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I am 19 and i dont know whether to live a catholic lifestyle or the hedonistic one all the unintelligent people follow.

>> No.12811654

Do what your soul desires. Don't be bound by shackles of opinions.

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>>12811629

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Live the Heideggerian one.

>> No.12811677

>>12811629
>I can only choose between A and B.
No you faggot, do whatever your will and ego tells you to, even if that means staying chaste because some bitches disgust you.
What people follow is not hedonism, its just herd mentality (really had to use this fedora word), because they often dont do what they want but just do what other people tell them they need to do in order to enjoy life.

>> No.12811679

>>12811629
>im 19 and everything is black and white
dont pick one retard it will come to you in due time

>> No.12811688

You like all morons dont understand what hedonism actually was. You think its sex and drugs and rock and roll.
Greek hedonism basically meant do what gives you pleasure. If reading books, drinking water, and going to sleep at 10 o clock every day gives you pleasure, you're hedonist

>> No.12811689

>>12811629
The "catholic lifestyle" requires you to be way less intelligent than a hedonist. Start with the greeks.

>> No.12811696

>>12811688
so everything is hedonistic because the human always searches for pleasure

some find it in drugs,sex party and some in a meaningful purpose

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>>12811696
>the human always searches for pleasure
>some find it in drugs,sex party and some in a meaningful purpose
Ahahah what a bunch of lies.

>> No.12811708

>I am 19

There's your problem right there.
Also, there's nothing "intelligent" about being a catholic, especially being a 19 year old 4chan catholic.

>> No.12811711

>>12811688
Living a catholic lifestyle does not give me pleasure. It makes me miserable because I am isolated from all my peers. On reflection it seems to me and what everyone must have been thinking when in contact with me is that I was one massive cope.

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>>12811629
ahem.
i'm a nihilistic jackass and i attend the catholic church solely to fulfill my priest fetish and to practice blending in any crown.

>> No.12811715

>>12811708
I went over a year without masturbating, watching porn, pirating, browsing 4chan, going to mass and confession - I was miserable and depressed and suicidal.

>> No.12811742

>>12811629
Read Stirner to despook yourself from religion, nationalism, morality, humanism or any greater good that doesnt care about what you like.
Then jump over to Nietzche to create your own system of values based on affirmative action and realise that all that matters is power and happiness is the feeling when your power is growing.

>> No.12811746

>>12811629
Live nominally catholic in public but hedonistic in private. That’s how I’m living at 23 and it’s working horribly for me, I have absolutely nothing in life that I want. However, I maintain a good public image and have the opportunity for everything I want. My values and desires simply don’t align though, so what is one to do?

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>>12811629
Catholic

>> No.12811830

>>12811668
Kill Yourself.

>> No.12811839

im.. like.. traditional and stuff, i guess.. i mean.. the dudes down at /pol/.com told me it was like good and stuff.. like.. yeah..

>> No.12811863

>>12811688
The greek version is more about pain denial than pleasure seeking

>> No.12811865

>>12811629
If your problem is that you don't know, then either course can lead to the same revelation: either you behave as a Catholic and find that the love for Christ which fills your heart resolves the tension of indecision, or you behave hedonistically and find that your actions are so repugnant to you that you are desperate for another way. Either choice is not without its uniquer dangers. Perhaps by avoiding hell it remains a temptation for you, or perhaps in yielding to your passions you find yourself overwhelmed to the point of no return. It is up to you, but in any case you require convincing of some sort. This requires that you know and believe, and so, in the end, you will have to know what catholicism is about, as well as what hedonism is about, and how they are related. There, then, is your third option, your way of escape: whatever you do, seek to know what it is you are doing, what it is you are seeking by your actions, whether or not you will actually find that thing through that action, and so forth. To make progress in answering these questions is a vertical ascension, rather than a mere going back and forth between "lifestyles," weighing them according to taste instead of a more serious, more mature benchmark.

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I’m 20, I do both.

>> No.12812313

>>12811629
Catholicism is quite hedonistic.
All that victory symbolism, self aggrandizing guilt, this idea that confession and prayer absolves you of sin.
It's barely different from some ecstasy popping atheist club kids unexamined life

>> No.12812392

>>12811629
sounds like a good lifestyle to me

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>>12811629
i don't know where you live boy but where im from the religious are not the intelligent crowd

can we fucking ban these threads already? they are pretty much all the same

>> No.12812423

>>12811629
Read the Greeks and Romans, I guess.

>>12811654
This is a dumb opinion. "Do whatever you desire" is pretty much turning off your brain and living like an animal.

>>12811689
>The "catholic lifestyle" requires you to be way less intelligent than a hedonist. Start with the greeks.
The Greek philosophers had a lifestyle that was much more similar to the catholic lifestyle than the hedonistic one.

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>>12811629
>bro idk if I should follow a righteous and fulfilling life, and receive eternal, glorious life OR if I should enjoy my cosmic five minutes of mortality as a degenerate, and be condemned to burn i the flames of hell forever.

idk man, tough one desu

>> No.12812437

>>12812418
>i don't know where you live boy but where im from the religious are not the intelligent crowd
People who really live a "catholic lifestyle" tend to be smart nowadays, since usually they have to read a lot. The "default" lifestyle nowadays is the hedonistic one.

>> No.12812448

>>>/adv/


wrong board, faggot

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>>12812436
>bro should I larp online about being a crusader and eventually shoot up a mosque or myself OR should I enjoy the only life I'll get by living a cozy life of moderation enjoying the arts and the gifts of life :)

idk man, tough one desu

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>>12812471
Haha yes anon, indeed

>> No.12812484

>>12812436
Better to enter hell with my balls intact, than to enter heaven a eunuch

>> No.12812486

>>12812437
religion is useless and there's no reason to assume a god exists. wowww this discussion again heyyyyy stop

>> No.12812492

>>12811742
Stirner is a faggot and I refuse to read him

>> No.12812515

>>12812486
We are not arguing over your opinion on if God exists or not. We are arguing about the relative intelligence of the people who live a catholic lifestyle and the hedonistic one.
Trad Catholics tend to be pretty smart, at least in the West.

>> No.12812537

>>12811742
Stirner and Nietzsche were hardly examples of people who lived happy lives.

>> No.12812538

Neither wtf that Catholics are corrupt
Christians can party too Jesus read Ecclesiastes and see what advice is given to you youngins (party a little here and there)
The Catholic Church goes against everything written in the Bible

>> No.12812566

>>12812537
Kek

>> No.12812596

>>12812492
So what you dont like to do the shit that you want without having to always justifying to a higher meaning?
>>12812537
It doesnt really matter, they got fucked because of events outside their control.

>> No.12812599

>>12812486
You just totally changed the goalposts and topic of discussion

>> No.12812657

>>12812599
shut the fuck up you stupid worthless shitbag there are no goalposts why the fuck would anyone adopt a catholic lifestye there's the goalposts fuck you're dumb as hell

>> No.12812878

>>12812657
You did it again

>> No.12812935

>>12811629
All irony aside, that depends on where one scores on the scale of psychopathy: The higher, the more at ease one is in a life of profound hypocrisy, secrecy, and private pleasures that run to the exotic--particularly with regard to domestic abuse and neglect, and its multi-generational perpetuation. But since you're obviously jesting, and familiar with objectively better modes of life, fashionably theocratic pretensions are as out of the question for you as they are for me, even for the sake of safety, and despite the disastrous regime changes to come. As for those infuriated by this kind of expose, let them feign religion, according to whatever cult operates to the advantage of their taste for arbitrary power.

>> No.12812941

>>12811742
I don't understand this.
How is Nietzsche "acquire power" not a complete spook? Living in 2019's Europe, I see no fucking reason to acquire power. I have a nice apartment that costs a relatively small fraction of what I earn and I can fuck girls on Tinder when I really need to.

I too shift towards a quite nihilistic stance lately (maybe hedonistic too, as I don't feel like making a baby, as being a parent take all your time), and so I honestly try to find out what Nietzsche is saying and whether or not he maybe was just bitter. What would it mean for me to have more power and why would make my life better? Would having power make me less bored? If so, how? I feel I'm already free to do whatever.

Plx respond, I'd like to understand the point of more power (?)

>> No.12812987

>>12812941
Nietzschean power (will to power) is a much more general thing than what you think of as power. It's Schopenhauer's Will with a positive spin. Nietzsche considered his philosophy (and all "true," non-academic philosophy) as an art of thought that dominated all others, an expression of his will to power. Creating the value system would itself be an expression of will to power. Any time you "win" an argument, that's a petty expression of your will to power. It's creation, force, agency, activity, the motion of life, music. Power is its own point, having this power fulfills itself as its own end. The kind of power you seem to be talking about would be called "slavery for bourgeois rabble" by Nietzsche.

>> No.12813064

>>12812423
>"Do whatever you desire" is pretty much turning off your brain and living like an animal.
Only if your desires are that of an animal.

>> No.12813086

>>12812987
>Any time you "win" an argument, that's a petty expression of your will to power. It's creation, force, agency, activity, the motion of life, music. Power is its own point, having this power fulfills itself as its own end.
Okay, but what's the point for me? What's in it for me?

>> No.12813093

>>12811629
You sound like an idiot.

>> No.12813102

>>12812931
>How is Nietzsche "acquire power" not a complete spook?
That is not a spook, the power is your property and with your property you can control other things and exert your will.
The Nietzschean power can literally be anything more than legal just property. Perhaps in your instance it could be getting a better job, developing a new skill or find good partner. Choice is yours. Most of the things you do and work for are for power in some way.

>I too shift towards a quite hedonistic
Hedonism is not, as said by a another other, sex drugs and rock n roll. Its about doing what you like and what you want that being staying all night playing games, reading books or cycling.

>>12813086
>Okay, but what's the point for me? What's in it for me?
We dont know what the fuck do you want and where your life stands. Do what is in your will and you see it is for your selfinterest that is the power.

>> No.12813144

>>12813086
>What's in it for me?
Are you asking what the material benefits would be?

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>>12811629
>another religion thread

>> No.12813378

>>12811629
One year ago I had everything I lived a very hedonistic life: party, booze, drugs and pussy. However I was disturbed and with a feeling of void in my chest.
Now I try to live a Christian life and my life is full of peace.

>> No.12813391

>>12811711
Solitude is not a bad thing. It makes you grow closer to God.

>> No.12813495

>>12811629
If you are questioning this, you have already made your choice, anon