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>In gnosticism, Sophia is a feminine figure, analogous to the human soul but also simultaneously one of the feminine aspects of God. Gnostics held that she was the syzygy (female twin divine Aeon) of Jesus (i.e. the Bride of Christ), and Holy Spirit of the Trinity.

You know, this actually makes sense. Why would there be a Father and Son, but no Mother/Wife?

>> No.11825509

>Even so did my mother, the Holy Spirit, take me by one of my hairs and carry me away on to the great mountain Tabor.
—Gospel of the Hebrews

>> No.11825521

>>11825508
The church is the feminine. Christ's bride

>> No.11825539

We replaced her with mary

>> No.11825844

>>11825508
>>11825509
Dumb gnostic ortho LARPers

>> No.11825851

>>11825508
Because God takes a masculine role with his Guidance.

Gnosticism is wrong

>> No.11825904

>>11825508
This would be a good fan theory if it weren't for the fact that Jesus expressly refers to the Holy Spirit with male pronouns (see John 14:17, 15:26, 16:13-14)

>> No.11825924

>>11825508
who give a shit if it was male or female.
The only value of being a female is to be fucked by a male. If the holy spirit was a female, then who fucked her? If none, then it is not a female.

>> No.11825929

>>11825508
I want to have sex with the holy spirit

>> No.11826296
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11826296

>lmao God has literal human gender hahaha
>bro the trinity must be sexually dimorphic
>fuck what if the holy ghost was this hot babe who gave you super powers *rips bong*

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>>11825508
>Gnostic sexualises an aspect of the faith for their own wierdo gratification

How original...

>I appeared in the cloud of the Hymen, in the silence, without my holy garment. With my will I honored my garment which has three forms in the cloud of the Hymen. And the light which was in the silence, the one from the rejoicing Power, contained me. I wore it. And its two parts appeared in a single form. Its other parts did not appear on account of the fire. I became unable to speak in the cloud of the Hymen, for its fire was frightful, lifting itself up without humility. And in order that my greatness and the word might appear, I placed likewise my other garment in the cloud of the silence. I went into the middle region and put on the light that was in it, that was sunk in forgetfulness and that was separated from the Spirit of astonishment, for he had cast off the burden.
>The winds, which are demons from water and fire and darkness and light, had intercourse unto perdition. And through this intercourse the winds received in their womb foam from the penis of the demons. They conceived a power in their womb. From the breathing the wombs of the winds girded each other until the times of the birth came. They went down to the water. And the power was delivered, through the breathing which moves the birth, in the midst of the practice. And every form of the birth received shape in it. When the times of the birth were near, all the winds were gathered from the water which is near the earth. They gave birth to all kinds of unchastity. And the place where the wind alone went was permeated with the unchastity. Barren wives came from it and sterile husbands. For just as they are born, so they bear.

>> No.11826437

>>11825508
Shut the fuck up. You're like a child.

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>>11825508

THE HOLY SPIRIT IS SEXLESS AND GENDERLESS, AS IS GOD; SOFIA IS AN AION, NOT THE HOLY SPIRIT, AND THE HOLY SPIRIT IS AKIN TO A GREAT PLACENTA WHICH PERMEATES ALL, FUNCTIONING AS AN AMNIOTIC MEDIUM.

>> No.11827737

i want to cum inside god

>> No.11827776

>>11825508
If you really wanted to dig for shit to justify your feminist faggotry you could've referred to the kike concept of the Shekinah.

>> No.11827789

>all these tradcath larpers trying and failing to BTFO B A S E D gnotisticism
Never gonna happen twitter larpers

>> No.11827797

>>11827789
>Gnosticism
>based
Maybe if you're 12 and it's your first foray into esotericism.

>> No.11827806

>>11827797
*crack* Gnosticism? Nah, too new age for me, I’ll stick with the old workhorse *sips*

>> No.11827814

>>11827806
Boomer memes are npc-core.

>> No.11827818

>>11827814
As is Gnosticism.

>> No.11827820
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>>11825508
>You know, this actually makes sense.

>> No.11827831

>>11827818
I would argue Gnosticism is the least NPC belief desu

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>>11827818
>The esoteric elitist religion that believes that some are npcs is npc-core

>> No.11827839

>>11827831
>I would argue [meme_belief] is the least [meme_insult] belief desu

>> No.11828025
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The holy ghost is represented by the bird of Astarte the dove, who in early Christian times was called Sophia. >>11825539 has become a substitute, to keep the archetype of the family, as well as "in a supracelestial place" (Plato). Christ the bridegroom, the Church is the bride, the baptismal font the womb of the Church (Benedictio fontis). The holy water has salt with the idea of making like the amniotic fluid or sea water. Hieros gamos is performed on holy saturday before Easter, a burning candle as a phallic symbol plunged 3 times into the font for fertilization and lending power to bear the baptized child (quasimodo genitus). The "pontifex maximus" or "Papa" is just the mana personality or medicine man, the Church "mater ecclesia," or "magna mater" of magic power, and humanity are the children in need of grace.

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>tfw you will never be plato and jerk it to imagining rule 63 socrates

>> No.11828044

gnostics are BASED

>> No.11828059

>>11825508
In Proverbs wisdom is female and is present with God at the creation of the world.

>> No.11828062

>>11826296
love the pic

>> No.11828298

>>11826296
>God is genderless!
>But you need to refer to God in male pronouns or else you're a heretic!

realy makes u thonk

>> No.11828305

>>11826331
>Nicenes sexualises an aspect of the faith for their own wierdo gratification

really makes u thonk

>> No.11828312

>>11825508
>Catholics don't call Wisdom, "She"
>The Church isn't the bride of Christ
>Who is Mary, Queen of Heaven, Mother of God, Co-Redemptrix, New Eve, Our Lady of [_]?

>> No.11828320

>>11828312
>Bride of Christ can only be led by males

What did they mean by this?

>> No.11828328

>>11828320
>when priests are meant to act in persona Christi
>Christ is to marry His bride

>> No.11828336

>>11828328
And why couldn't (female) priests act in persona Maria?

>> No.11828338

>>11828336
Because Mary wasn't a priest lmao
We all should follow the spirit of Mary to help emulate Christ that much more, though

>> No.11828360

>>11828338
"Priest" just means "elder", in the sense of "a respect person who guides and nurtures their community." I think Mary would definitely fit that description. Then there are figures like St. Priscilla, who were clearly active leaders in the early church and probably helped organise and lead early church services.

>> No.11828362

>>11825508
>anthropomorphic abstraction of the concept of ethics is x
missing the point here

>> No.11828366

>>11828362
God and the Holy Spirit are more than just "abstractions of the concept of ethics"

>> No.11828375

>>11828360
>reductive
How about this:
Mary was not bestowed the power to administer the sacraments. That is what I mean by "priest," there are more qualities than that though.

Bud, I can defend my position and affirm your little corollaries; St Priscilla, the Virgin Mary, St. Joan of Arc are important women to the Christian faith and getting to do everything that men do in the Church (ordained men, so not even laymen are qualified, so keep that in mind) is not necessary to say that they are important.

>> No.11828380

>>11828366
yes, but in both my overly simplistic explanation and your wanting to include further complexity, the point still stands that it doesnt actually matter what gender the holy spirit is or if the holy spirit has a gender at all.

>> No.11828390

>>11828375
It's clear you have your opinions and I have mine. I feel any further discussion wouldn't be productive for either of us. I am however grateful you took the time to be respectful and informative. Have a nice day.

>> No.11828427

>>11828320
Catholics are gay.

>> No.11828462

Now my magic sky daddy has a magic sky mommy Yasss.

>> No.11828667

>>11825508
>In gnosticism, Sophia
Stopped reading there. Useless post.

>> No.11829277

This thread is awful. Read this instead:

http://gnosis.org/naghamm/sjc.html

>> No.11829337

>>11828375
>Joan
Her name is Jehanne, or Jeanne at the very least

>> No.11829617

Imagine how much better the world would be if the Christian God was female in canon

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>>11825508
>Gnostics

>> No.11830131

>>11827831
NPCs are just Hylikoi

Valentinus had it figured out

>> No.11830919

>>11825508
>In gnosticism,
lmao stopped reading there.

>> No.11830986

>>11829617
Christianity wouldn't have been able to become syncretic with mythology-based religions that have a patriarchal structure, so I doubt it would have been adopted in the Roman Empire as an accepted religion, let alone the official religion. Do you think that Constantine would have had the vision of God which lead to his adoption of Christianity after the Battle of the Milvian Bridge? A female Christian God would not have been easy to spread regardless of future syncretism being possible due to female deities generally being more passive/reserved in worship.

Also, if you think the Marian worship is bad now, try imagining it with a Mother part of the Trinity.

>> No.11831001

>>11825508
It's active, though, and not merely acted upon so masculine makes more sense.

>> No.11831009

>>11828305
>no u

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11831296

Plenty to go around boys. The line starts here. Don't trip over all that dogma spilled on the floor.

>> No.11831366

>>11825929
Technically, you already do