/lit/ - Literature

[Anonymous No.11652775]

What is Beauty?

[Anonymous No.11652777]

>>11652775
You are, anon.

[Anonymous No.11652778]

Women with good facial symmetry and curvy bodies under the age of 25

[Anonymous No.11652780]

>>11652777
Mom?

[Anonymous No.11652781]

>>11652775
Your mom.

[Anonymous No.11652793]

mommy milkers

[Anonymous No.11652795]

>>11652775
things that you evaluate to be good to
-fuck
-eat
-rest upon
-generally promote your health and well-being

[Anonymous No.11652804]

>>11652780
>>11652781
>>11652793

[Anonymous No.11652805]

>>11652795
Women can be three out of four then, is there anything that's all four?

[Anonymous No.11652811]

>>11652805
A woman to a cannibal.

[Anonymous No.11652819]

>>11652811
>implying I'm not a celibate cannibal

[Anonymous No.11652822]

>>11652775
Health and all signs of fertility which are objective.

[Anonymous No.11652829]

>>11652822

[Anonymous No.11652854]

>>11652795
There's that horrid word again, "fuck." There is no beauty in that word.

[Anonymous No.11652857]

>>11652775
forgiveness even when forgiveness is not deserved and guilt even when not guilty.

[Anonymous No.11652864]

>>11652775
This is just an assortment of glass. I guess its a philosophical question we will never truly answer.

[Anonymous No.11652865]

>>11652857
>guilt even when not guilty.

how

Seriously this has been destroying my life as of late.

[Anonymous No.11652870]

>>11652854
I prefer 'band' when 'making love' is too emotional and 'having sex' is too mehcanical. It's a joyous way to express sex for the fun of it.

[Anonymous No.11652872]

>>11652865
I guess it has something to do with humility? You yourself always feeling a little guilty about your actions and thoughts, in order to push yourself to be a better person?

[Anonymous No.11652878]

>>11652870
*'bang' is the word I was thinking of.

[Anonymous No.11652885]

>>11652865
When you accept the weight of the world's wrongdoings as if you had done them yourself and you do your best to be worthy of forgiveness. There are many things that happen that can't be blamed on anyone so to carry that weight on your consciousness makes life harder but easier to accept.

[Anonymous No.11652888]

>>11652795
Why is a sunset beautiful?

[Anonymous No.11652891]

>>11652775
truth

[Anonymous No.11652894]

>>11652888
sunsets and sunrise are the only times you can look directly at the sun, which is the thing that makes life possible at all. It 'promotes your well-being' in a very fundamental way.

[Anonymous No.11652895]

>>11652775
A thing which we imbue with our own idealism.

[Anonymous No.11652942]

>>11652894
Abstract art?

[Anonymous No.11652951]

>>11652942
abstract art operates by tapping into your subconscious. It's free-association, like looking at clouds and deciding that they look like animals or whatever.
So if you find actual beauty in an abstract piece it's because it contains lines, curves, colors, etc that take your mind to a place of comfort, health, wellness, etc.
It is equally likely that it doesn't evoke anything like that in you, and that you therefore hate it, as most people do.

I can keep going all day

[Anonymous No.11652961]

>>11652951
Coprophilia?

[Anonymous No.11652968]

>>11652961
that's a sexual disturbance.
I think even one of them would agree that they don't appreciate what they do in the same way as they appreciate a sunset.

[Anonymous No.11652979]

my existance, this post is essentially a diary entry since i have no proof that any of you are real and or have concious thought.
i will fade into nothingness one day, but i willknow my death wasnot sad becaue i wont be able to experiance things that break the monotenous pain that is conciousness, but because I as a person I as a conciousness would cease to exist amongst the realm of the non-abstract
my existance is beautiful and only to me, which is fine since nobody else will have this feeling

[Anonymous No.11652994]

>>11652888
Because you fuck it like there's no tomorrow
Just like those trips

[Anonymous No.11653015]

>>11652854
there is no traditional or entrinsic beauty but there is in its simpilicity and historical connotation, also the use of it on this subreddit is that akin of the new sincerity movement, where people shed any pretenciousness and show a true refflection of themselves on the internet and in life

[Anonymous No.11653018]

>>11652894
Improvable claim

[Anonymous No.11653027]

>>11652888
impressionism is the foundation of explaining why things such as the sun are beautiful by implementing deconstructionalism in a aesthetic maner. I would say its beautiful due to its abstract nature, you can never observe the sun with the naked eye nor can you know what it really looks like for yourself without the use of special equipment

[Anonymous No.11653053]

Beauty is splendor of truth

[Anonymous No.11653079]

>>11652979
Based solipsist poster

[Anonymous No.11653087]

>>11652894
That has nothing to do with why I marvel at a sunset.

[Anonymous No.11653102]

>>11652775
I like to believe that Beauty is both objective and undefineable. I have no proof besides intuition, though nobody has much else.

[Anonymous No.11653108]

>>11652775
A gun

[Anonymous No.11653137]

>>11652777
blessed trips of friendship

[Anonymous No.11653171]

>>11653087
*not consciously

[Anonymous No.11653188]

>>11652822
you mean kys before 27.

[Anonymous No.11653206]

>>11653188
By that time you should have at least 3 children in their early childhood, suicide seems pretty ilogical at that point as a provider.

[Anonymous No.11653212]

>>11652888
Pretty colors

[Anonymous No.11653217]

>>11652775
when the world aligns with our subjective anticipation. also thin white women

[Anonymous No.11653277]

That is one fucking lewd painting.

[Anonymous No.11653317]

>>11652778

This, by far.

Also: my wife, the music of Mozart, the plays of Shakespeare, moss covered woods, Mediterranean fishing villages, Sicilian lemon trees, olive trees, felines.

[Anonymous No.11653482]

Beauty is truth, truth beauty, —that is all.
Ye know on earth, and all ye need to know.

[Anonymous No.11653601]

>>11652775
When I die, I want my skull to me the nude hugging tool for beautiful women in the future

[Anonymous No.11653618]

>>11653317
>Absolutely no
>Yes
>Somewhat yes
>No
>No
>No
>No
>NO
2/10 Plebbit tier

[Anonymous No.11653657]

>>11653171
Oh look, another person who doesn't understand what the subconscious or unconscious mind are.

[Anonymous No.11653712]

>>11652775
>titAndSkull.jpg
My favourite combination. Would you mind dropping the source, please?

[Anonymous No.11653740]

I have a half-baked hypothesis that the root of all beauty is order. That what we discern as beautiful is so primarily to the extent that it brings order out of chaos.

The reason different people have different standards of beauty is because people have different standards of order, of organization, in their lives that they're willing to tolerate.

[Anonymous No.11653767]

>>11652775
>>11653317
Anon’s wife is beauty

[Anonymous No.11653907]

>>11653712
Vanitas, by Roberto Ferri.

[Anonymous No.11653999]

>>11653767

I always tell her that she looks just like Audrey Hepburn

[Anonymous No.11654014]

>>11652775
A spook.

[Anonymous No.11654066]

>>11653317
Post pic of your wife.

[Anonymous No.11654086]

>>11654014
Stirner didn't think beauty was a spook though. In fact it was one his largest pleasures.

[Anonymous No.11654128]

>>11652775
How you see yourself, we want to live forever so everything that reminds you of yourself is beautiful.

[Anonymous No.11654154]

>>11654086
>"The ugly, for example, makes a repulsive impression on me; but, determined to love, I master this impression as I do every antipathy."
I interpret this passage as the vanquishing of Beauty (the spook) through which everything must be measured (because it's a sacred thing). He still takes pleasure in 'beautiful' things, but Beauty does not rule him, as he could take likewise pleasure in 'ugly' things and love them all the same.

[Anonymous No.11654204]

>>11652888
Because novelty seeking is a fundentamental drive.

[Anonymous No.11654228]

It's subjective.
I can find the mountain range to be gorgeous and beautiful but someone else might hate it. It completely depends on the person.

[Anonymous No.11654338]

>>11654066

[Anonymous No.11654358]

>>11652775
Stuff you enjoy looking at which doesn't interests you but you want to look anyway. Everything else is pseud talk.

[Anonymous No.11654429]

>>11652775
That which may take our minds off the horrible things that we must do.

[Anonymous No.11654467]

>>11652777
Oh you.

[Anonymous No.11654509]

>>11654358
insipid

[Anonymous No.11654565]

>>11652857
>guilt even when not guilty
I understand the first one, but why is this beautiful?
Maybe responsibility even when youre not responsible would make more sense

[Anonymous No.11654571]

>>11654228
Agreed.

[Anonymous No.11654704]

>>11652775
these testicles

[Anonymous No.11654811]

>>11652894
who let the p-zombies out?

[Anonymous No.11654823]

>>11652951
I think there’s beauty in Munch’s paintings. Where is the wellness?

[Anonymous No.11654985]

>>11654811
I'm not denying consciousness, I'm saying the sense of beauty occurs automatically in the brain, it's the stimulus that arises from observing something which has been evaluated as healthy, fertile, promoting well-being, etc.
>>11654823
pic related for example.
If you're talking about The Scream or stuff like that, it's perhaps an indirect wellness: In acknowledging the despair, he is performing a kind of therapy. He's alleviating some tension.

[Anonymous No.11655030]

Where have all the Platonists gone?

[Anonymous No.11655094]

>>11654985
why do people find certain uninhabitable landscapes beautiful? e.g. mountain ranges, canyons, snowscapes
stargazing? dangerous animals? music? poetry?

[Anonymous No.11655099]

>>11654985
Let me guess, american't ?

[Anonymous No.11655146]

>>11652854
I actually like it. It implies raw, primal, and spontaneous sex. What’s more human and beautiful than that?

[Anonymous No.11655239]

>>11652775
>What is Beauty?
Skin deep.

[Anonymous No.11655271]

>>11653018
Look into sungazing

[Anonymous No.11655280]

>>11652775
Something that is pleasing in and of itself.

[Anonymous No.11655510]

>>11654985
There are people who gain a sense of beauty out of grotesque and tragic things. How do you reconcile those things as "fertile, promoting well-being"?

[Anonymous No.11655607]

>>11653740
I agree with your post within this thread thus far. Also: >>11655280


>>11653712
>>11653907
And a good Catholic Artist. He has some great quasi-surreal works. Pic related.

>>11654429
If you haven't, read Schopenhauer.

>>11655030
They have become fallen Aristotelians.

[Anonymous No.11655608]

>>11655094
>mountain ranges, canyons
I'd call these awe-inspiring, not beautiful.
>snowscape
snow is soft, good to rest upon. It's also edible.
>stargazing
lights in the sky like the sun, like fire. Things that emit light can promote our well-being and are also awe-inspiring.
>dangerous animals?
fur and fur, for warming yourself up, meat
>music? poetry?
(when they are beautiful) are representations of these other things I'm describing.
>>11655099
nah
>>11655510
>sense of beauty out of grotesque and tragic things
that's exactly what we call a perversion. That's essentially what the word means, having an abnormal response to stimulus. Like coprophilia which someone mentioned already.

I can keep going ALL day.
And not all stimuli that give you pleasure in some way are "beautiful" folks. You're conflating things.
I really think this survival-oriented definition is the one that fits the largest part of the use-cases.

[Anonymous No.11655615]

>>11655608
fur and leather*

[Anonymous No.11655618]

>>11655608
>that's exactly what we call a perversion.
Greek tragedies are some of the most aesthetic stories ever told. Your answer is completely insufficient.

[Anonymous No.11655657]

>>11654985>>11655618

[Anonymous No.11655679]

>>11655657
It's not just "alleviating tension." It's direct pleasure.

[Anonymous No.11655797]

>>11655679
I disagree.
There is a reason It took until a sophisticated culture such as Greece for tragedy to emerge. A simpler culture might have thought it pointless or sadist to tell sad stories. But within the context of Greek life tragedies were a positive thing. Maybe therapy on the individual level is too simplistic to explain this, but something like a macro-scale therapy. That our culture should be able to discuss the tragedies of life even in a completely formal setting confirms something about our social stability. We're confident people aren't going to go home and kill themselves after the show. Overall it's a positive reinforcement.

[Anonymous No.11655856]

>>11652775
it's a word.

[Anonymous No.11655893]

>>11655797
>Maybe therapy on the individual level is too simplistic to explain this, but something like a macro-scale therapy.
That's fine if that's you're stance, but I have to agree with Nietzsche on this, who was against the idea that tragedy's value was in catharsis.

http://webpages.uidaho.edu/engl257/Classical/tragedy_as_catharsis.htm

> Nietzsche argued that we enter the tragic not to free ourselves from it but to celebrate it as a necessary element of the human experience: "The psychology of the orgiastic as an overflowing feeling of life and strength, where even pain still has the effect of a stimulus, gave me the key to the concept of tragic feeling, which had been misunderstood both by Aristotle and even more by modern pessimists... Saying Yes to life even in its strangest and most painful episodes, the will to life rejoicing in its own inexhaustible vitality even as it witnesses the destruction of its greatest heroes — that is what I called Dionysian, that is what I guessed to be the bridge to the psychology of the tragic poet. Not in order to be liberated from terror and pity, not in order to purge oneself of a dangerous affect by its vehement discharge — which is how Aristotle understood tragedy — but in order to celebrate oneself the eternal joy of becoming, beyond all terror and pity — that tragic joy included even joy in destruction"

Nietzsche's basic stance was that human beings are cruel and we derive pleasure from the tragic because of this. So, you could say that a simpler culture might find tragedy pointless, whereas a higher culture doesn't, and Nietzsche would reply that that is because cruelty has become spiritualized in the higher culture and thus we seek to manifest it in our art. It has a cathartic effect for many as well, which is how it receives its blessing from the politicians and society's gatekeepers in general, but that is not why the artists and the aestheticians enjoy tragedy.

[Anonymous No.11655987]

>>11655893
he is wrong.

[Anonymous No.11656002]

>>11655987
I know he is right because I share his aesthetic sensibility. But I understand why you would think he's wrong.

[Anonymous No.11656004]

>>11655030
Beauty is the silence of the form of life amidst monstrous creation. Just as Aphrodite is the first of the Gods, born of the conflict of the Primordial and the Titanic, within the raining blood of Uranus; just as the sea of foam courses through the forest threatening to consume the Nymphs through desecration of their Oath - Beauty is the kairos of necessity within doom. Beauty gives all of itself within its being taken, within its want of everything, just as the great sea consumes itself as its own consuming force - and so lives on in its crystallising escape. The dead sea grasps at the trunk of the ash as the nymph closes its bark tight. And it is the tiniest and most fragile of forms, naked amidst that bleak red foam - only the delicate contours of a shell protect Her feet from the lapping death. Life emerges in the violence of occlusion, in the dead sea which cannot engorge the world column blossoming from within. And so the World Ocean breaches its banks, and the blood now land takes flight into the forest, bearing only what it might. And through Her the World Ocean returns to its icy blue sway.

[Anonymous No.11656005]

>>11655893
I don't see the separation between catharsis and acceptance in the same way.
To you one is the delight of the brainlets while the other is the mark of the enlightened, cultured man.
I think acceptance is the end goal of the therapy process that I was describing. One springs from the other.
As children we cry at the cruelty of the world, but through catharsis we can learn to embrace the world even with all it's cruelty. Without it we become embittered and can never achieve that state.

[Anonymous No.11656009]

Asscheeks is beauty

[Anonymous No.11656038]

>>11655608
Except you can't prove that this is why people find those things beautiful.

[Anonymous No.11656050]

>>11656005
Acceptance is not the same as celebration. In celebration, we not only accept and honor, but we also rejoice in it and passionately beckon its recurrence.

[Anonymous No.11656059]

>>11656038
what's a provable, falsifiable answer to the question "what is beauty?"
>>11656050
Ok. I used it to mean something closer to your definition of celebration. Are we basically in agreement?

[Anonymous No.11656091]

>>11656059
If you're talking about what I'm talking about, then you HAVE to see the distinction between this celebration and catharsis. The one who celebrates does not have to be possessed by strong emotions that wish to be purged in order to celebrate. The celebrator does not seek any emotional purging whatsoever; he seeks emotional eternity and the establishment of ritual. He is cool and calculated compared to someone seeking catharsis. The person who enjoys tragedy merely for its cathartic effect is ultimately just repressed and would never come to the philosophical conclusion that tragic cruelty is an essential part of life.

[Anonymous No.11656093]

>>11655608
>>dangerous animals?
>fur and fur, for warming yourself up, meat
cows are usually considered way less beautiful than tigers and lions, but they shouldn't be, by your logic

[Anonymous No.11656124]

>>11656059
I don't think there really is one unless you pre-suppose something or another, but that's not an answer, is it? My actual belief is that God created Beauty for us to see and know His greatness, or something those lines. Basically as a way for people to come to God.

[Anonymous No.11656142]

>>11652870
>It's a joyous way to express sex for the fun of it.
>sex for the fun of it

[Anonymous No.11656146]

>>11656091
yes, they are distinct. I was explaining that there is a process. One is not born capable of celebrating tragedy.
> The one who celebrates does not have to be possessed by strong emotions
any longer.
>The celebrator does not seek any emotional purging whatsoever
Because he already purged it all, he's past that stage.

>>11656093
Dangerous animals are also awe-inspiring. The sum of the two effects (big fluffy kitty / 200 million years of evolutionary refinement in the art of murder) is usually larger.
that being said, I knew a girl who loved cows and drew them on everything.

>>11656124
Except you can't prove that— you know what? nevermind.

[Anonymous No.11656177]

>>11656146
I know it can't be proven using argumentation, but through exprience I believe it can. You or some anon just seems so certain that Beauty IS a sign of health or well-being instead of something else. Sure you can start off from that supposition, but many of your answers are stretches and don't satisfy the intuition.

[Anonymous No.11656196]

I really think beauty bootstrapped itself into existence just by being what it is in this godless thermodynamic bubble

[Anonymous No.11656214]

>>11656146
>Because he already purged it all, he's past that stage.
I agree with that. I'm not sure I agree with your view on the end state though. I wouldn't describe it as "learning to embrace the world even with all its cruelty" — because that sounds as if one is distant from the world. Rather, the celebrator finds pleasure in cruelty; he discovers himself in the world, he himself is cruel and makes the world cruel and celebrates that.

[Anonymous No.11656233]

>>11656177
> Beauty IS a sign of health or well-being
that's not my exact wording.
what I meant is that the phenomena that best fit the majority of the usage of the word beauty are phenomena associated with survival, comfort, well-being, etc.
with a little bit of differentiation, like separating the awe-inspiritng from the beautiful and culling all the perverted views on beauty, we get a really solid definition.
So I'm not working from the conclusion, the ease of adjustment in the language is what "proves" that this is a good definition for the word.

>>11656214
>That's a very negative, very Nietzschean take on all of this. The world isn't only cruelty. It's also beauty, love, etc. And embracing the cruelty of the world doesn't mean one has to actively perpetrate it themselves.

[Anonymous No.11656256]

>>11656233
Inclusion isn't negative and it's not a genuine embrace if you have to set up a boundary between it and yourself.

[Anonymous No.11656262]

Something is beautiful if it is a pleasure to contemplate it, in its form, for its own sake.

[Anonymous No.11656302]

>>11656256
not the mere inclusion, but your attitude. your outlook.
And I'm not setting up a boundary. We inevitably commit cruelties, but that's not the same as ACTIVELY perpetrating it, as I said.

>>11656262
right, it's in the eye of the beholder.
my definition actually gives us objective things in the world that we can determine to be beautiful. That was the goal.
I think a better way to go about it, linguistically, is instead of putting the adjective on the object, just describe the experience, since we already acknowledged that the phenomenon takes place on the subject (the eyes of the beholder).
So instead of saying "that's beautiful" (and opening yourself up to disagreements from others) just say "I really like the way this looks" or something like that.

[Anonymous No.11656318]

>>11656233
I'm talking about this >>11652795 and this >>11652822. I don't think you can seperate beauty and awe all the time either. Is a snowy mountain peak beautiful? Many would agree. I think they'd also agree it is awe-inspiring, but I doubt they'd agree if you said they were wrong, and that it is only awe mistaken for beauty. I think it is both. An example of awe without beauty might be a large predator, like a crocodile. I just don't buy that beauty is something constrained to the healthy or well-being or comforting per se. I think Beauty is something aesthetically pleasing or indicative of an overarching order, like the balance of nature or mathematics.

[Anonymous No.11656319]

>>11656302
>not believing in objective beauty

[Anonymous No.11656320]

>>11656302
You can like the way something looks in many ways. Liking the way it looks in respect of its beauty is admiring its *form*. Beauty is the intelligibility of a thing, which can be intrinsic (i.e., in nature) or artificial (i.e., with artifacts)

[Anonymous No.11656321]

>>11656302
Active perpetration (and ETERNAL active perpretation, in fact) is the goal of the celebrator and the purpose of the establishment of ritual.

>We inevitably commit cruelties
This implies that committing cruelties is something done *to* you, not done out of your own accord. This isn't a celebratory sentiment at all. If you don't want it yourself, you aren't celebrating anything.

[Anonymous No.11656338]

[Anonymous No.11656424]

>>11656318
Yes, that first one is my first post. I really don't think you've refuted my points.
I talked about snow already,
>I doubt they'd agree
no, they wouldn't, but then again, I'm setting up a fairly nuanced definition for the word. In general, people aren't very rigorous about their definitions, so naturally they would take the correction as an affront.
> that beauty is something constrained
Not what I'm trying to say. read >>11656233 again.
>an overarching order, like the balance of nature or mathematics.
In broad stroked, order is good for your well-being, while chaos is not, so, still, you reinforce my point while trying to refute it.

>>11656319
words is just words, my man.

>>11656321
no no... we're getting into a whole other field.
>This implies that committing cruelties is something done *to* you
this isn't true because of my take on the notion of agency.
It is practically inevitable that at some point in our lives we all feel like committing some cruel act and then go through with it. That doesn't mean we don't have a choice.
I'm talking about the concept of samsara, if you haven't caught on yet.

[Anonymous No.11656446]

Beauty is insanity, irrationality, and ignorance. The opposite of cold science.

[Anonymous No.11656454]

>>11656424
Your definition isn't convincing or helpful though. I don't feel comfort when enjoying a painting or a landscape, nor a mountain peak or the smoky red sunrise. These things do not benefit me directly besides my enjoyment of their inherent beauty. Beauty is seperated from other words like furtive or nourishing because the word is relating something different from those things, although they may be related.

[Anonymous No.11656456]

>>11656446
Imagine being this blinded by nihilism.

[Anonymous No.11656579]

>>11656424
>That doesn't mean we don't have a choice.
We do have a choice, however:

>Examine the lives of the best and more fruitful men and peoples, and ask yourselves whether a tree, if it is to grow proudly into the sky, can do without bad weather and storms: whether unkindness and opposition from without, whether some sort of hatred, envy, obstinacy, mistrust, severity, greed and violence do not belong to the favouring circumstances without which a great increase even in virtue is hardly possible. The poison which destroys the weaker nature strengthens the stronger – and he does not call it poison, either. (Nietzsche)

To choose to never choose destruction is a denial of life.

[Anonymous No.11657243]

>>11652885
What a load of shit, you've just defined the current mental state of the west and look how that's going. Admitting guilt when not guilty is cuckdom, not beauty

[Anonymous No.11657419]

health
that which leads to health
that which encourages health
that which embodies health
that which enables health

[Anonymous No.11657454]

>>11657419
nice tits bitch

[Anonymous No.11657480]

>>11652795
>>11657419
why do so many people find beksinski's paintings beautiful?

[Anonymous No.11657500]

>>11657480
Obscure tastes developed over time, akin to a spice fanatic requiring increasing amounts of spice for the same kick.

[Anonymous No.11657501]

>>11657419
While this is true, the people who say it usually think there is an objective standard of beauty and that any outliers are "perversions" like this guy >>11655608 even though that's a load of bullshit. The human is more complex than that.

[Anonymous No.11657513]

>>11652775
A spook

[Anonymous No.11657520]

https://youtu.be/xkSG9wrFPCQ

[Anonymous No.11657528]

>>11657480
because they are spooky lads with morbid and unhealthy fixations

[Anonymous No.11657532]

>>11657513
What would stirner say about getting memed into costanza?

[Anonymous No.11657583]

>>11657500
so it is possible that beauty can be unrelated to health

[Anonymous No.11657764]

>>11657480
As a sadist, helps capture/crystallize decades old pain, rooted in mental disorder and genuine tragedy. I gave up cutting years ago, its my heroin

Goya is great too

[Anonymous No.11657774]

>>11657532
He'd probably say memes are a spook

[Anonymous No.11657782]

Beauty is a truck stop hooker sweaty with the July sun.

[Anonymous No.11657795]

>>11652780
No I understand this, your mother concieved you and is entitled into recognizing the beauty of you growing inside of her and the nuturing post-womb. My mum calls me beautiful whenever she sees me in formal attite but it's not on my appreance rather that we survived. It is a sweet notion though.. motherhood can be very nice

[Anonymous No.11658456]

>>11657480
They are tasteless nerds who have listened to way too much black metal.

[Anonymous No.11658475]

>>11655146
no it just reminds you of the type of people that think that, and they are rarely beautiful

[Anonymous No.11658478]

[Anonymous No.11658484]

Where are the Kantians of this board?

[Anonymous No.11658485]

>>11652775
Mishima bringing in the redpill.

[Anonymous No.11658574]

>>11652805
>not eating out your woman

[Anonymous No.11659000]

>>11657480
The macabre and the grotesque produce a healthy effect on those who are strong enough to be inquisitive even where life is at its darkest.

[Anonymous No.11659038]

>>11658484
Like anyone here has read the Critique of Judgement. This board is in decline.
Heck, it's the only critique I have by Kant, and it's just gathering dust on my shelf.

[Anonymous No.11659067]

>>11652775
it describes a relationship between the senses and feelings caused by them. usually, people will say "beautiful" when their expectations are met or exceeded.

[Anonymous No.11659076]

>>11659038
The introduction of the Critique of Judgement is so difficult that I was always discouraged to read it. But the trick here is to skip it and read it at the end, after having read the whole book. Then it all made sense. Hegel's Phenomenology of the Spirit is the same.

[Anonymous No.11659082]

>>11659067
as such, it is an internal manifestation of intangibles in the physical world

[Anonymous No.11659157]

>>11659082
There's nothing intangible about dreams. It's just easy to get the impression that they are due to how we reflect on them.

[Anonymous No.11659180]

>>11659157
i am surrounded by brainlets. where did everyone go? some new place?

[Anonymous No.11659198]

>>11659180
>just follow your dreams bro hahaha

[Anonymous No.11659202]

>>11659198
lit is dead

[Anonymous No.11659211]

>>11659180
There's other philosophers besides Kant, you know. Unlike most posters on this board these days, I've been here since the board's inception and actually do read shit.

Nietzsche from Human, All Too Human:

>Everyone knows from experience how quickly a dreamer entwines with his dream a sound that strongly impinges upon him from without, the ringing of bells or the firing of cannon, for example; that is to say, he accounts for the sound in terms of the dream, so that he believes he experiences the cause of the sound first, then the sound itself.

>As Democritus transferred the concepts Above and Below to infinite space, where they make no sense, so philosophers in general transfer the concept “inner and outer” to the essence and phenomena of the world; they believe that profound feelings take one deep into the interior, close to the heart of nature. But such feelings are profound only insofar as when they occur certain complex groups of thoughts which we call profound are, scarcely perceptibly, regularly aroused with them; a feeling is profound because we regard the thoughts that accompany it as profound. But a profound thought can nonetheless be very distant from the truth, as, for example, every metaphysical thought is; if one deducts from the profound feeling the element of thought mixed in with it, what remains is the strong feeling, and this has nothing to do with knowledge as such, just as strong belief demonstrates only its strength, not the truth of that which is believed.

>>It is true that there might be a metaphysical world; the absolute possibility of it is hardly to be disputed. We look at everything through the human head and cannot cut this head off; while the question remains, What would be left of the world if it had been cut off? This is a purely scientific problem, and one not very likely to trouble mankind; but everything which has hitherto made metaphysical suppositions valuable, terrible, delightful for man, what has produced them, is passion, error, and self-deception; the very worst methods of knowledge, not the best, have taught belief therein.

[Anonymous No.11659278]

>>11652872
Gratitude is a much better source of humility than guilt. Guilt does not really make you humble, just neurotic.

[Anonymous No.11659413]

>>11659211
what an odd quote to pick though. i mean i agree with it. but it doesn't talk about beauty, the senses or feelings. it's about our relationship with the world, and the reality of our own concepts of it.

[Anonymous No.11659527]

>>11659413
It wasn't meant to address the thread topic directly but your statement about "an internal manifestation of intangibles," which does indirectly tie into the thread topic. Ultimately, I consider the idea that concepts, beauty or any other, have a source either in the "internal" (i.e. the mind) or the "external" (i.e. the objective) to be incomplete. The source of a concept is both of those things, because those things aren't really separate; upon their reflection we mistakenly divide those into separate things.

[Anonymous No.11659593]

>>11659527
>we mistakenly divide those into separate things
i can live with that interpretation, or even keep it ambiguous. beauty still is a relationship between that which we call mind and the physical world as perceived through senses. wherever the mind may be.

do you personally believe all of the mind to be in physical realm?

you're pointing out that beauty itself may not necessarily be "internal". i haven't thought about it that way yet. but i would think it is an emergent property of the mind. beauty does require perception, and it clearly is a relationship.