How can humans even begin to comprehend "God?"

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Anonymous Thu Jan 31 22:21:38 2019 No.12514113 [Reply] [Original]

How can humans even begin to comprehend "God?"

>>	Anonymous Thu Jan 31 22:25:45 2019 No.12514129 >>12514113 great quote. books that have this theme?

>>	Anonymous Thu Jan 31 22:26:23 2019 No.12514131 >>12514113 We are thinking things so this universe is comprised of data. That mechanism by which we learn to us is god. Where it will lead us is set to the will of god.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jan 31 22:26:52 2019 No.12514137 >>12514113 I don't know, but you're a worthless piece of shit. God can't save you from your mediocre existence.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jan 31 22:29:41 2019 No.12514152 >>12514131 >so this universe is comprised of data how do you define data?

Anonymous Thu Jan 31 22:31:37 2019 No.12514156

>>12514131
>We are thinking things so this universe is comprised of data
no evidence of the antecedent, nor does the consequent follow.
>That mechanism by which we learn to us is god.
That also isn't obvious, and we shouldn't accept this to be true.

the conclusion might follow but these are retarded premises. Incoherent and nigger tier logic. Try again.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jan 31 22:31:43 2019 No.12514157 >>12514113 God is the negation of humanity?

>>	Anonymous Thu Jan 31 22:34:44 2019 No.12514168 >>12514156 >no evidence of the antecedent I thought Descartes failed from his transition to the third book of his meditations not in the second books claim

Anonymous Thu Jan 31 22:40:12 2019 No.12514198

>>12514113
Proves that by Augustine the faith had already become corrupted. Christ Himself says:
>And this is life eternal: that they might know thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom thou hast sent.
Christ defines eternal life as knowing God; yet Augustine and creedal Christianity define as God as an unknowable Trinity, a paradoxical union of three-in-one and one-in-three whose nature is eternally beyond human conception and without analogy in human thought. To so understand God is to deny all hope of the life eternal, as it is to admit that man may not know God.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jan 31 22:41:14 2019 No.12514203 >>12514131 hegel'd and kantpilled

Anonymous Thu Jan 31 22:41:17 2019 No.12514204

The constant one-upmanship of religion is a show. it is designed to keep God being as "unknowable" and "beyond your understanding" as possible, as to keep from answering the tough questions that prove God does not exist. He's called "the god of the gaps" for a reason.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jan 31 22:41:27 2019 No.12514205 >>12514113 >even begin DMT is fun

>>	Anonymous Thu Jan 31 22:42:18 2019 No.12514212 File: 365 KB, 863x1080, lainsad.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>12514137 why are you being so mean anon :(

Anonymous Thu Jan 31 22:45:24 2019 No.12514227
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>>12514113
musing about the nature of such a being is entirely unproductive, believe me because it's been my central obsession for quite some time. this is a time of great opportunity/innovation/creativity; friendships/love. give the world the god in you that the high one gifted...the rest will take care of itself. patience

>>	Anonymous Fri Feb 1 02:31:36 2019 No.12515286 dude obscurantism

>>	Anonymous Fri Feb 1 03:05:02 2019 No.12515387 File: 84 KB, 1000x1500, Perl.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] By Christian Neoplatonism.

>>	Anonymous Fri Feb 1 03:06:03 2019 No.12515393 >>12514204 Not really. God is simple.

>>	Anonymous Fri Feb 1 03:08:06 2019 No.12515402 >>12514113 So if you have not understood God, how can you be sure that someone else's understanding of God is false? Further, how can you be sure He is not understandable? Maybe it's just your idiocy. Check&mate.

Anonymous Fri Feb 1 03:22:00 2019 No.12515448

>>12514113
Jude 1:24-25 KJV
24] Now unto him that is able to keep you from falling, and to present you faultless before the presence of his glory with exceeding joy,
25] To the only wise God our Saviour, be glory and majesty, dominion and power, both now and ever. Amen.

1 Timothy 2:5-6 KJV
5] For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus;
6] Who gave himself a ransom for all, to be testified in due time.

Romans 10:9-13 KJV
9] That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved.
10] For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation.
11] For the scripture saith, Whosoever believeth on him shall not be ashamed.
12] For there is no difference between the Jew and the Greek: for the same Lord over all is rich unto all that call upon him.
13] For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved.

>>	Anonymous Fri Feb 1 03:22:12 2019 No.12515449 >>12514156 What, we are not thinking things? >doubt (get it)

>>	Anonymous Fri Feb 1 04:05:24 2019 No.12515552 >>12514113 So why believe in god

>>	Anonymous Fri Feb 1 04:06:23 2019 No.12515555 If God is incomprehensible, why worship him?

>>	Anonymous Fri Feb 1 04:07:01 2019 No.12515559 >>12514137 Except he literally can not

>>	Anonymous Fri Feb 1 04:11:25 2019 No.12515569 As easily as I can comprehend any other fictional entity.

>>	Anonymous Fri Feb 1 04:14:31 2019 No.12515578 >say god can do everything you can imagine >say you can't imagine what god can do >abrhmoids actually are so stupid they think this works here's the thing, even if you can't imagine i can. i can imagine and know it's not there.

>>	Anonymous Fri Feb 1 05:33:55 2019 No.12515756 >>12514113 >dude you just got to believe LMAO

Anonymous Fri Feb 1 06:15:48 2019 No.12515928

>>12514113

On this account, therefore, I have not hesitated nor have I been ashamed to call you my brethren and my companions, because ye will be fellow-kings with me in my kingdom. This, therefore, I say unto you, knowing that I will give you the mystery of the Ineffable; that is: That mystery is I, and I am that mystery.

Anonymous Fri Feb 1 06:16:34 2019 No.12515931

>>12515569
You are hypocritical, greedy, violent, malevolent, vengeful, cowardly, deadly, mendacious, meretricious, loathsome, despicable, belligerent, opportunistic, barratrous, contemptible, criminal, fascistic, bigoted, racist, sexist, avaricious, tasteless, idiotic, brain-damaged, imbecilic, insane, arrogant, deceitful, demented, lame, self-righteous, byzantine, conspiratorial, satanic, fraudulent, libelous, bilious, splenetic, spastic, ignorant, clueless, illegitimate, harmful, destructive, dumb, evasive, double-talking, devious, revisionist, narrow, manipulative, paternalistic, fundamentalist, dogmatic, idolatrous, unethical, cultic, diseased, suppressive, controlling, restrictive, malignant, deceptive, dim, crazy, weird, dystopic, stifling, uncaring, plantigrade, grim, unsympathetic, jargon-spouting, censorious, secretive, aggressive, mind-numbing, arassive, poisonous, flagrant, self-destructive, abusive, socially-retarded, puerile, clueless, and generally NOT GOOD.

>>	Anonymous Fri Feb 1 06:21:46 2019 No.12515943 >>12515931 TLDR

>>	Anonymous Fri Feb 1 06:28:00 2019 No.12515966 >>12515555 Anything, any object you think you perceived is ultimately incomprehensible according to Kant's epistemology, so why do anything? why do science? why you live?

>>	Anonymous Fri Feb 1 07:43:25 2019 No.12516223 >>12514113 god is a question mark

Bigschaft von Throbbincock Fri Feb 1 09:07:47 2019 No.12516575

I can comprehend God pretty easily, since I've seen Him and all. I guess it was back in the summer of '06 that I met him for the first time. I was waiting in line at the grocery store when, wouldn't you know it, the Lord Almighty, walks in. He's really let Himself go these past few years, what with the recession going on, and I wasn't too impressed. He made a mad dash for the produce section. I didn't want to follow Him around - that'd just be clingy - but I nevertheless wanted His autograph. I waited in line a few more minutes until He came by pushing a cart with twenty heads of cabbage. "It's for the Sunday potluck - I'm making coleslaw this time," Jehovah said laughingly. In awe, I could only manage to stammer a meek "sounds great, chief," to which the Creator of Heaven and the Earth replied "Say, you wouldn't happen to have a couple of dollars lying around would you? I left my wallet in the car, and I can't afford to waste any time going out to get it." I spotted him a ten and with that he started melting through the ceiling tiles.

>>	Anonymous Fri Feb 1 09:16:54 2019 No.12516630 God is.

>>	Anonymous Fri Feb 1 10:40:47 2019 No.12516960 God isn't part of anything we experience so any statements you make about it will be baseless assumptions

>>	Anonymous Fri Feb 1 10:54:33 2019 No.12517015 >>12514131 Our mind (not experience) is data. This gives me hope for AI research.

>>	Anonymous Fri Feb 1 10:57:28 2019 No.12517031 >>12514113 >How can humans even begin to comprehend a God that is not themselves? ftfy

Anonymous Fri Feb 1 11:09:38 2019 No.12517098
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>>12514113
>take a social ape
>give the ape self-awareness, symbolic processing and abstract reasoning abilities
>the ape will now observe its own social instincts and apply symbolic meaning to them
>the ape will use abstract reasoning to process its own instincts
>at some point the ape will extrapolate the instinct/concept of the "alpha male" and create a symbol which represents the ultimate alpha male individual
>the ape now believes in god

>>	Anonymous Fri Feb 1 11:36:45 2019 No.12517249 >>12514113 The same way they begin to comprehend everything else.

>>	Anonymous Fri Feb 1 11:46:34 2019 No.12517327 >>12514129 Divine Comedy. There is a essay of Borges on the divine comedy and this topic too.

Anonymous Fri Feb 1 12:04:13 2019 No.12517420

I once had a dream where I got a beginning of a vision, and I dreamt that it was from God. This got me really scared, and I wanted to escape and wake up, and decided to blaspheme or something to make go away. I didn't actually say anything but jumbled words, as it was a dream, and woke up. In my defense I was young and stupid, also not actively interested in religion. Perhaps it was just a dream.

But I think it would also be rather stupid to not be scared. Imagine standing in front of an all powerful being, that is capable of doing anything to you, grind your atoms to dust or something beyond your comprehension. It's not a being, it's THE BEING, the entirety of existence hinges on It, all the billions of men or aliens in billion universes, and this is the pinnacle of all that and anything else you can possibly imagine, and you're in the eye of this storm. Any moment near it is by definition THE MOMENT, the most important event taking place anywhere, and definitely in your life. How can you man up to that? How can you not tremble? How can you actually believe that in prayer you talk to God and not feel all of this?

>>	Anonymous Fri Feb 1 12:09:01 2019 No.12517445 Why do Christians always have to engage in these weird mental gymnastics. Why can't god just be a really powerful dude.

>>	Anonymous Fri Feb 1 12:11:42 2019 No.12517463 File: 74 KB, 1200x800, 1541550108488.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>12517445 this

>>	Anonymous Fri Feb 1 13:17:01 2019 No.12517800 >>12517445 >you are not supposed to understand, goyim.

>>	Anonymous Fri Feb 1 13:21:34 2019 No.12517824 >>12517445 >just turn off your brain bro

>>	Anonymous Fri Feb 1 14:10:54 2019 No.12518098 >>12517445 >>12517824 >>12517800 Because God is the source of being, not some great apes that learned how to make clothes.

>>	Anonymous Fri Feb 1 14:17:55 2019 No.12518158 >>12518098 Why can't the source of being be a really powerful man?

>>	Anonymous Fri Feb 1 14:43:34 2019 No.12518320 File: 63 KB, 388x525, goddamn_i_love_being_white.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>12518158 >>12517445 Based and Mormonpilled

>>	Anonymous Fri Feb 1 16:39:24 2019 No.12518955 >>12514203 oh that's why it was garbage

>>	Anonymous Fri Feb 1 17:54:05 2019 No.12519372 >>12517420 Good post

>>	Anonymous Fri Feb 1 18:06:38 2019 No.12519451 >>12517445 Go read the mystics

>>	Anonymous Fri Feb 1 18:22:56 2019 No.12519546 >>12514113 doesnt that sound a bit like bullshit?

>>	Anonymous Fri Feb 1 19:23:16 2019 No.12519847 >>12514113 By learning it's language aka: mathematics.

>>	Anonymous Fri Feb 1 19:30:09 2019 No.12519870 >>12515555 checked

Anonymous Fri Feb 1 20:27:39 2019 No.12520090

I don't know but I can give you a feeling. Get up somewhere high, maybe like a mountain, and look up at the blue sky spreading around you in all directions. See the clouds miles above. Now look towards the sun, travel the emptiness that separates you by 8 light minutes, Earth shrinking behind you to a dot. See the sun slowly grow and grow, eventually taking up your whole field of vision. Now go past it, to Proxima Centauri, leave the solar system and travel those long years in the black vacuum. Lets go faster now, and fly past all those millions of stars, thick like soup, yet so far apart. After a while we will reach the edge of our galaxy, and witness the emptiness that is even bigger than anything we have experienced before. Let all galaxies shrink to just dots, and then let's speed up, and let them fly past us just like the stars before. This is as far as I will take you, but with luck you've felt the path and can continue on your own.

Anonymous Fri Feb 1 20:30:51 2019 No.12520103

>>12514113
>"god exists"
>okay. can you prove it
>"uh actually you can't know nuthin about him and if you think you do that's not him"
>then how do you know enough about him to say that you can't know anything about him
>*autistic theist noised*
all so tiresome. I wish this cult had never left ancient Palestine.

Anonymous Fri Feb 1 20:38:50 2019 No.12520142

>>12519546
God, the creator of the universe, who is beyond and outside of all space and time (for space and time are of creation), who has no weight, no volume, no location, who cannot be seen (like the aspects of creation) in any way, is unfathomable to man.

Man is a creature, wholly contingent on the circumstances leading to his or her birth, completely reliant upon a chain of causation from which they might gather food, entirely oblivious to what existence meant prior to birth, and yet not even remembering birth.

God on the other hand sees everything in its fullness. For man to apprehend God, he would have to know what it is to see and know and exist as God, which for him remains totally impossible.

Anonymous Fri Feb 1 20:52:30 2019 No.12520210

>>12520103
God exists. Some say you can prove this. I think there are many good logical or metaphysical reasons to think so. The intellect is part of how humans sense the existence of God. We also sense it with the body and (I think) most of all with the soul.

In any case God is not subject to the opinions or arguments of men.

I dont mind arguing your point anyhow.

1. What a man thinks of as God may be more or less like what God is.
2. Therefore man can know more or less about God.
4. It is possible when a man makes a claim about God, that his claim is indeed describing something about God which is true.
5. However, it is not a complete explanation or description of what God is.
6. It is not at all contradictory therefore, to claim that no description of God is complete. To say "no description of God is complete" is not the same thing as saying "God is precisely that for which no description is complete."

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 2 00:42:03 2019 No.12521129 >>12520210 >"God is precisely that for which no description is complete." Nothing can be described completely. Therefore, God is nothing.

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 2 00:53:27 2019 No.12521160 >>12521129 Alternatively, everything cannot be described completely Therefore God is everything

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 2 00:58:44 2019 No.12521182 >>12521160 So we are both right then. God is both nothing and everything. Is that a complete description?

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 2 00:59:45 2019 No.12521187 not literature

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 2 01:18:09 2019 No.12521248 >>12514113 That quote itself is a paradox. He himself is trying to define god.

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 2 05:07:33 2019 No.12521791 >>12514198 Because knowing God is the ultimate and final reward not achievable on this plain of existence. It's only given to the worthy.

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 2 05:11:31 2019 No.12521800 >>12514129 Valis

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 2 06:34:20 2019 No.12521986 yo bro there is this guy who literally created the universe and shit, like all the galaxies and physics and quantum mechanics and all these complexities but he cant show himself materially because ... . just believe it bro you wont understand him

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 2 07:19:22 2019 No.12522113 >>12521187 Fuck off.

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