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Knowledge is the Greatest Treasure Edition
>last rarely talked about sff book read
>what was it about
>try to shill it to others

FANTASY
Selected:
>https://imgoat.com/uploads/0935e4cd59/105363.jpg
General:
>https://imgoat.com/uploads/6d767d2f8e/21328.jpg
Flowchart:
>https://imgoat.com/uploads/6d767d2f8e/21327.jpg

SCIENCE FICTION
Selected:
>https://imgoat.com/uploads/def184ad8f/124507.jpg
>https://imgoat.com/uploads/b44928ae11/114401.jpg
General:
>https://imgoat.com/uploads/6d767d2f8e/21332.jpg
>https://imgoat.com/uploads/6d767d2f8e/21330.jpg

NPR's Top 100 Science Fiction & Fantasy Books:
>https://imgoat.com/uploads/6d767d2f8e/21333.jpg

SF&F author listing with ratings and summaries:
>http://greatsfandf.com/authors-full-list.php

Previous threads:
>>11665452
>>11659336
>>11643333
>>11631963
>>11609531

>> No.11676495

first for sanderfag a hack

>> No.11676496
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>>11676482
>last rarely talked about sff book read
The Challenge From Beyond.
>what was it about
A round robin involving some pulp writers from the early 20th century.
>try to shill it to others

It has H.P. Lovecraft doing his usual spiel of ancient history and aliens and horror stuff, putting the main character into a terrifying eldritch alien body... and then Robert E. Howard takes over and the guy's just like "What the fuck, this is awesome."

Enough said, I hope.

>> No.11676509

>>11676482
Just bought The Illustrated Man by Ray Bradbury, it's okay so far. The first story didn't have much of an ending, but the next few I've gotten to are good. Can't wait to see how it connects to the fat man baby

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Last thread before we finish!

>> No.11676556

>Fantasy book
>Protagonist and his pals just decide to ramsack everything for loot and receive no repercussions for it
>The book is shit because of this
>Fantasy video game
>Same thing happens
>Haha, video games are so great!

>> No.11676567

>>11676556
I can't name a book where that happens.

Oh, wait, yes I can. Odyssey.

>> No.11676611

>>11676567
Literally every greek myth.

>Perseus
>behead Medusa for shits and giggles
>go home and turn the evil tyrant to stone - collateral damage, everyone present

>Jason
>don't do shit himself, qt3.14 magician fight every battle for him and solve every problem
>leave her in favour for some random princess, brag to her how he convinced the king not to kill her
>exile her

>> No.11676623
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11676623

*dabs on Lady*

>> No.11676634

>>11676447
Well they kidnapped him, stuffed him in a box and flogged him for a start.

>> No.11676645

>>11676634
If you wouldn't kill a man for some reason, then you shouldn't kill a woman under the same circumstances. Otherwise you're sexist.

>> No.11676655

>>11676645
But he would kill a man for that.

>> No.11676676
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>>11676482
>>11676623
https://www.strawpoll.me/16320963
https://www.strawpoll.me/16320963
https://www.strawpoll.me/16320963

vote faggets

>> No.11676677
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>>11676556
Video games are just boring now. Haven't bothered playing one since 11th grade.

>> No.11676688

>>11676676
They're both shit.

>> No.11676766

>>11676677
They're just glorified timerwasters for me now. Only good for when you have nothing better to do while listening to a podcast.

>> No.11676774

>>11676766
Why won't you read a book?

>> No.11676779

>>11676774
Read a book while listening to a podcast? Video games are easy to turn your brain off to and go on autopilot while listening to something. With books you're either putting focus into reading or focusing on listening.

>> No.11676792

>>11676779
I mean, if you can turn your brain off while playing SimCity, System Shock, Morrowind, or Sunless Sea, then you might as well drop the pretenses and just read a book.

>> No.11676806

>>11676792
Pretenses of what? I'm failing to see what you're getting at.

>> No.11676851
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11676851

>>11676677
You're old enough now that you're starting to realize the "fun" of video games is just artificial challenges that require you to achieve a certain level of artificial skill to over come in order to get your "fun" (illusion of achieving something).

Not trying to be that guy, but there's a reason people consider them a waste of time. And that's it.

>> No.11676856 [DELETED] 

>>/v/

>> No.11676860

>>>/v/

>> No.11676991
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11676991

>>11676688
t. Stormbringer

>> No.11677025

>>11676851
>pretends "artificial" is negative when he's sitting in a general about books taking place in artificial worlds

>> No.11677034

>>11677025
>Being fake is what I said was why he's falling out of video games
Nice reading comprehension.

>> No.11677064

>>11677025
>>11677034
Maybe just shut the fuck up about video games.

>> No.11677105

Sanderson is living the dream. You're all just jealous.

>> No.11677108

>>11677105
I'm a little bit jealous, but I also wish that someone actually worthwhile could be famous sometimes, rather than all these fucking hacks.

>> No.11677119

>>11677064
Based and Redpilled

>> No.11677124

>Rand STILL won't kill women
Don't think this semen slurping series is for me

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>>11676482
I just got back from Barnes and Noble. What do you think about my haul?

>> No.11677129

>>11677124
Yeah, I mean, I don't think he would've gotten another book out since the last time you said this.

>> No.11677130

>>11677108
I admire his ability to create unique worlds, magic systems, and pump out book after book.

>> No.11677131
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11677131

I must not Mary Sue.
Mary Sue is the story-killer.
Mary Sue is the little-hack that breaks total verisimilitude.
I will face my inability to write flawed protagonists.
I will permit it to pass over me and through me.
And when it has gone past I will turn the inner eye to see its path.
Where the Mary Sue has gone there will be emotional self-validation. Only Paul Atreides will remain.

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11677132

Thought's on the Wardstone series? I remember reading the first 3 tomes 10 years ago and loving them. Is it worth finishing?

>> No.11677137

>>11677128
The only thing worse than a video game is a video game adapted into a novel.

>> No.11677138

>>11677128
There's only two good books there.

>> No.11677139

>>11677105
>living the dream
>fat
>only one wife

>> No.11677146
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>>11677139
>wife didn't take his last name
divorce worthy

>> No.11677167

Thread is boring and premature

>> No.11677171

>>11677167
And this is different from all other /sffg/ threads...?

>> No.11677175
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Okay, I stalled out on WoT at book six, but Im going to finish the series if it kills me. So I listening to the audiobook from the beginning to refresh me. My question is (with as few spoilers as can be managed) how much did sanderson screw up the ending? I didn't worry to much when I started because I didn't read much of him. Now Im really worried knowing how mediocre he is.

>> No.11677178

If Greg Bear is such a renowned author, why the hell is he writing Halo novels?

>> No.11677183

>>11677178
Because sci fi is a fucking dead genre and he has bills to pay

>> No.11677230

>>11677130
I first admired him for writing a book with an ending, but the book-after-book thing is really hurting the quality. Last two I read were just terrible. Not sure I'll read him anymore.

>> No.11677270

>>11677132
I thought the first one was fantastic. Great setting, creepy atmosphere and putting witches in a pit is far more horrifying than just hunting and killing them. Seemed to go on a treadmill some books down the line and I dropped it. Though now I see that the series is complete I might give it a go.

>> No.11677280

>>11677175
I've seen people bitch about it and I've seen people defend it. It seemed fine to me, honestly the series was treading water pretty heavily when he took over anyway and I'm just glad it finished. I could write this really big list of everything I'm not satisfied with but who really gives a shit?

>> No.11677285

>>11677128
I see only two books that aren't categorically garbage. I've read one of them, and the other looks worth a try.

>> No.11677290

>>11677175
I've heard people say that the final book is the best and from the 7th to when Sanderson took over are the worst, I'm not that far along yet.

>> No.11677306

>>11677128
Some 40k stuff is actually kinda passable-ish. Abnett, mostly.

>> No.11677312

>>11677183
He could always write for a show or a vidya

>> No.11677341

How long until the "fuck video games" meme dies off and we get another shitty meme to replace it?

>> No.11677346

>>11677341
"fuck video games" never dies, because video games really are objectively terrible.

>> No.11677355

>>11677346
/v/ here, can confirm.

>> No.11677362

>>11677341
The only good meme this place has produced was magna cum

>> No.11677365

Is Branderson a stealth atheist? I get the impression from his novels that he doesn't believe Mormonism is literally true.

>> No.11677371

>>11676550
pretty excited to finally talk about this and vote for a new book.

REMEMBER VOTE
>"A NIGHT IN THE LONESOME OCTOBER"
this coming election thread!

>> No.11677372

>>11677365
I hope not. Him being a mormon is adorable.

>> No.11677389

>>11676482
i shill a young adult, female authored, female protagonist centered book called graceling ever now and then because i remember it being pretty fucking good when i read it in middle school. no one talks about it and id like to know how it holds up for people out of high school

>>11677138
>>11677285
im going to guess blood of elves and infinity war?
>>11677365
lmao no, he's a mormon to the end. he's certainly had athiest thoughts in his life though. you can tell with his arguments he makes in his shallan chapters that he's thought a lot about athiesm. but its sort of rendered void and null when he just shows us God at the end of the book. which was really fucking bad. not because there IS a god or anything, but just the way he went about it was bad

>> No.11677391

>>11677389
Comic books aren't books.

>> No.11677405

Can we start reporting the people who try to bait with Sanderson, Hugos, "wings" or memes?
They add nothing of value to the thread, and just take up post count space. I am fed up of reading the same posts over and over again. They don't even try something different, it's the SAME shit from the last thread.

>> No.11677444

>>11677405
its almost like you're on a toxic internet chatboard centered around science fiction and fantasy

>> No.11677470

>>11677405
Don't be such a babby.

>> No.11677487

>>11677405
ah bloo bloo bloo

>> No.11677491

>>11677444
>myrkyllinen
Voisko toi meemu kuolla jo?

>> No.11677512

>>11677491
Go get some sleep, Juho, you're drunk.

>> No.11677521

>>11677491
What percentage Finnish males between the age of 15 and 25 post on this site?

>> No.11677554

I'm getting Book of the New Sun, Genocidal Organ, and Harmony. What am I in for, lads?

>> No.11677671
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anybody tried this?

>> No.11677681

>>11677306
Night Lords trilogy was the best 40k stuff I read by quite a large margin.

>> No.11677691

>>11677671
Yea, I liked it.

>> No.11677692

>>11677405
Maybe there's another site out there for you.

>> No.11677701

>>11676766
asseto corsa is good for this. endless laps.

>> No.11677725

Why's writing believable character development so hard? It's why bildungsroman and coming of age stories are what grip me the most but it's so hard to find a good one.

>> No.11677732

>[Innkeeper Class Obtained!]
>[Innkeeper Level 1!]
>[Skill – Basic Cleaning obtained!]
>[Skill – Basic Cooking obtained!]

Here we go bros

>> No.11677754

>>11677732
I will never understand how these types of stories became popular. Just play a fucking rpg. What's the appeal of this?

>> No.11677757

>>11677754
i don't get it either, how's it different from forgotten realms books or whatever?

>> No.11677760

>>11677691
alright I'll try it. Don't think I've read a woman's attempt at GRIMDARK before.

>> No.11677772

>>11677760
Well there is a shitty self-insert romance and 1 and a half of the pov characters are homos, but aside from that you'll hardly notice.

>> No.11677775

>>11677754
>Erin brushed dust off her pants and t-shirt in disgust. Well, her clothes were officially dirty now. Parts of her t-shirt were burned black, and her jeans had been cut by the Goblin’s knives. But that wasn’t important at the moment.
>“Did I just level up?”

I blame SAO for this shit.

>> No.11677779

>>11677732
>>11677754
>anon finds something he enjoys
>do this other thing which is cosmetically similar instead.

>> No.11677780
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11677780

Reading this right now just got to Hackworth's adventure in Vancouver and the Drummer society what the fuck is this why is there an orgy and human sacrifice and dick lightsabers

>> No.11677803

>>11677780
thanks for reminding me about how far off the rails that book went.

>> No.11677833

>>11677754
>>11677775

Behold the pathos of modern man! Exhausted and beaten down by the capitalist grind, his power fantasies are themselves reduced to simply reading about somebody playing a video game instead of playing them himself!

>> No.11677847

>>11677803
I'm enjoying a certain parts of it, but damn if all the stories of Nell in the fairy tale ractive keeps going I'm gonna be annoyed. It just feels like a really heavy-handed metaphors

>> No.11677849

>>11677833
still better than watching twitch

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>>11677833
>Jack Half-a-Prayer intensifies

>> No.11677874

I wrote a 12k word scifi romance about a tomboyish space pilot who has the hots for her wanna-be Casanova co-pilot who is not so secretly in love with her. I just finished a 17k word fantasy romance about a young knight and a tsundere warrior princess teaming up to save the world. The next one will be about superheroes. I enjoy writing the romance more than the action.

>> No.11677875

>>11677869
new bas-lag when?

>> No.11677883

>>11677875
This Census Taker could arguably be set there

>> No.11677885

>>11677869
Should I start with Perdido or The Scar?

>> No.11677891
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11677891

Reminder that genre fiction is contributing to the continued decay of literature and you should stop consuming it.

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>>11677869
Why does he hate him?

>> No.11677893

>>11677175
I thought Sanderson did find at finally getting the plot moving again and ending the series. Then again, I read books 1-10 when I was a young teenager and just caught the rest as they came out, so I probably had shit taste back then.

>> No.11677894

>>11677891
I don't give a fuck about literature.

>> No.11677898

>>11677885
it's not crucial but there is a vague chronology so all things being equal start with perdido.

>> No.11677906

>>11677892
Same reasons as Moorcock basically, thinks the idea of defending old monarchies, every member of a race sharing roughly the same characteristics, goodness being equated with "tall" and "fair" is cryto-fascist in some way, or at least reactionary (which doesn't really check out with Tolkien's expressed hatred for the Nazis at the time, but death of the author and all that)

>> No.11677921

>>11677906
Gee it's like leftshits are retarded or something.

>> No.11677924

>>11677906
>Moorcock
I've never read him, but I thought he was based.

>> No.11677928

>>11677906
Just because someone isn't a Nazi doesn't mean they aren't a white supremacist fascist. Nazis are just the extreme end point, there is so many levels before it.

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11677965

>tolkien will never blow the whistle and force you out of the trenches at the point of a Webley revolver

>> No.11678001
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11678001

what do you think Jasnah's pussy taste like?

>> No.11678022

>>11678001
pg tips 2 sugars no milk

>> No.11678028

>>11678001
>Her name is pronounced pronounced with a y and not a j

Fuck Sanderson and his medieval black asians with yugioh hair

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11678039

Just finished picrel. Fuckin, pretty good. rec me something to get me through the weekend

>> No.11678049

>>11678039
A black man vouched for it's quality therefore I cannot read it.

>> No.11678077

>>11677894
Then you are beyond hope.

>> No.11678079

>>11677924
>but I thought he was based.
You thought wrong.

>> No.11678358

>>11677681
yep, and I thought most dan abnett novels were actually lacking. his comics are way better (Annihilation: Conquest for example)

>> No.11678546
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11678546

Does historical fiction count as fantasy?

>> No.11678661

Any fantasy with a female warrior done well?

>> No.11678766

Is there any military scifi with a similar premise of Stargate where a weak planet takes on someone much stronger and slowly but surely pound them into complete submission?
Bonus points if they use real weapons.

>> No.11678860

>>11677128
Absolute shit, except All Quiet it looks like something a 15 year old would buy.

>> No.11678868

>>11677175
It's quite a jarring change. For one, he did not try to imitate Jordans writing and it's very noticeable.

>> No.11678880

>>11677554
>Book of the New Sun
Something unique.

>> No.11678892

>>11678661
Unironically ASoIaF.

>> No.11678899

Finished Malazan recently. Feel like the story was just a waste of time. Anyone else not impressed by it?

>> No.11678901

>>11678892
>muh renly
Fuck off

>> No.11678911

>>11678901
>implying it's strange that she's obsessing over the only person who was nice to her

>> No.11678926

>>11678911
Her dad was nice to her, she took advantage of it and betrayed him.

>> No.11678930

>>11678901
>>11678911
>>11678926
Is any of that relevant to "female warrior done well" part, though? Her combat ability, what she had to and has to endure to acquire it, and the people's reactions to it, are all done realistically enough.

>> No.11678938

>>11678930
Fair point

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>>11677521
Just me. I am alone. You know only me by name, and therefore all Finns or Finnish spoken here is attributed to me.

I am one. I am all. Fear me (when I'm not drunk).

>> No.11678969

>>11678766
have you read ender's game?
also, its a comic book but thats a similar premise to tom king's omega men

>> No.11678972

>>11678546
I'm about a quarter of the way through In The Name of the Rose and it's really good.

Only other historical fiction I've read has been the Gaius Petreius Ruso series, basically murder mysteries about a Roman doctor. And the Billy Boyle series, about a Irish-American police detective who ends up investigating crimes for the US Army in WW2.

>>11678661
Deed of Paksenarrion. Good series about a young woman running away from home to join a mercenary company in your typical high-fantasy setting. The second and third books are about her becoming a paladin and then recovering from PTSD resulting from some bad shit that happens.

Author was in the USMC before she started writing, so it feels fairly authentic.

>>11678766
Timothy Zahn's Blackcollars. Humanity has been conquered, and their only hope for freedom is a team of badass ninjas.

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I want Takeshi Kovacs to enter the Ninefox Gambit universe and just go to town. Show those annoying pieces of shit what's what.

>> No.11679166

>>11677928
Nazis weren't even "pro white" in a sense of all white people.

>> No.11679170

>>11678028
>medieval black asians with yugioh hair
Dropped before reading it.

>> No.11679235

>tfw it's been almost 2k chapters since your xanxia mc stole a maidens virtue

I don't want to live on this cruel world any longer.

>> No.11679571

>>11678039
Peter Watt's new book is pretty good

Also Cixin has some brand new shit on the horizon for later next year, if you didn't know Ball Lightning was actually written before 3BP but only just translated.

>> No.11679644

>>11678899
If you didn't like any of it why did you keep reading until the end?

>> No.11679651

>>11678039
>Barack Obama quote on cover
Do they realize that they're alienating half of their potential customers?

>> No.11679661

>>11679651
>and that's a good thing!

>> No.11679670

>>11678546
If something's well researched I wouldn't say so but then again some stuff like Cornwell's Uhtred books are so elemental they might as well be heroic low fantasy.

>> No.11679733

>>11678039
Recommend you reread the rest of TBP

>> No.11679734

>>11679651
>rednecks
>reading

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11679739

>Even redditors know video games are shit for story telling
ouch

>> No.11679753

>>11679739
>Portal
>Good storytelling

it really says a lot when "Evil AIs quip like marvel movies while mentally retarded korean girl solves arbitrary test chambers: the video game" is one of the "best" vidya has to offer.

>> No.11679760

>>11679739
>>11679753
Don't you have anything better to do?

>> No.11679768

>>11679760
Than post on an anonymous imageboard? Yes, but know's not the time I start those.

>> No.11679769

>>11679753
>mentally retarded
But how did she solve the puzzles if she's retarded?

>> No.11679777

>>11679769
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Savant_syndrome

>> No.11679780

>>11679769
The character is a blank slate. It's the player who is retarded.

>> No.11679783

>>11678028
>medieval black asians
With a name like Jasnah and how her appearance is described. I assumed she's supposed to be Indian or Arab?

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>>11679753
>tfw you are a mentally retarded korean girl

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>>11676676
lady boy

>> No.11679879

This waifufag shit between these Lady and Soulcatcher characters unironically has got me interested in Black Company. Is it worth getting into?

>> No.11679887

>>11679879
Read the first book at least. It's downhill from there.

>> No.11679890

>>11679739
Video games can be really good for letting you tell your own story, though.

>> No.11679906

>>11679887
That honestly seems to be the norm with stories spanning multiple books in general.

>> No.11679912

>>11679739
>>11679753
>>11679768
>>11679769
>>11679777
>>11679780
>>11679830
>>11679890
>>>/v/

>> No.11679914

>>11679912
>>>/v/429066087

>> No.11679915
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11679915

okay fuckers,
I finally finished the translation of a Sanderson book and submitted it to the publisher.
This was my third Sanderson.
If I ever sign a contract to translate another Sanderson book, first I'll eat the first page and post pictures here.

>fuckthisshit.epub

>> No.11679922

>>11679915
What language are you translating it to?

>> No.11679959

>>11679922
not one of the indo-european languages.

A question: do you guys really enjoy Sanderson books (because I see him posted a lot) or is it some sort of a meme? I mean, maybe it's because I'm a bit older than the average /lit/izen, but come on, you are better than this, right?

>> No.11679960

I wonder if any relatively big authors ever visit this place? I know that /co/ has writers, artists and showrunners lurking that place and /v/ is similar with a good chunk of western game devs lurking and even posting there.

>> No.11679965

>>11679914
>V-video games let you be interactive!

everyime

>> No.11679971

>>11679959
Sanderson vomits so much stuff that it's almost a given that the majority of us have read some of his stuff, allowing for easy discussion. It's like trying to open a conversation on /v/ about Call of Duty, versus some artsy indie game absolutely no one has played.

>> No.11679986

>>11676556
Exercise for the reader: think of non-arbitrary reasons for this discrepancy.

>> No.11679992

>>11677371
>pretty excited to finally talk about this
Don't be, we barely get 5 people replying to the discussion post and they mostly just drop their opinion and leave. Little discussion actually occurs.

>> No.11679994

>>11679971
>>11679971
okay, that's fair. but do you think that this is capital L "Literature"? This is not even capital F Fantasy Literature, no? This is anime.

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>>11679986
It was already brought up that it's basically Greek myths. Greek myths aren't shit unless you're a brainlet.

Stop samefagging.

>> No.11679999

>>11679995
Wrong reply?

>> No.11680001

>>11679999
About looting and stuff? No.

>> No.11680020

>>11679995
Except in greek myths it's acceptable due to how heroes were viewed in those times and looting whatever they wanted was expected of them. In rpgs you're usually playing as a goody two shoes faggot who has no problem taking everything like it's a blackout in Detroit.

>> No.11680021

>>11679906
Well for the Malazan series the first book is actually worse than the next two.

>> No.11680024

>Don't worry bro, it gets good 400 pages into book 12

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>>11679994
>This is anime
It's worse. At least there are good anime. There are no good Sandersons.

>> No.11680076

>>11680072
>At least there are good anime
I was going to say something, but this thread is already under nonstop shitposting about video games so I'll refrain.

>> No.11680085

the video game shitposting is somehow even worse than sanderson shitposting

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>>11680072
I translated from the Stormlight Arhives and Mistborn series, and with all the flying and cool hollywood-style landings, and American sense of humour, it's feels and reads like an anime.

I'm not well versed in anime either, but that was the closest thing I could think of.

>> No.11680094

>>11679783
she's Indian like with chinky eyes. most of the their world has chinky eyes apparently.

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>>11680085
At least Sanderson shitposting is tangentially related to literature.

I vote we'll shitpost about flower arrangement next.

>> No.11680106

>>11679734
Internet is unreliable and slow, so yes.

>> No.11680119

>>11680106
I'm quite certain rednecks only do meth, opiates and their relatives.

>> No.11680121

>>11680119
City dwelling scum would think that, sure.

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>>11680121

>> No.11680154

>>11680088
>American sense of humour
Surely not. If there's a single word that defines Sanderson's style of writing and humour, it's mormon. It just falls completely flat on every aspect. I've read plenty of burger authors who are funny.
I'll admit though I first read Mistborn and thought it was OK. I then read the rest of the series and realised he was garbage, but then /lit/izens convinced me to give him another try with stormlit archive or some shit and holy fucking christ I finished it just so I can complain about it without faggots telling me I can't since I didn't finish because it was quite legitimately the worst thing I'd ever read that was officially published. My god how bad it was. I honestly can't remember a single thing about it, it was so unmemorably bland and garbage.

>> No.11680286

>>11680154
Worse than Harry Potter?

>> No.11680465

What are some fantasy series with NTR in them? Asking for a friend.

>> No.11680481

>>11680465
The Kingkiller Chronicle by Patrick Rothfuss

>> No.11680535

>>11680465
Probably most of modern ones. Can't have romance without love triangles these days.

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>>11680535
Love triangle is a pretty different thing from an NTR, though. In love triangle, you've got a single person trying to decide between two others, wondering and agonizing and changing their mind about it; in NTR, you have one person pining on another one, but this other one toying with their feelings all the while continuing to fuck someone else.

I like love triangles fine, actually, if they're done well.

>> No.11680545

>>11679879
Unironically read the first book and full stop there. The second book is shit and I couldn't go over 70-ish pages. Never bothered with what comes next and everyone said what comes next is shit.
The first book, for some reason, is really good.

>> No.11680550

>>11680286
Sure.

>> No.11680557

>>11680544
>if they're done well
They never are though.

>> No.11680564

>>11680557
Guts/Griffith/Casca was pretty great, though.

>> No.11680569

>>11680544
>if they're done well.
Love triangles are only theoretically good, because of the potential it has as a plot, but it has never been done well in history of literature, so it simply remains a theory.
Like with super strength, in theory it's an awesome super power but since nobody has ever had super strength, we can't know how shit it would actually be to accidentally a hole in a wall and turn your arm into minced meat.

>> No.11680585

>>11680564
They weren't even remotely a love triangle. Casca loved and idolized Griffith but came to eventually love Guts, Guts was just initially there for the ride but came to love Casca and Griffith only ever loved his own ambition. Not really much of a triangle.

>> No.11680595

>>11680585
Griffith did pretty evidently have romantic feelings to both of them: he was attracted to Guts, and given at least one vision to Casca as well - and he wouldn't have gone to such spiteful lengths to hurt them both in the Eclipse if there wasn't something he felt to them both.

I think there's enough there to call it a love triangle, and it's subtle enough to call it a good one as well.

>> No.11680606

Berserk is shit and the only reason it's praised is because of the art. Had it been a book written by a westerner it never would've went beyond "another grimdark fantasy story"

>> No.11680609

>>11680606
>Berserk is shit
Still better than anything Rothfuss, Sanderson, Abercombie, or G.R.R. Martin ever produced.

>> No.11680616

>>11680609
Who said they were good? And Berserk is in league with those once you take away the "awe" from the pretty pictures.

>> No.11680624

>>11680616
Give any of them pretty pictures in turn, and only Sanderson with his anime books could get close to Berserk.

>> No.11680629

>>11680616
>Who said they were good
Then what are you crying about?

>> No.11680633

>>11680595

In the beginning Griffith saw casca as nothing more than a useful tool, he forces her to lie down with guts just to keep him warm. By the time he is decrepit and crippled he remembers how he only had to lift his finger and casca would have followed him to bed, but now as he tries to reach for her with mummified arms, she is repulsed by him. He sees the vision of the life they could never have, it's the same every man has when he sees an old flame with someone else.

>> No.11680637

>>11680629
All I said was that Berserk was shit. You or whoever else brought up some shitty writers I never mentioned, so ask him or yourself, not me.

>> No.11680641

>>11680637
Well, we discuss all those other shitty writers all the time, so by all appearances something being shit should mean fuck-all in here.

>> No.11680645

>>11680641
Who said you couldn't talk about shit? Why are you so upset anon?

>> No.11680659

>>11680645
Then why did you bring up Berserk being shit in the first place? Why are you so butthurt anon?

>> No.11680667

>>11680659
Because I was voicing my opinion. I'm sorry an anonymous person not liking your shitty manga made you so upset.

>> No.11680671

>>11680606


You have to read classical eastern literature to get the references. It'd be like reading Paradise Lost if you hadn't read the bible.

>> No.11680681

>>11680659
He's mad because some edgy Chinese tapestry is better than anything western grimdark writers shit out.

>> No.11680682

>>11680667
>Because I was voicing my opinion.
Okay, and why? It kind of came out of nowhere.

>> No.11680692

>>11680671
>References
And how does this make it any good? All it's telling me is that the there's far better stories I could be putting my time towards.

>> No.11680701

>>11680682
Like the discussion of a japanese comic book in a thread about science fiction/fantasy novels.

>> No.11680708

>>11680701
Somebody asked about love triangles. I presented a few points on the subject matter and gave an example of what I thought to be a good one.

>> No.11680720

>>11680544
>I like love triangles fine, actually, if they're done well.
They are usually for female author's self insert.

>> No.11680726

>>11680708
And people talked about Berserk and I gave my thoughts on it. What's the problem again?

>> No.11680733

>>11680726
Your thoughts are shit.

>> No.11680784

>Listen, you can shit on any author but not my fellow jap ok?

>> No.11680816

>Oh, and not video games either

>> No.11680972

Things you can't like in /sffg/:
>Mormons
>Strong black women
>Middle aged white males

Things you can like in /sffg/:
>litrpgs
>Wuxia/xianxia
>Anything written by an person living or with heritage from the eastern hemisphere of planet earth
>Video game storytelling

>> No.11680973 [DELETED] 

>>11680972
What about
>western scifi/fantasy literature

>> No.11680982

>>11680972
If you have a problem with what we like, leave.

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>>11680681
That is a cute world you got there Miura but

>> No.11680998

>>11680972
You can keep fagging at r/Fantasy

>> No.11681002

>>11680998
Except r/fantasy likes all those things

>> No.11681007

>>11681002
Still better than this place, that likes all the things you don't and hates all the things you do.

>> No.11681012

>>11681007
I haven't seen any critism to any book there

>> No.11681015

>>11681012
So is that what you do? You hate stuff?

That sounds unhealthy.

>> No.11681016

>>11681012
Contrary to popular belief, there's a decent amount of people there that don't like Sanderson and hate Rothfuss.

>> No.11681021

>>11681015
Not being an asslicker to some hack writer is what i am trying to do

>> No.11681027

>>11681021
If you have to resort to "that's just your opinion, man" in an argument please reevaluate yourself

>> No.11681028

>>11677128
Why does this feel like bait?

>> No.11681037

>>11681016
Unironically every review at least ends with ''overall that is a good book'' You can't expect constructive reviews at a place like that

>> No.11681042

>>11681037
If we're talking about being constructive, then why exactly is Berserk shit?

>> No.11681063

>>11681042
You tell me why a manga starts as a grim medieval epic but slowly transforms into a pseudo-shonen and completly throws away every side chracters developments isn't shit

>> No.11681069

>>11681042
For the same reason a lot of grimdark medieval fantasies are shit. Just imagine Miura as Michael and I'm sure you'll start noticing the faults in it.

>> No.11681071

>>11679879
Ignore these fags. Read the first four and stop there. I know that sounds weird, but literally the only reason to read four is to see the relationship between Lady and Croaker progress. Two is especially saved because the barkeeper's story is actually really interesting. But I'll agree with the one anon on the actual battle for the castle. The issue is that, after the first trilogy, the Black Company loses its main selling point of being the bad guy's grunts.

>> No.11681081

>>11681069
That is a common problem of every extreme genre fiction regardless of ethnicity

>> No.11681108

>>11681069
But the main issue witg most grimdark fantasy is that everyone is an asshole, which doesn’t really describe Berserk outside of its very beginning.

>> No.11681122

>>11681108
>Very beginning
The most important part of the story. Not proving him wrong.

>> No.11681127

>>11681108
The only thing worse than a grimdark fantasy is a grimdark fantasy that doesn't stick to its principles. Berserk has betrayed everything it stood for with this shonen high fantasy bullshit.

Sadly, ASOIAF looks to be going the same way. If it ever continues at all.

>> No.11681171

>>11681108
Good character doesn't have to be likeable that is the point.Otherwise you came across to abominations like Logen

>> No.11681188

>>11680692
Name them faggot. Your 69th Wolfe re-read?

>> No.11681195

>>11681188
Mass Effect.

>> No.11681198

>>11681188
The one the story is referencing, DUH

>> No.11681200

>>11681122
But the very beginning is basically a flashfoward.
>>11681127
>shonen high fantasy bullshit.
What does that means? Serious, it is still pretty grim, and the main things when people say “shonen bullshit” is power levels bullshit, and villain of the week stuff, neither which really applies.

>> No.11681210

>>11681200
>flashforward
Arguably the most worthless thing in a story next to a prologue

>> No.11681219

>>11681210
At least it got the story started in a pretty metal way, instead of a bunch of angsty boring bullshit about some little kid growing up.

>> No.11681221

>>11681171
I don’t disagree with that. I am just saying the main criticism I hear abou things being “grimdark”.

>> No.11681222

>>11681198
I'm pretty sure that guy was memeing, you don't have to read shit to understand Berserk. I'm just asking for better fantasy stories because I've yet to find much of anything that comes close, let alone is better that gets talked about in this thread. At least as far as the golden age arc goes, it does kind of get less interesting as it goes along and is probably never going to end like ASOIAF. That arc works great as a stand alone story though.

>> No.11681227

>>11681219
>See this shit right now? It won't be relevant for a few hundred chapters but it's cool right?
>Please don't stop read

If you have to use a flashforward or prologue that says a lot about your confidence in the beginning of your story.

>> No.11681239

>>11681219
>>11681227
Berserk prologue is easily skippable, I doubt it was put there to hook anyone as it's pretty much universally agreed that the next arc is best in the series and Miura was probably just figuring out what the fuck he wanted to do during it.

>> No.11681245

>>11681239
I still think it's a pretty good prologue, though. Guts isn't exactly at his most relatable but action is good. And then just as it prods deeper questions about the setting and its events, and gets me wondering about Guts's past, it answers.

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I've opened a telegram group about sci-fi, if you are interested...

t.me/sciencefiction1

>> No.11681253

>>11676482
Anyone here like Harlan Ellison? Read a compilation book of his the other day and for the most part the stories were really solid.

>> No.11681256

>>11681239
>Miura was probably just figuring out what the fuck he wanted to do during it

"If you have to use a flashforward or prologue that says a lot about your confidence in the beginning of your story."

>> No.11681259

Alright guys, I'm going to read Alice in Wonderland.

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>>11681259
You're in for a treat.

>> No.11681275

>>11681256
It could have not been a flash forward at all if the flashback after it ended up being a short thing. Maybe it was planned that way from the start though, I've no idea on the details, still the best thing he ever did was making the flashback be long and detailed. And who gives a shit about confidence if the end product is good.

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>>11681261
Maybe I should take a nap before reading this

>> No.11681317

>>11681310
>reading the introduction

>> No.11681327

>>11681317
but it's called introduction

>> No.11681370

>>11681253
I got into his stuff this year - read An Edge in my Voice, Stalking the Nightmare and Paingod so far, mixed bags but pretty good overall. Didn't really care for "Repent, Harlequin! Said the Ticktockman" surprisingly.

>tfw Harlan predicted /sffg/
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OnE1iO-WJu8

>> No.11681483

>>11679915
How can you not enjoy the easy money that is translating Sanderson prose.

>> No.11681510

>>11681171
>abominations like Logen
I don't know, I feel like Abercrombie got better with every book on writing Logen. The problems come from the inconsistent portrayals in my opinion.

>> No.11681531

>>11679651
>implying they would have bought a book by a chink anyway

>> No.11681565

Got memed into reading Worm. What a load of utter fucking garbage it was. Do people unironically enjoy this?

>> No.11681585

>>11681565
You read all 6,000 odd pages? What point did you realize you hated it?

>> No.11681587

>>11681510
best logan stuff was the final short story in sharp ends so checks out

>> No.11681593

If I wrote a dark fantasy and/or horror story that was non-terrible, where should I submit it?

>> No.11681650

>>11681585
At the 5999 page mark.

>> No.11681655

>>11681650
Why did it take so long? And what happened on page 5999 that finally did the trick?

>> No.11681657

>>11681593
/sffg/

>> No.11681666

>>11681655
>And what happened on page 5999 that finally did the trick?
My wife's boyfriend finally came so I was allowed to stop.

>> No.11681678

>literally every thread
>"I was memed into reading WoT/Malazan/Sanderson/Webnovels/LitRPGs/Kingkiller abloo abloo abloo"
When will you learn?

>> No.11681689

>>11681678
>implying thats a bad thing

>> No.11681697

>>11681253
Ellison was pretty great. On The Slab is my favorite short story of his.

>>11681370
Repent was too derivative for me to appreciate.
As for that video, Ellison himself was a mean spirited bully.

>> No.11681732

How exactly does one get "memed" into reading something?

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>>11681732
It's a way to shirk responsibility and claim you didn't really actually want to read the book in the first place. It wasn't your fault.

>> No.11681771

>>11681678
>implying it's not the same pathetic shitposter day in and day out

>> No.11681778

>>11681754
Damn, it'd been years since I last saw this image being posted around here.

>> No.11681784

>>11681732
>see book spammed repeatedly in /sffg/
>somehow believe that it's not a single spammer but that there is a general consensus that it's a good book
>have no taste whatsoever and therefore fail to spot what a distinguished /sffg/ poster would have identified as a shitty book from miles away
>be memed

>> No.11681806

>>11681483
the books are 1000+ pages long and I have 9-to-5 day job, so it sucks up all my free time.

>> No.11681874
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So I've been playing Dying Light and having a blast with braining zombies left and right.
I am in the mood for some post-apoc fiction with the zombie slant. Can anyone here recommend me something interesting. The last related thing I read was World War Z and it was kinda meh.

>> No.11681891

>>11681874
I think one of the Dresden Files had zombies.

>> No.11682051

>>11677312
>why does a sci-fi novelist write sci-fi video game novels when he could just write for sci-fi video games?

Video games really do appeal to the lowest of the low.

>> No.11682059

>>11682051
I don't understand what you're getting at.

>> No.11682083

>>11681247
what's telegram? it is just like discord? i enjoyed the discord before it died, although it was a bit immature

>> No.11682105

>>11682083

It's just like WhatsApp. It is a mix of discord and wa.

>> No.11682110

Lady and bumscratcher a shit.

Darling 5ever.

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>>11682110

>> No.11682120

>>11682110
All three a shit.

Bêlit 6ever.

>> No.11682151

>>11681874
Mountain Man by Keith C Blackmore was pretty good.

>> No.11682252

>>11682116
>wants a woman who might call out his name during sex in a man's voice before or after she tries to murder him for some contrived reason because she's a psychopath

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>>11682252
Well speaking only for myself here but in my sexual fantasies I am always every participant in them be it a solo act or a 100 person gangbang. I'm sure it's like this for most people though you autist fucks on here probably won't understand.

>> No.11682286

>>11682280
So it'd end with you killing yourself?

>> No.11682297

>>11682286
No. Fucking myself.

>> No.11682300

>>11682297
But one half of you in this equation is a psychopath...

>> No.11682306

>>11682300
I don't get it. How so?

>> No.11682458

>>11677132
>>11677270
This. I read up to book 6 when I was a teen, I don't really know how I would view it if I read it today.

>> No.11682467

>>11682252
did it ever explain why she was so far off her rocker?

>> No.11682479

>>11678941
I am reading this shitty book of yours. Still on kindle preview, though, which is surprisingly large (I think they are about 10% the length of the book), so I guess so is the book.

When do the waifus appear?

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Is there a single character who could defeat Menelaus Montrose?

>> No.11682511

>>11682479
Chapter 3.

I'm fairly sure it takes a bit past 10% for any of them to do anything, though.

>> No.11682579

>>11679861
>those eyes
hnnnggghhh

>> No.11682589

give me the funny games of fantasy

>> No.11682591

>>11682467
She went a year carrying her head around because her husbando chopped it off to stall her plot to avenge the twin sister murdered by lady.

>> No.11682773

>>11682589
So pretty much
>Typical fantasy shit with chosen one yada yada
>Except the dark lord wins in the end because he's aware he's in a story which allows him to bullshit the plot

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>ywn serve the Intergalactic British Space Empire
why even live lads

>> No.11682815

>>11682467
I dunno if you noticed, but NO ONE in that setting who can use magic is sane. Its like the more powerful you are the less mentally stable you become. Also, her being bonkers was important to the plot.

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Do you buy your science fiction and fantasy books in hardcover or paperback?

Or do you pirate?

>> No.11682832

>>11677139
Having multiple wives in a western society would be a fucking nightmare. Having to deal with all their petty bullshit on top of all the stress to keep them happy so they don't claim you're a rapist misogynist and ruin your life?

Fuck that. I don't even tell the women I date my real name, why in the fuck would I ever marry one?

>> No.11682844

>>11682831
Almost entirely paperback. Hardback if I get a good deal on full set. All used of course. Pirate for my reader very rarely.

>> No.11682863

>>11677312
GRRM had to write most of a colossally best selling fantasy series before he could land a steady gig writing for tv, how the fuck is anyone else supposed to do it?

>> No.11682866

>>11682832
I'm not sure I agree. I even think two could be better than once particularly in our atomized age. Men just don't generally have the emotional energy to keep up with women, and our social structure has stripped away community, adult friends and extended family as sources of interaction for her. The couple is all that's left. He's supposed to be her everything so he feels drained and she feels emotionally unsatisfied. That's where wife two comes in -- they play their female 4-d relationship chess with each other while the husband just glides in to fuck, eat and referee.

>> No.11682870

>>11677671
>written by a woman

I am justifiably skeptical.

>> No.11682891

>>11682832
If you have more than 2 wives they'll pin all of their problems on each other and compete to be the favourite, earning yourself two perfect women.
Trust me I did gcse biology.

>> No.11682893

>>11682815
I guess though the Lady was reasonably together. More mean why all the various voices and whatnot, were they literally other souls she'd "caught"?

>> No.11682897

>>11682831
huh didn't know this was coming out, nice.

>> No.11682898
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11682898

A shame that hack Jemisin gets praised meanwhile Justina is putting out the quality and no one notices her.

>> No.11682904

>>11682866
Nah, over here in the west they'd just constantly fight over petty shit and perceived insults and blame you for everything because western women are incapable of accepting responsibility for their own decisions and actions. And there's a 75% chance neither of them will have a job that pays better than starbucks 'barista' or walmart cashier, which means your ass is going to be working all the fucking time to foot all the bills.

>> No.11682920

>>11682898
no

>> No.11682922

>>11682891
>they'll pin all of their problems on YOU as they treat each other with cold hostility, explosive jealousy, and catty passive aggressiveness

FTFY

Fuck that kind of stress, mang. I just wanna smoke a bowl, read cool books, and have some guilt free, consensual sex from time to time. Marriage is a scam.

>> No.11682923

>>11682898
>YA
>Zombies
>Setting is pre civil war except civil war never happened because zombies
sign me up

>> No.11682928
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11682928

>>11682904
Check out The Secret History of Wonder Woman before you dismiss it completely.

>> No.11682930

>>11682831
Depends. If its a book by a lesser known writer, I always buy the books. If its some big time, successful author I pirate. They don't need my money more than I do.

>> No.11682932

>>11682898
>"Rise Up"
>Sickle with Red Blood on it for dual symbolism
>Black Woman

Jesus Christ they really are going all out.

>> No.11682935

>>11682930
mostly this

>> No.11682940

>>11682863
GRRM had a steady gig writing for tv before he started writing asoiaf.

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11683089

>>11681510

>> No.11683111

Other books to read if I thought Hyperion was the best sci-fi book ever?

>> No.11683155

>>11683111
could try Reynolds or Banks but if it's hyperion's structure that did it for you I can't think of anything especially similar.

>> No.11683161

>>11683155
Yeah I think my attraction to uniqueness is what made Hyperion special in the first place

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>>11683111
Kefahuchi Tract trilogy. Particularly the first two. Particularly the first one. Roadside Picnic. The City and the City. Maybe 2001. Evolution. Last and First Men.

>> No.11683230

Make a new thread or else.

>> No.11683263

NEW THREAD
>>11683254
>>11683254
>>11683254
mmmmm baen

>> No.11683514

https://discord.. gg/w4d7WuX