Why not commit suicide? Or, let’s try to answer the only interesting philosophical question.

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Anonymous Wed Oct 24 21:33:06 2018 No.11984013 [Reply] [Original]

Why not commit suicide?

Or, let’s try to answer the only interesting philosophical question.

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 24 21:33:56 2018 No.11984015 >>11984013 because think of all the interesting funny threads you'll miss on 4chan

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 24 21:35:39 2018 No.11984022 because your life isn't yours to end.

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 24 21:35:45 2018 No.11984023 >>11984013 There’s still a chance for you to become saved through Jesus.

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 24 21:36:41 2018 No.11984030 >>11984013 I deserve to suffer.

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 24 21:36:51 2018 No.11984031 Everyone will die eventually. To commit suicide is to deprive yourself of an experience, even if it is not a pleasant or positive one. This is coming from someone who supports antinatalism and physician assisted euthanasia.

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 24 21:38:34 2018 No.11984037 File: 143 KB, 1024x806, Trebuchet_Castelnaud.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] i don't have my trebuchet, feathered headdress or the explosives i want to use to blow myself apart in mid-air

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 24 21:39:11 2018 No.11984042 >>11984031 >Everyone will die eventually. Wrong. >For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.

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>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 24 21:39:59 2018 No.11984047 >>11984022 My dad told me this, I think it's the reason I didn't go through with it. "your life isn't yours, it's ours"

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 24 21:41:01 2018 No.11984052 >>11984031 I disagree with antinatalism, it prevents people from having the ablity to choose.

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 24 21:41:13 2018 No.11984053 >>11984042 oh yeah i forgot about that

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 24 21:41:36 2018 No.11984058 >>11984042 Every human will eventually die.

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 24 21:41:48 2018 No.11984059 >>11984013 i dont feel like it. next question

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 24 21:43:21 2018 No.11984067 I don't know if this is analogous, but I've wondered: If you had the best experience of your life, but forgot it immediately, would that experience be worthwhile? I'm sure someone has pondered this before, but the answer for me seems to be no.

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 24 21:46:49 2018 No.11984085 >>11984067 Yes, your memories don't define "you"

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 24 21:48:11 2018 No.11984091 >>11984013 too much effort

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 24 21:49:00 2018 No.11984096 >>11984058 Technically, if your faith in God was good enough, you wouldn’t die at all. That shows you how prevalent sin is, it just makes some people falter

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 24 21:53:27 2018 No.11984110 >>11984085 What does then?

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 24 21:57:18 2018 No.11984125 >>11984110 Who knows

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 24 22:24:15 2018 No.11984223 >>11984110 >>11984125 I don't actually know, I'm not trying to be a dick

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 24 22:58:47 2018 No.11984387 >>11984022 >>11984047 >Never asked to be created >Be created >DUDE ITS NOT YOUR LIFE TO END LOL YOU MY SLAVE BITCH ENJOY SUFFERING based and redpilled

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 24 23:05:42 2018 No.11984413 >>11984387 True but that thinking ain't wrong. My computer never asked to be created but it better not kill itself.

Anonymous Wed Oct 24 23:13:27 2018 No.11984442
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i've had psychotic depression for so long that i'm starting to believe that even if i did go through with the act that i long for each day, i wouldn't actually die. i only exist because of human desire and i desire to make the world a more pleasant place through writing and film while i can, but the thought of doing the act that's most offensive to humanity tempts me every fucking second i have conscious thought. i have a hard time believing suicide does anything, and i want to be a person who does something. idk...

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 24 23:18:19 2018 No.11984469 >>11984413 Comparing a sentient creature to an inanimate object, brilliant.

Anon Wed Oct 24 23:18:33 2018 No.11984471

>>11984442
I'm a Buddhist so I think if I kill myself then I'll just come back, born into pretty much the same stupid circumstances. But I still think about killing myself every day.

If I manage to become old then I hope I can kill myself before something fucked up happens. Strokes run in my family for instance and we're taking care of my mom who can't talk or walk anymore.

Anyway the final plan is to hike out into the woods with an exit bag and die and let the critters and bugs eat me.

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>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 24 23:23:15 2018 No.11984489 >>11984387 It's not possible to never ask if you never were

Anonymous Wed Oct 24 23:23:39 2018 No.11984492

>>11984442
That image you posted. Imagine living in an age where the desire to cease life altogether is not only shared openly, but celebrated and commodified as mass-market memes--the reduction of the sacred question of life itself to nothing more than an ingredient in ironic humor (funny specifically because it is the furthest thing from funny, and thus ironic) is worse even than the impulse to take life itself. Suicide is a weighty thing, an unbearably weighty thing, because life is a heavy thing (none of this unbearable lightness nonsense). To trivialize life by taking it, this is a denunciation of the most serious thing, and thus a serious denunciation. To trivialize suicide by memeing it is to denounce the most serious possible claim as trivial and laughable. The suicidal man rejects life, but the suicide memer rejects not only life but the very concept of human value; in his reduction of life's value to memes he is a complete nihilist.

Anonymous Wed Oct 24 23:23:59 2018 No.11984494

>>11984013
Biological imperative to ensure survival at all costs is the closest thing we have to a divine set of instructions. It is the most consistent behavior witnessed across all forms of life, and though we have our exceptions, that's by and large what we're persuaded to do. Of course it's impossible to know why survival really matters, but it's such a consistent feature in all of nature that you may as well assume some greater power intended for this above all things to be what we must stick to. That's my reasoning at least.

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 24 23:24:57 2018 No.11984500 File: 5 KB, 320x180, mqdefault.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>11984413 Now THIS is the postmodern condition.

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 24 23:26:17 2018 No.11984504 >>11984013 It is against our instincts as living beings

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 24 23:29:26 2018 No.11984518 >>11984504 so is waking up at six thirty but I'm doing that tomorrow

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 24 23:30:55 2018 No.11984529 >>11984492 >To trivialize suicide by memeing it is to denounce the most serious possible claim as trivial and laughable. That is precisely the point. Not that it matters anyway, anybody committing suicide is just going to reincarnate.

Anonymous Wed Oct 24 23:35:38 2018 No.11984558

>>11984013

>if you're an atheist
don't commit suicide you dumb shit
>if you're a theist
no rational god would want the time on earth that god gave you to be cut short by your own hand so if you do you probably aren't going to the good place after death OR you will be spending a helluva lot of time in purgatory

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 24 23:36:31 2018 No.11984566 >>11984518 kysing yourself is a bigger deal than that I guess

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 24 23:36:55 2018 No.11984569 >>11984558 How can you know ending your life by your own hand isn't what God wants?

Anonymous Wed Oct 24 23:42:08 2018 No.11984606

>>11984013
First, enumerate all the reasons which objectively and unequivocally necessitate suicide.
I won't be waiting, by the way.

tl;dr - its all a values judgement but depressed and demoralized idiots who overrationalized themselves into suffering cant accept the fact that they are the source of their pain

t. short, unattractive childhood sexual/physical/emotional abuse victim of a man who is prematurely balding, hasn't had a date in nearly a decade, has a genetic disorder which leaves me in constant pain, who sleeps about 2 hours a week to avoid his PTSD nightmares, but still has never considered suicide

You're doing it to yourself. If you've gotten far enough to realize none of it matters anyway, take the last step and realize that literally none of it matters, including your demoralization and negative value judgments, and that you are completely free to be happy if you so choose.

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 24 23:45:26 2018 No.11984617 >>11984085 >>11984223 I would argue that losing your memories could be analogous to an earthquake hitting a city. Buildings will crumble and suffering had but the city is the same city before and after.

Anonymous Wed Oct 24 23:45:53 2018 No.11984620

>>11984569

if you believe in a higher power, then it's logical that you would believe Jesus, Buddha, Mohammad, Confucius, Laozi, or any combination of them had some form of divine revelation at some point in their lives, and that they were generally right about things

the only justifications that crop up in any religion for giving one's own life is under very specific circumstances and for very specific reasons, that do not include out right suicide

nobody worships the Aztec religion anymore and it's pretty safe to say human sacrifice was not the result of a divine revelation but of human depravity

also, in the same way that any creator god doesn't have any reason to defy the rules of physics even though they could, any higher power can be expected to follow basic logic in how their creation should live their lives even if different religions disagree on small stuff

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 24 23:51:40 2018 No.11984644 >>11984558 I'm agnostic

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 24 23:53:18 2018 No.11984657 >>11984644 But I'm agnostic in such a way that I think god is evil, which makes me feel worse.

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 24 23:54:20 2018 No.11984660 >>11984469 sentience is overrated

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 24 23:57:17 2018 No.11984671 >>11984013 >Why not commit suicide? Because it's irreversible. Who knows what you might miss

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 24 23:58:32 2018 No.11984677 >>11984671 i never miss.

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 25 00:03:44 2018 No.11984695 >>11984677 If you killed yourself yesterday you would have missed today. Whether you thought it was a good day or not is irrelevant

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 25 00:04:39 2018 No.11984701 >>11984677 huh

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 25 00:13:04 2018 No.11984731 >>11984013 >Why not commit suicide? I don't feel like it, but everyone should feel free to go ahead, there's too many of us anyway.

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 25 00:16:30 2018 No.11984741 >>11984471 >Buddhist >I still think about killing myself every day. Still fighting illusions huh?

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 25 00:27:20 2018 No.11984780 >>11984492 It makes me feel good because I relate to feeling like shit constantly but having to pretend I don't

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 25 00:28:54 2018 No.11984783 >>11984013 Couldn't put mom and dad through that

Anonymous Thu Oct 25 00:36:32 2018 No.11984809
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Either all people who commit suicide are mentally ill (in which case suicide is not a natural part of the human condition that can be overcome) or there are people that have made a difficult decision that should be respected.

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 25 00:48:21 2018 No.11984849 >>11984780 I'm fighting back the urge to tell you to neck yourself, but please don't, anon.

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 25 00:59:47 2018 No.11984884 >>11984058 >Enoch >Elisha >Jesus who was fully man as well as fully God heh......

Anonymous Thu Oct 25 01:01:55 2018 No.11984890

>>11984606
suicide is literally the only free choice you can make
your existence is meaningless unless you master your own fate and deprive the world of yourself
let your spite and desire for dominance guide you, you will eventually realize that suicide is the most alpha move there is

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 25 01:10:19 2018 No.11984926 >>11984013 Killing one's self is giving into the Void. It's not necessarily a cowardly act, per se, but the brave thing to do is rage against life's futility. The Universe expects to break your spirit. Don't let it. Rise to the occasion.

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 25 01:11:47 2018 No.11984931 >>11984926 Cuck post.

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 25 01:22:36 2018 No.11984967 >>11984013 Suicide is a positive action. I need a reason to kill myself.

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 25 01:32:44 2018 No.11985005 >>11984013 someone just read camus lmao lurk moar you bitch ass nigga

Anonymous Thu Oct 25 01:54:53 2018 No.11985072
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If I be a diviner and full of the divining spirit which wandereth on high mountain-ridges, 'twixt two seas,—

Wandereth 'twixt the past and the future as a heavy cloud—hostile to sultry plains, and to all that is weary and can neither die nor live:

Ready for lightning in its dark bosom, and for the redeeming flash of light, charged with lightnings which say Yea! which laugh Yea! ready for divining flashes of lightning:—

—Blessed, however, is he who is thus charged! And verily, long must he hang like a heavy tempest on the mountain, who shall one day kindle the light of the future!—

Oh, how could I not be ardent for Eternity and for the marriage-ring of rings—the ring of the return?

Never yet have I found the woman by whom I should like to have children, unless it be this woman whom I love: for I love thee, O Eternity!

FOR I LOVE THEE, O ETERNITY!

Anonymous Thu Oct 25 01:55:57 2018 No.11985076
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If ever my wrath hath burst graves, shifted landmarks, or rolled old shattered tables into precipitous depths:

If ever my scorn hath scattered mouldered words to the winds, and if I have come like a besom to cross-spiders, and as a cleansing wind to old charnel- houses:

If ever I have sat rejoicing where old Gods lie buried, world-blessing, world-loving, beside the monuments of old world-maligners:—

—For even churches and Gods'-graves do I love, if only heaven looketh through their ruined roofs with pure eyes; gladly do I sit like grass and red poppies on ruined churches—

Oh, how could I not be ardent for Eternity, and for the marriage-ring of rings—the ring of the return?

Never yet have I found the woman by whom I should like to have children, unless it be this woman whom I love: for I love thee, O Eternity!

FOR I LOVE THEE, O ETERNITY!

Anonymous Thu Oct 25 01:57:01 2018 No.11985078
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If ever a breath hath come to me of the creative breath, and of the heavenly necessity which compelleth even chances to dance star-dances:

If ever I have laughed with the laughter of the creative lightning, to which the long thunder of the deed followeth, grumblingly, but obediently:

If ever I have played dice with the Gods at the divine table of the earth, so that the earth quaked and ruptured, and snorted forth fire-streams:—

—For a divine table is the earth, and trembling with new creative dictums and dice-casts of the Gods:

Oh, how could I not be ardent for Eternity, and for the marriage-ring of rings—the ring of the return?

Never yet have I found the woman by whom I should like to have children, unless it be this woman whom I love: for I love thee, O Eternity!

FOR I LOVE THEE, O ETERNITY!

Anonymous Thu Oct 25 01:58:06 2018 No.11985085
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If ever I have drunk a full draught of the foaming spice- and confection- bowl in which all things are well mixed:

If ever my hand hath mingled the furthest with the nearest, fire with spirit, joy with sorrow, and the harshest with the kindest:

If I myself am a grain of the saving salt which maketh everything in the confection-bowl mix well:—

—For there is a salt which uniteth good with evil; and even the evilest is worthy, as spicing and as final over-foaming:—

Oh, how could I not be ardent for Eternity, and for the marriage-ring of rings—the ring of the return?

Never yet have I found the woman by whom I should like to have children, unless it be this woman whom I love: for I love thee, O Eternity!

FOR I LOVE THEE, O ETERNITY!

Anonymous Thu Oct 25 01:59:11 2018 No.11985093
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If I be fond of the sea, and all that is sealike, and fondest of it when it angrily contradicteth me:

If the exploring delight be in me, which impelleth sails to the undiscovered, if the seafarer's delight be in my delight:

If ever my rejoicing hath called out: "The shore hath vanished,—now hath fallen from me the last chain—

The boundless roareth around me, far away sparkle for me space and time,— well! cheer up! old heart!"—

Oh, how could I not be ardent for Eternity, and for the marriage-ring of rings—the ring of the return?

Never yet have I found the woman by whom I should like to have children, unless it be this woman whom I love: for I love thee, O Eternity!

FOR I LOVE THEE, O ETERNITY!

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 25 01:59:29 2018 No.11985096 >>11984695 Not a good argument. After the day of our natural deaths we will miss the rest of eternity in this existence.

Anonymous Thu Oct 25 02:00:14 2018 No.11985100
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If my virtue be a dancer's virtue, and if I have often sprung with both feet into golden-emerald rapture:

If my wickedness be a laughing wickedness, at home among rose-banks and hedges of lilies:

—For in laughter is all evil present, but it is sanctified and absolved by its own bliss:—

And if it be my Alpha and Omega that everything heavy shall become light, every body a dancer, and every spirit a bird: and verily, that is my Alpha and Omega!—

Oh, how could I not be ardent for Eternity, and for the marriage-ring of rings—the ring of the return?

Never yet have I found the woman by whom I should like to have children, unless it be this woman whom I love: for I love thee, O Eternity!

FOR I LOVE THEE, O ETERNITY!

Anonymous Thu Oct 25 02:01:35 2018 No.11985107
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If ever I have spread out a tranquil heaven above me, and have flown into mine own heaven with mine own pinions:

If I have swum playfully in profound luminous distances, and if my freedom's avian wisdom hath come to me:—

—Thus however speaketh avian wisdom:—"Lo, there is no above and no below! Throw thyself about,—outward, backward, thou light one! Sing! speak no more!

—Are not all words made for the heavy? Do not all words lie to the light ones? Sing! speak no more!"—

Oh, how could I not be ardent for Eternity, and for the marriage-ring of rings—the ring of the return?

Never yet have I found the woman by whom I should like to have children, unless it be this woman whom I love: for I love thee, O Eternity!

FOR I LOVE THEE, O ETERNITY!

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 25 02:04:25 2018 No.11985113 >>11984677 Nice

a_poor_sinner !!eiHxl4pZe1i Thu Oct 25 03:43:06 2018 No.11985352
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>>11984022
This.

>>11984013
Because you are a created being. Every minute you experience, even in suffering, is something you were given. Disabling the organs of experience and memory in an attempt to free your self from suffering is to be at odds with your creator, who made you and gave you free will to a purpose.

>>11984606
Based.

>>	a_poor_sinner !!eiHxl4pZe1i Thu Oct 25 03:44:20 2018 No.11985358 File: 342 KB, 600x624, wojakaaaaaa.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>11985096 >tfw ywn... anything... on this pretty blue planet ever again

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 25 03:45:38 2018 No.11985362 >>11984013 Because you have no idea what humanity is working toward or what awaits you after you kill yourself. Why not enjoy the ride?

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 25 04:51:56 2018 No.11985502 >>11984023 >>11984022 major kys

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 25 05:05:04 2018 No.11985526 >>11984085 totally wrong

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 25 05:10:06 2018 No.11985536 Because 20-something brainwashed angsty incels are too dumb to be happy and easily confuse absence of proof with proof of absence

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 25 05:11:31 2018 No.11985541 >>11984606 Basically this

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 25 05:19:27 2018 No.11985558 >>11984013 it would be extremely painful (for other people who love you)

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 25 05:59:42 2018 No.11985637 >>11984013 why commit suicide? im indifferent

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 25 06:07:55 2018 No.11985655 There are no arguments for or against suicide. Do it or don't.

Anonymous Thu Oct 25 06:22:12 2018 No.11985675
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>>11984013
Because it's fun to watch humanity do its stuff? I mean my wish to kill myself simply vanished my fear of death and nonexistence. And since I am no longer afraid to stop existing, I thought I might live a little longer to see what awaits the human race in the future, until I embrace the sweet release of nothingness. Moreover I am free of religion and God, so watching it from a neutral point of view is much funnier.

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 25 06:40:11 2018 No.11985706 >>11984644 >>11984657 >Agnostic: a person who believes that nothing is known or can be known of the existence or nature of God.

Anonymous Thu Oct 25 06:51:41 2018 No.11985730

All these "scientists" are so convinced that conciousness and the soul are generated by the brain as if you are a machine. While this remains one of the greatest unsolved mysteries. No one has been able to prove this, its equally possible your counciousness works more like a tv's signal and our bodies are only the recievers. Meaning when you die the signal doesnt stop. Its one of those dogmas a lot of these pseudointelectuals are extremely blind to.

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 25 07:23:29 2018 No.11985770 >>11985730 All that exist is physical, there's nothing else but matter (and void).

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 25 08:10:43 2018 No.11985879 >>11985770 yeah no

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 25 08:11:33 2018 No.11985880 >>11985770 Dumb

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 25 08:17:13 2018 No.11985901 File: 192 KB, 711x633, 1505767079559.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>11985879 >>11985880 It doesn't matter how much you retarded fucks deny it, that's how is it.

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 25 08:18:45 2018 No.11985909 >>11985901 It just shows a lack of read material. If you read more, or interacted with reality and social environments a bit more, you would see how wrong that is.

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 25 08:19:36 2018 No.11985913 File: 42 KB, 525x525, 1525810324368.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>11985901 Ok, i'm sorry i forgot how intelligent you are for a sec

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 25 08:20:17 2018 No.11985916 Do it fgt

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 25 08:21:20 2018 No.11985919 >>11984489 What? Of course it's possible to never ask if you never are. That's the whole thing when you aren't. You don't do shit and asking is a thing you do

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>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 25 08:25:00 2018 No.11985930 >>11985924 epic meme bro

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 25 08:26:54 2018 No.11985935 >>11984492 why the fuck is that everytime someone has to write like 400 words to explain their point they have always NOTHING to say?

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>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 25 08:27:50 2018 No.11985941 >>11984022 >your life isn't yours to end >read: your life isn't yours But it is. You just said it was. I can do anything I want with my life, including end it if I want. Who else has claim to my life but me?

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 25 08:29:41 2018 No.11985950 >>11984606 >kill themselves >cant accept the fact that they are the source of their pain why is it that every time we have to talk morals, all the idiots come out of the woodwork?

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 25 08:35:26 2018 No.11985976 File: 14 KB, 480x360, hqdefault.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>11985730 >No one has been able to prove this >when all brain activity cease every attribute we assign to "consciousness" or "soul" also cease

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 25 08:38:47 2018 No.11985989 >>11985976 No one has been able to prove that either

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 25 08:40:36 2018 No.11985997 >>11985976 if you don't get the point don't bother replying

Anonymous Thu Oct 25 08:51:51 2018 No.11986021

>>11985989
>>11985997
The point is that as always you fucking psueds pontificate about things that simply are not there and in doing so you shield yourselves from every criticism.
You are so quick to go straight to the fucking end and start talking about soul, and trascendental values and universal truths and when everyone tries to tackle the arguments with a sensible approach so that at least something can be understood of them, you immediately dismiss it.

>nah man, you don't get it, it could be everything, it's all in the hyperuranion, it's all unknowable to us, so you cannot dispute me, you cannot disprove me, I'm right, I can make up whatever the fuck I want I'm always right, am I being /lit/ enough? I have such a fucking big brain.

Fuck off. There are specifical attributes to one's consciusness, soul, identity, and they have to do with memories, emotions, thoughts and when all brain activity cease, those also do.

Everything else is mumbo jumbo.
inb4 some meme replies

Anonymous Thu Oct 25 09:00:19 2018 No.11986040
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>>11986021
Nice strawman there, i never claimed to always be right. You think your worldview is fully rational but in reality its childishly materialistic. The dogma of the soul's and conciousness only possible origin being the brain is so mindlessly taken over by every so called intelectual. Would recommend you to read pic related

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 25 09:02:55 2018 No.11986053 >>11986021 Furthermore there is no sientific consensus on how and why conciousness is generated by the brain, or why and how it came to be. You simply convincing yourself its the truth because it fits your materialistic world view is outright pathetic

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 25 09:03:11 2018 No.11986054 >>11986021 >the monitor is off so the processor is not working

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 25 09:04:55 2018 No.11986060 >imposition of a subjective standard on a would-be objective reality stop telling lies you know to be lies, OP

Anonymous Thu Oct 25 09:13:41 2018 No.11986081

>>11986040
>>11986053
>>11986054
And still, my materialistic point of view stands on legs far stronger than every other theory.
Go to your nana bed while she's in a vegetative state and tell me she's still there as a being.

You can discuss the semantics all you want and maybe in the future something will come up about something else that makes us humans. But until now, it's our fucking brain. Try and reply to me without it.. It's literally the only part of you that's even allowing you to deny it's own importance.
Try and scout in yourself what you think really makes you you, be it a moment, an idea, a set of emotions, a sense of purpose, and then tell me your synapsis have nothing to do with it

You can lose a limb and your identity doesn't change. Get an ictus, and it's all gone.

Anonymous Thu Oct 25 09:22:14 2018 No.11986100

>>11986081
Again you confuse bodily functions with conciousness and the soul its self. I'm not saying the brain does not controll the body here... I don't even disagree with you on the fact that the mind generating conciousness is probably the most likely scenario. But the thing is we don't know how it works, so we can't say for certain. Therefore its a flawed way of thinking to exclude all other options simply because they would be less likely. After all the mere probability of us humans existing is as unlikely as it gets.

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 25 09:26:21 2018 No.11986110 >>11984013 After you.

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 25 09:28:33 2018 No.11986115 fucking kill yourself idiot

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 25 09:31:10 2018 No.11986122 >>11984013 I cannot give life so it is not mine to take, of course, unless it is in defense of my own life.

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 25 09:32:46 2018 No.11986128 >>11985941 He who breathes life into all creation. You can certainly do so, the same as you can destroy another's property, but that doesn't make it your own.

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 25 09:34:18 2018 No.11986132 >>11985770 Do thoughts exist? Are thoughts material?

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 25 09:36:14 2018 No.11986134 >>11986122 >put penis in a vagina >thrust a few times >cum You've now given life, anon. Congratulations!

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 25 09:40:18 2018 No.11986151 >>11985935 Sounds like it went over your head anon.

Anonymous Thu Oct 25 09:42:56 2018 No.11986159

>>11986100
>Therefore its a flawed way of thinking to exclude all other options simply because they would be less likely
I'm not excluding other options. I'm simply not including them because it deevaluates the conversation since these other options are for now unknowable.

Maybe there is a God and his breath is what orders the atoms of our nerotransmitters in the way they do so that we can gain consciousness and that breath is actually the principle of our souls. Sure. I can come up with a lot fo stuff

The point is, as always, that the leap beetween the logical plane and the ontological one, mystifies the discussion. Hence my original point.
It's too easy to talk about unknowable things so that we can immediately stifle every discussion and put on the same plane every argument. But not all arguments have the same dignity.
>No one has been able to prove this
>its equally possible your counciousness works more like a tv's signal and our bodies are only the recievers.

For now, this is false. What we call soul manifest itselfs in us trough a series of cerebral responses. This is as far as we got to it now and thus when we talk about soul we should stick to indentify it to those responses. The semantic of the word could change in the future, sure, but for now it is what it is and changing it only contributes to void the word of actual meaning.

Again, this is so important to me and it's such a recurrent fallacy in /lit/ arguments.
Just because we can think it, it doesn't mean something is. And some things do are.
And just because the unknowable surely is, it doesn't mean that all the knowledge is falsifiable
It's intellectually dishonest.

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 25 09:43:58 2018 No.11986161 >>11986132 Yes. Get a brain scan and you can literally see them on a monitor

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 25 09:45:16 2018 No.11986163 I dont think it really matters. Some people are emotionally invested in the game they're playing though.

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 25 09:46:25 2018 No.11986167 >>11984022 based confucian poster

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 25 09:47:37 2018 No.11986171 >>11986161 Incorrect, you do not see thoughts you see chemicals interacting. Thoughts themselves exist but they are not material. There is certainly a link between the material and the immaterial, and that is the proper question to ask.

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 25 09:48:57 2018 No.11986175 >>11986134 Very low IQ response, anon. You do not create life through sex you merely perpetuate the life that was given to you and your lineage tracing back to the first being whom was given life.

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 25 09:49:50 2018 No.11986176 >>11986171 It's your appetite immaterial?

Anonymous Thu Oct 25 09:53:50 2018 No.11986183

>>11985096
True, but that's not up to you; you're going to die no matter what. However, you will be missing out on your potential life if you cut it short.
Keep in mind that I tend to support people who want to kill themselves because our lives are the only thing we hold real power over, and if they want to end it so be it.

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 25 09:56:28 2018 No.11986189 >>11986176 Define appetite and I will tell you.

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 25 09:58:15 2018 No.11986194 >>11986189 The sensation of needing to eat

Anonymous Thu Oct 25 10:04:36 2018 No.11986211

>>11986189
Also I love that every argument about reality always ends up here, like words are not enough.
>define a commonly accepted noun
Like you don't know what the fuck "appetite".

Words are more than enough if you pretentious fuck actually owned all the bullshit you're always sperging over. But you don't and we always end up here.
>well, define sensation, define love, define soul, define identity, define the concept of concept

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 25 10:09:23 2018 No.11986227 >>11984013 Where does the meme that suicide is the only interesting philosophical question come from? It's some next level brainlet shit.

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 25 10:13:15 2018 No.11986240 >>11986227 Camus

Anonymous Thu Oct 25 10:15:15 2018 No.11986245

>>11986159
>For now, this is false. What we call soul manifest itselfs in us trough a series of cerebral responses. This is as far as we got to it now and thus when we talk about soul we should stick to indentify it to those responses.

I don't see how this demonstrates dualism is false or the soul is 'merely' equivalent to physical brain states and interactions as opposed to correlative. I agree the lack of definitive answers to questions, and in this case metaphysical questions, does not mean all given answers no matter how outlandish are on equal footing. Of course not. That the entire universe is made possible through the imagination of my dog, and we're only tricked into believing anything existed before his birth through false memories and records, and everything will cease to exist once he dies, is not by default a serious thesis just because we cannot definitively answer the question as of yet because it has no strong supporting arguments. However, you are ignoring there are in fact some very strong arguments for a non-physicalist worldview, and physicalism does not become the default answer without some strong supporting arguments of its own.

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 25 10:23:41 2018 No.11986270 >>11984013 Nah, too much work. Im too lazy for it.

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 25 10:40:50 2018 No.11986329 For those that want to kill themselves: what do you do for work?

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 25 10:45:34 2018 No.11986345 >>11986329 Warehouse labourer.

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 25 10:48:42 2018 No.11986363 >>11986345 Hey man I used to do that, now I sell cars. Just gotta move up my maaaan passes /lit/ blunt

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 25 10:51:13 2018 No.11986379 >>11986363 That sounds worse.

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 25 10:55:19 2018 No.11986395 >>11984492 >sacred question of life spooky

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 25 10:55:35 2018 No.11986399 >>11986379 It’s not? I mean you’re just interacting with people and socializing with them. Nothing wrong with that job. It’s not worse than Warehouse work, I can tell you that

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 25 10:57:14 2018 No.11986405 >>11984780 sad clowns rise up

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 25 10:57:30 2018 No.11986407 It's a sin

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 25 10:59:25 2018 No.11986412 >>11984013 You will die anyway. Your death will be a tragedy. Before you die good things can happen.

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 25 11:00:29 2018 No.11986416 >>11986395 >People shouldn't be wrong!!! You are far more spooked than he is.

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 25 11:06:06 2018 No.11986451 I believe it's because people have an underlying desire to live and it's more of you looking for reasons to end shit because shit is hard.

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 25 11:08:34 2018 No.11986461 >>11986211 Precise topics require precise language, shiteater

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 25 11:13:15 2018 No.11986470 >>11986461 >require It's a shame, it's a shame, really. Mmm, mm. A pity. A shame and a pity.

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 25 11:13:36 2018 No.11986471 >>11986407 jesus died on purpose

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 25 11:14:47 2018 No.11986478 >>11986416 >>People shouldn't be wrong!!! what did he mean by this

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 25 11:16:44 2018 No.11986487 >>11986478 OooOOOo It means that you don't take your own claims seriously. I don't believe spooks being spooks negate their values at all. In fact, the realm of spooks is so vast it's the only are of existence where values (reasons to see work) exist.

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 25 11:18:00 2018 No.11986493 >>11984413 The great computer in Harry Martinson's Aniara kills itself out of despair over humanity's mistreatment of Earth and eachother. Off topic, but that's some real good shit.

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 25 12:11:17 2018 No.11986689 >>11986227 Actually, it’s quite profound =]

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 25 12:20:19 2018 No.11986732 >>11986461 >precise language >define appetite

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 25 12:34:45 2018 No.11986787 >>11984013 Is "because I don't want to" a big brained enough answer?

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 25 12:38:05 2018 No.11986808 >>11984013 I want to make others suffer.

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 25 13:10:12 2018 No.11986925 File: 29 KB, 480x308, 5ABB2564-00F8-4426-BF45-01B31FCCCD27.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>11984030 Based & redpilled

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 25 13:17:13 2018 No.11986941 >>11984677 Based

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 25 13:53:11 2018 No.11987067 >>11984013 There is no reason why you shouldn't, kill yourself.

Anonymous Thu Oct 25 14:06:51 2018 No.11987106
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>>11984617
>but the city is the same city before and after.
In name only. I forgot which comedian said it but he had a brilliant analogy about watching his wife give birth where he equated it to watching his favorite restaurant go down in a terrible fire. Eventually they get around to rebuilding it, they have a grand reopening with the same name and act like everything is back to normal but YOU know its just not the same. The head chef died in the fire, the menu is different, the staff is full of literally who kids now, nothing tastes the same. Erasing your memories would make you not you to anyone that knew you since they play a large role in how you behave and interact going forward. I'd argue memory is among the most important thing if we're trying to nail down what makes up a human. Maybe THE most important thing.

Anonymous Thu Oct 25 14:33:39 2018 No.11987192
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>>11984606
>You're doing it to yourself. If you've gotten far enough to realize none of it matters anyway, take the last step and realize that literally none of it matters, including your demoralization and negative value judgments, and that you are completely free to be happy if you so choose.

experience Ego death and join God.

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 25 14:35:44 2018 No.11987199 >>11986471 >*to a purpose FTFY

Anonymous Thu Oct 25 14:40:38 2018 No.11987218
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>>11987106
> I'd argue memory is among the most important thing if we're trying to nail down what makes up a human. Maybe THE most important thing.
I agree with this premise, but I also don't.
Memory and Consciousness are not the same. Consciousness uses Memory. Even if you were wiped clean of it, (you) would still be there. Memories are Memes of the Mind, embedded with emotions, errors and past perceptions. Memories just track your experiences and how these reacted with your Psyche and other individualsl.

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 25 15:06:22 2018 No.11987314 >>11986399 I think trying to lie to people all day in order to sell vehicles sounds incredibly depressing.

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 25 15:50:18 2018 No.11987535 >>11985706 I don't think you can know so I assume the worst.

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 25 15:52:21 2018 No.11987547 >>11987314 These days very often people just don’t lie anymore. There is a lot of reasons for that, but there are institutions set up out there to make sure the deal goes through with little negotiations

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 25 15:52:45 2018 No.11987551 >>11985976 Do Christians believe people in comas don't have souls?

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 25 15:59:06 2018 No.11987581 >>11984022 Then who is it theirs to end?

Anonymous Thu Oct 25 16:16:03 2018 No.11987654

>>11984042
Do the following.
>Today
Write "4chan's /lit/ 10/25/2018" on a piece of paper, take a photograph of it. Include your thumb in the pic, make sure fingerprint is clear.
Upload to /lit/, save the piece of paper.
>In 150 years
Print a news report of something that has happened today (I mean, "today" in 150 years).
Whip out the piece of paper you've been saving for the last 150 years. Under the text you had previously written, put a new sentence: "Hello world 10/25/2168". Take a photograph of it. Include your thumb in the pic, make sure fingerprint is clear. Also include the printed report in the pic.
Upload to whatever is the most popular website in the future.

>Your prize
A great-great-granddaughter of mine will be waiting for it. If true, she'll offer you a blowjob.

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 25 16:19:02 2018 No.11987668 >>11987581 Probably god, or me >>11987654 Are you retarded

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 25 16:25:37 2018 No.11987690 >>11984022 Y I K E S

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 25 16:29:59 2018 No.11987709 >>11987654 See >>11984096 I can guarantee you some of us will live to be 200, without technological enhancements because we are the regeneration of a perfect creation

Anonymous Thu Oct 25 18:40:36 2018 No.11988297
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>>11984022
The thought that this might hold actual value in someones mind TERRIFIES me.
>Shackled from birth to death, your destiny is that of an obeying slave. Enjoy "your" life to the fullest.
Absolutely terrifying.

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 25 18:49:37 2018 No.11988338 >>11984022 What a spook

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 25 18:52:26 2018 No.11988351 >>11984022 hmmm I'm surprised I triggered so many people. Obviously this applies only for people who are loved by someone or love someone else (your family counts, stupid). So maybe 4chan was the wrong place to assume that

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 25 19:03:32 2018 No.11988384 For you to kill yourself you must first believe in the illusion that you exist

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 25 22:34:14 2018 No.11989128 >not riding this bitch out to see how crazy shit gets

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 25 23:05:33 2018 No.11989261 File: 84 KB, 464x302, t3_189_1.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] I've tried, it doesn't work. Now I'm mostly just observing what happens in the world.

Anonymous Thu Oct 25 23:34:32 2018 No.11989359

>>11987106
I can not accept the comparison between losing staff and losing memories. The staff of a restaurant, those which produce food, those which present food, and those which do all other maintenance and craft required to support this primary functions are quite different from memories. Memories do not perform the functions that we humans perform, instead they merely tell us what those functions were, and thusly suggest what they could be. Losing all staff therefore, would be more similar to losing your present arms and legs. Replacing that staff would then of course imply a replacement of those arms and legs. Your new appendages may be better, perhaps more likely worse, but they will undoubtedly be different than before.

>>	Anonymous Fri Oct 26 00:52:13 2018 No.11989639 >>11989261 fuck

>>	Anonymous Fri Oct 26 00:52:54 2018 No.11989641 >>11985675 most based post itt

>>	Anonymous Fri Oct 26 00:55:09 2018 No.11989649 do you guys think we can orgasm without bodies?

>>	Anonymous Fri Oct 26 00:57:28 2018 No.11989656 >>11989649 dude what

>>	Anonymous Fri Oct 26 00:58:38 2018 No.11989658 >>11989649 yeah

>>	Anonymous Fri Oct 26 01:16:03 2018 No.11989717 >>11989656 what

>>	Anonymous Fri Oct 26 01:55:17 2018 No.11989836 >>11985096 I mean that’s likely but did you predict being born? I’m not entirely convinced that emergent properties won’t continue to get more advanced. We’re literally enmeshed with the universe; any number of results could occur

>>	Anonymous Fri Oct 26 01:58:45 2018 No.11989844 >>11984492 you sound like a dumb 17 year old who thinks he's saying something highbrow and interesting.

Anonymous Fri Oct 26 02:07:48 2018 No.11989865

>>11984013
Death is inevitable. Life is, as far as you know, a singular experience that -positive or negative- is preferable to nothingness, which you will reach irreguardless. Chasing positive experiences is the best-case scenario for any living being.

>>	Anonymous Fri Oct 26 02:07:55 2018 No.11989866 >>11989649 Probably all the time

>>	Anonymous Fri Oct 26 02:09:14 2018 No.11989869 File: 130 KB, 586x440, 1531598218930.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>11989865 >irreguardless

>>	55iquinkdtt Fri Oct 26 02:25:43 2018 No.11989890 File: 41 KB, 313x313, 1381795_1-2.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] but how do u kno tho u get to nothingness maybe there's heaven and hell and we should kill ourselbves cause earth sucks ass

>>	Anonymous Fri Oct 26 02:27:25 2018 No.11989893 >>11984013 Because I have instincts programmed under my skin.

>>	Anonymous Fri Oct 26 02:50:53 2018 No.11989930 >>11984492 take that head out of your ass, that cock out of your mouth and kys

Anonymous Fri Oct 26 04:09:59 2018 No.11990111

It is an entirely appropriate and acceptable thing to do. I think you have to attach importance to your activities and once that ceases to have meaning it makes no more sense to be alive. Personally I would like to kill my self after I am finished beingfeeling useful.

>>	Anonymous Fri Oct 26 05:34:56 2018 No.11990249 >>11988351 So according to you, if your family doesn't love you, you can kill yourself? Or you mean that your family can decide upon your death? What the fuck went wrong with you during your childhood ?

>>	Anonymous Fri Oct 26 05:38:29 2018 No.11990255 >>11984022 >your life isn't yours Lol k Fucking christcucks I swear

>>	Anonymous Fri Oct 26 05:43:37 2018 No.11990262 >>11984492 >Sacred Lmao, you Christ larpers are the best. Do you also hate trannies because they're Degenerate and stray from gods path?

>>	Anonymous Fri Oct 26 05:46:20 2018 No.11990272 >>11985362 Lmao, how the fuck do you believe in humanity and its ability to surprise you positively

>>	Anonymous Fri Oct 26 05:49:41 2018 No.11990279 >>11990111 So you think of yourself as a tool?

>>	Anonymous Fri Oct 26 05:53:56 2018 No.11990287 File: 562 KB, 1823x998, lmao.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>11984042 >>For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life

>>	Anonymous Fri Oct 26 06:08:26 2018 No.11990302 >>11984606 You aren't free to be happy if you are in constant pain, idiot. You can be accepting of your suffering. Content if you will. Which makes you barely human and probably boring to be around.

Anonymous Fri Oct 26 06:14:11 2018 No.11990310

Here is my rationale as to why I don’t kill myself: There is not a rational reason for anyone to kill themselves. No matter how bad their circumstances, they can almost always make a change, move, etc., especially in the developed world. And there is no telling what tomorrow may bring. The bigger question then is how does one make the necessary changes to alleviate the suffering, hopeless despair and fantasies of suicide? In the developed world the answer and change always requires courage, maybe courage alone. So if all that I need to do requires courage and I’m too cowardly to do what is necessary then I deserve my suffering and should not be allowed to kill myself but suffer more and as long as possible. And because I am too cowardly to make those necessary changes I am also too cowardly to kill myself.

>>	Anonymous Fri Oct 26 06:18:05 2018 No.11990316 >>11990310 What if you're a schioid and every day if suffering?

>>	Anonymous Fri Oct 26 06:34:29 2018 No.11990340 there isnat a day that goes by i dont think about it. Im a wretched neet with no future. Pain, and the idea there is no after life is what is stopping me. And i need to delete some stuff from my computer

>>	Anonymous Fri Oct 26 07:09:25 2018 No.11990408 >>11990316 Ask your parents to kill you.

>>	Anonymous Fri Oct 26 07:32:27 2018 No.11990450 Because I'm not depressed anymore. And because the mask of bone with shifting carvings told me to see this through.

>>	Anonymous Fri Oct 26 08:08:02 2018 No.11990505 >>11987581 It's mine

Anonymous Fri Oct 26 08:11:14 2018 No.11990509

>>11984013
>>11984013
>Why not commit suicide?
'cuz I don't want to?

Okay yea theoretically it's all logical, and we'll die anyways, and there's no meaning to life, and life is mostly suffering, and blablabla it all makes "theoretical" sense to commit yourself to suicide. it's a logical decision, sure.

But like, I don't wanna. It's a "logical decision" to eat a salad every now and then, but, like I don't wanna. I don't wanna. I don't want to jump off a building. I don't want to do the action. Jump? no. Go on top of a building? No. Which building anyways? The building I'm in is 3 stories. I have to find a building? I don't want to search for a building to jump off of, sounds boring. And then I have to figure out how to get on top of it? That's just a lot of work man. I don't want to put a gun to my head and pull the trigger either, it's so dramatic it's off putting. I don't want to consume a handful of pills, they would taste bad, I'd rather eat a german sausage. Suffocate myself with fumes coming out of my car? Well.. how do I do that? I have to WikiHow that shit like a loser, and then make sure I don't fuck up. If there's an air leak, I might not be successful.

It's all work man getting out of bed is work. And it's a lot of work to commit suicide, especially if there are no convenient methods.

>>	Anonymous Fri Oct 26 09:16:20 2018 No.11990640 >>11984013 i just quit my job and got hired to work on a fishing vessel in the arctic. I am 30. I have to tell my girlfriend tonight. If I didn’t do this, I would have killed myself.

>>	Anonymous Fri Oct 26 09:21:00 2018 No.11990656 >>11990640 >fishing vessel in the arctic. trust me I have been there it's wet hard and depressing especially during the winter. Don't do it.

>>	Anonymous Fri Oct 26 09:41:38 2018 No.11990715 >>11984013 If you're talking about you it's probably because you're going to a temporary phase of pain and will experience something worthwhile soon enough. If you are talking about me then it's my duty to serve Allah.

Anonymous Fri Oct 26 09:41:58 2018 No.11990717

>>11990509
That's one big waste of a post to ignore the question.

Why don't you want to commit suicide despite acknowledging it's logical? Actually think about it rather than trying to be a special snowflake and missing the fact that your argument falls apart when considering that making the choice of living life entails more exertion than ending it.

>>11984013
Because the universe is designed in a way that makes everything gradually decay. No matter how deep into nihilism you dive, how "done" you are with life; give it a week and you'll be back on your bullshit. You literally cannot oppose nature's/evolution's pull. No matter how smart you are, no matter how woke you are, some part inside you is a slave to your instinct. Least you can do is be a good slave and work for daddy god.

>>	Anonymous Fri Oct 26 09:44:31 2018 No.11990725 >>11990262 Yes

>>	Anonymous Fri Oct 26 09:48:20 2018 No.11990741 >>11985675 >>11986808 based >>11989865 something people come up with in high school and carry with them an embarrasingly long time >>11985352 >>11984890 decently woke

>>	Anonymous Fri Oct 26 09:52:11 2018 No.11990752 >>11984042 then ill prerish obamaface

Anonymous Fri Oct 26 10:09:16 2018 No.11990813

>>11990717
>Why don't you want to commit suicide despite acknowledging it's logical
Exactly m8, I don't WANT to commit suicide. It may be the logical conclusion, but I don't WANT to. I should save money, it is logical to do so. but I don't WANT to. I should eat vegetables, but I don't WANT to. It's not logical to smoke another cigarette, but I WANT to, because I am addicted.

>Actually think about it rather
I have, and I have realized that actually thinking about it doesn't change anything. I still don't want to go through the trouble of finding a tall building, and then trying to find out how to get to the top floor, and then jump. So much work. I'm sure if I had access to a gun I would have killed myself by now, because there were two seperate times in my life when I really wanted to kill myself. An actual desire to die - not just logical, abstract thought. And my thinking, and my logic hasn't changed from those times. What has changed are circumstances, my mood.

>Your argument falls apart when considering that making the choice of living life entails more exertion than ending it.
Not necessarily. The choice of living life is made automatically for me, so there's really not much exertion on my part. I just have to make sure to do a few things along the way - eat food, drink water, etc. And those are pretty easy, in fact, I enjoy them. So keeping myself alive, by eating a hot dog and drinking some water doesn't require much exertion - although you are right, it requires more exertion than pulling a trigger. But, as I said, that doesn't change anything, because I'm not in the mood to commit suicide.

Anonymous Fri Oct 26 10:29:40 2018 No.11990907
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Why kill yourself? You honestly think that your life is so shit that death is a better alternative? You little shits think that absolute euphoria is a prerequisite to enjoy life.

Anonymous Fri Oct 26 12:32:03 2018 No.11991283

>>11990907
Any kind of emotion is a prerequisite to enjoy life. Physical, social interaction is a prerequisite to enjoy life. Using your intellectual capabilities, your physical capabilities, exploring your creativity, discovering new things, etc. are prerequisites to enjoying life.

Can't really have that if you're wageslaving to pay off your student loans eating ramen every night in a rented 20m^2 shithole appartment, can you?

Anonymous Fri Oct 26 12:45:30 2018 No.11991332
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>>11984013
Life is limitless potential. If you actually got up off your lazy ass for a minute and fucking DID SOMETHING instead of shitposting on a Mozambican wood carving forum who knows what you could achieve?

I mean sure, if you're not planning on achieving anything for the rest of your life then it'd be better if you did us all a favour and offed yourself right now, but why not actually try for once in your life and see what happens? Or is that too much like hard work?

Anonymous Fri Oct 26 12:59:35 2018 No.11991379

>>11984013

the way I see it there's really only 3 outcomes when you get down to it

1. Your life is pretty good overall or at the least you're relatively healthy mentally and physically and can have some kind of hope for the future.

2. Your life isn't very good at all but you're mind is protecting you through whatever inbuilt hard coded survival mechanisms it and all your ancestors used to get to this point.

3. You don't have a reason not to. You're already dead bucko.

Anonymous Fri Oct 26 13:05:36 2018 No.11991393

>>11991283
Oh please, you only choose to feel shitty in that situation. You choose a job that you don’t like, and now you get what you asked for. If you got a job you liked and still had loans you wouldn’t bitch as much. You can explore countless things due to the connectivity that the internet offers, I learned how to speak some Spanish because of that. You need to have a will to learn and explore if you actually want to do those things.

>>	Anonymous Fri Oct 26 13:11:40 2018 No.11991411 >>11984387 Well, you did not NOT ask to be created, so checkmate.

>>	Anonymous Fri Oct 26 13:52:28 2018 No.11991543 >>11990287 imagine how LEGENDARY an argument between these six would be!

>>	Anonymous Fri Oct 26 14:29:23 2018 No.11991678 >>11988351 No it was a good argument. Fuck these homos

Anonymous Fri Oct 26 14:41:55 2018 No.11991731

>>11984067
Yes, for by not remembering the experience you have not missed out on any potential pleasure, but during the experience you will experience pleasure. In the end you don't lose anything by having said experience, but you have gained something, even if it was for just a moment.

>>	Anonymous Fri Oct 26 14:50:36 2018 No.11991763 >>11989866 so like it might as well be a no right?

>>	Anonymous Fri Oct 26 14:51:39 2018 No.11991767 >>11990272 Because there are an infinite number of things humanity can do.

>>	Anonymous Fri Oct 26 14:58:12 2018 No.11991800 >>11986040 Regardless if you are a materialist or not, materialism isn't a trait you'd attribute to a child.

>>	Anonymous Fri Oct 26 15:00:18 2018 No.11991805 >>11986081 >It's literally the only part of you that's even allowing you to deny it's own importance. How does this statement support your argument?

>>	Anonymous Fri Oct 26 15:10:34 2018 No.11991854 >>11984494 Because the ones that didnt had the will to survive didnt pass their genes. Survival is just stuck in the instinc of the ones that live and pass on. Its just the most important evolution characteristic for an especie.

>>	Anonymous Fri Oct 26 15:12:12 2018 No.11991861 File: 450 KB, 500x433, jHjHumCX6uSey55oesY0ZhoIy6YqW7oBvxF_Bunf3PM.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] If god exists and you kill yourself you're pretty fucked.

>>	Anonymous Fri Oct 26 15:13:44 2018 No.11991871 >>11990813 I see where your points are coming from, but they ignore the question OP asked. Why do you think there are people defending suicide in this thread, when they logically should've killed themselves?

Anonymous Fri Oct 26 15:20:16 2018 No.11991904

>>11984494

This is kinda specious and ridden with survival bias, life that doesn't have an incredibly powerful survival instinct simply dies out. It's that simple, nothing special about it.

However, I think you're close to something, the fact that all living things can die and must die is certainly special (it's non-trivial at least). That is , perhaps, the closest thing to divine instruction: thou shalt die (at some point).

>>	Anonymous Fri Oct 26 15:24:37 2018 No.11991923 >>11991861 if ztomke-mnu exists and you don't kill yourself/die in battle, you're pretty fucked. yes I just made that up now, problem?

Anonymous Fri Oct 26 15:41:27 2018 No.11992023
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>>11991923
I mean if you're smart I can do a full Bayesian analysis, but you're probably not. I'll explain this using as little big boy words as possible.

1. Humans are loss adverse
2. God could be anything
3. Which means any afterlife could be infinitely better or worse.
--
It logically follows that suicide is a bad idea. Hope that cleared things up your fucking retard.

Anonymous Fri Oct 26 16:29:29 2018 No.11992239

>>11992023
>bayesian inference concerning the supernatural
>net neutral scenario proves the affirmative because of human emotion
ztomke-mnu disapproves of your herecy: you will be relegated to the afterworld's stinging pits until you are broken into vanguard fodder

>>	Anonymous Fri Oct 26 16:32:16 2018 No.11992251 >>11992239 Holy shit you're stupid. What do you think value is?

>>	Anonymous Fri Oct 26 16:37:09 2018 No.11992277 >>11992251 your fate is already sealed; insults will not help you gain bnupka. your inferior culture provides your grief, and the measure of your soul strains against the great empty.

>>	Anonymous Fri Oct 26 16:40:25 2018 No.11992295 >>11992277 Ah but my god Gumpta beats your god, and my god gumpta gives a random afterlife. So we're back to Bayes

>>	Anonymous Fri Oct 26 16:40:37 2018 No.11992297 >>11992277 checked and kek’d

>>	Anonymous Fri Oct 26 17:19:42 2018 No.11992443 >>11984013 Committing suicide is basically admitting that life succeeded in breaking you. There are some exceptions to this, but it's true for the majority of people that killed themselves.

>>	Anonymous Fri Oct 26 21:18:21 2018 No.11993383 >>11984013 Give me a reason to.

>>	Anonymous Fri Oct 26 22:16:19 2018 No.11993676 >>11985072 >>11985076 >>11985078 >>11985085 >>11985093 >>11985100 >>11985107 epic

Anonymous Fri Oct 26 22:37:09 2018 No.11993759

>>11984013
Because there is a perverse pleasure to be had in suffering. My suffering is an affirmation of my existence - to be truly alive you must suffer, but only a existential suffering, all other forms of suffering are unintelligible and should be eliminated from your life. And in this hell that I reside in, where the stench of all that have died is inhaled in a single breath, I am inspired to transcend the debased existence in favor of a magnificent reality; where I won't become part of the gastronomical subjects for the Black One. To end your life is the become flesh to be forgotten, and forever lost. Meaningless, and worthless.

>>	Anonymous Fri Oct 26 23:54:52 2018 No.11993992 >>11991800 that's because children quite naturally believe in God. You have to put in work not to believe in him.

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 27 00:29:44 2018 No.11994095 >>11984013 I don't think it's possible. I think the consciousness simply moves to the nearest functional path with relative similarity.

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 27 00:32:34 2018 No.11994102 Because I'd rather be alive than dead

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 27 00:44:27 2018 No.11994133 >>11984042 Based God

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 27 01:08:15 2018 No.11994217 can't find anything to kill myself with

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 27 01:34:04 2018 No.11994313 >>11994217 shovel, fridge door, fleshlight

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 27 01:49:34 2018 No.11994376 >>11994217 choke on your own semen

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 27 01:54:06 2018 No.11994388 File: 651 KB, 500x730, 1531437100323.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>11994313 >tfw wheelchair-bound and too physically weak to use those >>11994376 would get caught by someone

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 27 03:58:13 2018 No.11994637 >>11984518 >wah I have to wake up at an earlier time than i want to i should fucking kill my self Maybe you should you weak faggot

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 27 04:02:56 2018 No.11994647 >>11991332 Based

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 27 04:03:00 2018 No.11994648 >>11984013 My life is pretty okay at present. Besides, we're all going to die anyway, so might as well just wait.

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 27 04:03:16 2018 No.11994649 >>11984809 Mental illness is not separate from the human condition. If anything, mental illness amplifies certain aspects of the human condition.

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 27 04:05:42 2018 No.11994652 Because there are still some cool books to check out and films to watch

Anonymous Sat Oct 27 12:04:26 2018 No.11995531

>>11984022
>this
As Teenager i went through a pretty depressed phase. This was pretty much the thought that changed me from the ground up.

Since the birth of man your line of ancestors can be traced back. You are and will always be the product of the struggle and achievments of your ancestors. Even your personality is partly determined by your genes.
And If you end it you are not only ending your life but declearing all suffering and every single struggle of your ancestors meaningless. Their highest good, the survival of the legacy ended

So stop this depressed bullshit and man the fuck up. Build something that will survive time

Anonymous Sat Oct 27 12:12:14 2018 No.11995564
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>>11984606
You've never considered suicide? Are you fucking kidding me? Why? And what should people that HAVE considered suicide do?

Why haven't you killed yourself? If i were you i would do excactly what i felt like for a couple of months then kill myself. How are you going to tell me what prevents you from even THINKING about suicide, without it being something that doesn't apply to every other human in existence. And WHEN it DOESN'T apply to someone i suppose you will have nothing to offer but to load the gun for them.

Things that do not apply to everyone: Morality, relationships, dignity, belief, curiosity and indulgence.

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 27 12:13:45 2018 No.11995570 >>11984606 >You're in pain? I'm in much more pain than you are and i'm fine with it! >T-thanks

Anonymous Sat Oct 27 12:37:45 2018 No.11995658

>>11984013
Because I don't want to die and I do what I want. Simple as that.

>>11984442
I am a bit like you. I don't give a fuck anymore though. Because whats even the difference between being dead and not being dead? When I am alive I feel things and desires. I feel pleasure and pain and when I am dead much probably I do not. But if I felt all sorts of pleasures and pains and desires for 20 years or for 40 what difference does it really make? I am just an ape who had such and such electrical currents through my brain or did not. I'd rather do something cool with my life, even if I was a paraplegic without my arms and everything I could do was make paintings with my nose. I would feel like I used my life for something.

Also, did you reach a point where you hear voices as well?

>>11984484
LoL How can I feel regret after I hanged myself? Wouldn't be dead imply I can't feel anything?

>>11984492
LoL

>>11985107
Noice

>>11985675
Being through a spell of deathwish is the best way to really enjoy life.

>>11989649
You can orgasm using only your mind. So probably yes

Anonymous Sat Oct 27 12:42:01 2018 No.11995667
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>>11984013
After thinking about it i guess it comes down to two questions. If either one is answered then there is a reason not to commit suicide.

1. Is there anything worth doing/experiencing for a person whom is uncaring for natural human desires and values, AKA objectively worth it? These reasons must be strong enough to outweigh any suffering encountered in life, and if they are subjective, they exclude anyone not lucky enough to be subjected by them to suicide. If they cannot outweigh any immediate suffering then suicide is again the answer.

2. Is life sacred? This would mean that even through excruciating and endless torture, the ability to experience itself, outweighs any percieved suffering. I have no idea how one could find a reason to argue for this without being entirely subjective.

If one is to assume we cannot judge by ourselves the avoidability of our suffering, then one is also to assume we cannot judge by ourselves any reasons to live, wether they truly exist, or wether we can successfully attain them.

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 27 13:37:27 2018 No.11995849 >>11984013 i almost got the red riding hood skin on fortnite

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 27 13:41:46 2018 No.11995865 File: 227 KB, 677x782, 1539630523301.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>11985352 >purpose alright then lets have it, whats my purpose.

Anonymous Sat Oct 27 13:55:06 2018 No.11995925

the only reason I can think of not to commit suicide is the complete unknowing of what happens after death. There is no telling if reincarnation does in fact exist, and your suicide was just another painful experience in an unending sequence of pitiful experiences.
Then it becomes a matter of if a definite end-state can be determined within this lifetime (as in this cycle you have realized life's miserable reality). You should live long enough either to 1) find a way out of the cycle or 2) thoroughly convince yourself that there is no life after death.

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 27 14:42:16 2018 No.11996086 >>11984606 >they are the source of their pain Eye-opening.

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 27 14:45:45 2018 No.11996104 >>11984677 I guess they never miss.

Anonymous Sat Oct 27 14:52:25 2018 No.11996130
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>>11985941
>mfw I can kill anything my hand can reach and god can't stop me
>mfw I'm supposed to believe I will suffer punishment in the imagination land after my brain stops functioning

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 27 14:58:46 2018 No.11996158 >>11986128 >mfw I can kill anything my hand can reach and god can't stop me >mfw I'm supposed to believe I will suffer punishment in the imagination land after my brain stops functioning

Anonymous Sat Oct 27 15:04:56 2018 No.11996186

>>11995925
>There is no telling if reincarnation does in fact exist
It's 2018 and it's gotten fucking awkard for all religions and spiritual peoples because zero evidence and zero confirmed cases of anything supernatural ever happening in the history of the world has ever been even close to confirmed, reincarnation is the same type of shit

Anonymous Sat Oct 27 17:29:45 2018 No.11996707

>>11989261
yes, i'm doing the same thing, after realising there's no way of getting what i want in life i've resigned myself to simply observing what goes on around me

>>11991332
completely untrue, you are dealt the cards you are given and you deal with those

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 27 17:31:13 2018 No.11996712 File: 27 KB, 661x469, schopenhauer.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>11984013 >Why not commit suicide? Makes my family sad, which is a convenient excuse for me to pussy out even though I talk shit about existence all the time.

Anonymous Sat Oct 27 19:10:50 2018 No.11997066

>>11984067
You're assuming life is only about experiences. Experiences have flaws that require mementos to be useful, so the answer would be no.

If you had an infimal chance to discover how an ancient mistery that to any other human looks like a miracle that defies logic, would you try to understand it?

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 27 19:16:18 2018 No.11997082 >>11984013 Most people’s instinct to survive outweighs the rational conclusion that life could be meaningless. Religion also uses scare tactics by saying you’ll go to hell if you kill yourself.

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 27 19:21:00 2018 No.11997101 >>11984013 suicide is the only answer kill life before it kills you

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 27 19:25:54 2018 No.11997116 >>11987192 Do you know any kaballah anon. >inb4 muh joos

Anonymous Sat Oct 27 19:30:21 2018 No.11997127
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>>11984492
this in a way

remember that el mutto from /r9k/ who blew his head off with a shotgun? exactly, nobody fucking does but it was a big meme for like 2 days and then everyone forgot, I was contemplating how sad that is while taking a shit this afternoon, especially when I remember his mother crying when she came in to his room and saw his noggin splattered over the wall

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 27 19:41:10 2018 No.11997168 >kill yourself >get reincarnated as a germ in another dimension nice work losers, but I'm gonna be a wack entity surfing the cosmos after I leave behind an above average life, suck my cock

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 27 19:56:24 2018 No.11997237 >>11995658 Dude if you start hearing voices, it's some schizophrenia symptoms

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 27 19:57:37 2018 No.11997243 >>11997168 >kill yourself >get reincarnated and realize you were a germ in this dimension

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 27 20:02:42 2018 No.11997261 File: 254 KB, 500x625, gaga.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>11984809 >natural part of the human condition kek

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 27 20:04:36 2018 No.11997265 >>11984013 >>11986122 >I cannot give life Only because you don't have any to give. Which is my answer to the OP: I don't commit suicide because I have life, and I love giving it.

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 27 20:29:08 2018 No.11997348 >>11997082 How is that answer rational?

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 27 20:30:14 2018 No.11997352 >>11996186 >t.retard

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 27 20:31:27 2018 No.11997355 >>11986183 You make decisions every day that affect the potency of the duration of you life. Does that count as suicide?

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 27 20:32:29 2018 No.11997360 >>11986329 student

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 27 20:32:44 2018 No.11997361 File: 131 KB, 500x560, 1517092984440.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>11997355 presumably those things have some sort of benefit that makes the trade-off worth it.

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 27 20:37:16 2018 No.11997377 >>11989865 >Read about epicurus one time

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 27 20:44:30 2018 No.11997410 File: 53 KB, 640x640, 8ab.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>11996130

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 27 20:44:48 2018 No.11997411 File: 1.79 MB, 384x216, wBm2cN0.gif [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>11990255 >being an atheist on /lit/ in 2018 lolwut

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 27 20:45:03 2018 No.11997412 >>11997352 what reason does anyone have to believe reincarnation you fucking faggot bitch don't respond because what does anyone have to fucking say against hard materialists, I can break your glass chin with one punch

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 27 20:53:21 2018 No.11997438 >>11997412 lmao the retard is angry. What evidence do you have that your senses correctly interpret reality?

Anonymous Sat Oct 27 21:04:51 2018 No.11997501

>>11997438
so a reason for believing reincarnation would be that maybe, hypothetically, in your imagination but maybe also in reality my senses are not interpreting reality as it should? My evidence is I'm not a solipsist and there's kinda of a general agreement between people about what is reality and what works

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 27 21:06:11 2018 No.11997508 >>11997501 I don't believe in reincarnation. But that's some bad evidence. What's your evidence against solipsism?

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 27 21:06:22 2018 No.11997509 >>11984013 My life is fun, and I enjoy it. Everyone else with any answer ITT is just C O P I N G

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 27 21:12:53 2018 No.11997533 >>11997410 I could break your legs while wearing a fedora >>11997508 fuck off

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 27 21:15:03 2018 No.11997543 >>11984013 Because life is better than not, and if that's not the case for you you're a fucking retarded so yes kys

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 27 21:32:57 2018 No.11997590 File: 875 KB, 818x1100, 1538250566872.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>11997533 You have to give me evidence

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 27 21:38:15 2018 No.11997601 >>11997243 underrated

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 27 21:51:46 2018 No.11997651 >>11986128 No, just the drunk drivers when he splatted my mom LMAO

>>	Anonymous Sun Oct 28 02:01:51 2018 No.11998312 You are what you choose to be. If you aren't choosing, you simply are not.

>>	Anonymous Sun Oct 28 02:12:09 2018 No.11998341 >>11988297 how did you go from "you have a duty to live" to "shackled from birth to death".

>>	Anonymous Sun Oct 28 03:02:13 2018 No.11998475 >>11984031 >To commit suicide is to deprive yourself of an experience t. camus

>>	Anonymous Sun Oct 28 03:27:06 2018 No.11998524 >>11991411 u did not NOT asked to be raped so checkmate

>>	Anonymous Sun Oct 28 04:21:50 2018 No.11998598 >>11984013 because there's nothing after death

Anonymous Sun Oct 28 04:33:47 2018 No.11998613

>>11984013
There is very easy economical explanation to this.

Those people who do suicide have lower average lifetime income than those people who don't (in suicide you lose working years).

Any civilized nation uses wealth to control what is objectively absolutely true and what is false. Those with more wealth (those who don't suicide) will choose that suicide is wrong.

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Anonymous Sun Oct 28 06:40:09 2018 No.11998858

>>11984442
>the thought of doing the act that's most offensive to humanity

You mean like mass murder? A nuclear strike? Spreading a deadly virus? Suicide by itself is not harmful to the human race at all. Why? Because only the bad genes will do it anyway. Indeed it would be a good thing for the human race if all the trash humans were filtered out if they had the guts to go through with it.

>>	Anonymous Sun Oct 28 07:19:26 2018 No.11998956 With every breath you take you are slowly wearing out your internal organs. You are committing suicide in slow motion.

>>	Anonymous Sun Oct 28 07:31:50 2018 No.11998993 >>11984013 Because I enjoy life and don't want it to end. Not sure why this is an interesting question tbph. Anything else sounds like a symptom of brain problems.

Anonymous Sun Oct 28 07:37:58 2018 No.11999011

>>11984013
>Why not commit suicide?
>why not do thing
That would require effort wouldn't it?
Aren't you effectively giving yourself an arbitrary task?
Daily life is something we wander through, without worry.
I suppose if you DO decide to kill yourself it's because your mind is malfunctioning, and therefore it's self-corrective action taken by the universe against you, so whatever your decision is, it should be the correct one.

>>	Anonymous Sun Oct 28 07:41:07 2018 No.11999023 >>11998956 >redefining a word I believe what you are describing is organ failure, which is a separate cause of death.

>>	Anonymous Sun Oct 28 07:44:42 2018 No.11999032 >>11999023 You know what I mean, dumbass.

Anonymous Sun Oct 28 07:45:45 2018 No.11999035

is there any argument pro-living that is not grounded on the assumption that human life is important? Isn't it just human selfishness & exceptionalism that explains & supports all our values, beliefs, and morals?

I think the first step away from the ledge is to accept that humans are biased towards human desires, and that the only purpose in life is a human-created one, whether by the self or society. One must embrace the superficiality and artifice. Once you have stopped being convinced by the shadows and escaped, you must go back into the cave by choice and become a puppet master.

>>	Anonymous Sun Oct 28 07:47:22 2018 No.11999037 >>11988351 The government gave your parents a tax break for having you, so you are still indebted to the govt, if you don't pay it back then you are stealing.

>>	Anonymous Sun Oct 28 07:47:41 2018 No.11999038 >>11999032 More importantly I know what you intend, which is to pretend to have something to say.

>>	Anonymous Sun Oct 28 07:49:19 2018 No.11999042 >>11999011 > it's self-corrective action taken by the universe against you the universe doesn't give a shit one way or the other >>11999035 nice dude, that's pretty spot on

>>	Anonymous Sun Oct 28 07:50:39 2018 No.11999046 >>11999038 Say that to my fucking face not on the internet and see what happens.

Anonymous Sun Oct 28 07:54:42 2018 No.11999058

>>11999042
>the universe doesn't give a shit one way or the other

I am limited by English and a lack of vocabulary.
When I say the "the universe" I mean for it to include yourself, past, present, and future peoples in a very literal sense.

As I understand the world, large groups of moving objects and energy create intelligent systems, such as the neurons in our brains, the processors in our computers, or even the corporations that express self-preservation behaviors.

>>	Anonymous Sun Oct 28 07:56:53 2018 No.11999067 >>11999046 But you see I am a black man of stature, well over ten feet in height and girth. As well I have been trained in foreign lands in obscure and secret methods of killing with a single touch.

>>	Anonymous Sun Oct 28 08:28:00 2018 No.11999170 >>11991861 if god exists and all these people are still killing themselves I think that's a pretty clear cut sign that god has failed

Anonymous Sun Oct 28 08:40:57 2018 No.11999213

>>11999035
>is there any argument pro-living
Does anyone other than heavily depressed people need an argument for living?

I enjoy it. I don't need an argument, in the same way that I don't need an argument to eat chocolate.

Seriously, the idea of this as a philosophical problem seems bizarre to me. How is it not just a question of mental health?

>>	Anonymous Sun Oct 28 08:54:06 2018 No.11999244 >>11999213 well no shit. i was answering OP's question. if you enjoy life you have no reason to escape the puppet show. Good for you & your privilege. Some people get no chocolate to eat. Some people get poop instead of chocolate.

>>	Anonymous Sun Oct 28 09:01:06 2018 No.11999254 >>11999244 well off people in first world countries with higher education unironically believe that people have horrible lives in shitty conditions because they choose to, or if you are born stupid you deserve to suffer anyways

>>	Anonymous Sun Oct 28 10:35:17 2018 No.11999496 >>11995849 This as a metaphor.

>>	Anonymous Sun Oct 28 11:48:57 2018 No.11999760 >>11984022 s l a v e m y n d

>>	Anonymous Sun Oct 28 13:55:00 2018 No.12000224 >>11999760 Define slavery

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