/lit/ - Literature

[Anonymous No.12630036]

Which books explain that Anxiety isn't a real mental illness and is made up by angsty teenagers, women and failed men who use it to justify their timid behavior?

[Anonymous No.12630054]

>mfw another re-run episode of my girl co workers talking about their depression and anxiety

[Anonymous No.12630055]

MY

[Anonymous No.12630058]

Anxiety is very real you fucking retard. I and many other have and to suffer from it.

[Anonymous No.12630061]

>>12630058
Indeed, it is quite real. It's an acute form of narcissism.

[Anonymous No.12630064]

>>12630058
"anxiety" is another word for social cowardice

[Anonymous No.12630077]

>>12630054
This may as well be a portrait of me, it's uncanny.

[Anonymous No.12630084]

Is there anything more catty and feminine than picking on the vulnerable...

[Anonymous No.12630085]

>>12630058
Anxiety comes from narcissism and individualism. Panic disorders however come from traumatic experiences or some weird amygdala flaw.
t. neurologist

[Anonymous No.12630087]

>>12630036
>millionaire youtuber
>achieved

[Anonymous No.12630088]

All of reality is anxiety. What do you think matter is?

[Anonymous No.12630094]

>>12630085
and where does narcissism and individualism come from?

[Anonymous No.12630104]

ANXIETY DON'T REAL
DEPRESSION DON'T REAL
get over it libtards, facts don't care about your feelings. just man up, pull yourselves up by your bootstraps and BE YOURSELVES. mental illness isn't even real, besides schizophrenia and whatever's wrong with trannies. face it, you're just beta.

[Anonymous No.12630108]

>>12630094
Being enslaved to your passions; i.e. being a godless degenerate.

[Anonymous No.12630112]

As long as you haven't killed yourself, you didn't experience true anxiety.

[Anonymous No.12630118]

>>12630108
hmm that doesn't sound very scientific, mr """neurologist"""

[Anonymous No.12630125]

>>12630094
Living in a simulacrum of capitalism and hyper real culture but being unaware of it, having had their self corrupted. In rare cases gene abnormalities.

[Anonymous No.12630129]

>>12630094
I'm sure it's something that's completely out of your control, so that you can continue blaming something external and avoid fixing your own problems.

[Anonymous No.12630145]

>>12630058
Oh, look, it's why /lit/ is still a shit board.

[Anonymous No.12630214]

>>12630088
woah bro.... you just blew my fuckign mind.... were all just atoms and shit....

[Anonymous No.12630221]

>>12630036
How do you define anxiety? If you were assraped by a bunch of savages and as a result you're fucked in the head and can't walk the streets without experiencing constant panic, this is very real.

If you're a blogger dealing with Weltschmerz, then you're right.

[Anonymous No.12630231]

If somebody is timid and angsty to the point where it negatively impacts their life, it's literally called anxiety. The experience of overwhelming negative emotion is something that can be overcome with an assistance of a professional, the distinction of it being an illness or not is meaningless. Why do it alone? You are not your own master, you can't just tell yourself to change, it will work out the same as NYE resolutions, sorry.

If you pretend like it's not an issue, it will only exacerbate the problem for you. Using something as an excuse is detrimental, but ignoring something can be even more deadly. You are not as strong as perfect as you think you are, and you will never be until the moment you are brave enough to acknowledge your weaknesses as real disease.

[Anonymous No.12630240]

>>12630129
where does chronic reddit sarcasm come from? is it pathological too?

[Anonymous No.12630246]

So why would overly timid behaviour not be a mental illness?

[Anonymous No.12630249]

>>12630231
This is the mentality of herbivorous herd creatures who cannot even begin to think of themselves as autonomous entities. Doesn't it make you feel sick to think of yourself this way?

[Anonymous No.12630263]

>>12630231
good post

[Anonymous No.12630326]

>>12630036
The fact that true competent men dispute your delusions is unsettling isn't it? How much of your life will you have to re-examine? No, you must fight it. You must find an alpha male to speak for you, because you're exactly what you purport to oppose.

[Anonymous No.12630339]

>>12630061
>>12630085
>>12630094
notice to these guys : in psychiatric term the very word Narcissism is not a disease, not a syndrom, not anything; it is independent to good and evil distinction

[Anonymous No.12630341]

>>12630249
>Doesn't it make you feel sick to think of yourself this way?
In what way? The way that I fight against hubris, make my own fate by acknowledging my flaws?

I know it is hard, and it might make you fell sick to come to terms with the fact that you are not perfect, not entirely autonomous but controlled by invisible to you forces, not an ubermensch - but a naked little neurotic man trying to get (You)s on 4chan.
There are potentially deadly qualities in all humans, if only neglected and allowed to spread, and they are sneaky too. If you're not paying attention, too prideful to think that you can become like this anxious "herbivorous herd creature", you're fucked. You are not immune to the psychological pitfalls and weaknesses that you so despise in others, we're not just born one way doomed to either be strong or weak forever.

[Anonymous No.12630343]

>>12630339
Were talking narcissism a'la Gaddis, not psych wards

[Anonymous No.12630347]

>>12630077
That's Jack Kerouac if I'm not mistaken

[Anonymous No.12630352]

>>12630343
But you talk about mental issues

[Anonymous No.12630355]

>>12630341
Based

[Anonymous No.12630358]

>>12630352
The state does not have a monopoly on normative judgements on mental states

[Anonymous No.12630360]

>>12630339
Narcissism is evil.

[Anonymous No.12630363]

>>12630339

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Narcissistic_personality_disorder

[Anonymous No.12630369]

>>12630341
If you are not your own master, then who is?

[Anonymous No.12630372]

>>12630363
>abnormal behavior characterized by exaggerated feelings of self-importance, excessive need for admiration, and a lack of empathy. Those affected often spend much time thinking about achieving power or success, or on their appearance.They often take advantage of the people around them.
So normal human being is abnormal somehow

[Anonymous No.12630375]

ITT: Narcissists call out narcissists on their narcissism

[Anonymous No.12630378]

I wonder how many people in this thread actually work and have families.

[Anonymous No.12630381]

>>12630369
its not my job to educate you sweatie

[Anonymous No.12630382]

>>12630077
8/10, but I wouldn't trust you in a relationship.

[Anonymous No.12630383]

>>12630108
kys knuckledragger and fuck your god and everything you hold dear.

[Anonymous No.12630388]

>>12630036
anxiety isn't a mental illness, it's a universally experienced psychological phenomena. everybody experiences anxiety.

[Anonymous No.12630390]

>>12630108
individualism is the only way to subordinate the passions to your will.

[Anonymous No.12630402]

>self diagnosing retards have memed the words "anxiety" and "depression" so much that people actually think they don't exist
Yikes and cringepilled. Dumb phrases like "I have OCD" or "my OCD is acting up" is also frequently and frivolously by people who don't even have the disorder. Does that mean it's not real? No.

[Anonymous No.12630409]

>>12630249
>This is the mentality of herbivorous herd creatures who cannot even begin to think of themselves as autonomous entities.
Your opinions are irrelevant and your solutions are platitudes peddled to improve your self-concept, not to assist others.

[Anonymous No.12630411]

>self diagnosing retards have memed the words "anxiety" and "depression" so much that people actually think they don't exist
Yikes and cringepilled. Dumb phrases like "I have OCD" or "my OCD is acting up" are also frequently and frivolously by people who don't even have the disorder. Does that mean it's not real? No.

[Anonymous No.12630412]

>>12630378
Zero (0), except for me and you.

[Anonymous No.12630413]

>>12630036
Have you ever had a mental breakdown OP?

[Anonymous No.12630414]

>>12630411
>everyone else is a self diagnosing retard but you should take my claims seriously

[Anonymous No.12630415]

>>12630413
I saw my boss have a mental breakdown once.

I felt zero sympathy for her.

Dumb bitch.

[Anonymous No.12630419]

Isn't it funny that the Frunkfurt school was the one who discovered it

[Anonymous No.12630422]

>>12630249
Hope you enjoyed the seratonin boost you got from writing this

[Anonymous No.12630425]

>>12630414
>look at my strawman, look at it and seethe
(you)

[Anonymous No.12630429]

>>12630415
So, a sociopath...

[Anonymous No.12630438]

>>12630085
Doesn't anxiety sometimes develop into full panic disorder? In that case it's a bit reductionist to say it's just an amygdala misfunction.

[Anonymous No.12630439]

>>12630429
If you waste your sympathy on people who don't deserve it you won't have any left for people who do.

[Anonymous No.12630449]

>>12630375
t. Narcissist

t. Narcissist

[Anonymous No.12630450]

>>12630422
>muh neurochemistry
psued

[Anonymous No.12630453]

If you are a masters why there is a resentement towards anxious people than?

[Anonymous No.12630464]

>what books will confirm the irrational prejudices that I have already decided to adopt
This is not the sort of thing that one reads a book for, OP. There certainly is no disadvantage in someone as fucking retarded as you staying illiterate.

[Anonymous No.12630471]

>>12630450
hope you felt happy writing this :^)

[Anonymous No.12630473]

>>12630369
Ultimately we are creatures that have evolved over millions of years, with built in systems and behavioral patterns used to navigate the world. This is not as pessimistic and atheist as you might think - evolution is a force which uses truth itself to shape the future. We have inherited these truths in ourselves. Furthermore in evolution we are dealing with social groups of beings, so even morality itself is coded into us.

A human being is not singular in mind, we are made up of many interacting parts, "spirits", archetypes, some of it can be broadly categorized as the Jungian shadow. Don't identify with any of these utilitarian functions and modes of being, but rather a more transcendental principle which gets rid of things that are not needed, and embraces what is good.

Finally, there are purely biological, chemical means to influence us. Lack of vitamin D will effect mood, inflammation will send cytokine markers to your brain which do do affect behavior and mood and is linked to depression, damage to your brain can change you completely. Oh, and don't forget your subconscious, always messing with you.

[Anonymous No.12630481]

>>12630439
all people deserve sympathy

[Anonymous No.12630485]

>>12630481
slave morality

[Anonymous No.12630486]

>>12630473
Cringe and 20th century pilled

[Anonymous No.12630489]

>>12630481
Spoken like someone who doesn't have to rely on them.

[Anonymous No.12630490]

>>12630422
serotonin is only a part of the complex mechanism which enables me to feel pleasure from BTFOing you completely

lol jk :^)

[Anonymous No.12630495]

>>12630486
20th century was not even 19 years ago

[Anonymous No.12630496]

Damn bros. Why don't anxious or depressed people just stop being anxious and depressed? Bam, we just cured so many people. If only they'd thought to stop being anxious sooner. :(

[Anonymous No.12630498]

>>12630085
>neurologist
>expert on the causes of psychological phenomena

pick one pseud

[Anonymous No.12630506]

>>12630495
>he thinks the 20th century has ended

[Anonymous No.12630507]

>>12630496
Why don't they make steps towards stoping anxiety and depression, though?

[Anonymous No.12630509]

>>12630496
This except with de-oedepalizing yrself and unironically

[Anonymous No.12630511]

>>12630378
Most of them are alone for obvious reasons, m8.

[Anonymous No.12630512]

>>12630498
This nigga be taking a 1000 level course at uni called “The Magical brain”

[Anonymous No.12630514]

>>12630471
That's better. faggot
>>12630473
Men can choose to act against their instincts and do as they will. If a man wanted to he could hold his arm to a fire until his flesh melted off, despite the numerous chemical explanations you have tucked away to psychologise and reduce him to material and "spiritual" components. I could beat you in a fight in real life and I would give you no quarter

[Anonymous No.12630522]

>>12630388
What's the difference between anxiety and GAD, OCD, etc?

[Anonymous No.12630523]

>>12630507
Who is they? What the fuck are you even asking? Some do, some don't. Hello?

[Anonymous No.12630528]

>>12630414
Trust me, I read a short essay about it on /pol/.

[Anonymous No.12630530]

>>12630528
>another strawman

[Anonymous No.12630531]

>>12630522
Anxiety itself is literally a normal and healthy emotion that is appropriate to some situations.

[Anonymous No.12630538]

>>12630522
anxiety is only an emotional experience, different mental disorders may include experiencing anxiety to some degree. Those anxiety related disorders work on the grounds of experiencing high levels of anxiety the sufferer wants to get rid of by avoiding specific situations, performing certain rituals (OCD), etc.

[Anonymous No.12630539]

>>12630481
no

[Anonymous No.12630540]

>>12630531
Because it's is appropriate to SOME situations doesn't mean it's normal

[Anonymous No.12630544]

>>12630531
Yes. But anxiety disorders are not normal.

[Anonymous No.12630545]

>>12630540
who defines normality?

[Anonymous No.12630546]

>>12630514
>If a man wanted to he could hold his arm to a fire until his flesh melted off
But can you make yourself want to?

[Anonymous No.12630553]

Glad you bros aren't cursed with an anxiety disorder anyway. Fuck anxious people. Lol.

[Anonymous No.12630557]

>>12630545
You used word "normal" first in your post, m8

[Anonymous No.12630560]

>>12630540
>>12630544
Yes, anon asked what the difference between anxiety and Generalized Anxiety Disorder is, and I obliged.

[Anonymous No.12630561]

>>12630544
he is specifically referring to anxiety as an emotion, whereas most people mistakenly refer to anxiety as a vague disorder. There is no such thing as the disorder of "anxiety", there are disorders that involve experiencing very distressful anxiety, but the anxiety itself is not the disorder.

[Anonymous No.12630564]

>>12630546
One time I fapped so much my dickie was rubbed raw, but I still finished my 37th session of the day. Same difference.

[Anonymous No.12630568]

>>12630514
If you hold out a cane in front of the first sheep in a herd, it will jump over it. So will all the other sheep, even if you retract the cane. This is your exalted man.

[Anonymous No.12630571]

>>12630485
t. individualist cope

[Anonymous No.12630576]

>>12630571
Thought that you deserve sympathy by existing is a cope

[Anonymous No.12630578]

>>12630514
this guy is a B.O. (badass online)

[Anonymous No.12630580]

>>12630036
why do modern men crave giving free money to women so that women have an easy life?

[Anonymous No.12630581]

>>12630560
B&R
>>12630561
>being this autistic about terminology
Imagine confusing normal anxiety and a class of mental disorders that causes one to have debilitating anxiety.

[Anonymous No.12630587]

>>12630576
People that show sympathy for everyone are really doing it to make themselves feel better about themselves but this is usually subconscious, so I wouldn't say it's not real cope

[Anonymous No.12630588]

>>12630415
>I saw my boss have a mental breakdown once.

how it was played out? i´ve live among normies all the time so i don´t know how it´s like

[Anonymous No.12630596]

>>12630587
What is this have to do with deserving sympathy just for bein born and existing in it?

[Anonymous No.12630600]

>>12630581
>it is autistic to clear up terminology that just led to a stupid misunderstanding

[Anonymous No.12630605]

It's like they don't even know about drugs and alcohol to facilitate social encounters. Fucking anxious plebs.

[Anonymous No.12630610]

>>12630600
But "anxiety disorder" is the medically accepted term.
https://www.nimh.nih.gov/health/topics/anxiety-disorders/index.shtml

[Anonymous No.12630613]

>>12630580
sometimes it's just a fetish, but not always

[Anonymous No.12630619]

>>12630036
>Entry level Christian apologetics
You're gonna have to do better than this anon

[Anonymous No.12630620]

>>12630613
sometimes it's much worse

[Anonymous No.12630629]

>>12630605
Please, consider therapy. You can do this without drugs, you just need certain strategies, build up your bravery.

[Anonymous No.12630632]

>>12630620
Typical 4chan users desu

[Anonymous No.12630633]

>>12630613
>>12630620
Vidya breeds sin

[Anonymous No.12630634]

>>12630610
I never said otherwise, I made clear the distinction between anxiety and anxiety disorder

[Anonymous No.12630642]

>>12630634
>there is no such thing as the "disorder" of anxiety

[Anonymous No.12630647]

>>12630588
She was a big time nutcase but her husband managed the business so she managed to scrape out a living with him.

They divorced and she floundered on her own, that's when I came on board (she hired me) and started basically managing it for her. I brought in some more solicitors because we had the work for them and everything was chugging along, although she precipitated occasional crises.

To get an idea of the kind of nonsense - solicitors get paid on commission. They charge you $300 an hour, they get 50% the firm gets 50%. Well, because she's the boss she also got a weekly allowance of about $200 a week. She wanted that upped to $500 a week. I explained to her about 5 times that such an increase would lead to insolvency because we just didn't make enough money to pay her that much (we were barely profitable) and she flipped out. We ended up upping her commission share to 80% but it didn't matter because she didn't do any work. But it shut her up for a while, until eventually she started flipping out again because she couldn't pay her rent.

For reference, she had just as many clients as the other solicitors. She just didn't do any work, and so brought in no commission.

Anyway, we got three complaints about her in the space of two weeks, all of which alleged serious big time professional misconduct and serious incompetence, which will probably end up in her losing her license to be a lawyer. At that point I said fuck this and so the other solicitor and I just bailed out and started our own company without her. She absolutely flipped out when this happened and has become the arch bitch. She won't release files for our clients even though we have signed authorities and she literally has to. She's making complaints to the cops because she thinks we're breaking into her offices. Various nutcase bullshit.

This story does't fully capture how much a nut she actually is though. She thinks that the government has planted listening devices in the office to spy on her, or that helicopters are tracking her with cameras, that kind of delusional shit.

Now you know what it's like to be a wagie.

[Anonymous No.12630658]

>>12630642
there is not, there are anxiety disorders such as OCD, PTSD that involve anxiety to some extent, but there is no such thing as just "anxiety, the disorder".

[Anonymous No.12630659]

>>12630620
This screenshot belongs in a museum somewhere.

It perfectly encapsulates everything that's wrong with modernity.

[Anonymous No.12630660]

>>12630647
Wow, she sounds legitimately crazy. Not sure it's the best example of anxiety not being a disorder, but interesting nonetheless.

[Anonymous No.12630668]

>>12630659
I'm going to frame your post and hang it in my next gallery. Working title for the piece is "A Vacuous Faggot in Wonderland"

[Anonymous No.12630669]

>>12630658
>what is panic disorder

[Anonymous No.12630673]

>>12630669
do you want me to list all known anxiety disorders just to say again that there is still no such a vague thing as "the anxiety illness"? are you really that dense?

[Anonymous No.12630677]

anxiety is real but it's just irrational fear imo

[Anonymous No.12630681]

>>12630673
So anxiety disorders exist, but occasional anxiety is a norml part of life. Sounds like the initial thesis was shit since it didn't differentiate between the two though. :(

[Anonymous No.12630698]

>>12630673
Panic disorder is literally Anxiety: the illness though.

[Anonymous No.12630699]

>>12630677
Absolutely it's an irrational fear unless we're talking about life or death situations or other perilous places anxiety might spring up. If we're talking anxiety about a phone call, social introductions, or going through a supermarket queue, etc, it's irrational af. Knowing that and reminding yourself of that can help, but that's social anxiety and the anxiety disorder associated with it aren't necessarily one in the same.

[Anonymous No.12630701]

>>12630660
>Wow, she sounds legitimately crazy.
It's not just that she's crazy. She's also a bit of a bitch. But it comes and goes, and when she's not being a crazy bitch she's a relatively inoffensive and somewhat intelligent (though obviously not very capable) middle-aged woman.

She basically expected money from the company to just appear in her bank account like magic, no work required. Whenever she couldn't afford something she just asked for more money. She never connected "having money" with "doing billable work."

Then when you told her no, I will not give you money for doing nothing, especially when it's going to run the company that I basically built for you into the ground, she would wig out. She accused me of stealing money from the company at one point, among other things. Then, after her tantrum, she starts sucking up to you and wanting to be your friend again.

>Not sure it's the best example of anxiety not being a disorder, but interesting nonetheless.
She has brain problems, but she's also a bad person.

I interact with a lot of mentally ill people (comes with the territory if you're representing indigent criminals) and it's the same story. A lot of them have legitimate mental illnesses, but that's not enough to explain why they are massive cunts.

Gradually I came to hate them.

I guess the point is that I can recognise that you need and deserve help and still have zero sympathy. I don't think I can have negative sympathy - I don't think anyone's enough of a cunt for me to really genuinely want bad things for them - but it's entirely possible for cuntishness to erode any and all tolerance I am willing to extend on account of mental illness.

And most mentally ill people are cunts, and I think that's because the same things that cause mental illness cause the development of cuntish personalities. If you have a shitty childhood you will likely grow up to be mentally ill and a cunt. I don't think it's a case of the cuntishness being attributable to the mental illness (and therefore something that should be tolerated).

[Anonymous No.12630749]

>>12630613
>>12630620
Where can I find more of this particular type of cringe? When reading these, my face was like pic related, yet, for some reason, I need more of it.

[Anonymous No.12630752]

>>12630749
Try /lit/

[Anonymous No.12630767]

She's anxious because she knows she's a fraud

Tradesmen don't get anxiety unless they get huge bank loans or something

[Anonymous No.12630783]

>>12630767
tradesmen don't have a following of people

[Anonymous No.12630788]

>>12630085
Both anxiety and panic disorders are learned through experience, by being conditioned and by creating self-defeating unconscious rules that create anxiety.
You can train a rat to be afraid of any random stimuli, same with humans. A particularly nasty social experience, continued inability to cope with social situations etc. can all condition your brain to the point of social anxiety disorder. You learn certain unconscious rules, like "If I'm not absolutely perfect, others will berate me." or "I have to keep quiet because it's dangerous and brings attention." etc.

Until recently, this conditioning has been believed to be impossible to undo. Most therapies are built on a counteracting model, where the preferred behavior, emotional state, thinking is trained to counteract the previous condition. Like, in behavior therapy, through exposure you built new conditioning by brute-force and this is effective to a degree but the previous conditioning is never removed, it's just being overpowered some of the time (most people end up relapsing eventually). In CBT (the most common therapy), you continually fight against your thoughts until you learn to think a certain way, but this never really happens, you just learn to tolerate these automatic thoughts but they never really go away.

New research however, has discovered something called "memory reconsolidation", where the conditioned memory is actually updated and even erased through a relatively simple process of reactivation and then reconditioning. Studies on rats have shown previously conditioned behavior being completely erased. This was believed as impossible and previous attempts to recondition rats have all shown that previous conditioning still existed and could be easily reactivated despite the extinction of the behavior.

This is why fighting against your symptoms never works that effectively. You just learn certain coping methods but they never fully go away.
Here's a good talk about how to actually deal with these disorders in a better way. The key is to understand and become aware of your unconscious rules and model of the world and then through the process of "juxtaposition" (essentially an experience that disproves your previous experience and when you focus on both at the same time, you create cognitive dissonance and your brain chooses one). This is all verified by actual neuroscience research, as opposed to the usual psychiatric model of making assumptions and creating abstract models that never get proven.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_V_rI2N6Fco

[Anonymous No.12630813]

>>12630036
Anxiety is the disorder of bitches who can’t muster their own strenght

[Anonymous No.12630815]

>>12630788
So basically you should just involve in social situations that you afraid of and get from them positive result?

[« Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ » !mxvabIoSIE No.12630816]

>>12630036
?

[Anonymous No.12630818]

>>12630815
Sounds like a lot of bullshit just to suggest exposure therapy.

[Anonymous No.12630819]

>>12630036
i wouldn't give a fuck about anxiety if it didn't trigger my ibs giving me the shits

[Anonymous No.12630830]

>>12630819
Try paleo or low fodmap. It takes some time, but I've been symptom free for a year since the switch.

[Anonymous No.12630875]

>>12630085
>"Anxiety comes from narcissism and individualism."
>He still thinks human actions can come from something that is not fueled by the ego and individualism.
What a fucking dumbass.

[Anonymous No.12630878]

>>12630815
No, this can be effective but it's a completely blind approach. Memory reconsolidation can happen spontaneously but it's much easier to do it in a clinical setting where you can become aware of specific inner rules and models and then with precision work on them. With this approach, clients get better relatively quickly after a transformational change occurs without ANY counteracting being done. Like, a person's anxiety can get profoundly better in a very brief period without needing to go through the painful reconditioning, which just creates new circuits instead of changing the problematic ones.

The point is that, other therapies can help, but they do this process of memory reconsolidation only accidentally, which is why studies have shown that all psychotherapies are effective to the same degree, regardless of methodology (see Dodo bird verdict). Meaning, they all fail to be effective and only accidentally lead to real transformational change.

>>12630818
Exposure therapy is counteracting. It's building new circuits to fight old ones. The problem never really goes away, you just learn to tolerate your anxiety symptoms and learn coping mechanisms.
With memory reconsolidation, your conditioning can be erased without needing to actually counteract your conditioning. The juxtaposition is an experiential clinical technique that doesn't require you to actually go through the painful exposure exercise hundreds of times.
It's completely different and way more effective in a very brief period of time.

Watch the talk, it will explain it better than me.

[Anonymous No.12630890]

>>12630875
So is anxiety a spook or not?

[Anonymous No.12630891]

>>12630372
Speak for yourself

[Anonymous No.12630895]

>>12630891
I do.

[Anonymous No.12630896]

>>12630036
>ctrl+f
>kierkegaard
>no results found
>the concept of anxiety
>no results found

Wtf....
Video related
https://youtu.be/CuIxo08hlcY

[Anonymous No.12630903]

>>12630896
"Anxiety is the dizziness of freedom"
>implying freedom isn't a spook

[Anonymous No.12630914]

>>12630896
You're conflating "anxiety" which is an universal thing and part of the human condition and "anxiety disorder" which is not.

[Anonymous No.12630919]

>>12630914
disorder is a term used to specify that a human emotional staye has run rampant and affects other emotional states. This is a symptom of a sick society.

[Anonymous No.12630929]

>>12630104
this but unironically

[Anonymous No.12630935]

Schizoaffective here. Anxiety is very real. It is suffering.

[Anonymous No.12630938]

To be in front of people is like having my skin flayed off. I got an apartment last year and I have been living out of my room with a shitty $20 rice cooker because I would rather starve than be out in the common area where my roommates might see me.
I enjoy the company of certain people, but for the most part being with others is a miserable experience.

[Anonymous No.12630943]

>>12630246
>So why would overly timid behaviour not be a mental illness?
isn't this just called being a pussy? Why do they prescribe you mind altering drugs for this "mental illness"?

[Anonymous No.12630962]

>>12630326
So op is being sarcastic and he wants alpha males on /lit/ to tell him that anxiety is real?

[Anonymous No.12630970]

>>12630890
That is a good question.
Since it comes from the ego speaking, your inability to achive something and your fears i'd say its not a spook.
Anxiety is a feeling you have towards something, its as real as it gets. I dont think feelings can be considered spooks since they are yours and they are the fruit of your desires/fears, you are not doing something because you see it as "holly" and sacred, but rather because you feel your ego threatened.

[Anonymous No.12630976]

>>12630108
what is man without passion? just a machine

[Anonymous No.12630987]

>>12630878
have you done it yourself?

[Anonymous No.12630998]

>>12630938
>I enjoy the company of certain people
You're not one of us. Go back.

[Anonymous No.12631014]

course anxiety is real.

people that go on about 'the sad reality' are always the most deluded

[Anonymous No.12631021]

>>12630249
Okay Mr. Lone Wolf, please tell us more about how you've completely destroyed heteronomy epic style on this Taiwanese pan frying forum.

[Anonymous No.12631036]

>>12630077
Come suck my dick, gay boy

[Anonymous No.12631042]

>>12630875
Stirner reddit cringe

[Anonymous No.12631071]

>>12631042
>Can't counter-argue and prove the contrary to him, so i will call him "reddit" and "cringe", ahah.

[Anonymous No.12631106]

If something impairs your life to the point at which it is extenuatingly difficult to function and damages your wellbeing, it is a disorder. A woman who gets embarrassed because she stumbled on her words when talking to Chad doesn't have a mental disorder. People who have an overlying fear and angst pervading throughout their life and are prone to suicidal and self harming behaviour are ill. If it could reasonably lead to hospitalization or death, it is an illness. Mental illness is a reality.

[Anonymous No.12631161]

>>12631071
Reddit and cringe

[Anonymous No.12631167]

>>12631106
>If something impairs your life to the point at which it is extenuatingly difficult to function and damages your wellbeing, it is a disorder.
So if I am a raging faggot but not attracted to men and I'm scared of others knowing I'm a submissive faggot within seconds of meeting me does this mean I have a faggot disorder or scared faggot syndrome? If I am a pussy who is scared to take responsibility for himself does this mean I have a pussy disorder?
So they treat me with pharmacology and therapy right? So will that get rid of my faggot and pussy disorder? Won't being a faggot pussy mean you can't get rid of these disorders even with help and mind altering drugs?

[Anonymous No.12631193]

I never believed in mental illness either until I started getting random panic attacks everyday about 2 years ago. Haven’t gotten a full blown panic attack in months due to persistent mental and behavioral changes but I still walk around all day with a palpitating heart, hardening cement in my throat, and a stiff neck. Wondering when it will finally go away

[Anonymous No.12631222]

>>12631167
Thankfully mental health professionals have a vocabulary that extends beyond your vulgarities. If you used the proper clinical terminology, you would actually sound coherent and sensible. You're just a pot that wants to call the kettle a nigger instead of black.

[Anonymous No.12631223]

>>12631106
I appreciate the attempt but it's a lost cause trying to educate /lit/ on basic contemporary psychology. /lit/heads either think they know everything about the human condition without ever having opened even an introductory textbook on recent psychological or biological or medical research, or they've maybe read some Freud and Jung. I've rarely seen people so uninformed about a subject claim to know so much about it -- it'd be like me attempting to critique recent physics publications.

[Anonymous No.12631231]

>>12631222
How can you officially diagnose someone with a mental illness/disorder simply because they are weak of will and lack character?

[Anonymous No.12631252]

>>12631223
>state functionaries trying to oedepalize you is an important subject
I'm tired of your mommy-daddy shit, lets air this room, it is in desperate need of fresh air

[Anonymous No.12631256]

>>12630987
No, I don't have access to a therapist and certainly not anyone practicing Coherence therapy (i think the only therapy based on this model).
I've read "Unlocking the Emotional Brain" and the evidence seems quite compelling and the case examples are interesting.

It has changed my thinking. I thought that cognitive-behavioral approach was the way to go and I've done a lot of work with it, but the results were pretty minimal, just improved my functioning and coping with anxiety.
Now I'm thinking more in a pro-symptom manner where I try to understand why my specific symptoms are useful to me and what internal rules make it necessary for me to have them.
I've sorta attempted the work as self-help, imagining talking with a therapist and after one especially potent session where I started crying like a bitch, I did come to some insight that I wrote down on a piece of paper and now read every day in the hopes to integrate this knowledge into my awareness (sometimes this is enough and you don't need to juxtaposition it with a different experience).
I feel different somehow but it could just be a placebo. The biggest difference is that I've stopped berating myself all the time and the usual automatic negative thoughts are seemingly gone and easily dismissible.
The thing I wrote on the paper doesn't feel true to me anymore because it's as if I have unlearned something crucial and now my previous behavior and thoughts just don't make sense anymore.

Still, could be a placebo since this is supposed to be an experiential therapy and doing it without professional guided instructions is difficult and less effective.

[Anonymous No.12631259]

>>12631231
Their weak will and character is the very symptoms of their disorder. It's the difference between having healthy legs and being a cripple. Mental health patients have had various events in their life and certain genetic components that stunt their ability to function. Diagnosing mental disorders is a lot more difficult than a physical ones, but it is easy to tell when someone has a problem.

[Anonymous No.12631318]

>>12631252
>or they've maybe read some Freud and Jung
I see that you're in the second group.

[Anonymous No.12631355]

>>12631167
just be yourself 2bh

[Anonymous No.12631360]

Do you guys pick a random word from a dictionary once in a while and decide that it doesn't exist?

[Anonymous No.12631364]

>>12631014
>people that go on about 'the sad reality' are always the most deluded
So it really isn't society's fault its just that we've gotten better at diagnosing mental problems in people which has caused the perceived rise in depression/other mental illnesses?

[Anonymous No.12631373]

>>12631360
You don't exist.

[Anonymous No.12631400]

>>12631373
The burden of proof's on you, kid.

[Anonymous No.12631407]

Every day i go to work i want to commit suicide. I can't take thirty more years of this!

[Anonymous No.12631415]

>>12631400
No such thing as proof either.

[Anonymous No.12631418]

>>12631407
It seems you just have a shitty life, doesn't mean you have a mental illness

[Anonymous No.12631446]

>>12631418
Actually NOT having anxiety IS the real mental illness. Think about it logically.

[Anonymous No.12631456]

>board loves kirkegaard
>but anxiety isn't real

[Anonymous No.12631497]

anxiety (the disorder) is real, although it is misapplied the majority of time, same with depression
women experiencing "anxiety" as they near 30 should be a phenomenon of its own considering the amount of times i've seen it

[Anonymous No.12631517]

>>12630036
it's real but most people mistake normal fears and worries for "anxiety"

[Anonymous No.12631531]

>>12630647
>wagie

How dare you call yourself a wagie, lawyer scum. You know nothing of my plight!

JK this lady sounds like a bitch thats hilarious! and a little sad

[Anonymous No.12631545]

lol i have anxiety depression and imposter syndrome anyone else know this feel?? normal people just don't understand me

[Anonymous No.12631552]

>>12630339 autistic

[Anonymous No.12631553]

>>12631545
why are you impostering me

[Anonymous No.12631609]

>>12630036
>gosh life is so complicated
>*sips starbucks macchiato*
>like, I have doubts 'bout everything
>*acts for a video and let the rest of her team do everything else*

[Anonymous No.12631631]

>>12630036

but it actually makes some sense that a youtuber would have that kind of anxiety
It's basically an industry that could potentially disappear over night
The only thing is if you're a successful youtuber it's probably not actually very hard to get hired to a normal job even if you have no other concrete skills it's not like employers are just gonna turn up their nose at a self made millionaire and all of those videos you made are essentially just a portfolio
so the anxiety is a bit unfounded in that sense but this is just how it works anxiety is all about blowing things out of proportion and turning small fears into big ones in a slippery slope fashion
This type of anxiety is super normal most people get this anxiety at some point where they worry the bottom could just fall out from under them and leave their life in shambles but of course 99% of the time that's not what happens
Anxiety over aging is also very typical especially in women

[Anonymous No.12631735]

>>12630249
>reads the Wikipedia article on the big deep German philosopher once
>starts blithering about how victims of mental illness are herd animals and have no autonomy
>apparently has no idea that he is reciting the paranoid musings of an anxious and depressive 19th century incel
>whose mind was literally diseased
>who ended his life in a psychiatric clinic (paid for by mommy)
You are mentally retarded 2bh

[Anonymous No.12631845]

>>12630962
No, OP can't argue that anxiety disorders aren't real and wants a real man to do it for him, because he is too beta and stupid.

[Anonymous No.12631880]

>>12631845
I think OP is in denial about his own anxiety disorder, why would he care so much about something so inconsequential and unrelated to him?

[Anonymous No.12631947]

>books that prove the sky isn’t blue? I overheard recently overheard some dyed haired sjw at my college talk about how the sky is blue, and I’m wondering what books I could use to btfo this obviously false feminist propaganda

[Anonymous No.12631974]

>>12631845
>>12631880
>>12631947
https://youtu.be/Ycym8i7hjcA?t=50
So this is op? Why are people so stupid and easily dismissive of those with genuine mental disorders? Is it because they all experience anxiety and general worry in their every day lives?

[Anonymous No.12631979]

>literal scans of brains showing the empirical difference between people with mental disorders and neurotypicals
>is just made up lol
If you are like this, unironically, kill yourself. Peak boomer stupidity right there.