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Is this book useful or bullshit?

>> No.12283916

It's highly anecdotal, but I can distill it into a few axioms for you:

— Don't talk about you, talk about them. Nobody wants to hear you talk about yourself, but everyone wants you to ask them about themselves.
— Give complements freely, but make sure that they are sincere. Don't force it or come up with something just because you feel you have to.

>> No.12284132

>>12283913

A top predator of the concrete jungle...in regard to poor anxious people, otherwise a serf. This is why true individualists, i.e. "psychopaths", hate yuppies.

>> No.12284160

>>12284132
Meaningless blather. Neither helps nor edifies anyone and legitimately better to not have been posted.

Merry Christmas.

>> No.12284231

>>12283913
it's shit

>> No.12284302

>>12283916

>never talk about you

Then what's the point, if your only purpose is to flatter the ego of other people.

>> No.12284306

>>12284302
because you will receive marginally more money in life if you act like a subversive kike with a plastered on smile

>> No.12284396

>>12283913
Useful for its time. Not so much today.

>> No.12284453

>>12283913
Like most book of its kind, the whole thing can be summarized in one or two pages.

>> No.12284627

>>12284306
Not at the price of my sanity. It's never worth it. I can try to adjust my dialogue but I have my limits.

>> No.12284631

>>12283916
>but everyone wants you to ask them about themselves.
OP, you are not the target audience. The above sentence makes it clear the author writes with balanced functional normalfags in mind

>> No.12284644

Pretty usedul. the points are somewhat simplistic, but that helps with remembering and utilization.

>> No.12284646

the entire book summed up: be a flatterer and a bootlicker

>> No.12284805

>>12283913
It teaches you how to be social, so it triggers this board

>> No.12284840

>>12284646
How does he fill The rest of the pages?

>> No.12284843

>>12283913
Think And Grow Rich is superior

>> No.12284847

>tfw my dad bought me this book cause he knows I have no frens
This was like two years ago, haven't even touched it since. Fuck you dad, I don't need friends and I don't need you. Stupid nigger.

>> No.12284865

>>12284847
Based anon

>> No.12284879

>>12284160
cuck

>> No.12284982

>>12283913
Well Charles Manson thought it was useful

>> No.12284999

>>12284840
He restates the same point and gives a bunch of anecdotes as examples.

>> No.12285010
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>>12284847

>> No.12285043

>>12285010
the father failed him, just like mine. Had the father not been a fucking loser, this anon would actually have frens. lack of wife, the anon doesn't even have his own cars, probably lives in a shitty house, or worse, an apartment. All the fault of the father and all things that more than likely impact the anons "success" in obtaining frens.

>> No.12285138

>>12284627
>>12284306
Idiots, only an irrational person wouldn't take the best case scenario.
Pride is a cardinal sin.

>> No.12285301

>>12283913
warren buffett likes dale carnegie so if that's sort of what you're going for

>> No.12285440

Like all the other Jewish self help books, it gives plenty of made up anecdotes but little substance. The whole book can be summarized in few points of advice that are common sense to everyone except socially inept recluses. It's an okay and informative read if you're on the spectrum, but vastly overrated.

>> No.12285452

OP here, if this book is not that useful could you recommend me a useful book?

>> No.12285458

>>12285452
the bible

>> No.12285478

>>12285452
A book isn't going to cure your autism.

>> No.12285481

Just be attentive but assertive, that's all there is to successful human interaction. There you go, now you shouldn't be an autist anymore.

>> No.12285608

>>12283913
It's "Look 'em straight in the eye and shake their hands, champ" tier.

>> No.12285615

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=toW6zkQHPGE

Phil Anselmo put it best, as usual.

>> No.12285621

>>12283916
I think one of Peterson's points is better framed in retaliation to this: people have interesting things to say and teach you LISTEN BUCKO.

>> No.12285644

>>12284302
Means of achieving the point. Unless your only point is to talk and flatter yourself and appear better than everyone else

>> No.12285650

people don't like individuals who are desperate for attention and an ego boost. If people don't like you, they will tell you.

>> No.12285657

>>12285043
Yep, you guys always think it's someone else's fault.

>> No.12285682

>>12283913
I honestly think the book is greatly wrote, although not in a literary sense. The book is basically a satire. Most of the sentences are in the form "People are so stupid thinking they are intelligent" seasoned with "But, hey, you are reading this so you are actually intelligent" Which is, of course, the application of the compliment-the-idiot argument which the book revolves around. At the end of the book, Carneige is just applying his own principles in the idiot, which is You, who just gave him money by giving the book. I genuinely think that if you can catch this meta-argument of the book you are of the few that can "get it", but I might just be another idiot as well.

>> No.12285685

>>12285682
*by buying the book

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>>12285682
fuck

>> No.12285710

>>12285657
fuck off stupid boomer who could support a wife and 11 kids on a single salary. What the fuck are you even doing here old man?

>> No.12285730

>>12285682
>"People are so stupid thinking they are intelligent" seasoned with "But, hey, you are reading this so you are actually intelligent"

I think you've never actually read this book. Nowhere in the pages is anything like this found, anywhere.

>> No.12286561

>>12283913
It's a guide on how to become a used car salesman.

>> No.12286609

>>12285481
Wow thanks I'm cured now

>> No.12286628

>>12284847
Based

>> No.12287213

>>12285010
Ouch, my feelings

>> No.12287272

>>12285010
this never fails to fuck me up

>> No.12287437
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12287437

It's useful but kind of outdated despite many claiming it's a "timeless classic".

The only self help book you actually need is The 48 Laws of Power and The Rational Male (Pic related)

>> No.12287447

>>12285010
Feels as fuck.

Although my parents never let me go out much less borrow the car. I was overprotected as shit.

>> No.12287454

>>12287437
What good will that book do for me?

>> No.12287473
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>>12287454
Not only how to pick up chicks, but how to keep them desiring you as well.

Excerpt from the book;
>Women would rather share a high value Man than be saddled by a faithful loser.

A high value Man can spin plates, and sometimes those plates suspect there are, or know there are other plates in his rotation. They’ll tolerate it so long as he remains high enough value (or effectively presents that perception) or hypergamy wil move them along to another high value Man. As I state in Plate Theory, some plates fall off to be replaced by new plates. You must be willing and confident enough to let some of them fall. This is a tough reality for recovering chumps new to Game to accept. Deprivation has conditioned them to hang onto a “sure thing” and this becomes all the more difficult when the plate they happen to drop was the first woman they’d ever successfully applied Game to, or was hotter than any girl they’d previously been with.

As I stated earlier, you don’t have to be sexual with every one of the plates you’re spinning (this used to be called “dating” in the days before serial monogamy became the fashion). It’s the potential in knowing that you could be, or that there are women who will value your attention that prompts a competitive anxiety in women – often when you don’t even know you’re doing it. If you are sexual with some of the plates you’re spinning, so much the better since you know that they’re proven commodities and if one isn’t performing as you’d like, you have the unconscious knowledge that others will, or you have the proven ability to generate more options for yourself.

>> No.12287492

all of these self-help books are useless if you literally don't have any friends.
No friends = no social contact = no friends, no gf, etc.
I went through half of it and it was very business oriented to me

>> No.12287500

>>12287492
Making friends is so fucking easy.

You have to be a real broken person to not be able to have friends.

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>>12287500

>> No.12287519

>>12287516
Let me ask you, what kind of music do you listen to anon?

>> No.12287526

>>12287519
I don't listen to music anymore.

>> No.12287868

Self-help books are almost all retarded because they tend to state the most obvious shit.

>> No.12287955

>>12283913
Should be titled 'how to trick people into thinking you're their friend and abusing this relationship'

It does give helpful pointers to this end though

>> No.12287963

>>12284999
I've heard that a lot of these type books aren't worth reading past the first chapter. Some statistic about top earning CEOs who claim to read x amount of books a year are in fact only reading the first chapter of self help pop psych books.

>> No.12287967

>>12285730
>>12285682
Thats hilarious and i agree about him writing the book like hes talking to you like he is telling to to talk to others. Also agree that he doesnt patronize about it.

>> No.12288390

No one likes people who only talk about themselves, but no one hates people who always ask about you. Obviously when talking to a friend it doesn't apply, but the point is when you're just meeting someone and trying to become friends with them, show more interest in talking about them than yourself. Be genuinely interested in other people, it's not rocket science. I think that's a good take away from it, I see a lot of people just talking about themselves in conversation and then the conversation dies.

>> No.12288414

>>12283913
Instead, read the Cynics, then the Stoics, then the Epicureans and finally the Cynics again.

>> No.12288564

This videos sums up a lot of the followers of the book
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1W34wyKZlWQ

>> No.12288761

>>12284847
My dad gave me the kama sutra and tells me to not get women pregnant because he knows I have sex.

>> No.12288763

both

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>>12285010

>> No.12289410

>>12285010
This is so reddit desu, a sheltered person's attempt to create a wacky le /r/4chan story, just like from a REAL broken home.

>> No.12289417

>>12285452
Culture of Critique