/lit/ - Literature

[Anonymous No.11931468]

Have these shitcunts ever written a book?

[Anonymous No.11931490]

>>11931468
I'm working on it

[Anonymous No.11931502]

yes

[Anonymous No.11931532]

>>11931468
a lot of them

[Anonymous No.11932911]

>>11931468
awwshityair.

even got the bugger published.

[Anonymous No.11932942]

>>11931468
writings for shitcunts and pooftahs

[Anonymous No.11933119]

>>11931468
Nick Cave. Not really recommending it, but he wrote one.

[Anonymous No.11933123]

>>11931468
R A N D O L P H

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[shouldIbecomeatripfag !gid88oxCtg No.11933186]

Not really...there are a few notable authors but this is so limited I'm gonna get bullied for picking 1 of the 5 good ones - and then I don't really have an alternative to choose from.

All we can do now is like this guy
>>11931490 and make the people forget Bryce Courtenay ever existed on this island.

[Anonymous No.11933207]

>>11931468
The aboriginal women used to write what today would be considered classics, but when the old, entitled white men arrived they destroyed everything

[Anonymous No.11933212]

Gerald Murnane has been a contender for the Nobel the past few years

[Boris Pizdetsovich Mandavoshki(...) No.11933240]

>>11933207
>implying an Australian has ever been able to read

[shouldIbecomeatripfag !gid88oxCtg No.11933339]

>>11933240
We have a small population and a culture which highly encourages non-academic work. Freedom of speech is fairly limited whether you be on the left or the right. We pay even less attention to our indigenous forebears than America. We operate as a republic, but people turn out in droves to see the British royal family. Finally, anyone here who creates something 'highbrow' is not likely to be compensated financially.

not making excuses but we trying our best :(

[Anonymous No.11933357]

>>11931468
They've written a lot of hoaxes including the original Angry Penguins

[Anonymous No.11933483]

>>11931468
tall poppy syndrome
also BASED AUSSIE BATLAS

[Anonymous No.11933495]

>>11931468
no, australians just get drunk and live off the government OY OY OY OY CUNT

[Anonymous No.11933709]

>>11933495
It's combination of subhuman Abo and even greater subhuman Irish DNA that creates the degeneracy.

[Anonymous No.11933737]

Bush poetry is decent, but it's not Western Canon tier

[shouldIbecomeatripfag !gid88oxCtg No.11933824]

>>11933737
agreed

[Anonymous No.11933948]

>>11933123
Are you from his fucking estate or what? I've seen you post this like 5 times now

[Anonymous No.11934269]

We wrote the longest novel ever written in the English language and it was over 1000 pages of some old white guy ranting about how evil white people are and they mistreat the Aborignes so badly.

[Anonymous No.11934440]

Australians on 4chan and foreigners talking about Australians on 4chan are basically reddit these days..

[shouldIbecomeatripfag !gid88oxCtg No.11934703]

>>11934440
not surprising. Why do u think expats give us such a bad reputation overseas.

[Anonymous No.11934868]

Only the greatest thing ever written

[Anonymous No.11934926]

No. I largely attribute this to two things.

>1. Being the dysgenic dumping ground of England's genetic refuse
>2. The lack of a major and abrupt identity forming event (like a war of independence) meant no real founding myth as a foundation for a national character

[Anonymous No.11934955]

[Anonymous No.11935032]

>>11934926
>2. The lack of a major and abrupt identity forming event (like a war of independence) meant no real founding myth as a foundation for a national character
>what is gallipoli

[shouldIbecomeatripfag !gid88oxCtg No.11935040]

>>11935032
thabk you

[Anonymous No.11935111]

>>11935032
>what is gallipoli
A military failure in a war that had nothing to do with Australia, that they entered in to only because they had yet to form any identity distinct from that of the British Empire, that has been spun in to a still-born attempt at fabricating what other nations have organically, decades after it happened.

[Anonymous No.11935263]

>>11935111
yeah we really got the short end of the stick, huh
the only culture we had was rooted in pastoralism, bushcraft and frontiermen

[shouldIbecomeatripfag !gid88oxCtg No.11935386]

>>11935111
http://www.nma.gov.au/online_features/defining_moments/featured/curtin-brings-home-troops

[Anonymous No.11935411]

>>11933212

Murnane is a fuckin monster.

I've been meaning to read Carpentaria by Alexis Wright for a while. Bush Studies by Barbara Baynton is a cool short story collection that kind of vibes southern gothic stuff.

[Anonymous No.11935515]

Deltora Quest was really fucking good for what it was

[Anonymous No.11935570]

Australian here. We have a toxic culture where academic endeavors are considered for gay cunts and all that matters is doing a trade, being a wannabe sickcunt and going to festivals.

I actually fucking hate Australia sometimes lads.

[Anonymous No.11935582]

>>11935570
I dislike it too but I dislike you more.
>toxic
>lads
die die die die die. Also you ignore the big bulk of middle class bourgeois retards who lick up ABC and the professional culture-priest class

[Anonymous No.11935583]

>>11932911
Struth what's the book ay?

[Anonymous No.11935593]

>>11935570
>tfw I’m an electrician, but still somewhat of an intellectual
Feels conflicting man. It’s nice being the smartest person regardless of who I am working with, but it’s not nice not having coworkers who think you’re a gay cunt for having audiobooks play through your Bluetooth speakers

[Anonymous No.11935612]

I like reading action movie tier books for entertainment now and again so i'd say Matthew Reilly.

[Anonymous No.11935657]

>>11935570
As much as I'm appreciative of the benefits of being Australian, it's impossible to deny that we are a godless culture. Our idea of a "spiritual experience" is dropping half a dozen LSD tabs in the bush whilst getting shitfaced and ranting about how "it's all a fucking joke, mate" before heading home back to your nasally wife and job building houses for Chinese investors.

Sometimes I secretly pray that coal prices tank or we experience the worst drought in 30,000 years just so we can appreciate what true suffering is like and actually fucking realise how ungrateful we've been.

[Anonymous No.11935684]

>>11935593
You sound like a hipster playing at being literate, no one wants to hear a fucking audiobook on a job site and especially not tradies. What is wrong with you?

[Anonymous No.11935720]

>>11931468
Yeah and a few blue songs too.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iwBR0qwHZBA

[Anonymous No.11935737]

>>11935684
My bad should clarify. I have audiobooks in playing in my car and people are surprised when I’m driving them.

[Anonymous No.11935742]

As an Australian, we have no good literature. Most of the population is retarded: either of the cheap beer variety or the craft beer persuasion. Literature needs an aristocracy of some kind, or American style educated landowners. We are bereft of both.

[Anonymous No.11935806]

This is the ONLY book on the shelf at Dymocks

[Anonymous No.11935807]

>>11935515
based

[Anonymous No.11935827]

Not high literature by any means but I really enjoyed Max & Murray

thank you to the anon here who recommended it

[Anonymous No.11935846]

>>11935612
my nigger, met him when I was a kid pretty based guy.

[Anonymous No.11935866]

>>11935657
This

[Anonymous No.11935880]

>huur why does australia have no "culture"
Cant believe brainlets are actually asking this question. White man only arrived 230 years ago. The land was still being colonized until the late 19th century. Australia wasn't even Australia until 19-fucking-01. Stupid americunts and eurotrash.

[Anonymous No.11935883]

Finnis is one of the most prominent legal theorists (natural law) alive. He supervised Neil Gorsuch in his PhD.

[Anonymous No.11935894]

>>11935657
what benefits?

[Anonymous No.11935897]

>>11935582
What is le right wing strayacunt man even doing on a literature board

[Anonymous No.11935904]

>>11935897
>implying half of /lit/ isn't right-wing Australians

[Anonymous No.11935909]

>>11935827
Do I have to buy this? Cant find (free) digital copies anywhere.

[Anonymous No.11935915]

>>11935880
The worst part is that Australia does have a culture. Australia has a unique and interesting culture just as "worthy" as any other nation. It's just that integral to that culture is being a self-deprecating cultural cringer.

[Anonymous No.11935916]

Germaine Greer. A simple thank you will suffice, world.

[Anonymous No.11935926]

>>11935827
So is Megg, Mogg and Owl

[Anonymous No.11935931]

Plenty
Just finished Romulus, My Father
Good read.

[Anonymous No.11935938]

>>11933948
im in the process of shilling and i wont stop

[Anonymous No.11935950]

>>11935909
I wasn't able to find it online, if you are in Brisbane I know Archives has it for $8 or so but its difficult to come across anywhere else

[Anonymous No.11936022]

Australian culture makes any meaningful contribution to literature from this country impossible

[Anonymous No.11936027]

Picnic at Hanging Rock is ok i guess

[Anonymous No.11936029]

>>11934440
people, for whatever reason, love pretending like they're bogans from north Queensland whenever they get to identify themselves as Australian. it's honestly just embarassing. you know none of them have ever spoken like that in their lives and are just playing stereotypes to impress the Big Strong Europeans and Americans. /sp/ is the only board where that kind of behaviour isn't tolerated and will get you relentlessly mocked by other Australians

[Anonymous No.11936031]

>>11935570
it's not perfect, but those attitudes also make Australia into a place that is better than other countries in a lot of regards

[Anonymous No.11936049]

>>11935897
Which post are you talking about

[Anonymous No.11936070]

>>11935657
>As much as I'm appreciative of the benefits of being Australian, it's impossible to deny that we are a godless culture. Our idea of a "spiritual experience" is dropping half a dozen LSD tabs in the bush whilst getting shitfaced and ranting about how "it's all a fucking joke, mate" b

This is the land morphing white Australians in to natives. See also: Americans slowly turning in to Neo-Aztecs.

[Anonymous No.11936072]

>>11935570
>academic endeavors are considered for gay cunts
that's because they are

[Anonymous No.11936076]

>>11936070
care to elaborate? sounds interesting

[Anonymous No.11936093]

>>11936072
Why are you here?

[Anonymous No.11936095]

>>11936093
Why are you crying?

[Anonymous No.11936098]

>>11936093
book recs

[Anonymous No.11936102]

>>11936076
Honestly it is just a bullshit pseudo-scientific belief I have that has not evidence but I find hard to shake. I think there is a character to geographic regions that necessarily sculpts culture and the psychology of the inhabitants. That there is a spirit or flavor to a location and people are just differing kinds of clay that the land molds. Colonists can either actively suppress it, try to adapt (like how European Christianity has a different texture to the Early Christianity of the desert fathers). As Burroughs put it, regarding America.

>America is not a young land: it is old and dirty and evil before the settlers, before the Indians. The evil is there waiting.

[Anonymous No.11936107]

>>11936098
John Carroll - The Wreck of Western Culture

Also got a few other good ones

[Anonymous No.11936109]

>>11936107
I picked this up at a book fair a few months ago, but have not gotten around to it yet. Is it actually any good?

[Anonymous No.11936111]

>>11936102
I'd disagree with regard to Australia. We're nothing more than working class British people with a few quirks that can be associated with land being given out to anyone that wanted it, like with the other anglo colonies.

[Anonymous No.11936113]

>>11936070

This is a good take.

My friend took tabs and went to the AFL and saw the landscape as dots and serpents or whatever and was like "damn we gotta give this shit back dude"

[Anonymous No.11936115]

>>11936109

His writing rises above the times and examines them with stark comparisons to failed societies of old. A true intellect.

[Anonymous No.11936116]

>>11935570
>he doesn't masquerade as one of the boys, only to spend all his time at home secretly obsessing over obscure russian literature

poof

[Anonymous No.11936118]

>>11934926
>>1. Being the dysgenic dumping ground of England's genetic refuse
You're thinking of America, mate

[Anonymous No.11936120]

>>11936118
Australia was settled because they couldn't dump their genetic refuse in America anymore

[Anonymous No.11936122]

>>11936111
Not that anon but I hesitate to agree. It's a romantic, literary notion (that contrasts poorly with the rather gentle urban reality of the nation) but there is something disconcertingly penetrating about the idea of Australia as a place where "the Anglo-Saxon went savage".

[Anonymous No.11936124]

How do we go about building Australian culture?

[Anonymous No.11936125]

The problem with 'stralia is that we commit to nothing, too many wogs here. So, we've ended up like the italians in WWII except we are waiting to see who is winning between the chinks and the yanks. In otherwords we are going to get fucked either way, while all the time running about yelling 'if you don't like it you can fuck off, cunt.'

Also

Bodysurfers - robert drew
Patrick White - voss, the vivisector
Death of a river guide - richard flanagan
David malouf - poems
Peter porter - poems
Les murray - poems

[Anonymous No.11936127]

>>11936124
WE have one

[Anonymous No.11936128]

>>11936125
Also

Peter cary - illywacker, oscar and lucinda

[Anonymous No.11936130]

>>11936111
Well, I don't think it is as intense in Australia for a couple reasons, one of them being that we have not being here as long, and another that the land here is not a defined by violence, like other place might. But the contrast between the landscapes of Europe and the Outback is just too different not to have made some changes, I agree with you that they would be minor. If you are European, or ever visited, especially if you live or have spent time in the country side (especially on the continent) you get this sense of being drowned or suffocated by history. Everywhere you go is the location of some battle, or some moment, the footprints of culture and humanity are everywhere; and it is all so livable hospitable. Then you go in to the outback and see endless expanses of nearly lifeless red earth where nothing has happened for the last billion years; the emptiness and hostility of it all is astounding.

[Anonymous No.11936132]

>>11936127
could you describe it?

[Anonymous No.11936133]

>>11936122
That certainly is a good way of describing some of the mining towns around Australia. I used to work in Kalgoorlie for a period myself, and savage is the only way you can describe it. Wake in Fright captures it extremely well.

[Anonymous No.11936134]

>>11936132
a bit like other cultures but better

[Anonymous No.11936138]

>>11936132
You are living it m8

[Anonymous No.11936140]

i liked picnic at hanging rock

[Anonymous No.11936141]

>>11936132
As I said earlier, working class British but with a few quirks, like an innate dislike of class, the tall poppy syndrome and cultural cringe, with the latter being what motivated your post

[Anonymous No.11936146]

>>11936141
thanks for the succinct reply, I'll try my best to get over the cultural cringe

[Anonymous No.11936157]

>>11933737
anyone who believes this should geez at Henry Lawson's work. Granted most of that "i once met a bloke from bendigo" type stuff is pretty juvenile, but there are some diamonds in the rough no doubt.

https://www.poetrylibrary.edu.au/poets/lawson-henry/the-wreck-of-the-derry-castle-0002023

[Anonymous No.11936179]

>>11936124
>>11936127
I sorta feel like we don't have a culture. Australia's always just been too polyphonic, (to borrow an imperfect term) too multicultural.
THere's never once in Australia's history been any kind of consensus agreement on what Australian culture is.

British culture, russian culture, american culture, when I read works from these countries they seem very different from Australian works in the sense that these works are forcefully cultural. These cultures are perpetually incipient, if that makes sense. Like, expressions of culture in these places always seem to be moving with some goal in mind, which itself is simply going to reveal some new far-off destination. In Australia, the closest thing to a unifying goal around which cultural expressions materialize is atoning for our past treatment of aborigines. But really this atonement isn't possible unless we find some positive, authentic cultural architecture for the new Australia. Australia has never had anything akin to Britain's civilizing mission, America's independence and incipient dream of "a world in which "all men are created equal," we just go along with the globalist big guys and adopt the robotic humanitarian values where it's expedient.

but eh, maybe "culture" as it's been known throughout the ages is just impossible in our globally integrated times anyway.

[Anonymous No.11936220]

oi m8 get me anuda vb outta tha barbie cunt

[Anonymous No.11936244]

>>11936220
>putting your vbs on the barbie
Good lord brother what the fuck are you doing

[Anonymous No.11936258]

>>11936179
The lesser Anglo colonies have always been a bit shit culturally haven't they? Australia, New Zealand, Canada, South Africa... At a push, there are a few colourful anthropological curiosities from these places like the Maori or the Zulu that blend into the societal discourse (I always found them to be the most interesting part of these colonies) but those groups had nothing to do with the British and they hardly produced any high art. These are the kind of cultures that aren't really cultures as such, or 'proper' nations - they're more outposts or settlements of a more generic rootless 'western' culture. They're nice enough places if you want all the material amenities that globalisation can bring but they are rather 'end of history' type zones, that aside.

[Anonymous No.11936262]

>>11936102
Why would America be an evil land, or at least more evil than say, Europe or China?

[Anonymous No.11936269]

>>11936258
I dislike this view of culture as solely being defined by how much 'high art' it produces

[Anonymous No.11936273]

>>11936258
>the lesser Anglo colonies
>lists every Anglo colony

Unless you're falling for the common error of classifying America as Anglo, which it hasn't been for well over a century

[Anonymous No.11936307]

>More than a hundred posts
>No-one mentions Kings in Grass Castles
Shout-out to the anon that mentioned Gerald Murnane. He'll win the Nobel in 2022 and everyone will go "literally fuckin who?" but I will know and for once agree with the Swedes.

[Anonymous No.11936310]

>>11931468
Nobody knows, since nobody's ever considered reading one.

[Anonymous No.11936312]

>>11933339
>a culture which highly encourages non-academic work
Man, that's a fancy way of putting it.

[Anonymous No.11936317]

>>11935263
Don't forget crime, and later, environmental disasters. Which must be why you have such ridiculous customs laws. Hey, I just discovered a little bit of national identity for ya, howsaboutthat!

[Anonymous No.11936344]

>>11936269
Of course it's more nuanced than that, sure, but it's a useful shorthand for ranking cultures unless you're some kind of relativist. Italy > Iran > Indonesia > Ivory Coast (though I'm sure the Ivory Coast has distinct food if you care about that.) Also, in a similar way, Australians may be generally more interesting or intelligent people on average than say Indians, but India has the more interesting culture.

>11936273
It was founded by Anglos but it isn't Anglo anymore because it actually managed to develop its own distinct identity. It was still a colony but it's not a lesser colony insofar as its less derivative. In a similar way, Mexico is a more interesting Spanish colony than Paraguay or Chile because its more distinct.

[Anonymous No.11936350]

>>11936344
I'd agree for it's use there, I just have a problem when people try to say a country doesn't have a culture or it has a generic culture because they don't produce anything of note. In Australia's case, the failure to do that is the direct product of Australian culture, its anti-intellectualism and cultural cringe.

[Anonymous No.11936361]

>>11934926
>>11935111
The only things that came close were the Kelly Gang and the Eureka Stockade. The Eureka flag was such a handsome flag, too.

>>11935570
Can confirm. I did a BA in English Literature in Australia and I am a gay cunt.

>>11935742
Our literary scene is an incestuous progressive shitpile. There are maybe 12 magazines with literary pretensions. 5 or more have such a small market for their content that they try to turn their potential writers into a readership. Many of the others are just not-for-profit journals, scholarly, or possibly state-funded. The only exception is Quadrant, which is just old conservatives fighting lost battles and shilling for the liberal party.

There is no decent system/network of patronage beyond that horrid hard left tripe. It is certainly no aristocracy.

>>11936111
>We're nothing more than working class British people
Complete with the hilarious and sad quantity of suburbs named after places from the UK.

[Anonymous No.11936363]

>>11936361
>The Eureka flag was such a handsome flag, too
I wish the unions never took it on, it would be the perfect flag if we ever declared ourself a republic

[Anonymous No.11936409]

>>11936361
Places in the UK and local aboriginal names*

Thank God the early settlers weren't so racist as to avoid using indigenous terms for our settlements, being able to visit the Parramattas and the Kalgoorlies of this country is honestly one of the most interesting things about it.

[Anonymous No.11936454]

kinda off topic but you guys seem to know your stuff
born and raised in australia but i'm pretty sheltered, i know next to nothing about our culture - how the hell does one start to learn?

[Anonymous No.11936469]

>>11936454
You already know everything about it, there's nothing to learn.
You just need to experience other cultures and you'll immediately see how we differ from the rest of the world. For instance, look at the strict codes of etiquette in Japan and compare it to Australia, where people like Dennis Lillee greet the Queen with "G'day, how ya goin".

[Anonymous No.11936472]

>>11936454
you're about fully educated already if you have a high school education. Australia has very little historical culture to speak of, and a large portion of that has been societally manufactured to attempt to develop a unique cultural identity (e.g. Gallipoli, Kokoda). In essence, Australian culture is largely limited to our shared values like mateship, egalitarianism etc. although even these are seeing a decline in popularity and are being forced by society to a degree. Australia is just a British colony- we didn't develop into a society naturally, it was thrust upon us. It's tragic, but reality in a lot of colonial nations

[Anonymous No.11936491]

>>11936469
>>11936469
would you say that comes from the sort of carefree nature aussies have? for example I'd say historically aussies love to take the piss and don't really like authority. im not saying that's what Dennis is doing but that his actions might've come from that similar trait.

[Anonymous No.11936497]

>>11936491
It's not a disrespect for authority, it was him genuinely not realising that treating the Queen as he would a normal person would be considered rude outside of Australia

[Anonymous No.11936508]

>>11936497
>>11936491
If you want an answer about what part of Australian culture made him think that, it would be our general dislike for class here and view of everyone being on equal footing.

[Anonymous No.11936514]

>>11936497
yeah I knew he wasnt meaning to be disrespectful but I saw parallels hence why I brought it up
>>11936508
ah yeah, again calling back to mateship and the belief of everyone being on fair ground and such

[Anonymous No.11936532]

I've read very few Australian writers, and even fewer who were actually decent. My hogh school was very inplicit in their decision to make us read mostly Australian authors, meaning most of my reading is done outside of school, meaning in the eyes of my trucker family I'm a prodigy. The points made in the thread about Australia's lack of identifyinf culture and piggybacking what it does have reverberates far too well.

[Anonymous No.11936610]

>Tfw right wing nationalist Australian.
>Feel nothing for Australia, its history, its "culture" or its environment.

[Anonymous No.11936645]

What about this?

[Anonymous No.11936646]

>>11936454
start reading the good books everyone shills. the national literature, as long as you avoid contrivance, is actually rather rich and beautiful

[Anonymous No.11936648]

>>11936645
hated it

[Anonymous No.11936664]

>>11936454
>>11936646
actually i gave you bad advice. i didn't read the "books everyone shills". i read books which looked interesting to me, like johnno or the young desire it.

[Anonymous No.11936699]

Australian """"culture"""": AC/DC, Olivia Newton-John and Kylie Minogue.

[Anonymous No.11936728]

>>11931468
Read Inky Stephensen to get redpilled on Australian culture

[Anonymous No.11936738]

>>11936699
Nick Cave, Andrew Dominik, Peter Weir

[Anonymous No.11936779]

>>11931468

Tell me you've read Murnane, anon?

[Anonymous No.11936800]

>>11934926
>like a war of independence
Americans...

[Anonymous No.11937509]

>>11936102
Coming back to this, I wonder how much truth there actually is in it. The Afrikaners are often considered to be very close culturally to Australians. Migration from South Africa to Australia is often driven by that and was so common that they had a saying "packing for Perth" for anyone leaving the country. That's a cultural similarity that, I believe, largely developed independently from the influence of the British.
Both countries obviously do have some similarities in geographical regions too.

[Anonymous No.11937571]

>>11931468
Only one anon's mentioned him, but they have one of the better Anglo writers of the 80s-90s. Pic related's an excellent Faulknerian thing, plus a couple of high-tier magic realist novels from earlier in his career.

[Anonymous No.11937594]

>>11937509
As an Australian I remember seeing a photograph of these Rhodesians drinking beer in the African shrub that really hit me hard. Pot bellied, singletted, with scruffy hair on head and tummy, wearing shorts, the expressions... It really fucked with my head. Looked just like Australians. Thinking about a whole country and way of life so similar to my own evaporating away. It’s annoying, because I’m not some /pol/tard Rhodesiaboo and I resent the fact that bringing up the country in anything less than a tone of moral indignation is taken as an indication of white supremacism; a fault I lay more at the feet of bigoted liberals than the slim number of nostalgic expatriate boomers and anons that worship it. The only reason Australia is able to sit on its ass and shit on African colonies for their apartheid policies is because the Aboriginals have always remained at a comfortably low population level - out of sight and out of mind. Emancipating them didn’t give them any real political importance so it was no big deal. Australia’s survival: an accident of history.

[Anonymous No.11937900]

>>11937594
>Australia’s survival: an accident of history.
I'm stealing this

[Anonymous No.11938444]

>>11936029
A Based Adelaide-poster?

[Anonymous No.11938896]

>>11936029
Please watch our sport