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>Intellectuals in the 21st century
What the fuck happened? Where are the Deleuzes, Whiteheads, and Foucaults of our time?

>> No.13303965

>>13303959
We're all here, you just refuse to acknowledge it

>> No.13303971

>>13303959
Those charlatans will be feasted upon. Do not pity them when it happens. This is nature.

>> No.13303978

>>13303959
intellectuals are receding into hiding. there are none here, not even me. intellectuals know it's dangerous to be a real intellectual now. you're either controlled opposition or a target. those people are not representative of contemporary thinkers.

>> No.13304061

>>13303978
who is

>> No.13304073

>>13304061
You :^)

>> No.13304083

Those intellectuals are the necessary outcome of the teachings of Deleuze, Foucault and many others of their time. I absolve Whitehead of any responsibility though.

>> No.13304096

they either committed suicide, became homeless heroin addicts, or died fighting for a doomed rebellion in some god-forgotten country nobody's ever heard of

>> No.13304159

Imagine grouping Deleuze and Foucault with one of the progenitors of analytic philosophy as we know it today

>> No.13304165

>>13304159
I doubt much of anyone on /lit/ is familiar with Whitehead's mathematical or philosophy of science works

>> No.13304176

>>13303959
actually, it's far worse than you think

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YSPot3c-zOg (8:03 and the next few minutes)

what the fuck are you philosofags doing?

>> No.13304180

>>13304159
Whitehead denounced anglocuck philosophy and cured himself of the the curse of the eternal anglo.

>> No.13304195

>>13304180
Are you completely ignorant of Wittgenstein's early philosophy and its followers represented in the Vienna Circle, ie Schlick, Neurath, and/or Carnap?

>> No.13304216

>>13304195
what about them

>> No.13304229

>>13304216
Your post was claiming that analytic philosophy was primarily an 'anglo' pursuit/methodology which historically isn't the case

>> No.13304239

>>13304176
Based anglos shitting on continentals

>> No.13304255

>>13304176
Ray brassier is extremely based.

>> No.13304295

>>13304229
It is an anglo pursuit

>> No.13304308

>>13304295
Was Frege doing anglo philosophy?

>> No.13304338

>>13303959
Internet.

There's a generation who had a misstep; they went from an analog world to a digital one. Their brains couldn't adapt quickly enough and now their most potent thoughts and ideas get decimated by the ADD-inducing mania of the internet-world. They're slowly coming out of it, but if they're over the age of 30, odds are they won't get over it fast enough.

The slightly younger generation, though, has a chance to move past it. To wield the internet without succumbing to it. It's potently obvious in Gen Y: a burgeoning intellectual community that is evading every attempt to define or capitalize on them. When they hit their 20s, the world's gonna shift.

It's also possible for Gen Z, who are now in their twenties. They gained the internet somewhere during their development, and though many rely on it, they are trying to escape it, even now. But it won't be a natural overcoming, like their Gen Y counterparts. They must willingly choose to put down their phones and make a mark in the world, or else waste away in the digital graveyard of half-assed ideas and directionless debates.

>> No.13304349

>>13304338
>It's potently obvious in Gen Y: a burgeoning intellectual community that is evading every attempt to define or capitalize on them.
What are you talking about specifically?

>> No.13304467

>>13304349
Despite the fact that evade defining?
The foremost example I can think of is Soph. Obviously a bright kid, doesn't drink the proverbial kool-aid. Dares to make a video with reasonable arguments and internet-humor. Immediately branded as dangerous and kicked off of the community.
I can't think of other examples from the public eye, but I can't help but think of my nieces. A pair each from different mothers, all four of them raised together. They are Smart. Scary-smart. Three years ago they were in grade school, positively glued to their phones. All their friends were, too. This past spring, they're about to enter high school, and they rarely looked at their phones. They spoke with elocution, they stood tall and looked you in the eye. They were unafraid to ask questions.
Their parents, on the other hand (my cousins, not technically "nieces" but it's a more apt description) were just like the rest of us. By which I mean- any time mundane conversation turned to something of note, some conceptual or ideological realm, out come the devices to check the "facts". Discussion over.

This is, of course, just my observation. The internet was supposed to revolutionize human consciousness, not turn into what it has. But I think it still can: it just takes a few generation for it to become ubiquitous. I really am optimistic about the future.

(oh, one last thing: remember that worldwide student-environmentalism protest? That's the sort of thing I'm hopeful about.)

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>> No.13304486

Is this a meeting of the greatest intellectual minds on the planet? It sure looks like it.

>> No.13304488

Intellectualism is incompatible with social media as a medium

>> No.13304491

>>13304467
>worldwide student-environmentalism protest? That's the sort of thing I'm hopeful about.)
kids are fed propaganda to 'save the environment their entire lives'. They didnt invent the concept themselves

>> No.13304527

>>13304491
the idea that environmentalism is a ploy to abuse market values is not only prevalent, but entirely untrue. Immoral people take advantage of genuine efforts, which makes it seem true, but legitimate action needs to be taken.
But this is not an environmentalism thread, is it?

>> No.13304529

>>13303959
the greatest minds of the 21st century. God Bless America

>> No.13304540

>>13304527
Im not even talking about whether environmentalism is a worthy cause or not, just the source of kids caring about it.

>> No.13304541

>>13303959
>JP trying so hard
Who the fuck makes that face, that's like what a 13 y/o does once until he realizes how fucking stupid he looks. What a fucking pseudo

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>> No.13304557

>>13304540
Fair.
But that's part of what I mean; do you think those children just took their teachers at their word, or did they go and try to verify the information they were given?

>> No.13304588

>>13304557
>verify the information they were given?
How do you do this? How do you know which institutions to trust in the first place for verification? A kid can't do any of that

>> No.13304624

>>13303959
Im working on my masterpiece, just wait a few more years

>> No.13304671

>>13304557
>do you think those children just took their teachers at their word, or did they go and try to verify the information they were given?
They probably took their teachers at their word because high schoolers lack the capacity to do rigorous scientific research.

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>>13303959
It's not their fault, you're obviously not trying hard enough. Also, not every single piece of philosophy has to be groundbreaking. These aren't paradigm shifters, no one is. But don't worry, there are real geniuses out there (me desu), and as soon as I release my 2300 page masterpiece I'll be one of the greats for sure.

>> No.13304915

>>13304073
i just wanted to see if i can be you, it is only a test. But i am stealing your identity for tonight.

>> No.13304992

>>13304915
Ok, make sure to not be out too late. Have fun.

>> No.13305240

Peterson is more influenced by Foucault than he would like to admit.

>> No.13305338

Is Delueze the new Derrida for the memers?

>> No.13305372

>>13305338
2018 was Deleuze's year this is a Whiteheadian board now

>> No.13305668

>>13304308
Yes

>> No.13305781

>>13303959
>>13303959
>Where are the Deleuzes, Whiteheads, and Foucaults of our time?
right there, in that picture

>> No.13305794

>>13303959
Four (4) Jews in that pic

>> No.13305864

>>13303959
Foucault sucks

>> No.13306030

>>13305864
retard

>> No.13306036

>>13306030
How 'bouts a faceful of cummies?

>> No.13306054

>>13304467
>The internet was supposed to revolutionize human consciousness,
Kek, you ate the ganda'
Consciousnes is a tool for predators.
Humans aren't even fully conscious most of the day.

>(oh, one last thing: remember that worldwide student-environmentalism protest? That's the sort of thing I'm hopeful about.)
Oh
you want socially engineered movements
great!

Internet is just one big sandbox for multiple experiments on mass psychology.
Only real advancement would be what Elon musk is working on.