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13000104 No.13000104 [Reply] [Original]

Can somebody dumb down Freuds idea of sublimation for me? Is he saying that we channel our untapped sexual energy into activities other than sex? Like a celibate priest would have his scholarly side benefit from the celibacy? Or is that too blunt of an example?

>> No.13000171

He would have his scholarly side benefit purely from redirecting those urges into more reading/research. Purely being celibate wouldn't make him smarter or anything.

>> No.13000174

Whenever I get really focused on something for a whole day, I don't masturbate that day. Maybe that's it.

>> No.13000210

>>13000174
Wouldn't it be the opposite? Deciding that instead of masturbating you're going to focus on the 'something'

>> No.13000219

>>13000174
>>13000210
Might also just be because people alleviate boredom with masturbation? So if you've got an interesting activity to work on you don't need to jerk it

>> No.13000236

>>13000104
Its not that hard just read some secondary literature seriously.

>t.learned pretty much all of freud in a HS AP psych class

>> No.13000248

>>13000219
Okay but we're talking about Sublimation, where unacceptable impulses are turned into acceptable actions. You wouldn't be using masturbation to focus, you'd be using the impulse to focus.

>> No.13000268

>>13000248
I mean it makes sense on a biological level, ejaculation reduces dopamine levels which is basically the "motivation" chemical in the brain. If you "use up" your sexual energy, then you just have less motivation in general.

>> No.13000292

>>13000268
I think leaving the masturbation example behind would help here. It can be any socially unacceptable act. Stealing, cutting the tail off of a dog, getting into fights at a bar.

>> No.13000301

>>13000104
it's where you "sublimate" unacceptable impulses into socially acceptable ones. this is the problem with censorship and political correctness, we've regressed into such animality that you can't even sublimate unacceptable impulses anymore, because even the sublimation of the expression is now unacceptable. we're rapidly becoming less than philistines, we're regressing to complete animality due to the equality of women. all art and all culture and all civilization is being abolished. sublimation is no longer possible, yet it's not even desublimation, just pure, thoughtless, blank animality

>> No.13000320

>>13000301
I don't understand what you mean when you say "the sublimation of the expression is now unacceptable" could you please expand? the very definition of sublimation is turning unacceptable impulses into socially acceptable actions. No matter what society dictates is acceptable or not, sublimation is doing the acceptable action.

>> No.13000334

>>13000320
Not him, but consider:
If you narrow acceptable behavior too far, you won't have the behavioral range necessary to sublimate everything that needs sublimation.

>> No.13000348

>>13000334
understandable. I'm curious what actions they believe were at one time acceptable and now looked down upon?

>> No.13000351

>>13000334
But sublimation isn’t defined to a range. Being super PC can be a sublimation in itself.

>> No.13000373

>>13000351
I think it's a bit of a stretch to assume no bounds on the, I don't know, "ethical distance" the process of sublimation can span. If it were unrestricted, we should expect everyone to only behave in ways that are acceptable.

>> No.13000410

>>13000373
What? But not everyone sublimates the same way and “socially acceptable behavior” is a highly variable notion to begin with. What use is psychological concept like sublimation without some sociological nuance?

>> No.13000431

>>13000210
Focusing on something releases catecholamines which physically make sexual arousal less likely to occur. Sounds like your so habituated the process ensues in expectancy of the act.

>> No.13000453

>>13000431
Ignoring the empty assumption, sublimation isn't just about sexual acts. It can be any socially unacceptable behavior

>> No.13000459

>>13000210
i don't believe sublimation is a conscious act

>> No.13000460

>>13000301
>due to the equality of women
I have a hunch that you veered off from what Freud said at some point.

>> No.13000465

Freudism is a well known pseudoscience. Psychologists only credit him for creating the field. Why are you even bothering with understanding him?

>> No.13000470

>>13000459
Right, and neither did Freud (scientific accuracy notwithstanding). But the person I was replying to did not fully understand the concept.

>> No.13000479

>>13000465
Sublimation has been studied as recently as 2013. Most of what Freud said has been found untrue. But currently Sublimation stays.

>> No.13000480

>>13000465
>t. brainlet

>> No.13000536

>>13000320
censoring freedom of speech, censoring freedom of expression. judging everything from the viewpoint of psychiatry. even the way people on this website view art as reflective of the author's mind in light of psychiatry, so that we must censor artistic expression for fear of it being taken as mere self-expression and treated as a sort of deviation. so now, not only are you not allow to express the socially unacceptable impulse, you're not even allowed to sublimate it - only happy thoughts allowed, only positivity and productivity, no suffering, violence, sex, or death, and if you even display a negative emotion that you might want to sublimate into art, well, you're mentally ill! imagine if any of the great artists had been made to believe they were mentally ill for experiencing and wanting to express negative emotions! there would be no art, there would be no culture. and this is where we're heading. the elimination of all negativity and everything that differs from the norm, the death of art

>> No.13000541

>>13000171
I suppose I don't understand what it means to "sublimate" to begin with so maybe getting hung up on the priest example is bad, but would him consciously opening a book every time he had a sexual urge be an example of sublimation? Or is it something you do without even realizing, something that say happens over a lifetime?

>> No.13000545

>>13000351
being PC is the reaction formation of political incorrectness (sexism, racism, etc)

>> No.13000562

>>13000541
The story goes that Freud cae up with the idea when he heard of a child who would cut the tails off of any stray dog he would come across, he later became a surgeon. Maybe a more realistic example would be a violent child signing up for boxing classes, going out and chopping firewood when you are angry, A man thinking about cheating on his wife completing house repairs when she is away.