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[Anonymous No.12421154]

Is it a meme or does it possess scholastic rigor?

[Anonymous No.12421197]

Scholasticism is gay. Thomists like Feser are too autistic to understand that Scholasticism is what lead the West to atheisim in the first place. Even Nietzsche had an inkling of this.

[Anonymous No.12421318]

>>12421197
So if I was interested in the subject of proving God's existence, what are some non-meme books?

[Anonymous No.12421333]

>>12421154
it's unironically based and redpilled.

[Anonymous No.12421457]

>>12421154
Scholastic rigour. It's very good.

[Anonymous No.12421482]

I've only read Aristotle, but it was enough to convince me there is a Supreme Cause, regardless of which religion you adhere to

[Anonymous No.12421486]

>>12421318
Different poster, but, as far as I'm concerned, anyone who tries to prove the existence of God is no better than the Atheist who tries to disprove Him.

Believe, or don't believe -- then whisper the answer to your heart.

[Anonymous No.12421558]

>>12421318
Fear and Trembling

[Anonymous No.12422652]

>>12421558
Good rec.

[« Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ » No.12422797]

Where are the proofs though?

[Anonymous No.12422902]

>>12421486
>crypto-agnostic

[Anonymous No.12423680]

>>12421486
I will always prefer Scholastic autism to this crap

[Anonymous No.12424247]

autism you say?

[Anonymous No.12424271]

>>12421486
This is why people don't take protestants seriously

[Anonymous No.12424315]

>>12421154

Plotinus would be mortified to be associated with those autists.

[Anonymous No.12424750]

Alright, real talk here. The reason why God is so hard to prove is because the God that's being proven is the strange creature known as the Christian God.

I think most people are agreeable to the idea of some sort of "prime cause" or "uncreated principle", and in fact would probably intuitively accept if they sat down and thought about it, but that's not what's being argued in these sorts of books. These books start out with that, but then - coming from the Christian worldview - inevitably try to start proving all sorts of arcane dogma, like the "tripartate nature" of this first cause, or the absolute distinction between causer and cause, and so on.

If you want to prove God, look no further than the majesty of a sunset or the birds in their dance across the sky or the play of children running along the street. Just don't get caught up in the endless nitpicking of "theology", desu.

[Anonymous No.12424759]

>>12424750
cringe

[Anonymous No.12424772]

>>12421154
Or you could just actually read Aquinas

[Anonymous No.12424775]

>>12424750
He never read Aquinas

[Anonymous No.12425428]

>>12421154
Read Josh McDowell instead.

[Anonymous No.12425435]

Feser is the real deal.

[Anonymous No.12425437]

>>12422797
Did you read the book? Or its sources? Read them.

[Anonymous No.12425462]

>>12424750
>t. "just believe lol, don't worry about why you believe or the theological consequences of interpreting scripture by those beliefs."

You have literally zero brain cells.

[Anonymous No.12425466]

>>12421486
Providing God is nonsense yea. But crypo atheist need some "proof" to believe

[Anonymous No.12425467]

"Let's just steal pagan arguments" Christian theology is embarrassing.

[Anonymous No.12425493]

>>12425467
>steal
They've been Christian arguments since late antiquity. You would know this if you had ever read a book.

[Anonymous No.12425519]

>>12424750
>If you want to prove God, look no further than the majesty of a sunset or the birds in their dance across the sky or the play of children running along the street. Just don't get caught up in the endless nitpicking of "theology", desu.
Literally boomer tier

If your belief in God is inconsequential, which if you dismiss theology it is, then why even believe in the first place? It's not gonna make sunsets any nicer to belief in "God" if that's a completely empty word with no weight for you. Theology is about puzzling out how the existence of God should affect the way we think and act. Without theology, we can't prepare any genuine response to the fact of God's existence

[Anonymous No.12425528]

>>12425493
>we stole them a long time ago
This is even more embarrassing, well done christfag. Too bad you can't baptise the greeks post-mortem.

[Anonymous No.12425543]

>>12425528
stole is assuming. they were given, mostly by hellenic jewish philosophy like philo. christianity is a natural progression of the philosophy of the day.

[Anonymous No.12425568]

>>12424271
god is a lutheran prove me wrong

[Anonymous No.12426406]

No mention of
>Al-Kindi
>Al-Ghazali
>St. Bonaventure.

[Anonymous No.12426418]

>>12421197
no one is trying to prove God through science retard, unless pic was unrelated

[Anonymous No.12426486]

>>12424750
All the people replying to you insult God when they assert that he does not communicate with every act, animal, acorn, atom. They are idolators that conceive of their "God" as a divine punisher - and it could not be any clearer exactly where this conception finds its grounds, in fear and and shame. There whole life they feel they have been wronged and blasphemously construct a human god so that they can sleep at night.

[Anonymous No.12426551]

>>12424750
Not all of the people in that book try to prove the Christian God, Plotinus for example, nevermind that Aquinas only really argued for the uncreated creator and never tried to prove the trinity through logic, it's people misrepresenting him that creates this misconception.

[« Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ » No.12427656]

>>12425437
So... you worship energy/astrophysical dynamics

Waiting on the proofs though

[Anonymous No.12428716]

>>12424750
This

[Anonymous No.12429092]

Wasn't Theilard de Chardin proving some connection of science with theology?

[« Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ » No.12429117]

>>12421154
>scholastic rigor

You can prove anything with enough mental gymnastics, that doesn't mean they are right.

[Anonymous No.12429166]

>>12429092
Mostly vague poetic mumbo-jumbo

[Anonymous No.12429194]

>>12421318
Summa Theologica Book 1 (though they’re “ways” technically speaking, not proofs)
Summa Contra Gentiles Book 1