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[Anonymous No.11964399]

I want to buy a Bible and a Quran so i can more easily undermine believer's faith foundation from their own poorly written books that are full of contradictions and weird shit. So far i've debated religious people using reason, but they don't seem to value reason, they value the positive affirmation and sense of "purpose" these books give them, even if it's all woowoo and dumb.

Anyway, i guess my question is which edition of the bible and quran would you recommend?

[Anonymous No.11964408]

none of them you pseud retard, read the mystics and great religious thinkers instead of going for the low-hanging fruit

[Anonymous No.11964421]

Don't waste your time, it's just like replying to pol troll threads on here, fun for a short while, but gets old fast. They keep repeating the same parrot lines over and over, not really worth reading books for.

[Anonymous No.11964428]

>>11964399
>going into any reading with uninformed bias
epic
>The masses have no legitimate reasons for the thing they believe
profound

[Anonymous No.11964449]

>>11964428
>>11964428
>The masses have no legitimate reasons for the thing they believe
Correct.

[Anonymous No.11964458]

>>11964408
>The Bible
>low-hanging fruit
... what?

[Anonymous No.11964462]

funDIEs btfo

[Anonymous No.11964464]

>>11964399
Go in with the intention of reinterpreting them and creating a new branch of the religion

[Anonymous No.11964544]

>>11964449
Unbearably daft. The masses predominantly believe in "rational" atheism today.

[Anonymous No.11964557]

Why not get a commentary to go alongside the bible so you actually understand why intelligent people enjoy it so much, try Matthew Henry's abridged version, also look into the saints , st Augustine's confession is one often mentioned here, st athanacius on the incarnation is good, two people who are must reads if your not a brainlet and literally want to understand Christianity and are not pretending are cs Lewis and gk Chesterton. Lewis's mere Christianity has converted millions and gk chestertons everlasting man is reaction to the materialists, nihilist, naturalists and pessimists that plagued the 20th centurty
and are ruining the world now

[Anonymous No.11964562]

>>11964399
Can't speak on the Qu'ran but the ESV is probably one of the best translations of the Bible out there. If you don't mind having a massive book you could get the ESV study bible with commentary from the translators and theologians.

[Anonymous No.11964672]

>>11964399
Most of you who are replying know this is a troll and it's like why are you replying like why are you contributing towards making this board worse than it already is

[Anonymous No.11964743]

>>11964399
Reminder that this book made me become Christian.
Christianity is easy to argue against when you don’t really understand it.

[Anonymous No.11964862]

Be careful because you might run into Christians capable of explaining how those contradictions are only apparent and it takes only a slightly more than superficial understanding of scripture to answer them.

[Anonymous No.11964886]

>>11964399
>So far i've debated religious people using reason, but they don't seem to value reason
'Religious people,' as you call anyone who isn't a self-proclaimed atheist, invented the concept of reason--they value it more than you do.

[Anonymous No.11964897]

>>11964672
The purpose of /lit/ is to make /lit/ worse

[Anonymous No.11964906]

>>11964897
exactly. thank you for understanding anon
people who complain about the quality of 4chan boards are the gayest people in the universe

[Anonymous No.11964914]

Bernd pls

[Anonymous No.11964931]

>>11964906
>being new

[Anonymous No.11964947]

>>11964931
>pretending not to be new

[Anonymous No.11964993]

>>11964399
The NRSV Bible includes historical context and commentary on passages which contain antiquated language or metaphors that many Christians are not aware of. If you want to learn more about Abrahamic history than most Christians, I would recommend this.

[Anonymous No.11965059]

>>11964743
thank you for reminding us about this personal fact about yourself, an anonymous poster, that none of us knew at any point beforehand

[Anonymous No.11965283]

>>11965059
>heh, ok lemme tell you something. Religion *clears throat* is like a penis. Its ok to have one *sips wine sassily* its ok to play with it in your own time. but if you EVER take it out and show it to ANYONE, then i just cannot like literally deal with that mmk sweetie *dabs unironically*

[Anonymous No.11965288]

>>11964399
>which edition... of the Qur'an
you'll need to do better next time

[Anonymous No.11965293]

>>11964544
No. Well, unless you're after redefining "the masses" ye slimy

[Anonymous No.11965299]

>>11964544
Not in America

[Anonymous No.11965431]

>>11964399
There is literally only one edition of the Quran. Read one that isn't from a literal propaganda website and you'll be fine.

[Anonymous No.11965448]

>>11965431
>Read one that isn't from a literal propaganda website and you'll be fine.
That doesn't sound like only one edition to me.

[Anonymous No.11965466]

>>11965283
kek'd.

[Anonymous No.11965474]

>>11965431
Here's a dirty little secret that Muslims don't want to admit: there's actually multiple versions of the Quran despite all the historical efforts to destroy them and standardize.

[Anonymous No.11965476]

>>11965448
Some of them were written before websites existed.

[Anonymous No.11965493]

>>11964399
> spends life debating believers
> has never read the bible

fuck you, op. atheist scum.

[Anonymous No.11965934]

>>11964399
For historical context and a critical view of the Bible text, the New Oxford Annotated Bible is the best in English.

For the Quran, the Study Quran is great but the notes are all about theological exegesis, perhaps it's not what you're looking for. Abdel Haleem's translation has an introduction and notes giving a traditional Sunni interpretation, and is fairly cheap.

[Anonymous No.11965947]

>>11964399
Better read this

[Anonymous No.11965953]

>>11964399
Isn't this literally what the Skeptic's Annotated Bible is for?

Recommending also Robert Price for BTFOing Christians.

[Anonymous No.11965962]

>>11964408
The zealots who redacted the Bible were anti-mystical dullards, as can be seen from the rank forgeries of the Pastoral epistles where their author constantly fulminates against the Gnosis falsely so called

[Anonymous No.11965965]

>>11965299
Yes in America. Most religious people are only such for the community. That's why they divorce 6 times and have zero problem with fornication. Even the most religious families I knew acted like pre martial sex was no big deal. Religion in American is a sham. Protestantism is a sham.

[Anonymous No.11965969]

>>11964399
Why do you care so much about what other people belive? Thats pathetic anon, just be yourself and hold your own toughts, are you wiling to spend time of your life reading something for months of maybe a couple of years (to really understand what it means) just to try to bother other people, you sound like a pseudo intellectualoid edgy teen

[Anonymous No.11965970]

excellent b8 OP. even better if you really are this dumb

[Anonymous No.11966059]

>>11964886
all theistic knuckledraggers should be hanged on the meat hooks. they can't be that delusional.

[Anonymous No.11966748]

>>11964544
Not in Earth as a whole.

[Anonymous No.11967249]

>>11964399
Why not criticize judaism instead? You fedora-tippers always go after the same 2 religions and ignore the rest, ESPECIALLY jews. Stop being a hypocrite.

[Anonymous No.11968146]

>>11964408
>the divinely inspired holy scriptures are low-hanging fruit compared to some medieval dude's :thinking:
hmm

[Anonymous No.11968794]

>>11967249
Read the wikipedia page on populations of different religions. Judaism is nearly an extinct religion.

[Anonymous No.11969649]

As an arabic speaking person. Quran's translation are fucked beyond belief. I personally use KJV but others are fine. The quran translation thats more accurate than others is the one on the aite you first get after googling Quran. I dont remember the site and im phoneposting

[Anonymous No.11969709]

>>11968794
>Judaism is nearly an extinct religion
Just go to Hollywood or New York - both places are crawling with them. Alternatively - just turn on any news program, entertainment program, or read any newspaper. They're everywhere. They are in no danger of naturally going extinct.

[Anonymous No.11969722]

>>11969649
Is it this?
>https://quran.com/?local=en
Literally "quran.com". That would be convenient.

[Anonymous No.11969742]

>>11964399
what makes your truth better than anybody elses

[Anonymous No.11969763]

>>11965474
No there's not. Don't make up lies, or propagate misinformation

[Anonymous No.11969793]

>>11969763
>Don't make up lies, or propagate misinformation
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taqiya

[Anonymous No.11969829]

>>11969793
Does anyone here subscribe to or decry Frazer's notion that the taboo of swine for Judaism and Islam dates to reverence of Tammuz? I have heard:
>dude - that's all been totally debunked here since ages ago
but I have not heard an actual rebuttal.

[Anonymous No.11969872]

>>11969793
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Qira%27at?wprov=sfla1

[Anonymous No.11969893]

>>11969829
taboo is a vague terminology. Unlawful, or sinful is better.

Sometimes, I feel like it's an argument about whether red or green apples are superior, and then limes are used as evidence against red apples because they're (the limes) are perceived as more versatile than the blood orange. But, I digress, and I don't ascribe to the theory of evolution in general, because I don't understand it no matter how it's explained for me

[Anonymous No.11969906]

Be careful that you don't fall into the trap, anon. I was, just as you are now, a budding youth of 16, self-assured and hungry for the root of knowledge in order to undermine others' beliefs. A decade later and, though I'm not a Christian, Kierkegaard is my favorite philosopher and convinced me of the divine.

[Anonymous No.11969924]

>>11969906
I have kierkegaards complete works, but i have yet to read any of it.

[Anonymous No.11969925]

>>11969906
Christian existentialism unironically softened me to the idea of Christianity. I got a Bible today and plan to sit down and study it after I finish my current book.

[Anonymous No.11969935]

>>11964544
Ah but of course, and Hillary won the "educated" vote too, right?

[Anonymous No.11969936]

>>11964399
>even if it's all woowoo and dumb.

[Anonymous No.11969941]

>>11965283
kek

[Anonymous No.11969944]

>>11968146
>It's literally impossible for God to speak to us unless it's from a holy book

[Anonymous No.11969948]

>>11966059
>all atheistic knuckledraggers should be hanged on the meat hooks. they can't be that delusional.
FTFY

[Anonymous No.11969953]

>>11969893
>But, I digress, and I don't ascribe to the theory of evolution in general, because I don't understand it no matter how it's explained for me
based

[Anonymous No.11969976]

>>11969944
>if God uses a book that means He was unable to use any other method

[Anonymous No.11969977]

>>11969893
>But, I digress, and I don't ascribe to the theory of evolution in general, because I don't understand it no matter how it's explained for me

89iq

[Anonymous No.11969980]

>>11964399
Read history and philosophy (and history of philosophy). Those books weren't written in a vacuum, so they're actually not the best starting point.

Also that's fedora as fuck.

[Anonymous No.11970016]

>>11969977
t. pic related

[Anonymous No.11970112]

>>11970016
It’s how all the evolutionary theory proponents act. When you deny natural selection, some people forget, it’s not like you’re denying the spherical earth or something proveable.

[Anonymous No.11970285]

>>11964399
The Bible alone is not enough to understand Christianity (even from a Protestant perspective) and I don't think the Quran is enough for Islam on its own. If you want to read more about Christianity, get the KJV, then read the Church Fathers (Athanasius, John Chrysostom, Augustine etc) then the Scholastics then the Reformers. You don't have to go too in depth, summaries will do for a lot of this stuff, and it's almost all free online.

[Anonymous No.11970292]

>>11970285
Oops, forgot to mention you don't really need to read the whole Bible, but read certain books and have it for reference when you're reading the theology.

[Anonymous No.11970322]

>>11970285
I would add, for an understanding of Islam, one must read the biography of the Prophet Muhammad(pbuh) along with the Qur'an (or proper translation of) and several commentaries of the Qur'an (tafsir), then the sahih hadith, and probably some of the other reliable hadith also. Then some Islamic philosophy, in historical context, as well as a good knowledge of the history of Islam and the Muslim ummah. Read the lives of all the Prophets(pbut), and some of the great scholars of Islam. Even then, there's more

[Anonymous No.11970327]

>>11970112
It makes sense that they fall back on their core beliefs

[king stannis baratheon first o(...) !9fB.6ikQAA No.11970339]

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