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What does /lit/ think about writing in a language other than your mother tongue.

>> No.12947965

>>12947954
i don't think about it at all

>> No.12947973

Why, is that my tutor?

>> No.12948006
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12948006

>>12947954

I can't write in my own language at all. I get lost in inane style-over-substance trickery that I hate immediately after and can't get the message out. I'm blind to my own bullshit and always end up massproducing drivel that makes no sense on closer scrutiny.

Writing in another language forces me to think more carefully about what I'm trying to say, and allows me to just stick to the point.

>> No.12948144

>>12948006
t. Beckett

>> No.12948283

English isn't my mother language but I prefer it much more for writing

>> No.12948290

>>12948006
this

>> No.12948299

>>12947954
Is that Emily Grey?

>> No.12948300

>>12947954
who's this coloumn culminator

>> No.12948334

>>12947954
my mother language is Croatian and there is no way in hell ill write anything in that lord forsaken language, and its much easier when I need a reference or I'm searching a word to find it on internet.
Also reading books is easier on English than Cro

jebo mater hrvatski neke pute moram stat i procitat nekoliko puta recenicu jer je tolko lose napisana (pitaj boga ko ju je preveo) da se osjecam ko debil ali engleski je vise fluidan, dali i drugi s balkana imaju taj problem?

>> No.12948340

>>12947954
joseph conrad managed to do it pretty well

>> No.12948342

>>12948334
how will you deal with the guilt when your language inevitably dies?

>> No.12948343

Conrad, Beckett, Cioran and others were able to do it

>> No.12948349

There's this Austrian called Carpeaux who was a genius that came to Brazil and wrote a History of Western Literature entirely in Portuguese.

>Perhaps the peak of Carpeaux's production was his eight-volume História da Literatura Ocidental (History of Western Literature),[7] unfortunately available only in Portuguese, in spite of being in public domain. Late critic José Lino Grünewald labelled it one of the brightest moments of the language in prose, despite the fact that Carpeaux was not a native speaker. It is also unique in that it focuses on creating links between all periods, in order to create an organic vision of the literary history he is telling. The book also include more than 8,000 brief criticisms and expositions of the majority of the figures discussed along the way, minus the ones cited in passing; all are dealt with in their original languages, both in expositions and quotations and in the bibliography offered. The total bibliographical amount of cited works is on the merge of 30,000 books or more.

Someone should translate this into English.

>> No.12948383

>>12947954
Patrician; bonus points if that language isn't fucking English. Everyone should learn to hate their home culture once in a while.

>> No.12948384

>>12948334
I ja imam isti problem,lakse mi bilo na engleskom ali djelo gubi poentu onda

>> No.12948421

I'm half-way through forgetting my native tongue as I barely socialize and use it to interact with anybody outside brief conversations at work. Any time there's a social gathering of friends and family, I turn into a stuttering retard who can barely produce anything of coherence, since my mind now thinks in english first.

>> No.12948477

>>12948421
This happened to me and now I literally cannot produce a sentence in my first language or understand 95% of what is being said.

Arrest that shit right away or you will deeply regret it later in life.

>> No.12948484

>>12947954
Nabakov, Conrad, Heaney

All great writers who wrote in different languages

>> No.12948486

>>12948484
Beckett I mean

>> No.12948500

>>12948484
Nabokov doesn't count

>The family spoke Russian, English, and French in their household, and Nabokov was trilingual from an early age.

>> No.12948542

>>12948421
been there, you need to fix it

>> No.12948672

>>12947954
I think it's fine.
Me, I was born in Brazil and moved to USA when I was 3, so I learned portuguese before english, but today I write well in english and fucking awful in portuguese.

>> No.12948707

>>12947954
Oh hi there girly how is your day going? Yes yes it is nice weather we are having. Oh sorry I... I couldn't help but notice, your nipples are hard, are you- erm are you "aroused"? Mmmmm yeah... is that right? You really wanna do something so spontaneous right here? OK then baby girl mmmmm let daddy take you for a ride you wont soon forget

>> No.12948849

>>12948477
>or understand 95% of what is being said.
this sounds like fucking bullshit unless you stopped speaking it in early childhood or something

>> No.12948894

>>12947954
yes if you're not english. never if you are

>> No.12948993

>>12948849
Scared, kid?

>> No.12949048

>>12947954
Why would someone so beautiful desecrate themself so much?

>> No.12949877

>>12947954
Best exercise to get better at said language

>> No.12949885

I speak a Germanic, Semitic, Cushitic and Romance languages.

And I honestly think and act differently in each one.

>> No.12949906

>>12949885
Can you explain more? Different how? I'm curious

>> No.12949979

>>12948849
>Staying inside 24 hours a day arguing with retards on a persian carpet weaving forum and not speaking with anyone your mother tongue makes you forget it
Who could've guessed?

>> No.12950314

>>12948342
I don't fell like my language has any class and also it was poorly constructed so it has no chance in surviving

>> No.12950557

>>12949979
Why not just, IDK, read a couple of articles in your native tongue every day or so just to keep it fresh in your mind? Surely you can't have lost it that rapidly, you've probably just stopped bothering to use it properly because shitposting in a Francophied West Germanic language is "easier"

>> No.12950564

>>12949885
Algerian (Semitic) Francophone (Romance) speaking English (Germanic) and boning a Sudanese girl (Cushitic)?

All I can think of

>> No.12950585

you're no nabakov, chantard

>> No.12950609

>>12948299
it is.

>> No.12951630

sometimes i wonder if i should write my suicide note english or my mother tongue

>> No.12952418

>>12951630
Write it in Japanese so that it will take your parents more effort to read it than they took to give birth to you.

>> No.12952449

>>12952418
>implying they will put in the effort

>> No.12952483

>>12952449
At least make them wallow in the guilt that they won't

>> No.12954746

>>12947954
It's like shitting with someone else's asshole. Fun but exhausting

>> No.12954846

>>12947954
god I wish that were me

>> No.12955015

>>12947954
cut out the entropy middleman man and write in the american english chinese french nip future pidgeon language instead of the inevitable dead ones

>> No.12955787

>>12947954
If Nabokov can write Lolita in English I'm all for it. As long as it isn't some made up bullshit language like Swahili.

>> No.12955796

>>12948383
I could try to write in French I guess but I fucking hate the French mostly. How the fuck did Beckett pull it off I'll never know?

>> No.12955810

>>12948349
What kind of shit literary histories was this guy reading such that “links between all periods” is groundbreaking.

>> No.12955813

>>12948707
Porn is universal. It need no language but tongue of fucking.

>> No.12955816

>>12955787
>If Nabokov can write Lolita in English I'm all for it
English was his first language.

>> No.12955821

>>12947954
Lots of shit was written in Latin and Sanskrit and now mostly no one speaks that shit.

>> No.12956141

YOUR SEXY FEMALE IMAGES MAKE MY NOFAP MORE DIFFICULT YOU ASSHOLE

>> No.12956365

>>12947954
Wow...

>> No.12957210

>>12948542
I second this, now I wholly appreciate and love my native language above all else

>> No.12957323

>>12950314
>don't feel like my language has any class
stop self hating man. it's not good for you. don't buy into the cosmopolitan moderno bullshit, it will wreck you in the long run. embrace your roots and heritage

>> No.12957507

>>12948484
>>12950585
>>12955787
What's your fucking problem you FUCKING retards? How many more of you are there?

>> No.12957513

I forgot how to read or write in my mother tounge

>> No.12957545

If you're not anglophone and you feel "English is more literary" or something like that, you've been infected by the Eternal Anglo. This is pure language cuckoldry in action.

>> No.12957572

>>12957545
It's not cuckoldry to recognize the truly superior as superior. I can't even communicate in my native language anymore, I've been spoiled by the vocabulary of english and having terms and phrases for every little thing. It's impossible to communicate more complicated or modern ideas in my native language without using words borrowed from english anyway

>> No.12957971

>>12957572
English does excel with an incredibly rich and diverse vocabulary. What it lacks is the grammar to transform this vocabulary into deep expressivity. In the end English only shines at a certain aesthetic of sparsity and linearity, which is exemplified by the stream of consciousness.

>>12948334
Take Croatian as an example, it certainly has a richer and more expressive grammar compared to English.

tl;dr learn more languages, multilingualism is the way to go

>> No.12957977

>>12957971
cope harder.

>> No.12957996

>not switching between 2 or 3 languages every few words/sentences
I'm learning German and Japanese so I can switch between 4 languages constantly, thus creating an entirely unreadable mess

>> No.12958092

>>12947954
It's harder for me, the way I write in my native language is already quite defined (it's based around the way I speak everyday), with foreign languages I have to create a new style, and it just doesn't feel as authentic.

>>12957572
English is not the only language where this will apply tho. Learn the three bigs, English, German and French, they all have equally rich vocabularies, and each will be richer than the others if you delve into a specific area of knowledge (e.g. English for informatics, German for philosophy, French for culinary).

>> No.12958105

English has a far larger vocabulary than German or French, the dictionary sizes speak for themselves. It probably doesn't match Japanese though.
>German for philosophy, French for culinary
kek

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>>12958092
>the three bigs
>English, German and French

>> No.12959194

>>12957572
>It's impossible to communicate more complicated or modern ideas in my native language without using words borrowed from english anyway
Or maybe you haven't read enough in your own language and doesn't know how to communicate them?

>> No.12959207

>>12958105
If I recall correctly, German can make up any word on the spot and those words aren't put in the dictionary

>> No.12959247

>>12957971
And here, gentleman, the we see a new species being born: the lingocuck.

>> No.12959274

>>12959207
As if you can't do that in English

>> No.12959316

>>12959274
Not like German, it can't.

You can make kilometric words in German:
>Betäubungsmittelverschreibungsverordnung
>regulation requiring a prescription for an anesthetic

Backpfeifengesicht
>(colloquial) a slappable face, a face "in need of a slap"

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>>12948334
>>12948384
t. mozgomalci

>> No.12961402

I'm doing it now.

>> No.12961445

>>12959316
You are like a little baby.

>kumarreksituteskenteleentuvaisehkollaismaisekkuudellisenneskenteluttelemattomammuuksissansakkaankopahan

and that's not even a compound

>> No.12961482

>>12948334
Ja sam oko sto posto siguran da je ovo zato sto si ti totalni mozgomazlum, a ne sto je hrvatski tezak (ne da je lagan). Engleski ja za kurve i retarde, a ti ocito nisi kurva.

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