me i'm an idiot.

[Anonymous No.10808575]

>>10808564
I am not saying anything other than that unalienable human rights are an underlying framing of liberal democracy without which it could not be formulated. To get our democracy to work we must accept that all those under it are of equal worth.

[Anonymous No.10808589]

>>10808564
You seem to have lost track of the conversation. Follow the posts above and try to figure out who is answering to whom and what is he saying.

[Anonymous No.10808595]

>>10808575
Ah yes, I see people acting like everyone else has unalienable human rights and is just as much worth as everyone else each day.

[Anonymous No.10808599]

>>10808575
And what if you don't want democracy to work? Have there been any substantial criticisms of the concept of human rights?

[Anonymous No.10808610]

>>10808001

An often extreme, free-for-all deconstruction of the basic points of the human experience (sex, gender, power and hierarchy).

[Anonymous No.10808611]

>>10808400
1) Holocaust as the new foundation myth (see pic related)
2) Universal egalitarianism as fact, and any examples of this not being the case are either lies or moral failings on our part
3) The individual as God

[Anonymous No.10808616]

>>10807777

Waste of a quad

[Anonymous No.10808626]

>>10808595
fag you see people hollering and screaming about >muh rights
all the time, fuck off. If they was not a ubiquitous conception of human rights no one would give a fuck about x people getting slaughter in y country, and so on and so on. This includes the right not to be killed just as much as it includes citizens rights.
>>10808599
I don't know, because I am content with democracy, but one could argue these rights effectively come from nothing and are buy-ins to State exploitation and regulation of the individual. Idk just spit-balling there.

[Anonymous No.10808665]

>>10808545
if they are just a social construct why is nobody mainstream arguing to dismantle human rights like all other oppressive power structures? narratives are not explicit but they are there

[Anonymous No.10808666]

>>10808626
>people hollering and screaming about >muh rights
Maybe because some people dont give em rights hmmm
>If they was not a ubiquitous conception of human rights no one would give a fuck about x people getting slaughter in y country
There are plenty of people who dont care. Dont pretend like the entire populace of a democracy is one giant homogenous mass that thinks and acts alike. Disagreement between parties in ignorance in the majority of the people is the normal. Can't have an ubiquitous conception of human rights if people count others they dont like as human.

[Anonymous No.10808670]

>>10808665
Because doing so would inevitably get you labeled as a fascist. In fact, the only ones arguing against human rights are on the far right.

[Anonymous No.10808692]

this conversation started on >>10808385 when this guy said there are no grand narratives when there clearly are, then this guy >>10808400 asked for examples, and then many comments followed with examples

i personally don't mind human rights even though they seem to be crumbling now

[Anonymous No.10808698]

this >>10808692 was for >>10808670

[Anonymous No.10808699]

>>10808666
>Can't have an ubiquitous conception of human rights if people count others they dont like as human.
Yes you can because you have in that very sentence you typed an implicit understanding of natural human rights. I don't think of people as subhuman, lacking human rights not to be killed or to pursue their self interest, ect. It is on this understanding of the unalienable rights of human beings - which derived out of liberalism - that democracies are built.
A right is an understanding that we are naturally born with some set of capabilities and boundaries. I have a right one day to own a gun, for instance. A privilege is something I am granted by another entity; the State says I can drive a car, but humans are not born with the right to drive

[Anonymous No.10808710]

>>10808400
That humanity exists as a community with inherent social significance.
That the human life has inherent value.
That oppression is an existing social condition.

[Anonymous No.10808724]

>>10808123
You're a fucking dumbass. People are literaly making up history with no "material" proof on the daily. When's the last time you went outside, fatty?

[Anonymous No.10808744]

>>10808383
Nietzsche is one of the greatest influences of postmodernism.

[Anonymous No.10808754]

Human rights are tricky. Obviously there's no objective standard or enforcement of them; the only rights we have are the ones that those in power are willing to enforce. Most of the time in western countries these are fairly well handled, although there are glaring exceptions such as there not being freedom of speech in most european countries despite the fact that human rights apparently guarantees it.

The problem is when they become perverted. You get people saying shit like using the internet is a human right, or that stopping people saying mean things to you is a human right, or endless millions of people from completely alien societies, cultures, religions and ethnic groups MUST be allowed into white countries because they have comparably not very nice lives if they aren't allowed in.

I'm not in favour of a universalist take on human rights. I think countries should maintain a bill of rights for their citizens, and treat non-citizens visiting their countries with comparable respect and dignity and protection under the law for the duration of their visit. But a universal approach only seems to be used to hamstring western nations into accepting things placed upon them that are bad for their people but must happen because of some vague notion of the rights of some completely other group.

I'm sure I'll get some shit for this opinion but whatever. I'm not in favour of letting people starve or denying people some dignity or protection under the law, but certainly things are looking bad for the west at the moment despite these human rights being enacted, so either they have contributed to the bad state of things, or they haven't averted them; either way they need amending and rethinking.

[Anonymous No.10808777]

pathetic that some of us have to share the board with idiots like yourselves

[Anonymous No.10808787]

>>10807796
>Peterson
>Nieztscheism

[Anonymous No.10808789]

>>10808029
Winner

[Anonymous No.10808796]

>>10807769
Because contrary to popular opinion on this board none of you fucks are actually smart enough to have a thought worthwhile enough to move along the narrative. It takes a long time for someone that intelligent to come along and revolutionize philosophical thought.

[Anonymous No.10808803]

>>10808041
>romanticism101

[Anonymous No.10808816]

>>10808383
>Postmodernism is basically a cult of sodomy
Can I join if i name my penis the last man?

[Anonymous No.10808824]

>>10808789
Why do normalfags base their identity around their musical taste? This is baffling to me, as I listen to music maybe once a month.

[Anonymous No.10808832]

>>10808824
I do hope you always listen to something nobody else has ever listened to. You dont want to enjoy something someone else has enjoyed, do you?

[Anonymous No.10808837]

>>10808832
What are you trying to say?

[Anonymous No.10808846]

>>10808564
>*descriptive statement*
>so what you're saying is *normative statement*
people like you are in fact lower than animals

[Anonymous No.10808864]

>>10808837
It might be hard to decipher but mainly it does seem to come across as - "I am a huge idiot do not pay attention to my posts as I am barely literate"

[Anonymous No.10808876]

>>10808611
cool post. also have in mind the foundation myth works for analyzing couples too.

[Anonymous No.10809064]

>>10807982
That half of the globe used to be even poorer (more hunger, less drinking water, infant mortality, life expectancy, etc).

[Anonymous No.10809215]

>>10807984
he is a post-structuralist

[Anonymous No.10809220]

>>10808123
>David Harvey
the lefts JPB, disregard

[Anonymous No.10809243]

>>10807769
Because it’s literally
>lmao there’s nothing but interpretation
The philosophy

[Anonymous No.10809252]

>>10807868
>t. never read Nietzsche
at least google perspectivism if you're going to be this much of a psude

[Anonymous No.10809294]

>>10807769
Because it is a good tool to bring about change and overthrow established systems. It works, that's why. It's horseshit, but it works.

[Anonymous No.10810315]

>>10807769
Because you never truly know the age you're living in.

[Anonymous No.10810477]

>>10808564
The ultimate consequences of the egalitarian worldview are totalitarian. If humans are unequal, society and culture will have to undergo expert engineering in order to create a world of 'equal' subjects. Artificial identities, quantities without content without history that exist only to be included in the system. All standards are asumed to be a function of the 'evil' oppressive power of 'historically privileged' groups and as such need to be leveled.
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2018/mar/07/the-guardian-view-on-diversity-in-classical-music-quality-and-equality

[Anonymous No.10810530]

>>10807769
>Why is it still the leading dogma
among whom?

[Anonymous No.10810576]

>>10808123
>The heat Derrida gets is maybe the most baffling because his work is nearly exclusively inside literary theory. In his life he was easily the least political of all of his peers, never a member of the communist party, never one for protests, and rarely wrote explicitly political articles unlike Althusser, Foucault or Deleuze. His pervasiveness is far smaller, not least because he’s immensely difficult to read, than people who promote the ‘postmodern’ bogeyman want to believe.
it seems to me that derrida is the main target in the zombie-polemics people like peterson make about "postmodernism" because for the bourgeoisie, literature and its canon (and art generally by the usual literary-theoretical extensions) is the most valuable signifier that the post-structuralist moment in France called into question... whether society is fundamentally a mode of ideological interpellation (Althusser), whether or not it functions only as a circuitry for manipulating the body under power (Foucault), the objectively positive, enriching, humanizing value of the bourgeois arts apologizes for all the murderous barbarism they exacted on the world as its price. Derrida calls that into question at the infra-political level of the text itself, and for that audacity—the audacity to question the art in its own terms, rather than simply undercut it by materialist critique, which can always be ignored—he becomes the main object of vitriol.

this however makes the apolitical status of Derrida somewhat paradoxical, but on closer analysis this is perfectly instep with the apolitical nature of bourgeois argumentation.

[Anonymous No.10810580]

>>10810477
the ultimate consequences of a racialist totalitarian worldview is genocide

[Anonymous No.10810587]

>>10808098
>>10808010
"modernism" isn't a philosophic movement

[Anonymous No.10810595]

>>10807769
Because it turns out that it was correct

stay mad

[Anonymous No.10810596]

>>10810580
i used to be a leftist and a believer in equality, but avoiding a meaningeless world deconstructed by blue haired sanctimonious bureaucrats is probably worth a reich or two.

[Anonymous No.10810604]

>>10810587
look at him. look at this smug shitposter thinking that he can argue semantics and this way convey any kind of rationality in negating whatever worldview he simply doesn't agree with because he is a brainwashed leftie.

[Anonymous No.10810613]

FYI: MODERNISM was a literary moment—POSTMODERNISM in literature followed it. many of the leading social critics (Jameson included!) who first described postmodernism as a "CULTURAL LOGIC" now believe it would be more accurate to describe it as POSTMODERNITY, because as a cultural logic, it follows more from MODERNITY in general (basically starting with Enlightenment) than from modernist literature.

[Anonymous No.10810618]

>>10810576
>The bourgeoise
Don't exist anymore. Funnily enough, the people positively interested in these authors (Foucault, Derrida, Barthes and the like) are much closer to resemble your idea of the bourgeoise (this fantastical entity made of a well-off, self absorbed mass of indistinguishable people) than Peterson's viewership, which is mostly composed of angry internet neckbeards and houellebecqian males.

[Anonymous No.10810627]

>>10810618
>>10810618
err, no, the bourgeoisie is a social class defined by its relationship (of ownership) to the means of production, ie, to capital. insofar as capital is still privately held, the bourgeoisie still exists.

[Anonymous No.10810640]

>>10810576
>it seems to me that derrida is the main target in the zombie-polemics people like peterson make about "postmodernism" because for the bourgeoisie, literature and its canon (and art generally by the usual literary-theoretical extensions) is the most valuable signifier that the post-structuralist moment in France called into question

the c. 2018 american bourgeoisie idea of a literary canon is prestige tv and 'diverse' capeshit/chumbawamba ngozi aidiche. Have you even looked at the New Yorker lately? if this is what postmodern culture looks like hey maybe murderous barbarism isn't that bad after all

[Anonymous No.10810658]

>>10810618
>>10810640
in light of these comments i think a distinction has to be made between a sort of "old guard" critique of "postmodernism" which did issue from a culturally conservative (petit-)bourgeois academia, and its contemporary incarnation as an ideology for proletarian consumption. but i would hesitate to therefore ascribe the "postmodernism" peterson et al take issue with to the bourgeoisie proper—the people you're describe are, for the most part, underemployed graduate students and members of the commentariat clerk class who produce nothing but affirmation directed at the other group. the objective function is to install liberalism at the ground floor of critique, which is the quasi-natural class consciousness of women, queers, and blacks.

[Anonymous No.10810660]

>>10809220
I thought the new imperialism was pretty a plausible take on murrica's foreign policy.

[Anonymous No.10810662]

>>10810627
I was talking more about your idea of the bourgeoise as a group with specific social and cultural characteristics rather than bourgeoise as purely economical class.
>err, no,
go back to whatever subreddit you came from please

[Anonymous No.10810666]

>>10807769
its the electric age ya simp

take a shower
hit the books
and get a clue

[Anonymous No.10810806]

>>10807769
Postmodernism is an art movement, not a dogma.

[Anonymous No.10810832]

People are still upset that marxism failed. Post-modernism is basically ironic marxism. Soon enough, we will enter an era of post-ironic marxism.

[Anonymous No.10810888]

>>10810658
>the people you're describe are, for the most part, underemployed graduate students and members of the commentariat clerk class who produce nothing but affirmation directed at the other group. the objective function is to install liberalism at the ground floor of critique, which is the quasi-natural class consciousness of women, queers, and blacks.

hence, gamergate was a proletarian movement unconscious of itself, a naive uprising of the lumpenized gamer against the gamedev/game journalist class. Much like the peasants of the vendee, their opposition to bourgeois rule was coopted by reaction.

[Anonymous No.10810894]

>>10810832
I still don't understand how anybody has ever found Marxism plausible. a 'classless, stateless society'? Fucking seriously?

[Anonymous No.10810895]

>>10810832
I know you think you sound smart by saying that, but you only show off that you don’t know shit about what you are talking about.

[Anonymous No.10810911]

>>10808001
It's text, I can't just make text shorter than sixty seconds you twat. Check your logocentrist privilege and read Of Grammatology.

[Anonymous No.10810915]

>>10809215
which is post-modern.

[Anonymous No.10810948]

>>10810832
Postmodernism is by definition anti-Marxist

[Anonymous No.10810979]

>>10810894
Marxism is primarily focused on the critique of capitalism rather than any concrete alternative to it. Marx wrote very little about what a communist or a socialist society would look like.

[Anonymous No.10810990]

>>10810894
>t. doesn't know what Marxism is

[Anonymous No.10810996]

>>10810990
>>10810979
stop being dicks you know what i mean

[Anonymous No.10811032]

>>10810658
>underemployed graduate students and members of the commentariat clerk class

my racism is more directed against those people than transexuals or non whites. I feel locked in this life and death struggle with the nyt/guardian/cnn/pitchfork staff, blue haired women, indie game developers, anxiety furries: my psychotic alt right persona is a means to spite those freaks and become everything they hate and fear. I feel like they want to destroy me, and only an enemy would want to destroy you. The halcyon days, driving around on mom's minivan with my dumbfuck friends smoking weed are an eternity away, feels like somebody else's life. The dopamine rush of internet Hate is the only thing i believe in anymore. I semi post ironically embrace conspiracy theories about ZOG/democrats/the lgbt community being out to get me somehow. The facts might not be right but the sense of terror and imminent doom is very real, if anything we live in Nick Land meme universe and the AI antichrist is real. I guess I'm just a little more attuned to the fundamental evil of the universe than most people.

[Anonymous No.10811034]

>>10810587
wow anon you showed them

[Anonymous No.10811043]

>>10810596
>systematic extermination is the solution
ok bud

[Anonymous No.10811069]

>>10811043
got a better idea, Einstein? the past is getting systematically exterminated anyways. I imagine myself reduced to a genderless unit fed by synthetic protein sludge confined to a co-living cube somewhere under the future globohomo world order totalitarian state, and realise revolution is the only solution

[OP is a faggot No.10811080]

>>10811069
>the loss of tribes is the same thing as mass genocide of most of the species which will lead to ecocide

[Anonymous No.10811099]

>>10811032
another fellow deleuzian reactionary I see

[Anonymous No.10811102]

>>10808611
this was a good post until it says the myth is inherently negative since the things its centered around aren't "virtuous"

[Anonymous No.10811109]

>>10809064
ahh, so things are actually getting better? thank god, I was starting to feel a creeping sense of dread

[Anonymous No.10811116]

>>10811032
Anon I'm saying this from a place of compassion and worry:

take a fucking break from the internet

[Anonymous No.10811129]

>>10811032
I get the feeling. My politics aren't right-wing. They're just anti-leftist.

[Anonymous No.10811143]

>>10811102
the negative myth implies by necessity the possibility of a positive negation. Somewhere along the halls of our vanishing memories, lies a Book, in it written the words of a forbidden invocation that will make the whole machine come crashing down
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zZ6nhV7mLC0

[Anonymous No.10811145]

>>10811069
Sad truth is there isn't a better solution and we just have to hope for the best. But if we ever got to the society as you explained, I'll fight alongside you.

[Anonymous No.10811155]

>>10811143
so you believe the current world order is mere suppression of the virtuous values of nationalism, racism etc.?

[Anonymous No.10811161]

>>10811155
“The end times and the eschatological meaning of politics will not realize themselves on their own. We will wait for the end in vain. The end will never come if we wait for it, and it will never come if we do not. . . . If the Fourth Political Practice is not able to realize the end of times, then it would be invalid. The end of days should come, but it will not come by itself. This is a task, it is not a certainty. It is an active metaphysics. It is a practice.”

“The meaning of Russia is that through the Russian people will be realized the last thought of God, the thought of the End of the World. . . . Death is the way to immortality. Love will begin when the world ends. We must long for it, like true Christians. . . . We are uprooting the accursed Tree of Knowledge. With it will perish the Universe.”

[Anonymous No.10811277]

>>10808001
man is the measure of all things

[Anonymous No.10811303]

>>10811161
these words.... so awful in their nature I can't even read the entirety

[Anonymous No.10811517]

>>10811116
>take a fucking break from the internet
there is nowhere else to go

[Anonymous No.10811553]

>>10808123
>The heat Derrida gets is maybe the most baffling

Derrida is the father of poststructuralism which stated that the relationship between signifier and signified wasn't real which led to the third-wave Judith Butler influenced "gender isn't real" shit.

Peterson makes a boogeyman out of postmodernism but it's not a real philosophy of today. Politicis is infused with modernism, grand metanarratives, of sexism, racism, and yes JP, religious ones like Christianity. Postmodernity is basically taking bits and pieces of postmodernism ideas but still modernism in its beliefs.

[Anonymous No.10811638]

What do you guys think about supermodernity and hypermodernity?

[Anonymous No.10811641]

>>10811032
Why did you smoking brown shit weed with your boring dipshit immature friends? Why didn’t you spend your young years getting a part time job, talking to girls your age, asking them out, perfecting a hobby such as playing guitar, painting, writing, computer programming, volunteering @ a homeless shelter, learning how to change oil/ rebuild an engine, build a wooden desk, working out at the gym, going on a hike, study and master a foreign language, helping your girlfriend with her laundry, etc? You wasted a big chunk of your life already, become a real fucking adult & get a life retard. The real world can’t employee an angry white supremicist Nazi virgin scum. Maybe you could get some pussy if you practiced tangible real life habits that are hard for a fucker like you. Girls don’t like slacker scum like you, they like strong reliable smart men like me. You are the type of guy to cry after a girl gets period blood on you during sex while I’d get horny like a mad rabid dog after he spotted a skinny poodle

[Anonymous No.10811644]

>>10810662
its weird that you were talking about that, and even weirder that you say it like it's "my idea," because it never was. the idea that this is my concept of the bourgeoisie is yours.

[Anonymous No.10811649]

>>10811641
>Girls don’t like slacker scum
verifiably untrue

[Anonymous No.10811651]

>>10811032
>>10811129
friendly reminder that the real practice of communism is violently opposed to both right-wing and left-wing deviation from the struggle of the working class. blue haired bloggers and richard spencer both get the marched up to the same wall.

[Anonymous No.10811655]

>>10808001
maybe modernism is a bad idea because it thinks machines for pleasure are the ultimate progress and if we don't stop it we'll eventually get slashfiction
OP's wrong about the dates too because that's present in preWW2 postmodernism, and really explodes with the atom bomb, if you'll pardon the inevitable pun and irony of an age that didn't listen.
i threw in some memes because i don't think you can understand posts without them

[Anonymous No.10811671]

>>10808611
even if one were to entertain holocaust denial, how one gets from that to "therefore be a nazi," especially when nazi's got their asses handed to them by the poor starving commies, is anyone's guess.

[Anonymous No.10811676]

>>10811671
>especially when nazi's got their asses handed to them by the poor starving commies
not exactly the whole story there anon. not that i think being a neonazi is particularly sensible

[Anonymous No.10811679]

>>10807773
Bullshit. You cannot say this without recognizing the fact that post-modernism broke off from modernism due to a sect of scholars who did not like the conclusion of modernism.

[Anonymous No.10811683]

>>10811676
>muh russian winter orientalist mythomeme

[Anonymous No.10811692]

>>10811679
/lit/ has way too many retarded "autodidact" dumbfucks on it these days

[Anonymous No.10811694]

>>10811649
Name one attractive lady that likes angry low effort alt right boys with no muscle mass or real work experience. This experience means practicing skills that will make you considered half useful in this world. Mastering them is a matter that’s up to you, but most people in your position carry extremist right wing perspectives because you likely failed at a fundamental aspect of life. You failed at a skill that without, you stress yourself into a retard’s frenzy because you refuse to learn it. Learn to talk to women as the human beings they are & you’ll stop having your toddler like episode

[Anonymous No.10811698]

>>10811683
was referring to the fact that they were fighting two wars at once, and the Allies were helping the Soviets, not to mention the sheer number of Soviets fighting

[Anonymous No.10811701]

>>10811694
i didn't say any of that though lol. I said they like slacker scum, which they do. you can get girls simply by being sort of a dick

[Anonymous No.10811703]

>>10807796
Clean your room bucko

[Anonymous No.10811710]

>>10811701
How so? Please explain if your point even if it has an infitisemal worth.

[Anonymous No.10811711]

>>10807769
How can we be "post modern" without time travelling past the present

[Anonymous No.10811713]

>>10808005
Nihilism isn't named after Nietzsche

[Anonymous No.10811716]

>>10811701
this is the truth no one wants to admit, neither the try-hard self-improvement fags who lift weights and do stem phds trying to get laid, or the sadsack pua/mgtow guys that it is not possible to get laid cuz they're too short or w/e...the simple fact is it is possible to get pussy by being a dick. it's same way women like pitbulls , "everyone is scared of him, but he's sweet with me" women love a bully, but only an authentic bully, not a beta larping as a bully

[Anonymous No.10811725]

>>10811710
i dont know how it works dude it just does, women are retarded

[Anonymous No.10811753]

>>10811725
It works by showing you have abundance and if you can't figure out why that's attractive your IQ must be below room temperature

[Anonymous No.10811760]

>>10808005
>>10811713
Hold on, is this why people who don't read think Nietzsche is a nihilist? I've wondered this forever. Is it really because they both start with N?

[Anonymous No.10811771]

>>10811760
well his name does sound close to "nothing" but i think it's only one of the folk reasonings behind it. my preferred explanation is people just like an excuse to say "nihilist"; it's a fun word to say even if you mispronounce it, much like nietzsche.

[Anonymous No.10811873]

For me one of the issues of most of the thinkers that have any sort of influence today is the fact that they are mostly critics but no one has tried to come forward with any sort of system that we should follow.

You see, people like Marx had a project, Nietzsche had a very clear idea of what made a great person, Heidegger actually proposed that we should find our own individuality (funny enough, they shrunk in size as time went on). Ever since Critical Theory I have trouble finding a project, or even few small ones, inside academia. I'm not talking about grand projects, I'm talking about how we should conduct our institutions at least.

Look at the works of people like Habermas, Deleuze, Foucault or Adorno. I think all their works are interesting and put light in the contradictions and pervasiveness of XX Century capitalist societies they lived it, but they hardly proposed what they thought is an ethical formulation of institutions. Habermas criticized technology and science, but I didn't find any clear propositions as how it should develop (maybe he proposed more in other works, but my spider senses tells me no); Deleuze had interesting insights like the Rhizome or the BwO, but that's about it; Foucault showed how pervasive and brutal power is inside the institutions of civilized western societies; Adorno despised the development of liberal capitalistic societies, yet his support of Communist Russia wasn't as wholeheartedly as people make it out to be, for me he was more of a conservative. They all stopped at the critique, but that's not enough for us. When the whole communist project was shown to be (at least) not as efficient and the ethical issues started to become more apparent, many jumped ship or became more "agnostic". However, they simply didn't try to come up with something new in the practical sense, something that could compete to either Fascism, Capitalism or Communism.

I don't even blame them though, in fact I empathize with them, they are of course quite smart people and they understood how complex it is to come up with a congruent and ethical system (because, what's the point if it's worse than what exists). Feminism might be the big project that academics support nowadays (and that explains why it has become more extreme in the few last years), however what will happen when it eventually hits a ceiling and our needs are still not fulfilled (in other words, what will we do when the utopia doesn't come after Feminism hits it's logical conclusion)? I really don't know, I feel we hit a stop that we don't know how to get out of, is extreme Capitalism and whatever their counterparts are the best that the human geist can come up with? Or we simply don't want to get out that frame?

[Anonymous No.10811888]

>>10807838
nietzsche heavily influenced fucking everything you retard

[Anonymous No.10812103]

>>10808001
explain meme words in 60 seconds without using postmodernism
protip: checkmate

[Anonymous No.10812171]

>>10807769

"academics" who get wet thinking that writing a bunch of meaningless tripe that confounds the masses makes them smarter.

[Anonymous No.10812894]

>>10807769
it aint, metamodernism is right on its tail and it's getting closer

[Anonymous No.10813837]

>>10811277
t. sophist

[Anonymous No.10814370]

>>10811671
What's wrong with being a nazi? Sure beats spending the rest of your miserable life groveling before blue hair freaks.

[Anonymous No.10814571]

>>10807769
lack of alternatives, duh

[Anonymous No.10816110]

>>10807769
Quote by Aleister Crowley talking about the Aeon of Horos. I don't buy into his religion. My point is he sounds post-modern. I think this could've been written today. He talks about a world without purpose, where people wear the veil of having purpose. What do you guys think?

>Observe for yourselves the decay of the sense of sin, the growth of innocence and irresponsibility, the strange modifications of the reproductive instinct with a tendency to become bisexual or epicene, the childlike confidence in progress combined with nightmare fear of catastrophe, against which we are yet half unwilling to take precautions. Consider the outcrop of dictatorships, only possible when moral growth is in its earliest stages, and the prevalence of infantile cults like Communism, Fascism, Pacifism, Health Crazes, Occultism in nearly all its forms, religions sentimentalised to the point of practical extinction. Consider the popularity of the cinema, the wireless, the football pools and guessing competitions, all devices for soothing fractious infants, no seed of purpose in them. Consider sport, the babyish enthusiasms and rages which it excites, whole nations disturbed by disputes between boys. Consider war, the atrocities which occur daily and leave us unmoved and hardly worried. We are children. How this new Aeon of Horus will develop, how the Child will grow up, these are for us to determine, growing up ourselves in the way of the Law of Thelema under the enlightened guidance of the Master Therion

[Anonymous No.10816118]

>>10816110
I forgot to include this was from 1904.
Awaiss (his guardian angel) spoke it to him lool. Pretty crazy guy.

[Anonymous No.10816599]

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[Anonymous No.10817161]

>>10816118
>>10816110
that's breddy gud, yes, that was always my notion of Crowley, that he was just a modern hedonist with magic and traditional syncretic stuff added just for flavor

not sure if he ever got initiated or not, he surely had contact with traditional masters but i am not sure if he followed through or just took the parts that he liked for his own memetic reasons

[Anonymous No.10817253]

>>10808824
Why do you base you identity on the books you read?

Its because of the message/meaning. Relating with a feeling/state of mind expressed by the author of said message with a emotion you yourself experienced/or want to experience

[Anonymous No.10817262]

>>10810618
Learn what the word means before you confirm your status as a mouthbreather

[Anonymous No.10817372]

>>10810888
How can reaction be a co-opter? Marxist historicists are the very embodiment of ad-hoc, I swear.

[Anonymous No.10817381]

>>10810979
>>10810948
>>10810895
>If I keep claiming that Marxism is a "scientific" endeavor, then I can deny that I am agitating for something.

[Anonymous No.10817384]

>>10807878
active nihilism is still nihilism, anon

[Anonymous No.10817386]

>>10811032
Ressentiment is one hell of a drug.

[Anonymous No.10817393]

>>10809064
>conflating technological advancement with wealth inequality
the farmer in the feudal society too had it better than the slaves before him

[Anonymous No.10817418]

>>10807769

FUCK POSTMODERNISM

WE IN THAT LIQUID MODERNISM

[Anonymous No.10817419]

Postmodernism is already dead.
You see jackasses like peterson and his ilk fighting a fucking ghost.
Postmodernism died the second humanity was plugged into the net. The final cut to pomos jugular occurred the second those planes hit those towers.

You can see the decaying corpse of post modern life by traveling around downtown america and looking at the empty ruins of the various shopping malls.

Then go home and order something off of amazon.

Welcome to the hypermodern world bitch

[Anonymous No.10817430]

>>10817419
postmodernism never existed, grand narratives remained as strong as ever

[Anonymous No.10817443]

>>10817430
postmodernism was a condition that occurred from about post ww2 up until 9/11.

[Anonymous No.10817449]

postmodernism was analog, it was magazines, shopping malls, records, tv, radio.

All of those things have now crumbled into dust and been uploaded into the digital space.

[Anonymous No.10817455]

>>10817443
it never occurred, it's just that the very clear assumptions and narratives went unacknowledged as long as they worked seamlessly in the first world, now they are all in the light, clear as day, and they are all being challenged

[Anonymous No.10817456]

>>10817419
>>10817449
>Likening cultural institutions to a coincident literary movement
This is some Regular Car Reviews-tier retardation.

[Anonymous No.10817480]

>>10817456
culture changes with technology and with events.

Life pre ww2 and pre tv was different

just like life pre 9/11 and pre internet was diffrent

The conditions of society have changed, of humanity.

Did you type that on a smart phone bitch?
When was the last time you actually talked to someone instead of looking down at your phone fused to your hand like some sort of cronenbergerian bio horror monstrosity

[Anonymous No.10817495]

>>10817480
I don't know, anon. I don't make glaring typos or use reddit spacing.

[Anonymous No.10817510]

>>10817495
>muh leddit spacing
youre meme is unfresh you dirty fucking piglet, fuck you

[Anonymous No.10817522]

>>10817510
youre splling and puctuaton are, really good, glad to ahve you on/lit/

[Anonymous No.10818160]

>>10808388
Clearly the only thing about Peterson you understand.

[Anonymous No.10818578]

>>10817456
>neo-marxists trying to use blatant vernacular to disguise their hatred for meta-narratives as reactionism
this place got so shit

[Anonymous No.10818685]

>>10808001
Nothing is true, everything is permitted

[Anonymous No.10818694]

>>10808699
But they're born with the rights to have a gun?

[Anonymous No.10818736]

>>10817480
>i hate those young people with their smartphones

Is this real? How are you posting here? Are you using a computer? Do you feel superior for using it over a different device? Are you implying you are far less dependant on it than other people are on their smartphones?

[Anonymous No.10818743]

>>10818736
not him but there is a big difference in generations where electronic typewriters and faxes were modern and generations that probably don't remember what an iMac looked like. it's only the second one that can't conceive of treating the devices differently.

[Anonymous No.10818753]

>>10818685
>nothing is true, everything is permited
But don't you dare 'misgender' me!

[Anonymous No.10818765]

>>10810587
Yes, it is.

[Anonymous No.10818772]

>>10810587
zing

[Anonymous No.10818785]

>>10810587
touché

[Anonymous No.10818864]

>>10808554
OOO is a fucking dead end, man. Once you get down to the sub atomic level, the designation of discreet objects of study is REALLY metaphorical, and you're really just talking about fluctuations of energy and 'forces'.

[Anonymous No.10818879]

>>10808554
>>10818864
did this grow at all? i saw Zizek meme about it some years ago, downloaded a book that i never read, but then everything got politicized like crazy and i forgot about meme ontologies

[Anonymous No.10818894]

>>10811711
by denying our own lives. or hiding from ourselves. or something similar

[Anonymous No.10818897]

>>10810666
based satanic pynch-poster

[Anonymous No.10818919]

>>10811753
>t.khv fantasist
i make <$15k/year
i told a girl on tinder she had a booger hanging out of her nose in one of her pics and that it was kinda cute in a gross way
she is programmed in my phone as 'knob slob on demand'

[Anonymous No.10818921]

>>10818864
But that dominant way of thinking is exactly what OOO is offering an alternative to
harman for example would argue that objects are more than their effects (and designating things as being only their effect is i think the point of talking about flows and energies), because they are always only partially discovered, at any one time only partially engaged in the system of their effects, and holding something else in reserve.

[Anonymous No.10818946]

>>10818921
>and holding something else in reserve.

[Anonymous No.10818977]

can someone redpill me on OOO? sounds like a meme desu

[Anonymous No.10818989]

>>10818946
kek
>>10818921
that conception of object 'reservation' still presupposes the possible delineation of objects at the level of analysis we're talking about. but what we find, when we actually go looking for the 'things' in their 'systems of relations'-- what we find are not things at all, but 'pulsations', potentialities that are mathematically renderable but obviously not directly observable, and then the actualization of these potentialities, which are only observable as 'effect' transmissions.
i think harman needs to return to whitehead and seriously reconsider what he was actually getting at, rather than trying to construct a conceptual system in obverse.

[Anonymous No.10818990]

>>10818977
>Timothy Morton became involved with object-oriented ontology after his ecological writings were favorably compared with the movement's ideas. In The Ecological Thought, Morton introduced the concept of hyperobjects to describe objects that are so massively distributed in time and space as to transcend spatiotemporal specificity, such as global warming, styrofoam, and radioactive plutonium.[38] He has subsequently enumerated five characteristics of hyperobjects:
>Viscous: Hyperobjects adhere to any other object they touch, no matter how hard an object tries to resist. In this way, hyperobjects overrule ironic distance, meaning that the more an object tries to resist a hyperobject, the more glued to the hyperobject it becomes.[39]
sounds like a meme to me, but who knows

also which kinds of objects does OOO work with? it's just reality as it's sliced by normal human consciousness or do they deal also with different weird ways of slicing the world that make no sense to humans?

[Anonymous No.10819051]

>>10811069
>globohomo
Added to my vocab you genius madman.

[Anonymous No.10819068]

>>10818989
I'm not sure how what you're saying proves things can't be more than their effects - if you're talking about objects of enquiry which are mathematically renderable but not observable, and i assume here you mean quantum physics, the uncertainty principle, wave functions etc - this doesn't imply that, i dunno, electrons are only energy and not a more concrete thing. And in any case, i don't think that just because you have problems of access to things on a microscopic or subatomic level that this tells you conclusively that they fade away into a background flux.

[Anonymous No.10819080]

>>10811679
>implying 'breaking off' is possible

read derrida pleb

[Anonymous No.10819089]

>>10818989
I think harman would take issue with the method of breaking things down into smaller and smaller components and then, when this becomes impossible or very difficult for methodological reasons, resorting to mathematical descriptions - which sort of shifts the problem. The maths has to express something, but you're resorting to it precisely when you've run up against a problem of what 'thing' you're dealing with.

[Anonymous No.10819100]

>>10811692
and too many faggots who misuse quotation marks

[Anonymous No.10819108]

>>10818989
But forgive me if i'm missing the point i'm not a philosopher and particularly practiced in reading philosophy but this interests me

[Anonymous No.10819185]

>>10808610
>the basic points of the human experience (sex, gender, power and hierarchy
This is what I don't get, it seems like getting up in the morning and following certain patterns of behavior is more fundamental to my Being than the power structure inherent to the relationship between me, my gf and black people.

[Anonymous No.10819332]

>>10819185
What is the meaning of Being?

[Anonymous No.10819352]

>>10819332
Existing as a human rn

[Anonymous No.10819365]

>>10819332
You have to work out what the question means first

[Anonymous No.10819373]

>>10808001
butthurt jews having a fit

[Anonymous No.10819382]

>>10819352
Don't confuse the nature of beings with the nature of Being!

>>10819365
The question of the question?

[Anonymous No.10819391]

>>10807769
Postmodernism isn't a dogma. It's an umbrella term used to describe a wide variety of attitudes and trends. It shouldn't be treated as a cohesive belief system.

[Anonymous No.10819623]

>>10819391
Shut up Jew! Everything that has ever hurt my feelings IS part of a cohesive ideology. If you didn't deny nature and rational it you would know this is true :^)

[Anonymous No.10819642]

>>10819391
this is what dumb people actually think

[Anonymous No.10819668]

does Ready Player One fall under post-modernism?

[Anonymous No.10819834]

>>10819668
No, Ernest, it doesn't. Please leave and stay leave.

[Anonymous No.10820879]

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[Anonymous No.10821346]

>>10819382
What it means to ask the question what is the meaning of Being, dear dasein

[Anonymous No.10821903]

>>10807878
All existentialists are nihilists, not all nihilists are existentialists
Or is that the other way round >>10808388
He already did that’s why hes here telling you buckos what’s good >>10808789
Saved

[Anonymous No.10822058]

>>10808611
This is a thought I've also had, specifically the one about anti-nazism being the foundation of good today. However, the lines on the map and a lot of institutions are not at all based in WW2, one must be careful not to put everything on the fountation myth. Another big overarching theme not mentioned is globalism, and one could amongst other things, see nazism as a reaction against it, being extreme nationalism

[Anonymous No.10822660]

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[Anonymous No.10823064]

>>10808005
wow that's dumb

[Anonymous No.10823147]

>>10808015

New sincerity is a contender, but its not picked up enough yet.

[Anonymous No.10823716]

>>10817455
>it never occurred, it's just that the very clear assumptions and narratives went unacknowledged as long as they worked seamlessly in the first world

Well, the metanarratives were at least change by postmodernism. A lot of academia borrowed postmodern lingo to construct their own neo-Marxist metanarratives.

[Anonymous No.10823722]

>>10823716
yes, but it was never honest postmodernism, it was tactical postmodernism, deconstructing some things while building up others which were never up for analysis

not sure if i would call it neo-marxist, marxists are getting cucked everywhere by the liberal left now that they have id pol, and they don't seem to be able to uncuck themselves and just keep capitulating to their new vagina overlords

[Anonymous No.10823790]

>>10812894
What the fuck even is metamodernism? I still haven't found a good explanation

[Anonymous No.10824623]

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[Anonymous No.10824637]

>>10823790
it's some gay shit made up by shia laboufs boyfriend, no one even heard of it except people from /pol/ due to hwndu

[Anonymous No.10824719]

>>10823722
> it was tactical postmodernism, deconstructing some things while building up others which were never up for analysis

Agreed.

>not sure if i would call it neo-marxist, marxists are getting cucked everywhere by the liberal left now that they have id pol

Neo-Marxism was a hallmark of the New Left which gave rise to id pol, swapping identity oppression for proletariat oppression. There's a zillion definitions for these things but that's what I'm using.

[Anonymous No.10825213]

>>10810660
Sure he is great on that topic, but you shouldn't touch him with a pole when it comes to economics. Just read blogs of actual economists, krugman, piketty, etc. or if you are right-centre econlog or marginal revolution.
https://www.reddit.com/r/Economics/wiki/blogs

[Anonymous No.10825695]

>>10824719
>Neo-Marxism was a hallmark of the New Left which gave rise to id pol, swapping identity oppression for proletariat oppression.
but that change is more useful to corporations and socially engineering liberals than to marxists, i'm still not sure they were the ones pushing for the change or if they did it sure blew up on their faces

[Anonymous No.10825717]

Because it's true.

[Anonymous No.10825757]

>>10808001
postmodernism is the critique of critique, aka a useless circlejerk

[Anonymous No.10825770]

>>10825717

that's not whipping, but flogging.
Such a pat claim to truth is not to be expected from the postmodern milleu, and runs counter to Lyotard's formulation at least, however much he may have later regretted the work.

[Anonymous No.10825928]

>>10808001
Criticism for Criticism's sake

[Anonymous No.10825954]

>>10808333
la creatura...

[Anonymous No.10825961]

>>10825954
nobody's following Adorno in the current year + 1

[Anonymous No.10826021]

>>10808001
Stuff that is based on the feeling of having lost objective truth, everything got relative, the only imperative is therefore tolerance (pc) of each and everything. In their desperation for finding something sturdy again people are deconstructing each and everything, but it doesn't give them or the viewer/reader/... satisfaction. People turn lonely and nihilistic. It may even be the age of the last men, although that's unlikely.

[Anonymous No.10826096]

>>10811032
You should probably consider killing yourself.

[Anonymous No.10826117]

>>10826021
except it's the age of the chink

[Anonymous No.10826222]

>>10807796
>much free speech
>lands book deals and tv appearances
>clean yr room

>>10808123
Smartest post so far.

>>10808599
If you don't want democracy to work there's plenty of historical examples in the 20th century of lovely places to live. Pol Pot's Cambodia, the USSR, Mao's China, etc.

>>10808611
9/11 is more of a "foundation myth" for contemporary U.S., which fancies itself the greatest nation and still happens to have the largest military, than anything. America is always already under attack by "terrorists", hence the need for more state measures to spy on citizens and erode freedoms, increase the militarization of police, and justify further intervention in nations all over the world. Everyone is a potential threat.

>>10808724
Examples?

>>10811032
Just... go offline? Should've done this instead of misplacing your anger: >>10811641

>>10826096
Agreed.

[Anonymous No.10826251]

>>10825954
I never got why Adorno got all the flak when Marcuse and Sontag were far worse

[Anonymous No.10826258]

>>10826251
because he was the genius of the circle who made the most dangerous accusations against Enlightenment, Aesthetics and Capital. You can’t attack the mechanics of the Beast and expect to get away unscathed. In the past you get killed or made to recant, today they make your friends call you a reactionary and your enemies a subversive slave moralist.

[Anonymous No.10826259]

>>10826251
because he looks like a meme

[Anonymous No.10826423]

>>10808138
excellent post

[Anonymous No.10826446]

>>10810618
100% true

yale university is a breeding ground for post-modern, deconstructionist thought. the only people who buy this shit have no concept of what social life is outside of what pertains to their richfag lives

foucault, derrida, and barthes are pillars of study in any critical/literary/art theory class at yale

(yale is full of "literary" fags)

[Anonymous No.10826494]

>>10826021
If anything modern values are even more homogeneous than before globalism and colonialism. You're just regurgitating tired old bullshit.
>4chan
>Wonder Showzen
>Million Dollar Extreme
>Trump's entire rhetorical style
The Alt Right is even more immersed in postmodernism than the Left. Ideologies are spread using post-truth meme culture and feed on apathy and cynicism about objectivity. No "objective" values are being reclaimed, everything is about humor and posturing. Mammy told us not to say nigger and it became an untapped source of juvenile rebellion on the anonymity of the internet.

[Anonymous No.10826530]

Because its unironically correct which is why people can only refute straw men of it.

[Anonymous No.10826537]

>>10811873
>I really don't know, I feel we hit a stop that we don't know how to get out of, is extreme Capitalism and whatever their counterparts are the best that the human geist can come up with? Or we simply don't want to get out that frame?

It may be harder for us since the challenge is enormous. You would have to come up with something better and be able to defend it against the deconstructionist and the established system. Unfortunately there is no one taking up the job, so how about you try and struggle yourself? Even as someone who lacks the necessary discipline, I'm making (admittedly weak) efforts trying to figure something out and hope to widen my horizon by attending unspooked Marxist discussion groups, studying philosophy and reading some Nietzsche and Stirner. I'm not as smart when it comes to philosophical thinking and just started with it all, but damn at least I can fucking try. I just refuse to believe that this is all there is.

[Anonymous No.10826541]

>>10826537
> reading some Nietzsche and Stirner.
forgot to mention based Wittgenstein

[Anonymous No.10826570]

>>10818990
>styrofoam

Why is that supposed to be an hyperobject?

[Anonymous No.10826585]

>>10812171
Gnosticism never does, I guess

[Anonymous No.10826620]

>>10826570
who knows, seems like a meme ontology