Anti-Oedipus Reading Group

[Anonymous No.11693863]

This is the reading group for Deleuze and Guattari's Anti-Oedipus: Capitalism and Schizophrenia. It will be going on from now until mid November. We will be going through page per page and expressing our opinions on it.


We will start with Foucault's Preface. The reading pace will be decided rhizomatically and happen real time.

Link to the book
http://b-ok.xyz/book/768020/802fa1

[Anonymous No.11693894]

the reading group that will die within 2 days of starting, I'm calling it.

[Anonymous No.11693936]

>>11693863
I can't click the link. How do I get the book?

[Anonymous No.11693939]

>>11693936
https://libcom.org/files/Anti-Oedipus.pdf
I've already read this but I can do my best to help out where I can. Willing to contribute to discussion.

[Anonymous No.11693950]

>>11693894
"If one person reads it then it will have been worth it" - Deleuze

[Anonymous No.11693958]

>>11693939
Thanks. Didn't realize the link wasn't working

[Anonymous No.11693985]

Yall should read this before trying to tackle D&G

[Anonymous No.11693996]

What are you guys thinking of the Preface by Michel Foucault so far?

Here is how it starts
"During the years 1945-1965 (I am referring to Europe),
there was a certain way of thinking correctly, a certain style of political
discourse, a certain ethics of the intellectual. One had to be on familiar
terms with Marx, not let one's dreams stray too far from Freud. And one
had to treat sign-systems—the signifier—with the greatest respect.
These were the three requirements that made the strange occupation of
writing and speaking a measure of truth about oneself and one's time
acceptable."

[Anonymous No.11694011]

This Deleuze and Guattari happening is strange and frightening to me. Where did it come from? Is it a hoax or in earnest? Do memes really dominate us this much?

[Anonymous No.11694041]

Where does one begin before tackling this legendary tome?

[Anonymous No.11694049]

In will join only if there is no discord faggotry.

[Anonymous No.11694062]

>>11693863
But what is the schedule?

[Anonymous No.11694111]

>>11694041
It's 20 pages long

[Anonymous No.11694241]

>>11693863
never read a philosophy book in my life. i'm down.

[Anonymous No.11694243]

>>11694111
its about 380 by the penguin edition

[Convex !2JFC8Gml3c No.11694250]

>>11693985
D&G work is easier than solo Deleuze though

[Anonymous No.11694344]

I think there are a fair number of typos in my pdf.

[Anonymous No.11694348]

Ride the waves of the plane of imminence

[Anonymous No.11694358]

>>11693863
Thanks for the advanced notice genius

[Anonymous No.11694373]

We can also talk about Tarkovsky films if you want.

[Anonymous No.11694482]

I read Foucault's preface and the introduction. I don't think I'm familiar enough with Freud and psychoanalysis to really get the full meaning of this text.

[Anonymous No.11694565]

>>11694373
1. Andrie did not revere Deleuze it was Deleuze which revered Andrei.
2. Andrei did revere his father's poetry and thought of his films as cinematic poetry

[Anonymous No.11694578]

>become a homeless fighting robot

[Anonymous No.11694617]

>schizophrenic root vegetables are the highest mode of becoming

[Anonymous No.11694640]

>>11693863
>preface
Can Foucault ever shut the fuck up about Power?

[Anonymous No.11694692]

>>11694640
Yes.

[Anonymous No.11694777]

>>11694617
>Implying it isn't

[Anonymous No.11694936]

I'VE GOT THE ROOTS

[Anonymous No.11694940]

Why should I read this shitty book?

[Anonymous No.11694948]

>>11694692
what is that anon? gonna make myself seem like a brainlet, is that HIV?

[Anonymous No.11694954]

>>11694948
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QMhwuNYliwo

[Anonymous No.11695025]

>>11693863
I'm in
>>11694062

[Anonymous No.11695036]

I'm in, would making a discord be useful or is that not useful.

[Anonymous No.11695087]

>camp Satanist B-Schlock
>hurr durr we're bringing them the plague :--D
can't we just have a Bible reading group instead

[Anonymous No.11695088]

BUT I HAVEN'T DONE THE PREREQUISITE READING YET! I HAVEN'T EVEN READ FOUCAULT FOR GOD'S SAKE!

[Anonymous No.11695125]

>>11694243
>penguin
>360 pages of translators introductions and notes on the translation.

[Anonymous No.11695143]

>>11693863

>The reading pace will be decided rhizomatically

[Anonymous No.11695171]

Foucault is telling me this is a guide book to living a non fascist life. Is it?
This art of living counter to all forms of fascism, whether already
present or impending, carries with it a certain number of essential
principles which I would summarize as follows if I were to make this
great book into a manual or guide to everyday life:
• Free political action from all unitary and totalizing paranoia.
• Develop action, thought, and desires by proliferation, juxtaposi-
tion, and disjunction, and not by subdivision and pyramidal
hierarchiza-tion.
• Withdraw allegiance from the old categories of the Negative (law,
limit, castration, lack, lacuna), which Western thought has so long held
sacred as a form of power and an access to reality. Prefer what is
positive and multiple, difference over uniformity, flows over unities,
mobile arrangements over systems. Believe that what is productive is
not sedentary but nomadic.
• Do not think that one has to be sad in order to be militant, even
though the thing one is fighting is abominable. It is the connection of.. etc etc"

[Anonymous No.11695182]

>>11693863
>The reading pace will be decided rhizomatically
lmao

I'm like 1/4th in right now but I'll be keeping an eye on these threads if they don't die out.

[Anonymous No.11695236]

Read this shit first please

[Anonymous No.11695426]

>>11695088
this but unironically

[Anonymous No.11695459]

>>11695426
>>11695088
go read letter to a harsh critic. he said he wrote the book for fifteen to twenty year olds for anyone to jump into and was against looking at philosophy in some linear way and doing a bunch of prerequisite readings.

[pooposter !!ciZV6Id/Qdc No.11695470]

>>11693863
I agree and like this idea how do I join

[Anonymous No.11695471]

>>11693863 (OP)
>The reading pace will be decided rhizomatically

[Anonymous No.11695923]

>>11694011
I wasnt on lit for a year, i started reading antioedipus cuz it was in my library next to saint augustines confessions. I started reading and it was kinda confusing but it made sense after i reread the chapter (im only 100 pages in). Now I came to lit and its a meme. I hate when this happens and I cant even explain why I hate it. Its an old book, nothing new happened since then except Land.

[Anonymous No.11695937]

Misheh Fookoo admits the book is nonsense in the preface as further defiance of fascism. Thinking they're fraudsters is the point.

[Anonymous No.11696144]

>>11695923
>i started reading antioedipus cuz it was in my library next to saint augustines confessions
This is kind of hilarious

[Anonymous No.11696178]

>>11695125
>read plato
>penguin
>"oh shit 1000 pages, fuck i better buckle down and learn what plato had to say"
>the text is barely 300 pages

[Anonymous No.11696185]

>>11695937
Give the the exact quote

[Anonymous No.11696303]

>>11696185
The final paragraph of the preface. I can't copy/paste a pdf on this stupid ass Amazon Fire.

Don't buy one, the auto-correct (which it changed to the word end-user) is shit as well.

[Anonymous No.11696457]

>>11693863
Guys, I know you're all cool body without organ rhizomatic warmachines but without a schedule your group is fucked

At the very least make a discord so you have some constant means of communication & negotiation

[Anonymous No.11696740]

>>11696457
>but without a schedule your group is fucked
true
>At the very least make a discord
fuck off cunt

[Anonymous No.11696750]

>>11693996
Hmm. Very interesting.

[Anonymous No.11697112]

>>11695470
Just start reading

[Anonymous No.11697140]

>>11696457
Deleuzian's don't need to "schedule". We are free agents surfing the plane of imminence.

[Anonymous No.11697141]

>>11696740
I mean I'd rather you guys made a schedule since i dont like discord but doing neither is stupid

[Anonymous No.11697147]

>>11697140
then why do you need a group to read anti-oedipus

[Anonymous No.11697178]

>>11695937
Having finished the book, I can say Foucoult didn't read it or missed the point. "Introduction to the non-facist life", what a crock of shit.

[Anonymous No.11697192]

>>11695125
that's not true at all. the preface is just a few pages and there are some footnotes and a bibliography; the book is hundreds of pages long, anon

[Anonymous No.11697196]

>>11697147
You need to know if you are doing it right

[Anonymous No.11697239]

>>11697178
Wasn't be basically saying that Deleuze was putting a new way forward from earlier ideologies like Marxism and Fascism?

[Anonymous No.11697288]

please let this live for a week more until i finish my exams please

[Anonymous No.11698615]

>>11697178
There was a theory that Foucault already had fallen out with Deleuze by that point and wrote the preface ironically. Is it the one where he compares D&G to Christian moralists? Usually that part is the give away for such theories.

[Anonymous No.11698629]

op make a discord

[Anonymous No.11699144]

>>11698615
Foucault has his own agenda

[Anonymous No.11699385]

>>11698629
No. Just keep this thread alive

[Anonymous No.11699982]

>>11693863

Some months ago, I made an examination of all the images used throughout C&S (almost all in the sequel, ATP). If anyone wants and I get a nice (You) or two I'll find it in the archive.

>>11693894

Probably. New Year's 2018 saw a number of proposed, very-ambitious "reading-groups" die on the vine: Finnegans Wake, Capital and one or two others among them.

[Anonymous No.11699988]

>>11693863
i'm in

[Anonymous No.11700012]

>>11696457

>at the very least make a discord (heh) so you have some feudal hierarchical bourgeois tree as opposed to the rhizomatic ontology of the present forum which I don't count as valid "communication" even though of course it is becuase I'm dumb

ftfy

[Anonymous No.11700025]

>>11693863
Oedipus was into his mom, not his anti.

[Anonymous No.11700150]

>>11700025

[Anonymous No.11700212]

Me and Nick land are among the few individuals to fully understand the implications of Deleuzean thought and achieve the BwO. It is no coincidence that we both went insane soon after. Six visits to the psych ward later after deterritorializing myself with hardcore psychedelics, I have now returned to the fold of Platonism. The ethics of difference, it would seem, end only in a padded cell or a coffin. For my mother's sake, I now adhere to virtue ethics. Kinda miss fucking bipolar scene sluts but then again that's probably how I ended up with HIV. I only hope my future wife can forgive me my immature philosophical infatuation.

[Anonymous No.11700254]

>>11695236
ty for posting. even with a background (yrs) of reading freud's work, lacan's work, nietzsche's work, marx's work, and myriad works of ethnography or anthropology (even griaule), i decided to put it down after 181 and read deleuze and guattari's solo works first

[Anonymous No.11700307]

>>11699982
Yes please


>>11699982

[Anonymous No.11700310]

Guys we are moving onto the first few pages. You should have all had the chance to read the preface by now.

Please share your thoughts on the opening few pages.

[Anonymous No.11700355]

>>11700310

Based upon the preface, you're merely a petit-fascist who seeks to guide discussion out of some unwarranted self-importance.

[Anonymous No.11700551]

>>11700355
Well partly but not entirely.

[Anonymous No.11701223]

>>11699982
Give em my man

[Anonymous No.11701256]

>>11693863
>till November
bitch i read it in four days, hurry up

[Anonymous No.11701346]

you could probably just read Naked Lunch instead. It explores similar ideas more concisely. They basically stole the whole 'control society' schtick from him. Just substitute junk for desire/power.

[Anonymous No.11701894]

>>11700012
look retard, im not a deleuzian so i dont have to pervert my brain into bizarre shapes to comprehend why there isnt a top down hierarchy of more efficient to less efficient forms of communication a reading group can have. either you have a schedule so people know what time to meet to discuss the book on this website where threads slip off into the ether if ignored for too long, or you have a discord which is permanent so people can pop in "rhizomatically" at their leisure.

like its hard enough to have a normal reading group you faggot, why make it harder. to be honest the resistance of people in this thread has convinced me deleuze is brain poison and i dont feel any need to read him now. have fun when this thread dies and you dont finish the book because you needed a "reading group" to read it in the first place.

[Anonymous No.11701929]

>>11701894
>to be honest the resistance of people in this thread has convinced me deleuze is brain poison and i dont feel any need to read him now

By that logic you'd never read anyone ever mentioned on /lit/. So basically you wouldn't read at all.

[Anonymous No.11701968]

>>11700254
that's retarded

[Anonymous No.11701977]

Who's read the preface so far?

[Anonymous No.11702033]

>>11701894
this ducking fascist. I read on quora that if you state the goal, then you're less likely to finish it. A discord would be a statement of goal, as well as, an extra layer to community. We'd split the readership between two sites. A psychological and knowledge gap will form, as the conversation gap widens, alienating others.

[Anonymous No.11702110]

I've read this, but wouldn't be opposed to reading it again provided that people actually quote the material and have insightful contributions.

[Anonymous No.11702118]

What did you all think of the first chapter?

[Anonymous No.11702127]

>>11701929
>By that logic you'd never read anyone ever mentioned on /lit/. So basically you wouldn't read at all.
You cuckolds circlejerk over the same 20 books perennially.

[Anonymous No.11702302]

>>11702127
books come and go, memes are forever.

[Anonymous No.11702342]

>>11701968
reading chronological precedents, including the seminars of jacques lacan and the freud readings in the seminars, as well as the earlier philosophical work of deleuze and the clinical and philosophical considerations of guattari, before finishing a theoretical work by a library of a philosopher and a revolutionary of a lacanian protege, specifically levied against lacan, is the only correct way to prep for the two volumes of cap and schiz

[Anonymous No.11702454]

Is this book going to help or at least make me feel better about my latent schizophrenia? I liked what I read in the description of OP's URL.

[Anonymous No.11702537]

>>11702342
Sorry I misread and thought N&P was abandoned for C&S, not the other way around. Carry on, you're on the right track then. I was lucky that some of my peers and a professor were Lacanians so I fastforwarded through that stuff.

[Anonymous No.11702650]

>>11702454
no

[Anonymous No.11702709]

>>11701929
no because ive talked to actual lacanians and derrideans who were able to sustain some level of common sense, but every deleuzian has a neoliberal freedom fetish and needs to escape literally every possible "constraint" even the the most ridiculous and self-destructive degree. and as a result deleuze has slid to the bottom of my long long to read pile and i have resigned myself to never reaching him

>>11702033
okay good some actual reason that itsn't parroting deleuzian bullshit

im not a fascist but if they can get the trains to run on time then they can probably run a reading group so maybe itd be better to take cues from them than from deleuze. and quora gay, stating a goal is a necessary but obviously not sufficient part of any activity. obviously if you dont have a goal, then you can retroactively claim whatever you did was your "goal". it's only if you state your goal that you can finish it. and i agree you cant have people switching between talking about it on discord and /lit/ but if you pick one and only one then thats going to be radically better than treating /lit/ as if it works the same way as discord

im just recommending a schedule you damn schizos, lordy

[Anonymous No.11702788]

>>11693863
I think Anti-Oedipus is a tad bit too much. Go through the first paragraph that revolves around anus light rays as a critique to Freud too see what I mean.

I think it's quite better to start with the vol.2 (A Thousand Platos).

[Anonymous No.11702809]

I'm in for a weekly reading, every sunday.

[Anonymous No.11702836]

>>11700307
>>11701223

OK my dudes.

It started here, and ended in same thread. Previously I'd made one abortive attempt at same in an older thread but I wasn't quite ready with everything, this is where I finished it.

>>/lit/thread/S10564439#p10571469

[Anonymous No.11702861]

>>11702709
>every deleuzian has a neoliberal freedom fetish and needs to escape literally every possible "constraint" even the the most ridiculous and self-destructive degree

They're either Landians or memeing (so memeing either way). Deleuze was a leftist (some kind of anarchocommunist or social libertarian or whatever) and D&G themselves said that deterritorializations are more a means to an end than anything else. Although D's vitalistic side does rather explicitly state that bodies capture life (hold it captive) and that it must be liberated, which can be interpreted as suicide although it probably means something like transcending the human.

[Anonymous No.11702871]

>>11702788
I agree that starting with the second volume is preferable. But either way, one should have read their Lacan and relevant Freudian materials, and also enough to understand the sort of historical moment of Paris in the 1950s-1972

[Anonymous No.11702876]

>>11702861
how the fuck can you interpret the liberation of life as suicide in D's vitalism. It comes mainly from Bergson and holy shit Bergson wouldn't encourage suicide

[Anonymous No.11702882]

>>11702861
transcending the cultural codes organ-izing the very productive activity of our bodies... this is the relevance of wilhelm reich... to think that there are people diving into the two volumes of cap and schiz without first reading freud, lacan, reich, klossowski, and griaule... this board is endlessly disappointing

[Anonymous No.11702896]

>>11702871
I don't really think we need Lacan and Freud.

Something of Freud... sure, but Lacan...

What of Freud would be of need is the matrix that organizes everything around the Oediupus triangle, the desire, repression and something of his trial to surpass the person into culture/society. But honestly, I don't think there's a need to go into them before getting A Thousand Platos (if I'm not mistaken, the second chapter has a take on the wolves story but the first doesn't even come close...

[Anonymous No.11702902]

>>11702896
coupled with the point that it's a group. so there might be freudians / lacanians that knows their shit and could give input.

it's a collective interprise, not a lonesome one.

[Anonymous No.11702980]

>>11702882
I did not imply otherwise. It's still not a complete deterritorialization, which would be more comparable to some psychotic episode, it's rather a controlled deterritorialization that's meant to be freeing. Not the same thing if that's what you're getting at. Although if you have some precise idea that contradicts this I'd unironically love to hear it.

>>11702876
I know it's silly since D had some uplifting influences (especially Nietzsche, but Spinoza and Bergson and countless others, especially writers like Lawrence or Miller), but some might read about how life is trapped in bodies (composite objects) and about how it must be freed and say "welp, out the window I go!"

[Anonymous No.11703008]

>>11694011
>>11695923
Honestly this, I'm just starting the 3rd chapter (around page 140) and knowing /lit/ is getting on the meme has put me off a bit. I'm willing to join in if it's still going by then.

>>11702871
>>11702902
I only knew the basics of Freud, Lacan and others when I started, and got by quite well with researching the references as I go. Going on late night wikipedia benders on Schreber Bergson, etc. Rhizomatic vs arborescent knowledge and all that.

>>11702980
Death is the ultimate becoming-BwO after all

[Anonymous No.11703012]

>>11702709
The goal is reading this book. Reading is a one to one activity. The statement of the goal is creating the discord, an extra layer above the /lit layer.

The goal and schedule is in the OP. You're not recommending, only objecting to the given goal and schedule.

[Anonymous No.11703025]

tomorrow OP opens a thread in regard the Preface?

[Anonymous No.11703043]

How did their collaboration work?

[Anonymous No.11703063]

>>11703043
Smoothly at times, at other times in fits and starts, so to say. Guattari's A-O Papers gets into this.

[Anonymous No.11703082]

>>11703043
They used it to hide on the back of each other in order to keep philosophical exegesis from "nailing" which line belongs to which author.
Quite clever

[Anonymous No.11703132]

Is there a reading list of stuff I should read before this?

[Anonymous No.11703145]

>>11703132
Not really... But if you want, download the Anti-Oedipus and check out the footnotes.

Freud and Marx else.

[Anonymous No.11703541]

>>11703132
these are most referenced writers in the book
>freud
>lacan
>marx
>nietzsche

[Anonymous No.11704090]

>>11703063
> Things are fucking weird!

No shit, Felix...

[Anonymous No.11704523]

I read out into the wilds of page 9 and I am not understanding a God damn lick of it. Am I being messed with?

[Anonymous No.11704556]

>>11703043
They drank at a table and wrote their thoughts down