/lit/ - Literature

[Anonymous No.12730289]

Is it even worth learning another language? The time seems better spent just reading more in English, when considering both learning the language and maintenance. I'm obviously american btw

[Anonymous No.12730320]

>>12730289
Learning languages is one of the greatest things you can do with your time. Plus it's really fun and not that hard (after all, most people outside of anglo countries manage to do it, so why not you?)

[Anonymous No.12730335]

ask yourself

[Anonymous No.12730342]

>>12730289
can you give me some french ver of pic

[Anonymous No.12730369]

>>12730320
This. One other thing that amazes me: when you learn a new language the next one becomes easier. Currently learning my fourth one, russian, and dreaming about reading russian classics without translation

[Anonymous No.12730513]

>>12730342

[Anonymous No.12730522]

>>12730289
Is there a German version of that pic?

[Anonymous No.12730530]

Japanese is great. Even an average pornographic game's language is full of subtleties that translation would never be able to adequately transcribe, not to speak of proper literature.

[Anonymous No.12730610]

>>12730289
>maintenance
huh?

[Anonymous No.12730717]

>>12730320
most people outside of anglo countries HAVE to do it. its like saying most tribes in africa hunt lions, so why not you

[Anonymous No.12730759]

>>12730717
If niggers manage to hunt lions then you must be able to do it if you want, that's the reasoning there.

[Anonymous No.12730803]

>>12730759
but that reasoning forgets that necessity is the thing that makes niggers able to hunt lions

[Anonymous No.12730818]

>>12730803
Yes, but necessity only enhances motivation, not capability. The point is that as long as you find motivation (the post goes that learning language is useful and fun), it should also be easy.

[Anonymous No.12730877]

>>12730513
duolingo is just trash, you learn words at 5 times the rate with anki than you do with duolingo. Look for the fluent forever anki deck in your language and don't waste your time with the other apps.

translate these sentences into your target language once a day for about a month, takes no time at all and you're learning basic grammar
https://www.realfastspanish.com/grammar/13-sentences-need-know-guide-spanish-grammar-hacking

Berlitz books are a really good old fashioned series that you don't need to scour ebay for, paperbacks are easily found on amazon, and if you read another in a different linguage the story and presentation will be the same.

if you're watching a movie try mimicing a simple phrase that is uttered, rewinding and repeating for 5 to 10 minutes. increase difficulty as you feel comfortable.

[Anonymous No.12730927]

>>12730818
motivation is the most important thing. if people in european countries only thought oh i'd like to learn english so i can read mark twain rather than translations how many do you think would know english?

[Anonymous No.12731074]

>>12730927
Yes, that's why learning Japanese is actually easier than learning some boring European language that barely ever has porn in it.

[Anonymous No.12731212]

>>12731074
i feel like it's easier to get laid than to learn a new language

[Anonymous No.12731256]

>>12731212
Nah. Learning a new language is a technical task, as long as you spend a certain amount of effort in a not completely retarded way you are bound to learn it. Getting laid, however, is transcendental. You can never tell what's on the other side or how to get there until you actually get laid, and lucky are those who get laid before beginning to think about how to do it. If you have to think about it you've already lost, and nothing short of a miracle will save you. Miracles still happen, mind you, but with all the efforts in the world you aren't by any means guaranteed to get laid. Learning a language is a walk in the park compared to that.

Not to mention that Japanese pornography is way more aesthetic and sensual than an average girl.

[Anonymous No.12731269]

>>12731256
>Getting laid, however, is transcendental.
95% of getting laid is being attractive andor confident

[Anonymous No.12731280]

>>12731256
>Japanese pornography is way more aesthetic and sensual than an average girl
Yeah those sexy pixels make my dick go diamonds

[Anonymous No.12731288]

>>12731212
yes it is, because you just need to get lucky to get laid. learning a language actually takes effort and requires a good work ethic over the course of a few years to become actually fluent for most people.

[Anonymous No.12731338]

>>12731256
everyone is bound to get laid.
& everything is a miracle. it's a miracle you don't dissolve in your bath like a lump of sugar. we're accustomed to miracles and have accepted them as part of daily life.

>Not to mention that Japanese pornography is way more aesthetic and sensual than an average girl.
it's not my cup of tea

>>12731288
yeah, napoleon once said i'd rather have lucky generals than good ones.

[Anonymous No.12731549]

>>12731256
>You can never tell what's on the other side or how to get there until you actually get laid, and lucky are those who get laid before beginning to think about how to do it. If you have to think about it you've already lost, and nothing short of a miracle will save you.

jesus christ dude. from one ex-virgin to a still-virgin, sex is about as beautiful and majestic and mysterious as taking a shit. it's not a life-changing and magical experience unless you're literally a troglodyte that can only appreciate superficiality rather than spiritual connection. i would give up a thousand fuck sessions over an exciting and stimulating conversation.

it's probably because you've built sex up to be this magical experience compared to the rest of life that you see it as such an insurmountable and unachievable goal, and because you believe it to be so, the prospect of sex and relationships become these things which have immense weight to you, things that carry immense stake, despite the fact that all of these stakes are self-inflicted.

i might just be projecting out of my ass since i was in the same boat, but this mindset is not productive or enriching for you, it's just draining and soul-sucking. i didn't get laid until i convinced myself that sex and relationships are pointless in chasing, and i would rather dedicate myself solely to fitness, literature, and work, with no prospects of relationships whatsoever.

when there's no expectation and little to nothing at stake, paradoxically you become much more adept at handling these subjects than if you panicked at contemplating the great weight of your actions.

it's the same mindset when you're creating a work of art, that it is not about what you produce or your status, when instead it is all about what others receive. when you consider this viewpoint, there is nothing for you to really lose.

[Anonymous No.12731629]

>>12731549
I was exaggerating quite a bit, but still, it's exactly the spiritual connection that's difficult to obtain, and sex without it is no more worthwhile than a good masturbation session (that's probably rich coming from me the virgin but nevertheless). Fucking is technical, connecting to people is fucking hard, since you need to understand yourself, you need to understand, at least to some degree, another person, and then you need to construct an interface through which you can communicate and pretend at understanding each other, yet I fail at the very first task. Maybe I'm too greedy in my desires and shoot over what's considered a normal level of connection among people, I have no idea.

[Anonymous No.12731673]

Can you dump the versions for other languages(German especially)

[Anonymous No.12731950]

>>12730369
anon i am also learning russian as my fifth language. reading Бecы has been extremely rewarding to me. you're gonna make it desu!

[Anonymous No.12731957]

>>12730335
>tfw day 1 of nofap

[Anonymous No.12731983]

>>12731950
How far into Russian are you? I would expect someone who's still learning to have great troubles with Dostoevsky.

[Anonymous No.12731999]

>>12731983
pretty far into it lol. i use a dictionary pretty frequently but i've developed a technique for learning languages and i'm pretty much ready to dedicate my life to linguistics and literature so i can push through it. gonna eventually get a job as a professor and teach english in some other country, but for now i gotta do university lol.

[Anonymous No.12732010]

>>12731999
Sounds cool. Good luck!

[Anonymous No.12732032]

I think its pretty pointless honestly. I spent 5 years learning Japanese and 4 years learning Spanish and I hardly use either. To actually read a text in its native language and get all the nuances of it just isn't really realistic for most people, even after having learned a language for many years. There's really no point in learning a language you aren't going to use at least weekly, else you are going to forget it. Hence why Americans getting memed into languages like Russian is so stupid. They are never going to use it in daily conversation, they aren't going to immigrate to Russia, and they aren't going to learn it well enough to read high level classical literature. They will just end up regressing once they lose motivation.

[Anonymous No.12732039]

>>12732032
i'm sorry to hear that you're a lazy chauvinist anon!

[Anonymous No.12732051]

>>12732039
>Lazy
>Self taught two languages for multiple years
huh

[Anonymous No.12732559]

>>12731950
Neat coincidence - I'm also learning Russian and intend to read Бecы soon as the first full-blown novel in the language.

[Anonymous No.12732972]

How do I decide which language to learn? I have an interest in French, Spanish, and Japanese.

[Anonymous No.12732978]

>>12732559
I agree with the other guy that Dosto is hard to understand, read Anna K or something

[Anonymous No.12733446]

>>12732978
Thanks, but I'm a Slav so it's significantly easier for me to read it. I did notice that Dosto is not as easy as some other writers, but I can almost always make sense of the passage as a whole, and can look up the (not numerous) words that I don't get.

[Anonymous No.12733631]

Best way to learn ancient Greek? (native German)

[Anonymous No.12733651]

>>12730289
Learn Mandarin Chinese

[Anonymous No.12733713]

>>12732051
Not him but length of time in language learning means by itself doesn't tell me much about how good you are at those languages and effective your study methods are for learning. I've met lazy people who have been "learning" a language for six years and can't parse a Wikipedia article. I'll respond to your post >>12732032 here to make it look less messy.
>There's really no point in learning a language you aren't going to use at least weekly
For the most part I agree with this but I would say there are different reasons someone can want to learn a language and some of those reasons do not require an amazing facility with it. You could learn a basic bit of Latin because you enjoy philology and you like seeing where English words come from. You don't need very strong Latin to be able to get enjoyment out of it and it doesn't need to be constantly used. You could learn Greek to read philosophy and exclusively read bilingual editions of books which greatly eases reading. You might end up mostly reading the English pages until you come across a specific term or sentence that you swap over for to make sure you properly understand what's being said. This also doesn't require much practice to maintain that level of aptitude.

>Hence why Americans getting memed into languages like Russian is so stupid. They are never going to use it in daily conversation, they aren't going to immigrate to Russia, and they aren't going to learn it well enough to read high level classical literature
Why aren't they going to get to that to that level to read high level classical literature? This also ignores the plenty of other kinds of things you could read in Russian like the news, subtitles for movies, the internet.

>>12732972
Japanese is a very difficult language for an English speaker. French and Spanish are two of the easiest languages

[Anonymous No.12734419]

>>12730530
Yeah no shit, it's a different language. That applies to every language, sometimes even dialects or writing systems.

[Anonymous No.12734632]

>>12730289
No, there is evidence that learning another language decreases cognitive performance

https://theconversation.com/there-are-also-drawbacks-to-being-bilingual-56726

[Anonymous No.12734677]

>>12730530
Unironically this
Japanese is the most aesthetic language
>>12732972
If you want a life-changing experience don't go for indoeuro-analytic-language B or C
>>12732032
>learning Japanese for 5 years
>not watching hentai every week without subs
>not playing eroge in original
Why did you learn it in the first place? You don't have to actually speak the language irl to be considered 'using' it

[Anonymous No.12734843]

>>12730513
Do you have a flowchart for German?