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I'll start

>> No.11953058

>>11952942
Elie Wiesel's Night.

>> No.11953062

>>11952942
George Orwell's "Why I write"

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>> No.11953068

1984. Unironically bandied about as an anti-socialist parable. It hardens people's concept of tyranny into a very precise depiction, so the effect is that the alternative forms, such as inverted totalitarianism (look it up) go by unnoticed.

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>>11952942
I've been doing a lot of research into the lives of famous authors and very, very few successful authors were not involved in some kind of political activism. It makes sense, how else could they have the motivation to keep going when others gave up, unless they were trying to express and convey something beyond themselves? It seems to go with the territory.

>> No.11953084

>>11953068
Totally agree with this assessment. Normies also believe we can't be within such a coercive system because it isn't as blatant and overt as 1984. Basically, it portrays an absurd state of affairs that you'd have to be severely impaired to not realise is exploitation. This creates a boogeyman and makes everything else look reasonable by comparison.

>> No.11953086

The Paul Street Boys by Molnar Ferenc, glorifies a kid's death for a greater idea (the greater idea being a fucking empty lot they consider their "homeland")

>> No.11953103

>>11953084
Brave New World is the more realistic 21st century dystopia of the two, except there need to be more tech billionaires rubbing their hands together and it's less well written than 1984. Orwell was right about the role of screens, Brave New World was lacking in screens.

>> No.11953127

>>11953068
It's definitely an anti-Stalinist parable.

>> No.11953137

>>11952942
how is this propaganda?

>> No.11953141

>>11952942
I don't remember anything about this book. What was the propaganda?

>> No.11953145

>>11953103
Good analysis.

Yes, screens occupy almost the entirety of all attention in modern lives. Work, learning, relaxation, entertainment. And all of these things have been engineered with tons of propaganda. Constant conditioning and programming. It's truly horrifying.

>> No.11953198

>>11952942
About what exactly?

>> No.11953528

Underrated work tbqh

>> No.11953542

>>11952942
ANIMAL FARM.
I fucking hate the idiots who make reference to it in real life, as though their some sort of intellectual sharing a major insight.

>> No.11953555

>>11953542
It was assigned reading. In sixth grade.

>> No.11953560

>>11952942
I only remember something about a nigger kid stealing some shoes or something, what part of the book was propaganda?

>> No.11953570

>>11953542
what is animal farm propaganda for? Seems like it shits on everybody in equal measure really, which was basically Orwell's MO to begin with

>> No.11953645

>>11953067
A+

>> No.11954140

>>11952942
Lmao go back to pol
>Holes is propaganda because it features a sympathetic black character/ interracial relationship

>> No.11954160

>>11953560
Anything with a black character or prominent female character is propaganda for race-mixing trans people.

>> No.11954187

>>11952942
Lol, what was that book propaganda for besides eating onions?

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>>11954140
Reeeee /pol/! Diversity is our strength!

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>>11954195
> waah white women won’t fuck me, it must be those dastardly jews

>> No.11954210

>>11952942
Holes was propaganda for what exactly?
Anti-Bootcamp propaganda?

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>>11954202

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>>11952942

>> No.11954231

>>11953067
This book made me hate the Greeks. S tier propaganda.

>> No.11954232

>>11953068
That's why I tell minors only to read the first act of the book. This way they get more sensible to politicians pushing survillance and its technology.

Fuck the political parable and the room 101 garbage...

>> No.11954244

>>11953198

I have this question as well. If I recall correctly, Kate Barlow marries a black guy, but that's all I can think of in terms of propaganda.

Or is the whole work a Sisyphean analogue?

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>>11953103
>>11953145
>tfw I read these posts through a screen

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>>11954536
>he didn’t set up a script that prints out all relaxant 4chan threads

>> No.11954544

>>11954541
>looked at a screen while writing the code

>> No.11954569

>>11952942
Why because it has Jewish people in it?

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>>11952942

>> No.11954642

>>11952942
Some sci-fi written by christcucks. Can't remember the name, it had advanced tech like flying vehicles that were transparent orbs. Some reincarnation of satan came to fuck shit up but then Jesus came and saved everyone.

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>While Inherit the Wind remains faithful to the broad outlines of the historical events it portrays, it flagrantly distorts the details, and neither the fictionalized names nor the cover of artistic license can excuse what amounts to an ideologically motivated hoax. The film, for example, depicts Cates arrested in the act of teaching evolution by a grim posse of morally offended citizens, while in fact no effort was made to enforce the Butler Act. What actually brought the issue to light—never mentioned in play or film—was that the American Civil Liberties Union advertised for someone to challenge the law.

>Far from being imprisoned, let alone hung in effigy, Scopes was free after his indictment. After traveling to New York to meet the ACLU Executive Board that included Norman Thomas and Felix Frankfurter, he lived in his Dayton boarding house, continuing to have friendly intercourse with the townspeople and greeting the visitors streaming into town. In fact, there was no prison sentence connected to violation of the Butler Act. Bryan actually argued against even a monetary fine, and—far from demanding a harsher penalty for Scopes—offered to pay the defendant’s fine himself. Scopes attended a dinner given by the Dayton Progressive Club in honor of Bryan’s arrival, and Bryan, famous for remembering people, recognized Scopes as one of a gaggle of giggling graduates he had addressed at a high school commencement six years earlier. Bryan’s kindness and sincerity were acknowledged even by his enemies, and he spoke amiably to Scopes, insisting they could be friends despite their disagreement.

>As for Darrow, he was greeted on his arrival in Dayton by a crowd about as large and friendly as the one that had greeted Bryan—not, as Drummond is, by a little girl screaming “Devil” in the play or a scowling mountaineer in the film. Darrow was feted at a Progressive Club dinner just as Bryan was. Being a folksy, small-town type himself, Darrow gained the good graces of the locals, and many of the spectators at the trial showed support for the defense.

>> No.11955271

mein kampf

>> No.11955293

>>11953068
Interesting and redpilled opinion.

>> No.11955296

>>11953070
Correlation does not mean causation. I think that the more probable explanation for this is that most famous authors are intelligent, and the most intelligent people also tend to be more engaged in politics generally.

>> No.11955325

>>11954202
why is he wearing a shirt with Milhouse on it

>> No.11955334

>>11955325
Because Millhouse is a not a meme

>> No.11955352

>>11953068
I don’t think that was what Orwell want either

>> No.11955363

The Giver

I still love it though.

>> No.11955366

>>11955296
So that's what you tell yourself.

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Im not very smart

>> No.11955993

>>11954642
That sounds like something by PKD and he wasn’t really a christcuck

>> No.11956004

>>11955247
Read Mencken’s eulogy for JG Machen.

>> No.11956018

>>11953068
> 1984; an anti-socialist parable
what the, indeed, fuck? Who thinks this?

>> No.11956029

>>11954202
I know this is bait but this argument is so fucking gay. Being against diversity and interracial relationships is much less of an indicator of poor ability with women than simply being a frequent poster here is. Also, it's not particularly hard to find a white woman who feels gross about the idea of race mixing, it's just hard to find one who is okay with saying that and doesn't feel like there's something wrong with her for feeling that way.

>> No.11956033

>>11953570
Animal Farm is about the aftermath of the Russian revolution. Like, what happened in and to the USSR, how the original ideals were undermined or forgotten. It's pretty good. Trotsky is one of the pigs, I forget which, been a time since I read it

>> No.11956070

>>11956018
people who haven't read the book and know nothing about Orwell but have skimmed the wikipedia page

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>>11953067
Superficially propaganda, but all the subtext is criticism of the Augustan regime. Prove me wrong.

>> No.11956329

>>11954541
Paper is a screen

>> No.11956332

i wanna make a apple watch app so siri can read shitposts to me while i work out

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>>11952942

>> No.11956504

>>11954202
Life imitates art. Stories are art, and they can exist as varying degrees as such. If trash is was is celebrated, then people will begin to mimic it.

>> No.11956537

>>11953058
THIS

>> No.11956562

>>11952942
I love this meme

>> No.11956672

>>11954622
DEH

>> No.11956677

>>11956392
This was written precicely because Theodore Geisel was rightfully peeved that some asshole was turning redwoods into literal toothpicks. As an outdoor educator I'm okay with it. National Parks and conservation in general are America's only stroke of genius.

>> No.11956696

>>11956677
How about the nukes?

>> No.11956714

>>11956018

It actually is though. Ostensibly he calls for """democratic socialism""" but the entire book tells the story of well meaning idiot socialists bringing in "democratic" socialism which then inevitably collapses into totalitarian rule.

Hot tip: when you socialise all industry, give it all to one specific group, they're going to monopolize their power.

>> No.11956718

>>11956677
Hope you enjoy virtual neo-slavery in the smart cities

>> No.11956726

>>11956718
My children shall be slaves to Pharaoh Walmart III...and that's a good thing

>> No.11956949

>>11953068
1984 functions as a general critique of traditional totalitarianism, and that group includes plenty of commie dystopias. Not validating your demented worldview doesn't make it propaganda though.

>> No.11956955

>>11956949
>Not validating your demented worldview doesn't make it propaganda though

I think you'll find thats the standard definition of "propoganda"

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>>11956955
It's still a stupid definition, and stupidity is not Propaganda.
Propaganda is on some level aware that it's propaganda, it understands that certain aspects of what it is espousing are contradictory and puts a lot of effort into not talking about those weak points and making them invisible in order to win more idiots to its cause with unapologetic manipulation tactics.

>> No.11957053

Q&A aka Slumdog Millionaire

>> No.11957464

>>11955352
The story of Orwell’s life is “That wasn’t what Orwell wanted”

>> No.11958057

>>11956718
>implying I don't plan to go full Ted Kazinsky

>> No.11958532

>>11956562
It's not a meme though lol.

>> No.11958551

>>11953058
i knew it was propoganda right away

>> No.11958553

>>11953058
Hey that was a good book.

>> No.11958575

>>11956033
how is that propaganda though? parable =/= propaganda

>> No.11958588

>>11953058
unrelated but this post made me remember this one time in high school English. We were watching Schindler's List at we can across the scene where the SS is liquidating all the assets within the Jewish homes in town. They houses are rather lavish in the film, and I remember a Puerto Rican girl blurting out that she didn't feel bad that the Jews were having their stuff taken because they were rich mofos. The jewish kids and the teacher were all silent with their glares towards her and I just remember dying of laughter on the inside.

>> No.11958634

>>11953103
But modern day China is very close to 1984

>> No.11958983

>>11953141
o n i o n s