/lit/ - Literature

[Anonymous No.11156427]

>that scene when humbert received a letter from Lolita out of the blue and it just starts with:

"Dear Dad."

I swear to God I've never cried so hard with a book. It was not even crying, it was sobbing. I unironically want to erase this book from my mind because it's just too fucking sad.

[Anonymous No.11156461]

After having read all the shit they've gone through together and how lola went from being this cute Daisy girl and what became of her, and after 3 years of incessant searching for her she just contacts him suddenly. And when he offers her his everything, that he would love and live with her forever and give everything he had to her, and thank the gods for this blissful gift, and she replies with a single no. It just breaks my fucking heart everytime.

[Anonymous No.11156692]

>>11156461

>when she starts bringing up Quilty, says he was the only man she was crazy for, and also replies she'd almost rather go back with Clare than with Humbert

Fucking hell. I never got why she was burning him so much. Was she just naive to the extent of HH's feelings, or was she on some level purposely intent on hurting him because of what he put her through? Or was she just generally oblivious to people's feelings as she's always been unsubtle?

[Anonymous No.11156702]

>>11156692
Humbert is a beta orbiter which is why you relate to him so much.

[Anonymous No.11156709]

>>11156702

Rude.

[Anonymous No.11156842]

>“She closed her eyes and opened her mouth, leaning back on the cushion, one felted foot on the floor. The wooden floor slanted, a little steel ball would have rolled into the kitchen. I knew all I wanted to know. I had no intention of torturing my darling. Somewhere beyond Bill’s shack an afterwork radio had begun singing of folly and fate, and there she was with her ruined looks and her adult, rope-veined narrow hands and her goose-flesh white arms, and her shallow ears, and her unkempt armpits, there she was (my Lolita!), hopelessly worn at seventeen, with that baby, dreaming already in her of becoming a big shot and retiring around 2020 A.D. — and I looked and looked at her, and knew as clearly as I know I am to die, that I loved her more than anything I had ever seen or imagined on earth, or hoped for anywhere else. She was only the faint violet whiff and dead leaf echo of the nymphet I had rolled myself upon with such cries in the past; an echo on the brink of a russet ravine, with a far wood under a white sky, and brown leaves choking the brook, and one last cricket in the crisp weeds… but thank God it was not that echo alone that I worshipped. What I used to pamper among the tangled vines of my heart, mon grand pêché radieux, had dwindled to its essence: sterile and selfish vice, all that I canceled and cursed. You may jeer at me, and threaten to clear the court, but until I am gagged and half-throttled, I will shout my poor truth. I insist the world know how much I loved my Lolita, this Lolita, pale and polluted, and big with another’s child, but still gray-eyed, still sootylashed, still auburn and almond, still Carmencita, still mine; Changeons de vie, ma Carmen, allons vivre quelque part où nous ne serons jamais séparés; Ohio? The wilds of Massachusetts? No matter, even if those eyes of hers would fade to myopic fish, and her nipples swell and crack, and her lovely young velvety delicate delta be tainted and torn — even then I would go mad with tenderness at the mere sight of your dear wan face, at the mere sound of your raucous young voice, my Lolita.”
fuck

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>>11156842
Damn anon. These are some mad feels.

[Ricebot !05nYLrwuNY No.11156924]

>>11156692
>almost rather go back with Clare
Who the fuck is Clare?

And I totally get why Lola would be so fucking mad at humbert, which makes it all so much sadder, because he loved her so much.

[Anonymous No.11156954]

>a thread full of people that think HH loved Dolores
She was completely fucking solipsized only on fucking 4chan do people sympathize/empathize with humbert

[Anonymous No.11156974]

>>11156954
M8. He was an asshole, humbert was an awful manipulative person, but damn did he love her. He loved her he loved her he loved her. If he didn't, why wouldn't he have desperately and incessantly looked and looked for her for three long years and to have given all the rest of the money he had for Lolita and a breakdown of tears.
He was an awful, vile person, but he has and had the ability to love just like anyone else, and he loved Lola more than any of us have.

[Anonymous No.11156986]

>>11156974
Obsession isn't love and we aren't even invited to think seriously that it is. He never recognized her as a human being, only a desire-object that he tried to mold to fit his desire. Like Hitchcock's Vertigo, these men's obsessions cannot be love, or if they could be at all, they are a wholly narcissistic misleading and misled obsessive lustful love. Is that love? Could it be?

[Anonymous No.11156987]

>>11156974
Just because you want to fuck somebody doesn't make it love. He was obsessed with her, yeah, but if he actually loved her he wouldn't have made her miserable just so that he could feel good

[Anonymous No.11156991]

>>11156987
Even more basically, how could you ever love someone you don't think is human?

That's half the point of her being a child. Not yet a human. Can't be loved in this way

[Anonymous No.11157000]

>>11156986
>>11156987
Doesn't matter. Still was love to me.
Love hurts. Love is crazy and blind. Love is so overwhelming it makes people do awful things, that's the whole point of the book.

[Anonymous No.11157009]

>>11156991
Haven't you ever heard the story of Pygmalion? Men don't necessarily fall in love with a person the same way everywhere. There are people that love people precisely because they see them as something not precisely only human, and that doesn't change anything and his immense love for her.

[Anonymous No.11157011]

>>11157000
Are you from /r9k/? Only a fucking robot with a teenager understanding of love could think that way.

[Anonymous No.11157057]

>>11156974

Somewhere beyond Nabokov is laughing at you, anon

[Anonymous No.11157092]

>>11156924
why am i not surprised you dont know who clare is

[Anonymous No.11157105]

>>11157092
Because he's almost never mentioned as "Clare" in the book. He's just called Quilty literally everywhere.

[Anonymous No.11158106]

>>11156986
>>11156987

>wanting to mold someone to your desire means you can't love them

If you stop your wife repeatedly cheating on you are you not in love? But just want to mold her away from what she is and wants, to fit your desires of monogamy and having her dedicated to you and keeping her promises to you?

Almost nobody who claims to be in love is actually in pure unconditional selfless love. Humbert Humbert was in love but had his own desires for that love that he molded onto her, and shows signs of regretting that at the end.

[Anonymous No.11158202]

>>11158106
Humbert's crazy because he does unconditionally love her (and he doesn't mold his desires onto her- ignoring his desire to keep her home is what causes him to lose her). If you think pure unconditional selfless love is an ideal, you're sorely wrong. Someone who loves you despite any thing you do or say is crazy, not good for you, because nobody wants someone who is as proud of you taking a shit as they are of you graduating high school as they are of you raping sleeping chicks who you dosed with rohypnol. That kind of unvarying love cripples self esteem and breeds resentment. Which is why Lolita wound up how she did.

[Anonymous No.11159138]

>>11156427
How do you know Dolly wrote it and not HH?

[Anonymous No.11160158]

>>11159138
>trying to engender discussion in a Lolita thread where the OP thinks Dolly is evil for rejecting Humbert
You're new here aren't you.
Also these threads are why I hate /lit/.

[Anonymous No.11160218]

Just picked up Lolita a week ago... Guess I'll stop reading it now. Thanks for this.

[Anonymous No.11160249]

ITT people that can't differentiate love from lust and obsession

Humbert was a narcissistic and manipulative prick. Pure honeyed words to the audience (The judge and jury) but underneath, the man was a predator pure and simple. Dehumanizes Lolita and other pubescent girls by calling them nymphlets that wear disguise themselves as humans, tells us how it was SHE that seduced him, and then tells her how awful her life would be if she left him. Not to mention that he had no qualms about hurting other people, going so far as to deliberately hurt his first wife and knowing where it hurt more.

[Anonymous No.11160290]

REMINDER: "We had been everywhere. We had really seen nothing. And I catch myself thinking today that our long journey had only defiled with a sinuous trail of slime the lovely, trustful, dreamy, enormous country, that, by then, in retrospect, was no more than a collection of dog-eared maps, ruined tour books, old tires and her sobs in the night—every night, every night—the moment I feigned sleep."

[Anonymous No.11160311]

>>11160249
>Dehumanizing predators because human emotions are scary and complicated and it's easier to just put moral quantifiers on words in order to keep things black and white

[Anonymous No.11160330]

>>11160311
Right, because it's emotion that makes poor old Humbert seek to drug both his second wife and Lolita so that he can fondle the child. His intentions were cemented when he chose to marry Dolores's mother.

[Anonymous No.11160673]

>>11156924
how have you not been arrested yet

[Anonymous No.11160758]

>>11156842
>Have never loved nor been loved so I can't relate

[Ricebot !05nYLrwuNY No.11161064]

>>11158202
I thibj youre right.

>>11160758
>Have never loved nor been loved so I can't relate
It's best you don't, it hurts too much and brings too much melancholia.

>>11160673
>How have you not been arrested yet?
What do you mean? I haven't said or done anything illegal so far.

[Ricebot !05nYLrwuNY No.11161075]

>>11161064
I think you're*

[Anonymous No.11161115]

>>11160290
Hormones.

[Anonymous No.11162097]

Having a dream of meeting and falling in love with a Lolita is always blissful during sleep, but when you wake up and see it doesn't exist then it's just pure melancholia.

Make it stop anons. I don't want to think of love.

[Anonymous No.11162105]

>>11156954

Sympathizing with lolita instead of humbert is a 100% accurate idiot detector.
You revealed yourself as a pseud despite 4chan anonimity shield, good job, anon.

[Anonymous No.11162108]

>>11156986

Pleasre read this:

>>11156842

and tell me these are the words you would say to someone you don't recognize as a human being and see as a desire-object of obsessive lustful love.

[Anonymous No.11162136]

Humbert was a degenerate psychopath.

[Anonymous No.11162317]

>>11162136
Yeah he was, so what? Nobody said he was the good guy

[Anonymous No.11162549]

>>11156427
Haha pussy.

[Anonymous No.11162570]

>>11156427
>>11156461
>>11156692
Pedos need to be shot.

[Anonymous No.11162609]

>the movie
Is this how westerners imagine how Lolita would look like in the book? I am asian and I would have imagined someone that looks somewhat younger. The one in the movie looks like a 17 to me.

[Anonymous No.11162624]

>>11162609
That was done because working with child actors is a pain.

[Anonymous No.11162626]

>>11162609
>Is this how westerners imagine how Lolita would look like in the book?
What the fuck, no. I imagine her a cute redhead with thin arms and legs who runs around with tomboyish shorts and teases boys.

[Anonymous No.11162654]

>>11156427
Hebephilia and such is a much bigger issue within the perpetrator's unresolved youth, often being a perceival of some sort of loss with statements like-
>tfw no childhood sweetheart
>obsessing over your partner's sexual past
>being on either side of sexual fetishism regarding infidelity and taboo etc

I went through therapy for a year for all these issues, if you learn to identify this issue within yourself you no longer have to be a slave to these terrifying and controversial feelings that will get you crucified in today's society.

[Anonymous No.11162671]

>>11162654
>be me
>tfw I never had teenage love
>tfw I was in love with this cute redhead all through High School
>tfw became extremely cynical about the faithfulness of any woman past that age
>watch Lolita Movie
>see this gorgeous, smiling, innocent redhead
>literally become obsessed with the movie and the book

I should have seen this coming and prepared myself, shouldn't have I?

[Anonymous No.11162676]

Tfw HH admits his evil-
>She groped for words. I supplied them mentally "He broke my heart. You merely broke my life."

[Anonymous No.11162689]

>>11162671
>unreciprocated love*

[Anonymous No.11162717]

>>11156991
Wtf, she is a human, but not an adult human.

[Anonymous No.11162726]

>tfw I unironically believe that only a teenager can love
What is wrong with me? Should I tell this to a therapist?

[Anonymous No.11162760]

>>11162689
What
>>11162717
Love isbthe cre

[Anonymous No.11162765]

>>11162760
>>11162717
Love is the creation of a fantasy which becomes independent of the physical person, yet its recollection is inevitably rekindled again and again by the physical, actually existing, person.
This is the love of Humbert's poetic-aesthetic existence.

[Anonymous No.11162775]

>>11156692
Because women revel in your pain. Id you ever actually went outside and talked to one you'd know

[Anonymous No.11162783]

>>11162765
Dont disagree but She is a human. A child human. Why did that anon say she wasnt human? Lol

[Anonymous No.11162789]

>>11162760
>What
I fucking fell in love during teenage years with a redhead but it never resulted to nothing. The day that I saw the Lolita movie I literally convinced myself that she is the prettiest girl in the whole world (redhead Dominique Swain) and I think that's because she must remind me of the love that I could have had but didn't (and all the innocence that was lost).

>>11162765
>Love is the creation of a fantasy which becomes independent of the physical person, yet its recollection is inevitably rekindled again and again by the physical, actually existing, person.
This right here.
Love is, in a sense, all in your head.

[Anonymous No.11163370]

Bumpitty bump

[Anonymous No.11164883]

>>11156427
why everyone asumes that "dear dad" is not written to manipulate Humbert? I dont mean it in a negative way, on the contrary, shes finally able to take control over the situation.

[Anonymous No.11164906]

>>11156954
Daily reminder:

"I loved you. I was a pentapod monster, but I loved you. I was despicable and brutal, and turpid, and everything, mais je t’aimais, je t’aimais! And there were times when I knew how you felt, and it was hell to know it, my little one. Lolita girl, brave Dolly Schiller."

"Somewhere beyond Bill’s shack an afterwork radio had begun singing of folly and fate, and there she was with her ruined looks and her adult, rope-veined narrow hands and her goose-flesh white arms, and her shallow ears, and her unkempt armpits,there she was (my Lolita!), hopelessly worn at seventeen, with that baby, dreaming already in her of becoming a big shot and retiring around 2020 A.D. — and I looked and looked at her, and knew as clearly as I know I am to die, that I loved her more than anything I had ever seen or imagined on earth, or hoped for anywhere else."

[Anonymous No.11164998]

>>11164883
>why everyone asumes that "dear dad" is not written to manipulate Humbert?

tfw when Lolita was the villain all along.

[Anonymous No.11165024]

>>11156692
Because he raped her. He raped her every night. She cried herself to sleep at night. She ran off with another pedo to get away from him.

There’s a part where Humbert just wants to be close to her, so he tries cuddling her while she’s doing her homework. She replies with a visibly annoyed ’Dude, I’m trying to do my homework, can your dick wait until I’m done!?”

To him, it’s just randomly hugging his girl. To her, it mean he wants to fuck her.

She can’t see him as someone who loves her, only someone who fucked her for his own selfish purposes.

[Anonymous No.11165025]

>>11162789
>Love is, in a sense, all in your head

where else would it be

[Anonymous No.11165033]

>>11165025
>where else would it be
The girl

[Anonymous No.11165040]

>>11164998
That’s the saddest part. (Even if she was manipulating him by writing it, which she probably was)

He was literally the dad she had. No matter how much he fucked her and ruined her life, he was still the man she thought of as a father-figure.

[Anonymous No.11165320]

>>11165040
The feels are strong with this one.

[Anonymous No.11165395]

>>11162609
Pretty sure it wasa compromise Kubrick had to do with the studio.
I donteven know why he tried to adapt thatbook. It failsbadly

[Anonymous No.11165597]

>>11156461
Have a seat over there.

[Anonymous No.11165688]

>>11156427
why don't you take a seat

[Anonymous No.11165838]

Why couldn't Humbert just have loved Lolita like in the bulk of Part 1 and have been her loving dear father with a mix of incestual caress here and there (such as hugging, kissing, cuddling, pretending to be boyfriend and girlfriend, but nothing beyond that) and just have loved her like he always said he would in the book but without ever having raped her? Why did he have to rape her? Why, just why? He was the only father she could ever have in her life, and she needed a guardian. He could have kept loving her, kissing her, cuddling her, hugging her etc, but WHY did he have to rape her? I still don't get it.

HUMBERT, WHY DID YOU HAVE TO RUIN LOLITA'S INNOCENCE

[Anonymous No.11165843]

HUMBERT YOU NEED TO EXPLAIN WHY YOU RAPED MY DEAR SWEET LITTLE DAISY LOLITA

[Anonymous No.11165862]

>>11165597
>>11165688
I'm fine, thanks though.

[Anonymous No.11165909]

>>11165838
He was mentally ill

[Anonymous No.11165920]

>>11165909
UUUUUUUGH HUMBERT I'M GONNA FUCKING MURDER YOU. I JUST WANT TO HUG AND PROTECC INNOCENT DAISY LOLITA AND TELL HER I LOVE HER
REEEEEEEEEE

[Anonymous No.11166155]

>>11165920
>UUUUUUUGH HUMBERT I'M GONNA FUCKING MURDER YOU. I JUST WANT TO HUG AND PROTECC INNOCENT DAISY LOLITA AND TELL HER I LOVE HER
>AND AND AND AND NEVER EVER EVER EVER HAVE LUSTFUL FEELINGS FOR HER
>NEVER
>NEVER NEVER NEVER
>OH FUCK
That's what it's all about m80

[Anonymous No.11166668]

I fucking go to sleep, dream about, then wake up thinking about this goddamn book. For fucks sake why won't I stop thinking about it, it's just a fucking book. Also, why do the love quotes move me so deeply, I have trouble containing tears if I read the best quotes on Goodreads, for fuck's sake this book makes me so fucking sad.

[Anonymous No.11166672]

Why do the love quotes speak so strongly to me? What the fuck is wrong with me, seriously. It's just a fucking book.

[Anonymous No.11166737]

>>11162108
He talked a lot of shit about how he loved her in the book, his actions never reflected that, he never seemed to like her personally at all.

[Anonymous No.11167077]

>>11166737
Yeah. He is talking to the outside world, not to himself. So he needs to put a veneer of love around all of the things he did to Dolores.

[Anonymous No.11167125]

>>11156427
> taking Lolita at face value
> not considering that Lolita was manipulating Humbert for her own gains
> not considering that Humbert Humbert is a liar and that he's telling us this just to try and manipulate us as readers

You're not even considering the subtext of the book, OP. Maybe you should just stop reading.

[Anonymous No.11167213]

>>11157000
>Doesn't matter. Still was love to me.
Oh, well as long as that's how you feel then you're fine.

[Anonymous No.11167242]

How do you manage to get this emotionally invested in works of fiction

[Anonymous No.11167258]

>>11165025
Teh peen

[Anonymous No.11167579]

>>11167242
>How do you manage to get this emotionally invested in works of fiction
I don't. But for some reason this one has just got to me. It all began when I watched a few parts of the 1997 movie, and that redhead Dominique Swain, with her red cheeks, red lips, auburn hair and innocent smile seemed like the most beautiful woman in the World to me. And I'm kinda of an erotomaniac, and also I had a teenage crush for years on this girl that also happened to be a redhead, didn't turn out so good. So I guess Dominique Swain was my Lolita and my teenage sweetheart was my Annabelle.