/lit/ - Literature

[Anonymous No.11642089]

Nietzsche once claimed that when it comes to philosophical talent, India is first, and England is last (worst). He also claimed that Europe has not yet reached the level of spirituality that India had reached thousands of years ago.

/lit/ likes to talk about the Bible a lot, it's become almost a meme, we all seem to agree Bible is a source of wisdom.

But comparing the ancient Indian Indo-European civilization with the Jewish one, to see the spiritual level they were at.

Deuteronomy was written in 7th century BC (according to scholars). It has stuff like:

>You may eat any animal that has a split hoof divided in two and that chews the cud. However, of those that chew the cud or that have a split hoof completely divided you may not eat the camel, the rabbit, or the coney.

A veritable pearl of wisdom.

TWO CENTURIES before that in the 9th century BC, the Brihadaranyaka Upanishad had already been composed. Sample from the text:

>"That (Brahman) is infinite, and this (universe) is infinite. the infinite proceeds from the infinite.
>(Then) taking the infinitude of the infinite (universe), it remains as the infinite (Brahman) alone."

One text deals with stuff like what you can eat and where you can put your penis, the absolute retardation probably due to excessive exposure to sun of the desert man can be felt on every page of the Bible.

On the other hand, the Indian text of the time show a philosophical depth of a Kant or a Hegel. Schopenhauer said that the re-discovery of the Upanishads by Europe is comparable to the rediscovery of ancient Greek materials in the Renaissance. He said it's by far the most profound material he's ever read.

Question: Why do we still waste so much time & energy with Desert Trilogy when our own, Indo-European heritage, is so much more richer and profound?

[Anonymous No.11642099]

fuck off pajeet

[Anonymous No.11642113]

There is no philosophy in India until Alexander introduced it. Like their sculpture all Indian philosophy is sourced from and derivative of the Greeks.

[Anonymous No.11642120]

>>11642113
And that matters why?

[Anonymous No.11642123]

>>11642089
You've got it completely wrong pajeet.

One promotes a form of dietary health care suitable for existence in an Iron Age civilization. The animals that chewed the cud and/or had a split hoof like pigs were more likely to cause food poisoning and diseases in human beings when poorly cooked or prepared than those that were not.

The other is just worthless and poorly explicated metaphysical meandering that doesn't actually improve the lives of anybody.

It's ironic that you mentioned Nietzsche because in the end he didn't think too much of Schopenhauer or Eastern philosophy.

[Anonymous No.11642133]

>Question: Why do we still waste so much time & energy with Desert Trilogy when our own, Indo-European heritage, is so much more richer and profound?

It´s not a strict dichotomy. There´s a spirit in the western thought distinct from that which is found in south-asian tradition.

If you believe in some sense that language shape reality, then the shaping qualities, (which have to be unpacked), could be understood as the physiological correspondence between word and world.

The difference in expression regarding similar themes then takes on different modes because of how language fixes the frame.

[Anonymous No.11642136]

>modern street-shitter caste Indian nigger tries to claim descendance from the Indo-Aryans of the Vedas

Hahahaha you fucking dumb nigger! You stupid fucking street shitting brown little baby!

[Anonymous No.11642261]

>>11642089
Dumb. We should ignore all histories and philosophies that do not adhere to my specific world view. Reading the Vedas does not feel like I wrote them. I only read things in order to feel like I had a part in it, due to the color of my skin. This is why I refuse to read anything written by anyone I would not consider white. That includes white Americans, even though I myself live in the US, though I pretend to live in Norway when I post on /pol/.

Though, by "read", what I really mean is read /lit/ and /his/ threads, and sometimes wikipedia articles, to get the gist of things. I don't have the time to actually read a book inbetween shitposting and reading futa doujins on /d/. After I finish masturbating, I'll usually start making inflammatory comments on /lgbt/ or /lit/ or wherever else about how homosexuality is evil and unnatural, sometimes I'll post pictures of Jesus alongside these rants, but I'm actually an atheist and don't believe in anything.

I work a very bland job that I dislike. I don't talk to my coworkers very much. I don't talk to people very much at all. I am better than them. Certainly, better than you. Better than everyone on this board. This is because I'm (mostly) white and hate Jews and shitskins. Go shit in the street some more, Pajeet, you'll never be on my level of genetic superiority.

Gamers rise up!

[Anonymous No.11642276]

>>11642261
This is the perfect depiction of what my live would have become if the book my mom gave me for easter didin't reignite my love for reading

[Anonymous No.11642280]

>>11642276
Your mom sounds like a cool person, anon

[Anonymous No.11642283]

>>11642280
shes alright, wouldn't call her cool though. I fear she will turn just as mindless as my grandma when she reaches her age.

[Anonymous No.11642368]

>>11642089
>Nietzsche once claimed that when it comes to philosophical talent, India is first, and England is last (worst). He also claimed that Europe has not yet reached the level of spirituality that India had reached thousands of years ago.

He was quite correct. Unfortunately he did not realize the importance of physical practice when seeking the absolute, and suffered the fate of the 'Masts' that Avatar Meher Baba spent his life trying to help.

Nietzsche was metaphorically the crucified of his age, being the exemplar of the inverse of the idol of the age: reason/madness, and a figure of shame for the social intellectual elite contemporaries.

[Anonymous No.11642394]

Embarrassing thread

The understanding of the self in Vedanta is infinitely more sophisticated than Christianity's. The only exceptions are those whose thought approached this wisdom from the European road - mystics like Eckhart, Boehme, Weil.

Christ is the real deal. The wisdom of the desert fathers, the mystics, are the real deal, though somewhat attenuated by Christian language. The rest can be discarded.

[Anonymous No.11642396]

>>11642283
>tfw granny is a renowed medical doctor with a PhD and several books published
>tfw she believes every sort of conspiracy theory that she comes across, every sort of superstition and does actual magic ritual and believes that Emmanuel Macron is literally unironically the Antichrist, come to corrupt the world (and we’re not even French)
I just don’t get it. Do people really lose it so completely when growing older?
And I fear mama is going the same way

[Anonymous No.11642405]

>>11642120
Becausw the point of this thread is trying to claim they are hughly original?

[Anonymous No.11642409]

>>11642405
Are you really claiming Alexander the Great introduced philosophy to India? Lol

[Anonymous No.11642412]

>>11642123
So one is about art, and the other is about the first philosophy.

[Anonymous No.11642418]

>>11642396
my grandma is the opposite. No special career and a very loyal sheep to the state. Very gullable
>I saw this on the tv last week
>I have voted for [party that always has been in power] all my life
>[bad thing x] can't be bad, I have done it all my life

[Anonymous No.11642535]

>>11642113
Are you stupid?

[January !MrMnqxS.bg No.11642542]

>>11642418
This will be you one day, anon.

[Anonymous No.11642572]

>>11642542
highly doubt that, my iq is too high for that

[Anonymous No.11643260]

>>11642089
>make a thread about spirituality
>take the bible literally
Epic thread

[Anonymous No.11643534]

>>11642261
There's nothing wrong with /d/, anon.

[Anonymous No.11643602]

>>11643534
imagine actually believing this

[Anonymous No.11643620]

/lit/ is filled with Ignatius Reilly types fueled by memes who want to live in the Middle Ages changing bishops' bedpans

[Anonymous No.11643628]

>>11642089
>Nietzsche once claimed
Prove it

[Anonymous No.11643639]

>>11642136
They 100% have Indo-Aryan ancestry though.

[Anonymous No.11643643]

>>11642136
haha memes

[Anonymous No.11643647]

The Greeks were way more profound

[Anonymous No.11643649]

>>11643647
>man is a featherless bibep

[Anonymous No.11643839]

>>11642394
>The understanding of the self in Vedanta is infinitely more sophisticated than Christianity's.
If you don't include further reasoning I'm going to put this straight into my cringe compilation.

[Anonymous No.11643993]

>Nietzsche once claimed

You can stop there.

[Anonymous No.11644041]

>>11642113
The Vedas were composed before the fall of the Minian civilization and several of the largest and most important Upanishads were finished before any of the pre-Socratics were born.

[Anonymous No.11644074]

>>11642089
Vedanta was the first revelation to Adam

[Anonymous No.11644088]

>>11642089
>>You may eat any animal that has a split hoof divided in two and that chews the cud. However, of those that chew the cud or that have a split hoof completely divided you may not eat the camel, the rabbit, or the coney.
>
>A veritable pearl of wisdom.
>
>TWO CENTURIES before that in the 9th century BC, the Brihadaranyaka Upanishad had already been composed. Sample from the text:
>
>>"That (Brahman) is infinite, and this (universe) is infinite. the infinite proceeds from the infinite.
>>(Then) taking the infinitude of the infinite (universe), it remains as the infinite (Brahman) alone."

You don't even deserve an argument

[Anonymous No.11644579]

>>11642123
>The animals that chewed the cud and/or had a split hoof like pigs were more likely to cause food poisoning and diseases in human beings when poorly cooked or prepared than those that were not.
How could one possibly prove that this was the reason for the prohibition?

[Anonymous No.11644593]

>>11643649
>dude ethics lmao

[Anonymous No.11644602]

>>11642123
The OT laws being about animal diseases or sanitation is a ridiculous idea. Neighbouring peoples ate pork and there's no they suffered endless worms. The Pentateuch laws never mention basic sanitation like where to defacate. They're not practical laws, they existed to set apart the Israelites from everyone else.

[Anonymous No.11645073]

>>11642089

[Anonymous No.11645410]

>>11644579
Prohibited animals are described as ‘unclean’. That’s synonymous with ‘full of disease’.

>>11644602
>Neighbouring peoples ate pork and there's no they suffered endless worms
And how would you know this?

>The Pentateuch laws never mention basic sanitation like where to defacate
They were not designed for pajeet.

[Anonymous No.11645754]

>>11643620
Based
Confederacy of dunces is an analysis of the modern neet before the word was even invented

[Anonymous No.11646508]

>>11642113
This. indian philosophy is a meme and mostly just reactionary against buddhism subverting the simplistic hindu paganism.

[Anonymous No.11646512]

>>11644602
This. Dumb modernists think everything needs a practical rational explanation. Keeping the jews jewish was a major element of the religion you still see today.

[Anonymous No.11646531]

>>11645754

it's "LOL UR A HYPOCRITE STOP BLAMING DA JOOOS FOR UR FAILURE" the book. Only unprincipled reprobates could identify with it, thinking if the world sucked for them as it is, they would obviously succeed in it as it ought to be. because their egocentric hedonism is all that matters.

[Anonymous No.11646532]

>>11642089
True, I completely agree.

Do you think all Indo-European descendents should get together? As in, creating a large tribe?

[Anonymous No.11646544]

>>11642261
>Those people [modern nihilists] saw something bug-like in everything that lives, whereas [St.] Francis sees the holiness of life even in a bug.

[Anonymous No.11646548]

>>11642261
>(((open minded))) anti-racists
Yikes

[Anonymous No.11646618]

>>11643649
>challenge is to use as few words as possible
>get shit in for not being profound

[Anonymous No.11646621]

>>11644088
rabbits don't have hooves wtf

[Anonymous No.11646798]

You are right, OP.

The greatest philosopher of all time is Buddha: if one really listens to him and practice his teachings there are great wonders to be found within yourself.

Now that science has made much of the old philosophical texts obsolete (those that try to explain nature, or the structure of the mind, or what is time, etc), Buddha’s call to action still maintains a very well define and attainable path tinsel’s realization that don’t depend on any external deity or promises of eternal life.

It’s actuallt astounding how wise that man was.

[Anonymous No.11646807]

>>11646508
A good amount of it predates Buddhism (Buddha plagiarized from it)

[Anonymous No.11646811]

>>11646798
>Now that science has made much of the old philosophical texts obsolete

lmao imagine actually believing this

[Anonymous No.11646812]

>>11642089
Unironically, this is 100% true. In terms of philosophy and understanding the mind, India absolutely rawdogs the Greeks. Most advanced maps of contemplative technology, most through understanding of the mind. Buddha and Nagarjuana alone take the cake.

[Anonymous No.11646864]

>>11642089
>Question: Why do we still waste so much time & energy with Desert Trilogy when our own, Indo-European heritage, is so much more richer and profound?

The "Desert Trilogy" as you call it itself sprang from Indo-Aryan zoroastrian thought, itself a reaction to proto-hinduism

[Anonymous No.11647017]

>>11646864
Zoroatrianism is closer to it than is usually thought. Some Zoro texts have non-dualistic descriptions of Ahura Mazda that are identical to what's in the Upanishads. It was the Jewish misunderstanding of it as strictly dualistic that was transferred into the western mind and which underlies a lot of the ennui and neurosis in western culture.

[Anonymous No.11647024]

>>11647017
>The Godhead in Christianity is dualistic

[Anonymous No.11647058]

>>11647024
It mostly is, sure you have some weak panentheism in EO and even weaker panentheism in Aquinas but in most cases it's so weak as to basically be dualist. It's not really non-dualist unless you can say ONLY the Absolute/godhead exists which every major church would deny. There are occasional Christian thinkers who glimpse the truth like Bohme or Eckhart but these are few and far inbetween and usually have no affect upon official doctrine. For the overwhelming majority of worshippers who don't read thousands of pages of theological and mystical literature it appears dualist.

[Anonymous No.11647066]

>>11642396
that's just how medical doctors usually are
they're not critical thinkers

[Anonymous No.11647072]

>>11642396

She's just stupid and seemingly got through medical schools off feminist quotas.

[Anonymous No.11647076]

>>11647017
Some general information from the internet gave me the idea that Zoroastrian texts were largely updated in the course of it's existence, depending on the historical context, and some claim zoroastrianism itself was initially just dualistic, and only had a focus on a monotheistic god much later, just so the sassanids could rival the christian roman empire, how true is that?

>>11647024
He just said about the jewish god, ergo, the god of the jewish bible.

[Anonymous No.11647084]

>>11647076
>ergo, the god of the jewish bible
= the God of Christianity

[Anonymous No.11647094]

>>11647084

[Anonymous No.11647095]

>>11647084
Nope, got of the OT has a totally different tone to the one that Jesus conceptualized. It figures, one was conceptualized by some desert tribes, the other by an Essene ascentic.

[Anonymous No.11647159]

>>11647095
It has a different tone, but how is is theologically and philosophically different?

[Anonymous No.11647173]

>>11647159
Because the authors of the NT kept citing ideas and passages from the Jewish Bible, so when the canon was edited, it contained books from the Septuagint solely for that reason. Christ had a universal understanding of god though his OOBE, radically different than what was thought of in his time, but after he died the apostles couldn't really make sense of anything, unless they appealed to judaic ideas from their respective time.

[Anonymous No.11647242]

>>11647173
Book for this feel! plz

[Anonymous No.11647253]

>>11647242
Just read the Gospel by Mark in the greek original translated with footnotes.

[Anonymous No.11647601]

>>11646811
>I'm too retarded to understand science, therefore it's false

[Anonymous No.11647607]

>>11646798
This.

[Anonymous No.11647638]

I love indian philosophers pic related

[Anonymous No.11647783]

>>11647638
>he can't understand the scathing satire of the regressing qualities of carnal lust, exquisitely illustrated by a gradual loss of syntax as the author's soliloquy degenerates into an almost animalistic trance

>he doesn't get the reference to the famous zen koan of Nansen and the cat, which illustrates the inevitability of desire, and it's pain, even though the author drops subtle hints like 'meow', 'pussy' and 'cat'.

>mfw when

[Anonymous No.11647788]

>>11647783
>it's pain
>mfw when
bravo

[Anonymous No.11647824]

[Anonymous No.11648246]

Eastern philosophy is not profound at all. It's thousands of variations of the phrase "all is One." It's tautology after tautology.

[Anonymous No.11648293]

>>11648246
This

[Anonymous No.11648372]

>>11648246
>impying they're wrong
>implying endless autistic splitting hairs over pointless definitions is profound

[Anonymous No.11648641]

>thousands of texts/scrolls destroyed by foreign invaders
>haha the Indo's dont know shit

[Anonymous No.11648681]

>>11642089
nice try pajeet, go pray to your pink elephant fairy god

[Anonymous No.11648740]

Yet they shit in the street and their colleges and universities sucks

[Anonymous No.11648764]

>>11648740

>Make an empire on the backs of 2/3s of the world where you keep importing them to your universities in the metropolis

>Muh high ranked universities

[Anonymous No.11648780]

>>11645073
Question for those in the know: In BH 5.1.1 (in the picture) Swami Nikhilananda translates kham as akasha. As far as I can tell they mean the same thing: variously translated as ether, atmosphere, sky, etc. Is there any reason he'd render one Sanskrit word as another? It seems quite weird to me.

[Anonymous No.11648784]

>>11642394
Holy shit, this is so fucking epic.

[Anonymous No.11648816]

>>11647601
>Descartes and Kant don't explain things like Neil DeGrasse Tyson, therefore they are retarded and I get tons of smarty boy points.

[Anonymous No.11648893]

>>11648780
I'm not sure what you mean can you elaborate? I'm familiar with Shakara's writings but can't into Sanskrit. Ether can mean ether of the Indian theory of elements or it can be used analogically to refer to Brahman (which Shankara notes) because like Brahman ether is all-pervading (within manifestation) etc. One of the most common mistakes in English Advaita texts is translating Akasha as space when it should be rendered as ether, for the purpose of metaphors using imagery this can still sometimes still convey the same image but it's still a mistake. I don't know if that's what you are talking about though.

[Anonymous No.11649419]

>>11642368
right practice
right action
right...

[Anonymous No.11649465]

>>11649419
RIGHT WING DEATH SQUADS

[Anonymous No.11649481]

>>11649465
lol

[Anonymous No.11649504]

>>11642368
pure regurgitation

[Anonymous No.11649737]

>>11649504
explain how *regurgitation* (using connotation to induce false logic, tsk tsk) is wrong

[Anonymous No.11649776]

>>11642089
Indians are basically honorary whites tbqh

[Anonymous No.11649814]

>>11642089
yeah but jews are a miniscule minority and are like half the world's billionaires
id say theyre winning against india

[Anonymous No.11649867]

>>11649814
typical materialist jew

[Anonymous No.11649907]

>>11648893
No, if you check the transliterated sankskrit, the word used in BU 5.1.1 actually kham, which apparently has the same meaning as akasha. But instead of translating it or transliterating 'kha(m)', Nikhilananda substitutes 'akasha' for it, which doesn't make sense to me.

[Anonymous No.11649918]

>>11642368
>suffered the fate of the 'Masts' that Avatar Meher Baba spent his life trying to help.

>read Beyond G&E inbetween breaks at work
>became a "mast" in the middle of an office meeting

so tell me what this Avatar dude was about, best texts?

[Anonymous No.11649958]

>>11644602
this is spot on

[Anonymous No.11649975]

The GOAT religion is Judaism.
Not because it's the most condensed or anything, but because it's the one that has extrapolated the most knowledge.
Atleast the jews work instead of sitting on their asses rotting all day like fucking buddhists n shit.

Like in what conditions does salt diffuse better into your glass of water.
>in the still one
>or the one with constant stimulation

Literally doesn't matter who came first, jews worked harder and reaped the benefits.
Not a shill just stating facts here.
Most of you have just so hella bought into anti-jewism.

[Anonymous No.11650004]

If only the germans had won ww2
and if only the germans were jews
you'd be this close to actual 'enlightenment' instead of slinging empty air at eachother.
I was gonna say read a book but realized I'm on /lit/.
Then I'm gonna say you're not gonna find any answers in books, only more questions.
Now there's another question.
Trust me I'm doing you a favor here.
Once you start being able to answer those questions wisdom will come.

[Anonymous No.11650174]

>>11649975
>but because it's the one that has extrapolated the most knowledge.

Most of it is just legalistic interpretation of rituals and proscriptions though, pretty much devoid of any inherent value.

[Anonymous No.11651456]

>>11642089
If you're honest in asking the question then the answer is very simple. The Abrahamic religions are equally deep. This is from the famous bush-burning part of Exodus:

> 13 And Moses said unto God, Behold, when I come unto the children of Israel, and shall say unto them, The God of your fathers hath sent me unto you; and they shall say to me, What is his name? what shall I say unto them?

> 14 And God said unto Moses, I Am That I Am: and he said, Thus shalt thou say unto the children of Israel, I Am hath sent me unto you.

Firstly, the Abrahamic religions are political and are not just monastic, which means that they talk about the whole of life and not just one part. Secondly, you could easily reduce Indian religion to veganism and nofap if you were being uncharitable to them as well.