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Lets have a conversation.

>> No.12607863

I have to take a shit and pee but I am holding it for a while

>> No.12607868

>>12607863
Very unhealthy.

>> No.12607879

>>12607809
Kid's literature.

>> No.12607885

>>12607809
I'm asexual.

>> No.12607892

>>12607809
About the constellations
About sound and light and matter and vibrations
The mathematics needed just for your genetic sequence
While humans are distracted studyin' devils and demons

>> No.12607913

>>12607879
have you read anything that she created ?

>> No.12607920

>>12607913
I'm not that guy but I read Atlas Shrugged and Anthem. They both fucking suck, her philosophy is a joke, and she was a miserable shit. The end.

>> No.12607921
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12607921

>>12607863
just open the door my brother.

>> No.12607924

Did you guys hear that some dumb american anarchist named "John Galton" got shot to death in Mehico? what a faggot, with a moniker like that he definitely had it coming

>> No.12607926

>>12607913
No actually

>> No.12607927

>>12607809
Sucks ass

>> No.12607929

>>12607920
Then tell me whats wrong with her philosophy.

>> No.12607934

I'm a kantian marxist, AMA

>> No.12607936

>>12607926
You have any adult recommendations ?

>> No.12607945

>>12607934
What is the end game in Marxism ?
How should be decided who the central planer is and how long he is in charge of the state ?
Also how is the X Year Plan created ?
Why did Socialism allways fail ?

>> No.12607951

>>12607936
Voegelin

>> No.12607958

>>12607945
>What is the end game in Marxism ?
Gay luxury space communism-
>How should be decided who the central planer is and how long he is in charge of the state ?
The singularity
>Also how is the X Year Plan created ?
By the singularity, notice that Stalin made a huge leap foward that the rest of the world took longer time to accomplish.
>Why did Socialism allways fail ?
Have you tried cooking food and rushing it? The same thing, you shouldn't be to quick.

>> No.12607959

>>12607929
>>12607929
laissez faire cannot work for the same reason anarchy cannot work. the strong (rich) will create their own police state to protect their own interests and dominate the weak. or else the weak will revolt. I was always baffled by how Taggart and her gang would enforce property rights, whichiirc Rand consistently called the most moral / important rights. How do you enforce right without law? How do you have law without government? You definitely can't have government without taxes. Seems to me, Rand's solution was to have a privatized security force. In the book, this is replaced by a magical force field that works by static electricity. Rand uses a skyhook because she knows her ideas have no basis in reality.

>> No.12607974

>>12607951
You got some more ?

>> No.12607979

>>12607959
It has worked countless times. You want me to make a list with some links ?
FreeTradingZones.

>> No.12607994

>>12607979
by all means show me a government that exists without taxes

>> No.12608001

>>12607959
also laissez faire doesnt mean that there is no state or that you dont have taxes. It just states that the goverment wont regulate. You need the Goverment to lay the groundwork for trade and stuff like this.

As Milton Friedman said: "The classic liberal is allways cautious with giving the goverment more power".

You are right anarchy wont work, its just a theoretical model, like communism.

>> No.12608012

>>12607929
Her philosophy was absolute dogshit. "Like, yeah, everyone should just serve themselves as much as possible and the ego is the greatest thing ever and collective ideals are all stupid and individualism is what it's all about, I tell you what, fuck everyone else its all about making your SELF happy and wealthy"

Basically antithetical to the actual values that lead to a happy and peaceful life. Also basically the mentality of any given 5 year old. Have fun with that. Ayn Rand certainly didnt have much fun with it, but that didnt stop her from shoving it down her cult followers' throats.

>> No.12608015

>>12607959
Ayn Rand was a minarchist my famalam

>> No.12608027

>>12607994
Laissez faire doesnt mean no Taxes.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Laissez-faire

Bahamas and the Caymons are a good example.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_tax_rates

China heavily depends on FreeTradeZones where no taxes are applied, no import taxes and mouch for stuff that is good for business.

>> No.12608063

>>12608012
>Basically antithetical to the actual values that lead to a happy and peaceful life
There is not just one road that leads to a happy life.

If everyone takes care for themselfs than everybody is take care of.
Her philosophy is based on rational thinking. Mans means to his ends is his reason.


>Also basically the mentality of any given 5 year old
Just a random thought: Arent a lot of 5 year olds way more content with their life than a lot of adults ?

>> No.12608073

>>12608001
>>12608027
Laissez faire doesn't mean no taxes, you are correct. But Ayn Rand believed forced taxation was immoral, and believed taxes should be paid "at will." it's clear she wanted government to serve the rich

>> No.12608076

>>12607929
>philosophy
>implying
Philosophy is a rather grand word for bad sci-fi. Is L Ron Hubbard a philosopher?

>> No.12608077

>>12608073
She wanted a goverment that served the people.

>> No.12608082

It's one of the shittiest books of all time. It's also /pol/'s #1 b8 for their invasion of /lit/

>> No.12608087

>>12608076
Would you consider dostojewski as a philosopher ?

>> No.12608089

>>12608077
laughable claim. the entire nation, which was made up of "looters" and "moochers," perished in her "magnum opus." this is because Rand hates poor people

>> No.12608096

>>12608082
Nah I dont have mouch in commen with the /pol/ people. I dont think the white race is the best one, I dont think we should form an etho state and other /pol/ bullshit.

>> No.12608103

>>12608089
She hates people that want to take what they didnt earned.

>> No.12608117

>>12607809
Rand saw everything in either-or terms. How can you have a conversation about her work? You're either for it or you're against it.

>> No.12608120

>>12608063
>Arent a lot of 5 year olds way more content with their life than a lot of adult
It's because they don't have responsibilities and are dependent on adults.

>> No.12608123

Okay maybe I am wrong, but I think her way of reasoning is pretty sound so give me a chance to explain it to you.
I think you are never to old to learn something new, so maybe you change my mind, I change yours or we both walk of with the same opinion.
Please list the points you dont agree with or that you think that are bullshit. I will give my best to answer.

>> No.12608128

>>12608103
I'm willing to bet that when the nation collapsed, millions of blue collar americans went hungry too, millions more than simple welfare babies. stop posting at any time, you apologist scum

>> No.12608130

>>12608120
I dont know what you did when you were 5 but I myself had some responsibilities.

>> No.12608133

>>12608123
you sound like a faggot and I refuse to engage with your "ideas"

>> No.12608134

>>12608117
you sound like a communist

>> No.12608141

>>12608063
Think harder friend.

>> No.12608142

>>12608128
They supported a goverment that stole from people and that made them also responsible. They also were willing to blindy attack the "rich", the " one percent ", because they were the evil, because they didint sacrificed them for the state.

>> No.12608145

>>12608130
Don't compare earning money and keeping house with children "responsibilities".

>> No.12608154

>>12608117
You can only be right or wrong when you talking about facts, but how the fuck do you think you can only hate or love her ?????

>> No.12608160

>>12608145
Isnt the same, you are right.

>> No.12608168

>>12608133
Dont go. Please for your own sake, try to engage with ideas you dont like or dont understand. It will increase the range of ideas you know and will improve our life.

>> No.12608192

>>12608145
Can you maybe provide a list with thinks to read ?
Ich habe nämlich schon ein paar Sachen zur Politischen Theologie gelesen.

>> No.12608198

>>12608142
>this is what capitalists believe

>> No.12608223

>>12608198
Capitalists dont belive sacrifice.

>> No.12608712

>>12608063

5 year olds have all their shit paid for by someone else. hmmmmmmmm

>> No.12608821

>>12608012
>antiethical
haha oh wow

>> No.12608831

>>12607809
Never read it, but it seems to piss off communists and redditors. What's it about?

>> No.12608972

Which is better? Atlas or Fountain?

>> No.12609003

>>12607979
Free Trading Zones that are protected and financed by a government that obtains taxes from non-free trading zones, in the hopes of boosting the larger economy of the country.

lolbertarian ideas will never work.

>> No.12609051

>>12609003
The black market is about as libertarian as you can get. What is your definition of "works?"

>> No.12609060

>>12608972
>Which is better? Atlas or Fountain?
Fountainhead is the better book. Less preachy, more based in character driven storytelling and plot.

>> No.12609654

>>12609051
Not him but the very existence of a black market is dependent on the regulated market, the prices and modalities are defined by what is legal and what isn't, there is much less competition because of the scarcity of the products or services. The client is captive and the seller makes the rules, the exact opposite of the libertarian ideal. Selling coke kids or killings would barely be profitable if it wasn't illegal

>> No.12609679

No, because you are a statist, non-productive consumer drone. I'm going to hang out with misanthropic egotists who none the less build cool shit and play with trains. Ayn is cool.

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>>12607959
retard

>> No.12610236

>>12607809
I want a gun

>> No.12611376

Textbook penis envy. Wrote idealized caricatures. Patron saint of dorks who are deluded into thinking they are inherently great.

>> No.12611586

1000-page fanfiction by an ugly girl. Taggart slept with three different chads while ignoring her beta orbiter.

>> No.12611597

>>12609679
There is no "t" in "egoist" you goddamn moron

>> No.12611598

>>12608103
If you take something, how isn't that earning it?
Why is it only "earning" when the rich take labor and resources from the poor, but when the poor do so from the rich it's "theft?"