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Do women like bookish, introverted guys?

>> No.11753764

>>11753758
Most certainly not.

>> No.11753769

>>11753764
But what if they’re romantics? That’s gotta count for something.

>> No.11753770

>>11753758
Only in a bookish, introverted society.

>> No.11753781

>>11753764
go read tom

>> No.11753783

>>11753758
Just be confident whatever the fuck that means lol

>> No.11753786

>>11753769
you'll get rejected and a big yikes

>> No.11753791

if they look good, and are tall

>> No.11753796

Only theoretically

>> No.11753802

>>11753786
But why? Women love romantic guys. Women will fall for whatever bullshit guys have to say, a lot of times which are just quotes from obscure books she has never read. Incidentally, would a women rather stay with a poor romantic, or some dweebish stemfag who’ll ultimately earn more money?

>> No.11753808

>>11753758
Onjly in fiction written by bookish, introverted guys

>> No.11753817

>>11753758

what you mean by bookish
>no you fucking bitch it's finnegans wake not finnegan's you fucking illiterate.

what she means by bookish
>Wow I see you like Marquez. so do I. I can recommend a lot of great magical realism books I think you will love.

what you mean by introverted
>yeah i just sit there playing video games or shitposting for /lit for hours on end, who needs to go outside?

what she means by introverted
>this party is lame. why don't we go for a walk on the beach and just take in the beauty of nature?

>> No.11753821

Bookish women do. But where to meet a bookish man, OP? Every time I go to the bookstore people are too engrossed to start conversation - the library is full of children and the elderly, the men in my life do not read. Where to meet one?

>> No.11753822

>>11753758
Some of them do. I'm bookish, introverted, not great looking, short and scrawny, pale, and yet I've never had much trouble attracting girls. If you're good at making eye contact, attentive, humorful, and unafraid of rejection you'll do just fine even if you're ugly like me. That's why all the r9k whining on here has always confused me. In my experience women are turned off my muscly Chads. They find them too simple and obnoxious.

>> No.11753830

>>11753764
fpbp

>> No.11753835

>>11753821
>Where to meet one?

/r/books

>> No.11754216

>>11753758
women are not a single entity with unified taste

go outside and see them

>>11753817 nailed it

>> No.11754227

>>11753758
only if you're good looking

>> No.11754232

>>11753758
Women like guys who have interesting personalities (or are hot).

>> No.11754417

>>11753758
>>11753769
No, almost all across the board. They're mostly going to see Romanticism of that sort as uselessly naïve and prefer a guy to be more direct.

>> No.11754459

>>11753791
>>11754227
this now end the thread

>> No.11754541

>>11753802
Women don't like real romance.

They like fictional romance, because everything is always perfect, it is always just the right moment, the gorgeous, perfect picture of masculinity shows rare signs of emotion and fragility behind his rock-hard statuesque presence, while the woman is... well, a nobody with nothing about her that really stands out, because she is an author/reader self-insert that this ultimately superior (yet brooding and troubled) masculine man fawns over her and becomes even more impressive and passionate in his attempts to further impress her and win her over.

In reality, you are not the powerful, rich, bodybuilder supermodel prince from women's romance novels. You, an average dude at best, fawning over her and buying her tons of gifts and desperately trying to earn her respect just come off as, well, desperate and pathetic. It's one step away from calling her "milady" and kissing her hand or tipping your fedora.

In fiction, sure. Everything always works in fiction. Classic romance actually fits in fantasy-land. In reality, it's just awkward, and it's obvious that no one behaves like that, so you're clearly putting on an act and presenting yourself as not being socially successful, in fact drawing lots of strange looks and negative attention, lowering her social status by proxy.

>Women love romantic guys
Wrong, wrong, and wrong. Women love romantic characters in their media. In reality, they love guys who treat them casually and see themselves as superior to her, because it indicates social acceptability/success and the potential to increase her social standing.

>> No.11754643

>>11753817
What if I'm actually the second definition of both terms?

>> No.11754684

Some of them do, but none of those would like you

>> No.11754725

>>11753758
No. Nobody does.

>> No.11754733

>>11753791
I'm both but also bookish and introverted and have no friends

>> No.11754747

>>11754733
> doesn't come to /lit/ meetups
> complains he has no friends
wew lad

>> No.11754796

we should do a /lit/ nyc meetup

>> No.11754854

>>11753758
Yes, good ones do. Though from experience, the meetings are rare. The logistics are stacked against many chances.

>> No.11754874

>>11753758
Women seek men of power, in both physical and intellectual ways. If you are an intellectual with some sort of social standing, then you are allowed to get a gf.

>> No.11754875

>>11754796
NYC Meetup WHEN
YC Meetup WHEN
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Meetup WHEN
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WHEN
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>> No.11754877

It goes money>looks>personality
So if you're a rich bookish guy then yes women will like you. If you're a handsome bookish guy then women will also like you.
What i'am trying to say is you being bookish and introverted dosen't really matter in the world of seeking womens approval

>> No.11754887

>>11754877
Not anymore.

Personality is the tops.

Looks are substantial to a point.

Men with a lot of money like Elon Musk are single.

>> No.11754896

>>11753822

>In my experience women are turned off my muscly Chads. They find them too simple and obnoxious.

Yeah this. Women don't like arrogance. Confidence yes.

>> No.11754903

>>11754896
Yeah but women aren’t retarded either.

I mean let’s be honest, it’s all about how you present yourself. You’re lucky I’m doing what I’m doing over here, otherwise the women would reward shitty Behavior. They still kind of do, but it’s getting better

>> No.11754928

>>11754887
>Men with a lot of money like Elon Musk are single.
By their own choice, no doubt.

>> No.11754931

>>11754887
Yes, i'am sure men like Elon Musk are single because they just keep getting turned down ??????? Are you fucking high, at no poin in the history of the world has social status not been king when it comes to picking up a mate

>> No.11754939

>>11753822
>attentive
I don't want to be a girls bitch so nah. Otherwise solid advice.

>> No.11754941

>>11753758
Yes, but they are never approached by them

>> No.11754944

>>11754903
my girlfriends always did sort of reward shitty behavior. Like if id get drunk and push them away, or start a fight, or cheat, theyd cry and yell at me the next day, but then they were weirdly attentive to me for a while after, like increasingly attracted.

Nowadays i am just alone, which is where i belong tbqh

>> No.11754958

>>11754931
>>11754928
This is just sad you guys. You are the Darwinists? The ones who glorify male dominance by either social status in hierarchies or money? Can’t you feel these things are losing importance as we move into the new era? I mean, can’t you SEE that? Are you that blind?

Haha, wow. Please tell me you aren’t the “”””trans humanists”””””” either... Holy cringe

>> No.11754959

>>11754944
Ofc that’s going away.

>> No.11754961

>>11753821
W-where do you live?

>> No.11754964

>>11754959
what's going away?

>> No.11754986

>>11753821
>where to meet a bookish man

Cafes and bookstores. If youre actually a femanon, just remember that all these lonely anons are waiting for you to walk up to them just as much as you are waiting for them to walk up to you

Honestly everybody seems to have the same perspective here. Theyre afraid of disturbing everyone but they certainly understand that if they have to make the first move, they have to disturb someone. There is no other way around it besides waiting for someone to disturb you

>> No.11754994

>>11753802
No, just no.
Romance is dead. Women fall for bullshit from chads, not bookish romantics.

Try reading a poem to a modern harlot, she'll laugh in your face unless you're 6'2" and ripped in muscle.

>> No.11755000

>>11754994
Cringeeeeeeeee

>> No.11755012

>>11754994
I wrote poetry for a girl I liked and she hung it on the wall, and I'm in no way conventionally attractive.

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>>11755000
Doubly so to you, my good man.
Nice digits though.

>> No.11755023

>>11755012
how long did you know her before giving her the poetry

>> No.11755029

>>11753758
No

>> No.11755032

>>11754994
i find girls really like reading poetry. Like more than most guys i know, i have a handful of guys i show my poetry to, but any of the random girls ive been with have always liked reading it. My poetry is soft and gay so that might be why.

I also dont mind being laughed at because i laugh at my own writing a lot, because well it is ridiculous

>> No.11755038

>>11755012
>she hung it on her wall
my mom hangs my poetry on the fridge, big deal.

>> No.11755041

>>11755016
Not to me, because I know the truth. Everyone is cringing at these people because they are espousing the false version of reality
>>11755016
>>11754994
>>11754931

That guy who posted about the cafe or whatever is pretty smart

>> No.11755045
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>>11755038

>> No.11755060

>>11755023
We've been talking for a few months, around 4 or 5 I'd say.

>> No.11755101

>>11755060
In what context did you give her the poetry? Sorry for questions but I need data to calibrate my social calculus b/c autism

>> No.11755105

>>11754796
please

>> No.11755120

>>11755101
She sent me a poem she wrote for me, so I thought it'd be appropriate to respond her in kind.

>> No.11755122

>>11755032
Men need substance. If you're showing a man a poem, he's looking for deeper meaning. What is the intended idea the poem is centered around? Is this an original and thought-provoking idea? Is it a poignant observation or analysis that is often overlooked? Perhaps it is meant to reveal or provide a glimpse into a darker or hidden element of our society that we wear smiles and masks to hide...
These are the things men want in poetry, if they are the type of men who care enough to analyze it and actually try to "taste" the different "flavours" mixed together as they consume the poem.

Average women love poetry wholesale, even if it's shallow tripe, because they love the *fact* that it is poetry, and the *idea* of "liking poetry" implies that you are emotionally intelligent, thoughtful, and a "deeper person". When it comes to the kind of poetry women love, they like pretty words and flowery language that provides an element of surface-level beauty. But they only want that beauty. They don't care about ugly things like "social commentary" or "religious metaphor" or "deeper underlying irony". Reading between the lines is something they find too hard to bother learning, so they don't really need to look into a poem. If it sounds pretty, then they like it, which means they like poetry, which means they can tell everyone they like poetry for extra female social-status points. They consume a poem in one gulp and always say it tastes "good".

Once in a while you'll meet a thoughtful woman who actually likes to analyze poetry, break it apart, put it back together, and understand that a poet/author chooses every single word carefully, placing them each in a precise order, for a specific reason. A sentence may convey the same surface-level information no matter how you phrase it or rearrange the words, but an avid gourmand of poetry will look at the exact way the author chose to arrange the words in that sentence, then analyze it to understand exactly what the author was trying to convey by wording the sentence the way they did. For instance:
>I remember...
and
>I still remember...
Both mean the same thing on the surface, someone remembers something. But deeper, that word "still" has HEAVY implications of longing, nostalgia, it places a sense of timeline, of determination either through a passion that can't be doused or a spite that won't be tamed. It whispers under its breath: "...And nothing you can do will make me forget". If you find a girl who can actually understand what makes good poetry good and bad poetry bad, don't fucking let her go.

>> No.11755124

>>11755120
yeah, you see that's a hell of a lot different than going up to a girl and giving her a poem. Crucial piece of information.

>> No.11755127

>that guy in the thread who literally thinks he has a bigger chance at getting a woman than Elon Musk because a girl didn't instantly trash his poem

>> No.11755134

>>11755124
I see your point. However, I did dedicate her another poem later on, although it wasn't written by me.
I was about to leave town for a couple of weeks and left on my farewell I left her another poem, specifically, Shakespeare's 17th sonnet, because it fit my feelings for her. She was very appreciative of it, and lamented not having a poem of her own to give me.

>> No.11755148

>>11755122
>they like pretty words and flowery languag
literally all i do in my poems. its like mystical and stuff at times but the point is always just 'make a pretty thing', the mystic stuff is just beauty in a different way. My understanding of religion is extremely shallow because it is centred around beauty.

I sometimes wonder if my mind is somehow a girl's mind. I also listen to female pop music all the time, and am just sort of soft. I have no body dysmorphia though, i have a fairly masculine body and am content in it.

>> No.11755164

>>11755122
Thank God, I thought I was just an idiot every time I reread a verse looking for a deeper meaning, and refusing to move on to the next poem until I knew for sure what the author meant.

>> No.11755171

>>11754986
>>11755041
>That guy who posted about the cafe or whatever is pretty smart

Yeah I give that advice but then its even difficult for me to follow, and the reason its hard to act on are the little thoughts that those other anons have probably had as well. They just reacted differently to it

>> No.11755172

>>11755148
You should probably look into becoming gay, or at least experimenting. Even the average "bookish" or "intellectual" girl will think you're gay, and still prefer a higher degree of obvious maculinity for partners.

That, or, define your masculinity through your power of intellect and artistry. Refine your poetry, don't be afraid of burying deeper meanings within it. Make your poetry actually SAY something of substance, instead of just talking pretty words. If you show a girl a poem and you're like "isn't it pretty?" and she's like "omg SO pretty!", you will fucking erase her panties once you start to explain how the poem is not just pretty, but breaks down the idea of "pretty", showcasing the beauty of everything we know about how we look at things, especially things that we might take as "ugly" at first glance. Once girls (who are interested in such aristic things) see that you have a deeply thoughtful artistic element behind your writing, once they see that your poems actually have your SOUL in them, they will not just find your poetry pretty - they will find it awe-inspiring, and see you as a brooding artistic genius full of endless beauty within your mind, instead of just some guy with a girly mind that likes pretty things because they're pretty.

>> No.11755174

>>11753758

They do if men tell them to.

>> No.11755201

>>11755172
i cant be with anyone right now because im really really fucked up, but in the past girlfriends would occasionally comment that i was a bizarre mix of femininity and masculinity, because I am masculine in some ways, like I fight people, but I dont think it turned them off. My favorite activity with girls is drinking and listening to music with them, there would be no point being with them if i couldnt do that.

I understand what you're saying I guess. Artistic depth. Im not deep i guess. Even when Im reading stuff like Tolstoy or listening to Handel or something, it is always just about very basic feelings of beauty or love.

>> No.11755221

>>11754887
keep telling yourself that lmao, money lost its importance but looks>personality all day everyday

>> No.11755229

>>11754994
romance was always dead, but chad used to write shite poetry back in the day

>> No.11755241

>>11753758
This comes down to two things: money and looks. If you have one of them, you can do many things and rise high in life, if you have both, you could rise high above your lowliness. If you are average in both or poor, then I’d say you need something more.

Also, please don’t ever say
>but women love romance

Big yikes

Also using yikes is a big yikes

>> No.11755250

>>11755241
>Big yikes
>Also using yikes is a big yikes
Shouldn't have laughed but did.

>> No.11755264

>>11753758
Women love all different sorts of guys just like men love blondes brunettes tall or petite women flamboyant or quiet etc. It aint any different for women as long as you're good looking have money or social status. You could be a quiet philosopher or a quarterback but you need at least one of those qualities. Just like you dont give a shit if the girl is blonde or black if shes hot and nice.

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>>11753758
For the most part, no, just like with any particular type of guy. I feel like it's mostly the hyper-extroverted beta females who go for the introverted guys. Remember the chatty bookworm sluts that you hated in high school? Those.

>> No.11755305

If you're rich she won't care how bookish and introverted you are.

>> No.11755315

>>11753758
Make eye contact with them for a second or two and see how they react, and see if they look again a little while later

That will tell you. Try to be optimistic

>> No.11755340

What the fuck are you even supposed to say to someone when you walk up to them to see what theyre about

If youre in a bookstore, at a cafe, at a music show. All of these events

The only thing I can think of is a girl walking up to a guy at a music show and asking for a cigarette

>> No.11755356

>>11755305
Cringe

>> No.11755393

>>11755340
Nothing. You die alone. When people are attracted to each other they make it easy to be intimate with each other, they naturally gravitate closer and look for opportunities to talk.

If people don't notice you they are not interested. At best if you are forceful they may settle but it will never last or be meaningful.

>> No.11755430

haha no

>> No.11755437

>>11755393
Christ man, why you gotta be so real on the weekend, leave the soul crushing loneliness for monday

>> No.11755494

>>11755393
>When people are attracted to each other they make it easy to be intimate with each other

This thread is proof that this isnt true

>> No.11755496

women don't want to be loved or love once they hit puberty.

>> No.11755501

>>11755494
Are you ignoring that faggot London binge eater that posts his BS sob story every day here? Face it, we are all coping with each other.

>> No.11755503

>>11753758
>>11753769
they like them as friends, but you arent getting laid

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>>11753758
You can be whatever you want personality-wise if you're what pic related states.

>> No.11755526

>>11753758
If they are rich and have big dicks

>> No.11755529

>>11755122
Fucking kill yourself.

>> No.11755538

>>11755522
a lot of the times when you hear things like "he's gotta be hot and rich" from girls (at least the ones I know) they are being facetious or partially joking. most girls (that I know) aren't arrogant enough to put those things first. but you guys can believe anything you want.

>> No.11755539

Depends on the woman

>> No.11755546

>>11755522
those are all a little tongue in cheek obviously, and men are guilty of the same. so many guys will drop everything and change their personalities and values for an attractive woman's attention it is a natural wonder to witness in real time

>> No.11755554

>>11755501
>When people are attracted to each other they make it easy to be intimate with each other

This is wrong because of this thread because all of the anons here are attracted to other people, but dont make it easier for opportunities.

>> No.11755566

>>11755546
Average men do everything and lose their dignity in order to catch the attention of below average girls, it's a shameful display.

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>>11753758
No.

>> No.11755569

>>11755538
These are jokes. Even if there is some truth in it, you shouldnt be basing how you live on this pathetic evidence

>> No.11755577

>>11755538
social status is a function of both wealth and emotional intelligence, and it's by far the most important part of attractiveness for women. You can't just be rich, or just be hot. They're useful but you have to incorporate them in a viable social image.

>> No.11755579

>>11755569
woops

>>11755538
Meant to reply to
>>11755522

>> No.11755581

>>11755554
The attraction has to be mutual obviously. A magnet only attracts a magnetic object. Doesn't matter how shy you are, if two people are interested it just happens naturally.

>> No.11755586

>>11754541
I bet this guy's skin is pure blood red.
It's hard to listen to the truth. This is the shit men spend their whole lives denying. Read 'To Stay Alive' and keep your dreams to yourself.

>> No.11755589

>>11755577
>emotional intelligence

what is this

>> No.11755600

>>11755581
>tfw no one has ever been attracted to me
At least I have my PhD. It makes me cringe, but I think I'd be happier if I could become one of those braindead rick and morty fans who love science! At least I'd be authentic in it.

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>>11755581
>A magnet only attracts a magnetic object.

Just stop

>> No.11755608

>>11755589
not being autistic

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>>11755600
I was very popular up until 10th grade or so, the change is surreal. It was so natural to just have people and girls to just sort of end up together without either being the "approacher"

If things aren't falling into place naturally it's just not going to work.

This dude is the opposite of my experience, total loser who became chad and can't deal with how arbitrary emotional attachment becomes. He talks alot about having a "deep" conversation with a girl and they always say they love him after, as if it's a revelation to them that he's hot and human, when they obvious don't know what love is.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FxhwB6MJUSk

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FxhwB6MJUSk

>> No.11755655

>>11755634
The way he talks seems very dishonest, he rolls his eyes a lot

>> No.11755679

>>11755655
I know of him personally and he really was fucked up. He's a former pro fighting game player and legit weeb. He talks alot about people not being able to think he is genuine because of how he looks now.

"Becoming the best clayton I could be ruined my life"

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11755744

Do women like 5'10" guys?

>> No.11755753

>>11755744
maybe if they are 9 years old or something

>> No.11755792

>>11755679
I dont mean how he looks besides his eyes and expressions, is that what you meant? Its just his way of talking about his family killing themselves, things like that. Hell put it off with a wry smile which makes me wonder what he thinks about what hes talking about. That could be his way of coping with it but, I dont know, seems strange

>> No.11755799

>>11755744
Women dont care about height like you think they do and lets be real you are not going to approach a woman who is taller than you anyway. How you care about height has far more of an impact on your future relationships then how these women care about it

>> No.11755807

>>11754541
redpilled

>> No.11755809

>>11753758
Only if they are good looking

>> No.11755820

>>11755792
I think it's just the cali surfer dude way of talking. He definitely has an ego like all fighting game dudes but he isn't arrogant in the way people perceive him to be arrogant.

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>>11755122
>an original and thought-provoking idea
this whole post is such shit. good lord.

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>>11755820
Halo effect in motion Tbh, if he looked like Jsanza you would call him an irredeemable piece of shit.

>> No.11755838

>>11755792
Lmao not laighing at the abaurdities of life is pure autism, when i tell someone the most wretched shit ive been through i lol hard at it

>> No.11755852

>>11755820
I've grown up and currently live in LA. That is not the casual sincere chya dude way of talking. A cali surfer dude doing that is up to something, as in putting on an act

Again I dont know

>> No.11755863

>>11755834
He used to look like Jsanza though and that's how I remember him. He was a fucking smelly autist guilty gear player like the rest of them who took shit too personally, but people did take credit for his combo vids and shit. all i'm confirming is he was an ostracized dude who is now very popular and he recognizes how arbitrary it all is because he's pretty much the same guy personality wise.

I didn't know about his dad killing himself or anything though.

>> No.11755865

>>11753758
Yes, but you have to actually be attractive, faggot.

>> No.11755866

If they're attractive in most respects.

If not, no.

>> No.11755868

>>11755122
>Is this an original and thought-provoking idea?
Yikes
>"social commentary" or "religious metaphor" or "deeper underlying irony"
>that word "still" has HEAVY implications of longing
How's high school English class going?
>who can actually understand what makes good poetry
Maybe wait until you get an fucking clue first

The shitty woman-bashing is just the icing on the cake with this dreadful post.

>> No.11755871

>>11755838
It doesnt seem to just be laughing at yourself to get away from what youre talking about. That would be someone getting into the thought to fool themselves. They would look like theyre laughing

They wouldnt look like they quickly do a laugh, to look like a laugh, and then quickly look back because they arent actually laughing

>> No.11755875

>>11754541
>they love guys who treat them casually and see themselves as superior to her
but why would a guy court a woman he sees as being inferior?

>> No.11755884

>>11755875
They are larping and women are easily fooled. The amount of fake chads who do shit like fart in front of the girls they like just to show how "confident" they are is so obviously an act but it does fool girls if they are somewhat attracted in the first place.

>> No.11755885

>>11755875
because sex is sex

>> No.11755897

>>11755871
What

>> No.11755903

No

>> No.11755905

>>11755884
>>11755885
but the comment in question is written as the perspective of a women: she is the one who thinks of the man as thinking he is superior to her. Why would a woman be attracted to a man who she thinks he thinks is superior to her?

>> No.11755911

>>11755897
If someone is trying to laugh at something to hide it, they arent trying to put on an act. They want to fool themselves. So theyll go through the motion of what theyre doing, versus, someone putting on an act who is only doing this thing to fool others but not themselves. There is less of an incentive to go through the motion, because it is easier to fool others than yourself. You can get away with half-assing with others

>> No.11755913

>>11755905
>Why would a woman be attracted to a man who she thinks he thinks is superior to her?

Because again it indicates that in reality he IS and dating him lets her climb the social latter. She doesn't care about love, she cares about snagging a guy out of her league because it makes her look good and presumably he's attractive.

>> No.11755927

>>11755905
Oh I misread that

I wouldnt buy what that anon is saying, but nearly all women I know have insecurity as a central part of their life. Many of them enter, and stay, in relationships only because it relives that insecurity. That could be just anyone will do because they dont want to be alone, to numerous other things, like wanting a "superior" person who is always optimistic, cheerful, and confident to distract them from their own miserable, pessimistic, neurotic selves

Im not saying all women are miserable, pessimistic, and neurotic, but I have met a few where their insecurity shows up in this way. Its no different than a male incel

>> No.11755928

My gf does. She loves the fact I'm constantly reading and studying and learning new languages. We're planning on getting married soon.

>> No.11755932

Hypothetical question here, if I was recently in a large mandatory presentation, where the presenter asked the audience if they thought the e person sitting next to them should have kids, and my attractive co-worker sitting on my right laughed, is that a good or a bad sign as to my chances?

>> No.11755976

depends who was sitting on her right

>> No.11755977

>>11753758
Mmm i wanna tie up and torture every cute shy introverted bookish guy there is... i wanna tease their naked writhing thighs with feather dusters, make them groan into their saliva-soaked gags, see them beg fruitlessly with betrayed puppy eyes

>> No.11755983

>>11755977
Fags are evil

>> No.11755989
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>>11755977
>fags
>on my /lit/

>> No.11755990

>>11755977
Are you a boy

>> No.11756003

Romance is overrated, I prefer sentimentality. Not a chick btw, that's how I aspire myself to be seen.

>> No.11756008

All men with girlfriends have at least two of these three: Height, face and frame. Their job, interests, personality, etc. mean nothing as long as they have two of those three things- and it should be noted that face reigns supreme among them. Women don't give a fuck whether you're bookish or not, just like men don't give a fuck whether a girl is bookish or not.

>> No.11756016

>>11755977
This is hot

>> No.11756017

>>11755868
I found the woman.

>> No.11756019

>>11756017
I was just waiting for someone to post this.

>> No.11756023

>>11755868
>yikes she said as she saw my penis unfold before her face
>fortunately her exclamation left her mouth tantalizingly agape

>> No.11756033

>>11755792
Didn’t seem that strange to me

>> No.11756035

>>11753758
Yes, but it has to be from passion, not dilettantism. Women can sniff the latter out as well as anyone else, and I see all too many tryhard dilettantes fail because they loudly talk about /lit/core books everyone knows they should have read.

If you have real interests, though, then it will show. You will be talking about authors and ideas most people *haven't* heard of, and that will be perceived as a real sign of passion (and not just putting on airs).

>> No.11756045

>>11756019
Congratulations, you got yourself caught. What's the next part of your master plan?

>> No.11756046

If they're fun to be around then yeah. Reading books means you have more stories to tell than the average guy, use that to your advantage.

>> No.11756048

>>11755983
>>11755989
>>11755990
How did you know?

>> No.11756058

>>11756045
To reveal that I'm actually a heterosexual male with a bigger dick than you.

Just because I dislike shallow attempts to define masculinity in contrast with a completely vacuous strawman definition of femininity in literary perception, doesn't mean I must therefore be a woman.

>> No.11756067

>>11756058
Yeah I doubt it, let's see a pic

>> No.11756073

>>11756067
You want a picture of my dick? I just said I was hetero, pal - I'm not interested.

>> No.11756078

>>11756073
coward

>> No.11756085

>>11753758
>>11753769
Those are feminine traits. You want a woman to be shy, introverted, well read in entertaining topics and romantic to be able to get her heart with kitsch.

Men should be dominate, extroverted (at least to a degree), crafty and stoic.

You might not like this but this is what peak sexual dimorphism looks like. Stop acting like a sissi and make yourself a man.

>> No.11756093

>>11756067
>oh, how can someone hate women less than me, he better post a self-pic to this notoriously cruel imageboard

Always a cop-out. I guess he can be whatever you want. Surprisingly, though, it turns out that some of us bookish types are consistently getting laid, and the trick is we just don't hate women.

(The other trick may be that we are actually intelligent, instead of desperately trying to reimagine our social-retardation as intelligence itself)

>> No.11756097

>>11756085
Extraversion is a feminine trait

>> No.11756101

>>11753758
Only if they're also enigmatic and intelligent (requires non whiny/nasally voice too).

>> No.11756103

>>11753758
No.

>> No.11756105

>>11756085
You spend your nights browsing 4chan, you're not Clint Eastwood and you never will be, sissy boy.

>> No.11756109

>>11756093
Alright, I'll bite. Who's your favorite author?

>> No.11756111

>>11756109
Cormac McCarthy, Herman Melville, Bear Grylls

>> No.11756112

>>11756111
mate...

>> No.11756123

>>11756111
wew

>> No.11756124

>>11755875
Because the biological value in men is beeing a protector and profider, which a higher social status is a good indicator for. Women on the other hand fullfill the role of mothering and birthing, of which beaty is the best indicator (waist-to-hip-ratio, titties, clear skin, thick hair, ...). Therefore women don't need a high social status to be seen as top tier mating material, while a men can never truly hold a women simply by looks, as beeing "pretty" is not his evoutionary main role.

>> No.11756132

>>11756109
I'd say Calvino is my favorite author, but I don't read much fiction period because I'm not a child.

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>>11754541
You're headed in the right direction, but you've gone too far and wandered right off Blackpill Cliff into Nihilism Lake, smacking yourself into numerous tree branches of pessimism on the way down. An overwhelming majority of people, including women, derive more enjoyment from others liking them than actually liking others. Most people prefer to be around people that find them funny rather than those they find funny, for example.

Demonstrating that you enjoy having someone in your life drives them to want to stay there. While it is true that you should never indicate you are dependent on their presence, your post implies you shouldn't do anything to show you're even happy that they're there. Being romantic means you're a good enough fit for her that you know what she'll like AND that you like her enough to do it; it's when beta guys fuck it up by emulating fiction like you said that shows you may like her enough, but you're not a good fit for her and she is turned off.

>tl;dr Romance is perfectly fine in a healthy relationship

>> No.11756142

>>11756132
>author
>immediately starts yapping on about fiction

>> No.11756144

>>11756124
women have a dual mating strategy, one set of guys for impregnation, one set for providing. men obviously dont like this so there is an elaborate set of defenses both sexes have evolved to deal with this dynamic

>> No.11756146

>>11755875
Any reasonably minded man will ultimately view all women as inferior because it's the truth. Beauty will always win out over brains in regards to females because women don't need brains to be high value in the eyes of men. If anything brains are a hindrance.

>> No.11756149

>>11755522
Are you stupid? You're taking 8 tongue-in-cheek tweets from nameless, faceless internet thots as gospel? Women don't even know what they want in ideal circumstances, and you're taking their word for it THERE?

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>>11756105
I'm actually a married woman (non-male). There is no reason in beeing salty about simple biology and dimorphism of the sexes. Most young guys mix up the traits they find attractive in women and simply thing having them themselves will make them just as attractive. Which makes them look and act effeminate. I dated a couple /lit/ guys and after the "wew, nice new toy" couple days it was just boring beyong measure. They also never really gotten their shit together family-wise so def no long-term material if it already looks like I would need to work while preggo to pay for us both. This makes him evolutionary worthless, just like beeing an infertile post wall spinster.

The nearest bookish guy I would date would be Dr Jackson (show, not movie) from Stargate. And he's def peak aesthetics and quite chaddy.

>> No.11756155

>>11756142
Yes, because nobody who reads nonfiction would refer to their "favorite authors", because it's not their ability to write which is at the top of your mind. It's apparent that if you're asking for favorite authors you're already a brainlet, but if you don't believe me, start a "favorite authors" thread and see how much braindead /lit/core lists you get from 18-22 year olds.

>> No.11756159

>>11756154
>Expecting us to believe this
Holy fuck this place has gone to shit in terms of wit

>> No.11756160

>>11756144
Sure, so have guys. A set of women to get offspring (mary like in behaviour and deeds) and another set of women they like to do the most degenerate things with. And women have just as much evolved to deal with it, best known as putting everything out before marriage and falling back into the mother role and no-sex life afterwards.

Both sexes want everything in one person which is impossible, so they fake it.

>> No.11756163

>>11756155
If you can't appreciate efficient use of style in nonfiction then I'm sorry but you're gonna have to leave this board, maybe come back once you get a degree.

>> No.11756164

>>11756159
Come on faggot, /lit/ and /adv/ are pretty much full of women.

>> No.11756177

>>11756160
>Both sexes want everything in one person which is impossible, so they fake it.
pretty much. there is a lot of deceit, of self and others in relationships

>> No.11756244

>>11755928
this is the best post in this thread

>> No.11756245

>>11756154
you don't really sound like a woman, but what you're saying is true. women do the same thing, acting aggressive and distant, because that's what the guys they like are like. the sexes are hilariously memed right now, it is a circus out there

>> No.11756266

>>11753758
Only if they are BLACK.

>> No.11756273

Why is this /r9k/ thread still up?

>> No.11756276

>>11756266
based self hating white poster

>> No.11756284

>>11756245
Well, if I would sound and act like the average woman I wouldn't be here in the first place.

I think sexual hormones through hormornal birth control (which are shown to change sexes in aquatic animals and make human offspring more likely to be homosexual) also influences the psyche of the sexes. Further it has been shown that behaviour matters. When women dress more feminine, men act more like actual "gentlemen" towards them and feel a higher desire to be masculine. When women fall for androginity memes because fashion designers are degenerate faggots, men will not see them as fragil females but unisex blobs, making them less likely to behave distinctivvly male. What we get is a fully fucked up society.

And last but not least I would recommend "Biohistory" by Penman. It's about how epigenetical changes through societal "wellbeeing" influences the potential for sexual distinctivness and even the probability of war through. It's such a deep topic but sadly non of it gets talked about because we're already to deep down spiraling into another Weimar.

>> No.11756309

>>11756276
I might be a self hating white, but at least my wife's sons will not be ;-)

>> No.11756310

>>11756284
>Biohistory" by Penman
potentially interesting ty. And sure, atypical, but there are in fact a lot of women posters on 4chan and whenever they out themselves it is sort of obvious that they are women by how they write. You have none of the tells but this is anonymous so who cares.

>> No.11756312

>>11756155
art is not for drones

>> No.11756321

>>11756309
absolutely based anon, you can transcend your original sin- racism, through martyring yourself-evolutionary failure, in an action of love towards a beleaguered people-black people, that will sanctify all of humanity, you basically are Jesus, which is what all this is right. Christianity except everybody is Jesus and heaven is going to come on earth not in the next life.

>> No.11756335

>>11756310
It's really just a matter of time. I'm here for far too long and pretty fucked up having spend puberty on Ogrish.com.

And regarding Biohistory, you can get the PDF on their homepage for free. There is also a more academic version, if you're into it.

https://www.biohistory.org/shop/biohistory-decline-fall-west-ebook/

>> No.11756349

>>11756335
i am simply not going to not check out a book that combines the ideas of decline of the west and evolutionary biologoy, those are two of my obsessions

What do you mean by a more academic version, a textbook or something

>> No.11756360

>>11756164
No theyre not

>>11756284
This is some cringe larping my dude

>> No.11756375

>>11756349
>those are two of my obsessions
Truly patrician.

If you're by any change german speaking check also out "Söhne und Weltmacht. Terror im Aufstieg und Fall der Nationen" by Heinsohn. It's making a point about how birth rates, especially of males, lead to conflict and war. But it's also getting partially picked up by Penman.

The academic version has more numbers and deeper insights as well as explanations where the popular version simply tastes the facts. They are both up there for free.

>> No.11756389

>>11756321
Actually my wife and I are planning to have several baby girls so future generations of BLACK males will have white women they could BLACK. The plan is to make her pregnant, and if we realize the baby is male we abort it, and if it is a girl we keep it. We will keep doing it several times until we have at least 3 white girls. I feel so sorry for my wife as she will have to stop being BLACKED for the few months I get her pregnant, as I want to be 100% sure the baby girls will be white. It is a sacrifice she has to make.

>> No.11756401

>>11756375
good stuff will check out then, and no no German.

>> No.11756407

>>11756389
this is a luminous vision of cuckoldry i congratulate you on your artistic depth and metaphysical commitment

>> No.11756409

>>11756401
Here is the short sumary:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gunnar_Heinsohn#Youth_bulge_and_lack_of_fertility

>> No.11756425

>>11753835
>Harry Potter everywhere
Fuck no

>> No.11756431

>>11753758
If you are handsome with money and can carry a conversation it's a plus, you're more intersting otherwise no

>> No.11756435

>>11753758
only if they have money and are good looking and dont sperg desu

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>>11753835
wow so profound

>> No.11756636

>>11756284
If you're a man fuck off. If you're an autistic girl then fuck off as well, your kind are way worse than normie women. Stone cold emotionless hobgoblins.

>> No.11757057

>>11753758
ha ha, no

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>>11756636
The only thing worse than roastieposting is /r9k/ getting butthurt by even the posibility of non retarded women crumbling their believe system.

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>>11755122
>What is the intended idea the poem is centered around? Is this an original and thought-provoking idea? Is it a poignant observation or analysis that is often overlooked?
>They don't care about ugly things like "social commentary" or "religious metaphor" or "deeper underlying irony".

HS-tier cringe, you wouldn't recognize proper literary criticism if if painted itself purple. Especially embarassing in the context of the self fellatio that is your post.

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Jesus fuck you incels, 200 replies and hardly anyone is telling the guy what is the only important thing.

1/2

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>>11757507
2/2

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>>11757507
>>11757510
And now you know.

>> No.11757524

>>11753769
That's even worse

>> No.11757528

>>11757510
>looks are personality
Of course, how you give yourself is the mirror of your personality. But most people, if at healthy weight and otherwise biologically fit, are good looking. Most people are ugly because of their diet, lack of exercise or taste of fashion. Sure, manlets and goblins exist, but they are mostly the product of miscegenation of non matching phenotypes or drugs.

Throughout my neo-boomer life I, 8/10, have seen like only a handfull of really ugly people, the others mostly only mirrored their character and health. So it's not really a "blackpill". People only need to get their shit together. Even chinlets are mostly due to a bad diet, see mewing. Attractivness matters because people can see everything which is evolutionary important about you at first sight.

>> No.11757535

>>11753758
It depends what you look like.

>> No.11757595

>>11753758
some do :)

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Most women's understanding of what "romantic" means has fuckall to do with the actual romantic movement, and more about the bastardisation of the word in the modern film industry and Jane Austen derivatives (though Austen was pretty damn good).

Lord Byron or bust

>> No.11757658

>>11756154
Holy shit, you don't even try to sound like a woman, shitty larp

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>>11756003
This.

>> No.11757944

>>11753758
You know what, op? This may come off as a surprise, but from my personal experience, I think they just might...
>my cute imouto grabs my arm
>"jeez onii, you're so bookish~~, why don't you ever play with me?"
>french kiss her for 10 minutes then princess carry her to bed
>drop her onto mattress while she exclaims "nyaa~~" as she bounces on it
>tug her in
>keep reading 2 books at the same time in preparation for next bookish people club meeting

>> No.11757966

>>11755201
I'm very much like you, honestly.

I personally get really obsessive over prose. If the prose isn't flowery and is really dry, then I can't get into it no matter how good the philosophical ideas of that work are. This is why I personally can't stomach Tolstoy, as his writing style is so matter-of-fact. If all I was wanted deep philosophy, I would read an actual non-fictional philosophical text. The role of fiction, I believe, is to go beyond reality and entrance the soul through wonder and whimsy. If deeper philosophical ideas are discussed within that work, great, but the work being beautiful and sublime is infinitely more important.

I've just come to accept at this point that I'm a sappy, effeminate man deep down despite the stoic image I project in public.

>> No.11757967

>>11757944
- imouto, suggestively - jeez oni, you're not gonna shove me onto a shelf like one of those many hard covers, won't you?

>> No.11758000 [DELETED] 

>>11755172
You’re a terrible person trying to push his own insecurities about his masculinity on to another man over the internet. Seriously reconsider the way you treat other people.

>> No.11758112

>>11753821
>tfw anon will never be your /lit/ gf

>> No.11758118

>>11753758
Is it possible to get a gf if youre in a boring near-poverty tier job with no prospects? I feel like whatever woman Id be with would resent me for not applying myself more.

>> No.11758120

>>11753758
i don't just like them, an introverted guy who reads is a requirement for a bf, for me at least

>> No.11758129

>>11755122
wtf I understand women now

>> No.11758133 [DELETED] 

>>11757966
>I've just come to accept at this point that I'm a sappy, effeminate man deep down despite the stoic image I project in public.
Not the anon that your replied to but if it's any consolation most of the young guys who like to think of themselves as being "stoic" are actually the opposite and are led around by their emotions constantly. Watch a "stoic" guy get into a talk about politics, for example. They unravel just like all the rest. There's so much emotion around these days... This is what happens when people make excuses to avoid doing serious introspective work on themselves because they;re too busy chasing down all the other people around them. It's a collective mania of self-avoidance.

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>>11754796
Fuck I wished I lived in NYC

>> No.11758177

i don't live in NYC but yes please have a meet up!

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>>11758133
Oh believe me, I'm not """"stoic"""" in the /pol/ sense of the word. I really just mean that in the sense that I'm apathetic and laid back towards everything, even under stressful circumstances. I also think political dick measuring is a waste of time. Despite this, I get incredibly emotional over artistic and natural beauty. I would go as far as to say that it's the only thing that can really provoke a strong emotional reaction from me.

Attempting to reconcile my feminine love of the sublime and melodramatic and my masculine indifference is a daily struggle for me-- Especially since we live in a world almost wholly lacking in any form of romanticism or sincerity.

>> No.11758191

>>11758118
Sure, it’s still possible. But if she’s worth keeping, she’ll want you to have ambition and strive to improve yourself professionally.

>> No.11758196

>>11758120
Are you a grill? If so, post feet

>> No.11758219

>>11754887
isnt elon musk dating grimes? and didnt he date someone even hotter before that?

>> No.11758236 [DELETED] 

>>11758219
Being hotter than Grimes isn't a difficult feat.

>> No.11758243 [DELETED] 

>>11758219
Being hotter than Grimes isn't a much of an accomplishment.

>> No.11758292

>>11758120
please fugg me

>> No.11758293

>>11755122
You're a faggot my guy

>> No.11758306

Are there even mods in this board? OP doesn't even pretend to be on-topic.

>> No.11758341

>>11754643
Then you're not falling into pussy left and right because of faults that stand aside from your introverted bookworkmism.

>> No.11758353

>>11758189
I saw the movie Saturday Night Fever at a young age (I'm younger than 25), and I found it really remarkable how it combined a glorified vision of late 70's pop culture with what is a really sentimental and tragic story of loss amidst all the glamour. The BeeGees were a kind of running joke in pop culture and maybe deservedly so for the gratuitously silly falsetto, but I feel that the film really captured something beautiful that not many people understood, that feels more advanced and relevant and 'ahead' than films from our own time.

In other words, I feel what you mean.

>> No.11758368

>>11758353
Not that guy but 70s movies feel really frank and nuanced compared to just about everything before or after, especially on the topic of sexuality. A relief from either the utopian or conservative moralism of the 60s or 80s, respectively.

>> No.11758382

>>11758189
>Attempting to reconcile my feminine love of the sublime and melodramatic and my masculine indifference is a daily struggle for me-- Especially since we live in a world almost wholly lacking in any form of romanticism or sincerity.
iktf. Its disgusting that cold-hard logic seems to have taken precedence over everything, but it also feels like emotionless logic should take precedence. As if the alternative is worse, but I just wish the alternative wasn't worse.

>> No.11758486

Some do, my gf for instance.
Her dad's a mathematics teacher and a flaming autist so perhaps it has something to do with that.

>> No.11758530

>>11758368
There was also a kind of flavor to the popular music then with a noticeably wide variety of folk influences, like how artists from the West coast might have clear traces of Spanish or American folk music all across their sound. That's not to say it's definitively better to have influences, but we really ought to stop viewing progress in any form as linear, because it gives us this odd sense that certain things are "doomed to the past", ignoring that those people were just as intelligent as us, did things for the same reasons we do, and were at one point acting in the present in a world that is no less true than our own. Don't you think it's uncanny how people view their ancestors like a different species entirely? How they view some goofy photo of your dad in the 80's like a snapshot of a diffeeent reality?

I hope this is coming across right. A while back, I read (but did not finish) All The King's Men by Robert Pen Warren, and there's a chapter-or-two long digression where the protagonist comes to learn about his two relatives who lived through the Civil War. One had lived an easy life, didn't fight in the war at all, and afterwards struck it rich on his own plantation with a long and filling life built off the misery of others, while his brother (or possibly cousin) Cass Mastern was a hopeless romantic that fell in love with a woman at university he couldn't date within the confines of society (she was some other man's lover I think), and suddenly the war broke out and he went off to fight for the confederates and he died, and that was it. The section ends by saying that no matter what, there's both types of man in the world and regardless of era they're really the same at the core. And since then I haven't put as much emphasis on time.

I never finished the book, but it's a really beautiful one and if you're interested in some kind of sentimental and sort of 'powerful' modern literature I would recommend it.

>> No.11758533

>>11753758
if you're hot it really doesn't matter

>> No.11758536

>>11758306
Cry harder faggot

>> No.11758563

>>11758353
The BeeGees were a great group though. Jive talkin was especially relevant.

>> No.11758574

>>11758563
Yeah, the soundtrack to that movie is fantastic, my favorite is Night Fever.

>> No.11758725

>>11758574
There's just something so inherently optimistic and innocently fun loving with some of there songs. It's a good feel. Probably not representative of the times as a whole since iirc early 70's had the oil crisis and stagflation along with rising urban crime.

>> No.11758742

>>11758530
Maria Muldaur is peak 70's music aesthetic though

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VlrKETxwRvM