/lit/ - Literature

[Anonymous No.13116492]

A big part of his supposed genius was commonplace back then. He only seems esoteric and mysterious to us because of his obscure language. He was forgotten until Voltaire or some faggot revived him from oblivion and now every literary academist jerks off about how amazing he was while in truth he was alright for the times. There's nothing in Shakespeare that doesn't also happen in other artists from the period.

[Anonymous No.13116496]

Oh, okay

[Anonymous No.13116512]

We only pay attention to his works because of the imperialistic nature of Anglo culture. Had the French dominated the world we would be idolizing Rabelais. Had the Spanish dominated the world we would be idolizing Cervantes. Instead, we have William Jerome Shakespeare, literally R*ddit: the playwright. Shame.

[Anonymous No.13116513]

>>13116492
He pretty much wrote the equivalent of Hollywood blockbuster movies. His works are just popcorn flicks, nothing more.

[Anonymous No.13116552]

>>13116513
>completely revolutionized story telling and the English language
>some virgins on 4chan rag on you 400 years later

[Anonymous No.13116553]

I completely love this pasta, it's probably now my favorite, only competing with the one about how to start reading

[Anonymous No.13116559]

>>13116512
>>13116513
C O P E
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[Anonymous No.13116584]

>>13116553
>the one about how to start reading
what's that one? can you share it?

[Anonymous No.13116593]

>>13116512
>imperialistic
Stopped reading

[Anonymous No.13116601]

>>13116593
You missed a good meme. Shame.

[Anonymous No.13116602]

>>13116492
I want to know who the fuck is the other writer who can not only write things like this:
>Tomorrow, and tomorrow, and tomorrow,
>Creeps in this petty pace from day to day,
>To the last syllable of recorded time;
>And all our yesterdays have lighted fools
>The way to dusty death. Out, out, brief candle!
>Life's but a walking shadow, a poor player,
>That struts and frets his hour upon the stage,
>And then is heard no more. It is a tale
>Told by an idiot, full of sound and fury,
>Signifying nothing.
But be consistent in writing things like that. Pretty much all his plays feature a timeless monologue(search for 'The Beauties of Shakespeare' by William Odd, it's public domain and you can find on google books), combined with carefully crafted entertaining plots (at least in the case of the tragedies)that are still relatable to this day (mainly because everyone drinks from Shakespeare's font). How he managed to do it?

[Anonymous No.13116606]

Another idiot trying to devalue Western culture

[Anonymous No.13116612]

>>13116606
>>13116602
newfags spotted

[Anonymous No.13116637]

>>13116553
for me it's goofs and gags, but really I became an avid reader like three months ago and I can't stop. I stopped watching tv and I don't spend much time on 4chan anymore.

Here's how I did it.

-Remember the average person reads like zero books a year. If you read 5 pages a day, you are 5 pages above the average person

-Don't force yourself to read. Commit to read 5 pages a day. I swear after three days you'll feel like reading more and after a month or so you should be reading 50-100 pages a day for pleasure

-Read various books at the same time. When I grab a difficult book or one that makes me sleepy I grab another and switch. This should refresh your head. Keep them thematically different. I read economics and fiction.

-It isn't a race. Reading slowly won't make you sleepy that fast. Try to acknowledge what books are for you to read fast and which aren't.

-Buy the physical copies. When you get the books from your own money you'll feel the need to read them to avoid the feel of wasting your money.

-Start with books highly discussed here so you feel motivated to discuss.

[Anonymous No.13116654]

>>13116552
>completely revolutionized story telling
Poetic dialogue had been around for quite some time by the time he appeared on the scene.
>and the English language
Adding some expressions and words here and there it's not "revolutionizing" a language. And many of the words inaccurately attributed to him come from Latin or French, like assassination.

He added a credible psychological aspect to his characters and his poetry was influential, but he's not Jesus Christ. Talk about cult of personality.

[Anonymous No.13117497]

This is bullshit. I read - and enjoy - Shakespeare's contemporaries, Middleton, John "Tis Pity She's a Whore" Forde, Marlowe, etc. And while there are similarities, only Marlowe comes close to the Immortal Bard himself.

[Anonymous No.13117508]

few people are calling shakespeare "esoteric and mysterious". what are you on?

[Anonymous No.13117552]

>>13117508
see Martin Lings 'Secret of Shakespeare' his other book based on his talks (which are available online), and Chan's Quintessence of Dust: The Mystical Meaning of Hamlet.
also this: https://parabola.org/2019/01/30/the-esoteric-shakespeare-by-michael-white/

[Anonymous No.13117582]

>>13117508
>Macbeth
>The Tempest
>not esoteric and mysterious

[Anonymous No.13117633]

>>13116654

But he did revolutionize the language. To take but one example, “be-all and end-all” from Macbeth has entered the language as an idiomatic expression that has rolled off the tongues of 500 000 000 - one billion people at least. Name an analogous author. There are literally 800 other words and phrases outside of the bible and people like Confucius or Mahatma Ghandi.

Furthermore, if you unpack the phrase, a pan-presence is implied in the first part is teleologically connected to and projected into a finite ending, whole. It’s a whole worldview in a phrase.

[Anonymous No.13118313]

>>13117633
>There are literally 800 other words and phrases outside of the bible and people like Confucius or Mahatma Ghandi
?
>Furthermore, if you unpack the phrase, a pan-presence is implied in the first part is teleologically connected to and projected into a finite ending, whole. It’s a whole worldview in a phrase.
Are you high?

[Anonymous No.13118352]

>>13118313
people like you under 90iq should never read people like shakespeare.

[Anonymous No.13118367]

>>13118352
Or you just worded your reply like a homosexual and people don't understand your vague nonsense.

[Anonymous No.13118374]

>>13116553
>I completely love this pasta, it's probably now my favorite
same

[Anonymous No.13118388]

>>13116512
this but completely and entirely unironically

[Anonymous No.13118394]

I found Christopher Marlowe's works significantly easier to read.

[Anonymous No.13118420]

>>13116512
>William Jerome Shakespeare
lmao

[Anonymous No.13118428]

>>13116513
He was the Tarantino of his time.

[Anonymous No.13118440]

>>13118367
that wasnt me and he wasnt vague

dumb ass

[Anonymous No.13118452]

>>13118428
nah, that was Middleton, Shakespeare was Scorsese-tier.

[Anonymous No.13118458]

the jew of malta and doctor faustus are very weak compared to shakespeares best

[Anonymous No.13118463]

>>13116492
so what are your favorite and least favorite of his plays and sonnets?

[Anonymous No.13118465]

>>13118458
now now

[Anonymous No.13118470]

>>13118440
It's bit of a stretch to say a phrase is a whole worldview. We can say the same for other phrases but since they're not by William Jerome Shakespeare, they aren't overanalyzed.

[Anonymous No.13118477]

>>13118452
Scorsese seldom writes his films, though.