/lit/ - Literature

[Anonymous No.13385703]

So...what exactly is wrong with capitalism? Besides the fact that commies resent the rich and hard work. Why do commies feel entitled ti get gibs from big gubment? Self interest, individualism, will to power, etc is all in our nature and denying that is life denying. Affirming capital is affirming life, communism/socialism/social democracy are the systems of the Last Man. Nietzsche would have been an ancap.

[Anonymous No.13385756]

>>13385703
Communism is about satisfaction of needs of commune, it's not an antonym of capitalism

[Anonymous No.13385767]

>>13385703
>Nietzsche would have been an ancap.
Great bait m8

[Anonymous No.13385772]

>>13385703
>Affirming capital is affirming life
Idiocy.

[Anonymous No.13385778]

>>13385703
>communism/socialism/social democracy are the systems of the Last Man.

lol, look around you, what do you see?

[Anonymous No.13385780]

Capitalism is what drives mass immigration.

[Anonymous No.13385784]

>>13385703
It’s not the hard work. It’s the easy work. Usury and interest means people can make money without doing any work. It’s believing that money can create more money which doesn’t make any sense. Only labor can create more value. It’s not sustainable.

I’m not against capitalism, just interest, usury, and the fed. A govt should control its own money, not borrow it from another institution (with interest!)

[Anonymous No.13385788]

>>13385780
This. Capitalism also drives the homogenization of culture and a culture ruled by the masses. The precise opposite of Nietzschean

[Anonymous No.13385794]

>>13385703
>Nietzsche would have been an ancap.
He probably would have been for some hybrid between ancap and fascism.

[Anonymous No.13385796]

>>13385794
Sophomoric reading of nietzsche

[Anonymous No.13385798]

>>13385780
This is, indeed, a sordid portion of capitalism.

[Anonymous No.13385808]

>>13385780
This.
NAZBOL GANG

[Anonymous No.13385821]

>>13385703
The main problem with capitalism is that it divorces the elites from any connection to the land and people that they rule. There is feudal contract, no social contract, no tribal kinship, and no religious brotherhood. There is nothing to moderate the worst excesses of human nature. Simply put, a society based on unfettered capitalism is a society without the social ties that make a society.

[Anonymous No.13385830]

>>13385821
Meant there is no feudal contract

[Anonymous No.13385841]

>>13385821
based & monarchypilled

[Anonymous No.13385842]

It is inevitable that 20% of actors will possess 80% of assets. Any system that opposes this inevitability is flawed.

[Anonymous No.13385843]

>>13385703
>>13385796
Capitalists don’t give a shit about the planet or anything outside of humanity. The planet is getting beat up fierce right now and an overman would know his virtues should change based on the state of things.
He would definitely be ecofascist right now.

[Anonymous No.13385849]

>>13385843
You don't know übermensch means

[Anonymous No.13385868]

>>13385703
capitalism is good. money gives us more freedom of action in the material realm.

Disagree, Nietzsche would be a minarchist not ancap.

[Anonymous No.13385881]

>gibs
This is up there with "virtue signaling" as one of the great right wing retard tells of all time.

[Anonymous No.13385889]

>>13385843
Ancaps are environmentally friendly though.

[Anonymous No.13385907]

>Why do commies feel entitled ti get gibs from big gubment?
Communism is stateless, there is no government in Marxism

[Anonymous No.13385915]

Because capitalism believes in setting prices on everything, including things which are fundamentally priceless. As the old saying goes, capitalism knows the price of everything and the value of nothing.

[Anonymous No.13385917]

>>13385889
How so?

[Anonymous No.13385930]

>>13385907
*ahem*
Soviet Union, North Korea, China

[Anonymous No.13385935]

>>13385703

[Anonymous No.13385950]

>>13385930
Marx defined communism as a stateless, moneyless, classless society. If they don't meet that definition then they're not communist in the Marxist sense.

[Anonymous No.13385962]

>>13385917
Somebody else's pollution crossing onto your property is a violation of the NAP and gives you the right to destroy their coal power plant with a recreational McNuke. This is why nuclear energy is the the ancap's energy of choice(that, and they need a lot of nuke plants for making all of their McNukes).

[Anonymous No.13386041]

>>13385962
Oh so as long as they only cut down their own trees for the coal plant and pollute the lake on their own property then there isn’t a problem.
In you’re example environmentalism would be some side effect of ancap but it should really be a core tenet.

[Anonymous No.13386063]

>>13386041
>it should really be a core tenet.
That's how you end up with people unironically trying to wipe out humanity.

[Anonymous No.13386207]

>>13385841
While I do find myself leaning heavily towards monarchy, I can see other avenues towards achieving the same goal. For instance, before the Texas based Maxxam corporation engaged in a hostile take over of the Pacific Lumber Company and began clear cutting vast swatch of land, the Pacific Lumber Company was one of the largest employers and land owners in Northern California for nearly a century and never had an issue with mass clear cutting and deforestation. The Murphy family, which had started the company in 1863 and controlled it for most of its existence, lived near the countless people they employed, created entire towns around their mills and were connected to the Northern Californian communities. This sort of quasi-feudal relationship between a company and the people that depend upon it didn't require monarchy it just required a localist mindset.

[Anonymous No.13386211]

Gold is not straw or bread

[Anonymous No.13386283]

>>13385703
capitalism only works if everybody is a capitalist
it denies that more than one valid way to live exists, and procedurally eradicates anybody who refuses to change their way of life to conform with capitalist values

[Anonymous No.13386525]

>>13386283

This isn't true. It's completely legal to run whatever enterprise yoyu like in a socialist way under capitalism. You'll probs fail, becuase socialism is shit, but you're allowed to do it.

If you try to be a capitalist in a socialist state you get either imprisoned or killed.

[Anonymous No.13386650]

>>13385703
>Nietzsche would have been an ancap.
So why wasn't he?

[Anonymous No.13387206]

>>13386525
>it's completely legal to run whatever enterprise yoyu like in a socialist way under capitalism
You mean it's legal to run around expropriating the property of the bourgeoisie and implement worker self-management against the will of the management of private firms? Oh boy! This is sweet!

[Anonymous No.13387238]

>>13385703
>give the mass population that can barely take care of themselves more tools to fuck themselves
Retarded
>individualism
Spook

[Anonymous No.13387239]

>>13387206

No, that would be a felony you mongoloid, much in the same way if enterprises started arbitrarily taking property from other people.

[Anonymous No.13387243]

>>13387239
Oh so it's not completely legal to run whatever enterprise you like in a socialist way under capitalism? You just told me that it was. It's hard to have a serious discussion with you when you don't seem to care about being consistent.

[Anonymous No.13387274]

>>13387243

a) I’m not the poster you were talking to.

b) You are an idiot for thinking that socialism consists in forcefully taking other people’s property. The only reason why that’s a leitmotif within leftist governments is because leftists are usually as stupid as the people they hate from «the right», and don’t have any logical, sustainable methods of practicing their beliefs. Socialism could very well be practiced by owners relinquishing their properties, enterprises or otherwise.

[Anonymous No.13387295]

how many posters in the this thread have read The Grapes of Wrath? This thread almost literally reads like the intermediary chapters

[Anonymous No.13387332]

>>13387238
we arent africans

>spook
some one who obviously has not read the ego and its own

[Anonymous No.13387336]

>>13385703
Have you considered that for most communism is in their self interest and more individualistic than a hierarchal system where the lucky thrive?

[Anonymous No.13387343]

>>13385930
Marxist

[Anonymous No.13387350]

>>13387295
>learns political theory by reading fiction
You are literally same as Ayn Rand fans

[Anonymous No.13387354]

>>13385930
You should added ">inb4 they are not true marxist countries"

[Anonymous No.13387373]

>>13387354
Adding inb4 doesnt make you right, if you knew history youd know that none of those countries even claimed to be Marxist, USSR was leninist under Lenin. Stalin claimed to be "Marxist-Leninist" to get clout from namedropping and proceeded to follow about 0 policies of Marxism. In your opinion was the USSR under stalin democratic? If the answer is no, then its not marxist. Use your brain

[Anonymous No.13387401]

>>13387373
Well that is the point of view. Actually one country is not what it would expect. Unlike USSR or NK, China seems to be runned and ruined by single person - Mao.
I'm pretty sure you will never defend Cultural revolution. During Mao Zedong's term, when do you think the turning point is seen as a complete abandonment of Marxism?

[Anonymous No.13387504]

>>13387401
Well different time periods really, Stalin ran and ruined the USSR just as lenin did before him and NK has a dynasty where Kim Il-Sung and Kim Jong Il are eternal presidents. Ill be honest Im not too familiar with China's recent history didnt Mao claim to be Marxist-Leninist from the beginning just like Stalin? Id say from then

[Anonymous No.13387522]

>>13387274
>b) You are an idiot for thinking that socialism consists in forcefully taking other people’s property
You really should try reading a book sometime.

[Anonymous No.13387527]

>>13387373
>In your opinion was the USSR under stalin democratic
lol bitch

[Anonymous No.13387531]

It's the natural lot of the weaklings in life to suffer what they must. Socialism is truly the last stand of the last men.

[Anonymous No.13387535]

Absolutely nothing is wrong with capitalism.

[Anonymous No.13387541]

Nice Strawman. Look up what surplus value is and then we can talk.

[Anonymous No.13387551]

>>13387332
Neo Feudalism is fine, it introduces hierarchy and an established warrior class
No trade between communities, no money, every Male is conscripted. Military communities can have minor trades for technology kind of things. Overseeing government builds and mandates factories in communities, 100% profit to government and community over 1k ppl

[Anonymous No.13387558]

>>13387551
And no community over 1k ppl*

[Anonymous No.13387573]

>>13387551
>Neo Feudalism is fine, it introduces hierarchy and an established warrior class
We already have those things.

[Anonymous No.13387586]

>Hard work
Nothing is more annoying than capitalists claiming a monopoly over hard work. When the picture of Jeff Bezos in his run-down garage went viral everybody was praising him as a hard worker, as if his work in bringing about Amazon is any more noble or conscientious than the work of the millions of his employees, managers, accountants, lawyers, computer programmers, engineers, builders, labourers, sales managers, financial advisors, etc.
Jeff Bezos' "hard work" would amount to nothing if it were not for his workforce, yet for some reason capitalists think he is justified in taking the profits of his workforce all for himself and doing with them whatever he pleases.
Capitalists call those in the lower rungs of society leeches and moochers but they say nothing of those bourgeois business owners who sail in their yacht all day while their bank account fills up from the labour that their WORKFORCE exerts.
If the workers willed it they could rise up and count the fruit of their labour as their own and do with it as they please. That is the essence of Marxism.
>resent the rich
The rich are just a product of the capitalist system under which we live. When counted as a group we can say that they have a decidedly negative influence on the world. However the individual rich person is not to be excoriated; rather we should direct our sights towards the oppressive capitalist system of which they are a product.
>Why do commies feel entitled ti get gibs from big gubment?
Communism implies a stateless society, so I'm not sure where you're getting that from. As for "getting gibs": Marxism has always been for the workers, who do work, not get gibs.
>social democracy
Social democracy is capitalism. It is probably the best form of capitalism in that it promotes social mobility and egalitarianism but it is capitalism nonetheless.

[Anonymous No.13387693]

>>13385703
>So...what exactly is wrong with capitalism?
The problem is (usually) never any structure. It's human behaviour what fucks it up. Communism doesn't work because
1) It's not natural, so it requires revolution, which requires a power structure, which the leader don't want to give up and then they abuse their power
2) Useless management type people do nothing and reap more rewards because of this

Capitalism works becasue it forces everyone to make their own way with somewhat fair payment for work.

The problems with it is:
1) Some people have higher skills AND have the trait of seeing money for money's sake as a goal. This creates a power inbalance which can be exploited.
2) Administration sprawls out of control in business and creates a place for useless weasel middle managements to get higher paying jobs than the useful workforce whilst doing nothing (sound famaliar?)
3) The useful workforce wants money so they look become middle management. They've now lost a useful worker and gain a likely shit manager becasue it's someone who is use to working and not managing.
4) The power inbalance gives the powerful so much spare money that they end up spending it in ways that promote cheating the capitalist ideal of working hard for you money
(for example paying instragram thots, models, actors(Some actors are genuinly good but they're all overpaid for the work and a lot are just there becasue they're goodlooking),)

So basically hopefully you can see the problem isn't a economic system, the problem is a power difference which appears to be inevitable in humanity (and other forms of being) and this makes most people unhappy except from a few.

It'll all be fine economically when we have AI to do manual labour, and then if we don't retreat into VR, we'll be so bored that we'll have decend into a highly hedonisitic lifestyle. That's the ones who haven't been slaugthered/starved from the transition of the system from human workers to robot workers atleast.

[Anonymous No.13387694]

>>13387586
>Jeff Bezos' "hard work" would amount to nothing if it were not for his workforce
If Jeff Bezos were to suddenly die of a heart attack, Amazon would be totally fucked. That is how it is with every hierarchical structure. When the top dies, the rest collapses into chaos, until someone of equal or greater influence steps in. You vastly underestimate the importance of the top.

[Anonymous No.13387704]

>>13387694
No, it wouldn't. There are plenty successful workers co-operatives where the workers don't hand over the products of their labour to some oligarch at the top.

[Anonymous No.13387718]

>>13387704
Any as successful as Amazon?

[Anonymous No.13387725]

>>13387718
China

[Anonymous No.13387748]

>>13387725
>comparing a nation to a corporation instead of a Chinese corporation like Alibaba
Also, how are Chinese workers not "handing over the products of their labour to some oligarch at the top"?

[Anonymous No.13387781]

>>13385703
Someone has more than me and that is not fair so capitalism is broken.

I don't want to work I just want to sit around and play video games so capitalism is broken.

[Anonymous No.13387790]

>>13387781
This is sadly the view of many people today. Very sad!

[Anonymous No.13387830]

>>13385841
You only need 2 letters and 1 number to btfo monarcucks:
WW1

Any system which coexists with large capital will inevitably be influenced, if not dominated, by it.
Any system which tries to fight large capital (at least, directly) will lose either to itself or to other systems.

[Anonymous No.13387871]

>>13387718
That's not a fair question. Amazon is one of the largest corporations in history. Worker co-ops are are not very common but here you can read about this one:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coop_Norge

[Anonymous No.13387930]

>>13387871
How isn't it fair to point out that one of the most successful hierarchical structures in history doesn't agree with your assertion?

[Anonymous No.13387939]

>>13387930
Co-ops run by workers don't have the same objectives as Amazon and there is no reason that they should. Their success cannot be measured by the same metrics.

[Anonymous No.13387959]

>>13387939
The world cares less about the products of your co-ops than it does about the products of corporations like Amazon, which means Amazon is the more powerful structure. That's all that matters.

[Anonymous No.13387971]

>>13385703
Capitalism destroys tradition, alienates the worker, strengthens hierarchy, accelerates degeneracy, consumes every value into capital, makes simulations of solutions to real needs that are not satisfied and in fact worsened by capitalisms mechanism.

>Muh BNP
Only people whos only value is capital will find capitalism useful because capitalism overrides all other values.

So no matter if you are conservative, humanist-liberal or socialist capitalism, will fuck you in the ass without lube.

[Anonymous No.13387977]

>>13387971
by useful I mean "not ultimately against their interest"

[Anonymous No.13387987]

>>13385703
The problem is that you imagine "Capitalism" as a young entrepreneur starting a business in his garage, instead of the rootless cosmopolitan elite controlling finance, media and culture.
Somebody will control the economy, and I'd rather it be a government that is at least somewhat beholdend to its citizens instead of a company that ,in a best case scenario, only cares about profits, and, in the worst case, actively works against the average person. Basically every corporation supports unlimited immigration (cheap labor, more potential customers in the country), LGBT-stuff (better consumers, docile & sex-obsessed citizenry), etc.
If you had an "AnCap" society, what makes you think that corporations won't become the new "government", just a lot more tyrannical & rootless. Just recently, I read an article about Bank of America no longer doing business with any company that is somehow connected to detention centers or prisons. Others have suggested that e.g. Visa & Mastercard could just refuse to do business with gun-sellers. Google & other social media companies have "cured their content" to try to limit the visibility of right-wing individuals to prevent another Trump...
We need a strong government that reigns in companies with this amount of power, by either splitting them up, nationalizing them or, at the very least, have very strict regulations.

[Anonymous No.13387990]

there is nothing more pathetic than ancaps and libertards trying to claim Nietzsche

[Anonymous No.13388000]

>>13387959
>That's all that matters.
In your mind, maybe. But frankly I don't value your opinion very much, and I don't think many other people do, either. Amazon is important and powerful and big, yes. So what?

[Anonymous No.13388017]

>>13387977
ultimately against their interest*
FUCK I need to EAT something!

[Anonymous No.13388021]

>>13388017
no, wait, fuck, ok, food, i, neeeeeed, foood.. bye

[Anonymous No.13388030]

>>13387959
>>13387930
>WHY IN A CAPITALIST SYSTEM ARE THE LARGEST CORPORATIONS RUN LIKE CAPITALIST CORPORATIONS
Damn idk dude. Why in the USSR were the largest corporations NOT run like capitalist corporations? Could it have something to do with the fact that the USSR WASN'T CAPITALIST?

[Anonymous No.13388058]

Laissez nous faire faggots

[Anonymous No.13388066]

>>13387987
That we can blame on the mixed economy and interventionism

[Anonymous No.13388068]

>>13387987
This is your brain, or what is possibly left of it, on socialism.

[Anonymous No.13388075]

>>13385703

[Anonymous No.13388081]

>>13387971
>Capitalism destroys tradition, alienates the worker, strengthens hierarchy, accelerates degeneracy, consumes every value into capital, makes simulations of solutions to real needs that are not satisfied and in fact worsened by capitalism mechanism
And yet humanity flourishes under capitalism, whereas it devolves into nothing under socialism.

You are essentially blaming government intervention rather than capitalism. You don't even know what you are trying to critique.

[Anonymous No.13388095]

>>13388058
>rand
cringe

[Anonymous No.13388103]

>>13388000
>In your mind, maybe.
No, in history as well. What is more powerful has the bigger influence on its environment.

>>13388030
Why did capitalism out live the USSR?

[Anonymous No.13388110]

>>13388103
>>13388081
>>13388068
none of you have ever read a book, i bet

[Anonymous No.13388120]

>>13388110
The sole reason I am so against socialism and those who subscribe to the murderous ideology is because I have read books.

[Anonymous No.13388127]

>>13388120
This has to be b8, this and the Randposting

[Anonymous No.13388131]

>>13388081
Capitalism destroys tradition too mate, my critique was as traditionalist in nature as it was socialist.

There are more important things in life than commodities, but capitalism makes everything into commodities.

[Anonymous No.13388139]

Brainlet here
I feel like capitalism makes the world feel like a tournament and results in destructive behavior towards yourself and others.

[Anonymous No.13388140]

>>13388120
Ludwig von Mises is based

[« Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ » !mxvabIoSIE No.13388142]

>>13385703
>NEET. Never worked a day in his life
>whats wrong with capitalism gaise? Lol

[Anonymous No.13388143]

>>13388131 here
>>13388120

Even if you ultimately are more in favor of capitalism than the alternatives, you still need to see that it has problems that are really worth critiquing - else you just come across like an asshat like you are right now...

[« Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ » !mxvabIoSIE No.13388147]

>>13388140
>Ludwig von Mises is based on fish paste and chum

[Anonymous No.13388154]

>>13388120
>>13388103
>>13388081
>>13388068

[Anonymous No.13388201]

>>13385703
capitalism is the reason YA is a thing, it's the reason cape shit exists, it's the reason music is so distilled

[Anonymous No.13388216]

>>13388127
Not him, but workers' ownership of production only makes sense in more primitive technological states. When you have products that require workers of a dozen+ different specializations, it no longer makes any sense. Each individual worker no longer necessarily knows how to use the product, because they only crafted one part of it. At that point, the one who specializes in the end product itself becomes the one who knows how to use it, or how to get it to those who do.

>>13388143
I don't think anyone is arguing that capitalism is perfect. A perfect system doesn't exist though, and never will.

[Anonymous No.13388219]

I didn't ask for your faggot input

[Anonymous No.13388221]

>>13388216
That doesn't even begin to make sense

[Anonymous No.13388223]

>>13387573
No we don't, we don't reject money by populace or any of those things. Human (or civil) right is a myth and downward trail

[Anonymous No.13388235]

>>13388223
>No we don't, we don't reject money by populace or any of those things.
The meaning of this sentence is very unclear.
>Human (or civil) right is a myth and downward trail
Oh boy.

[Anonymous No.13388241]

>>13388221
What doesn't make sense there?

[« Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ » !mxvabIoSIE No.13388245]

>>13388219
1. I didn’t ask for your shit off topic thread
2. I give my comments for free
3. Get a fucking job, lazy shit.

[Anonymous No.13388250]

>>13388245

[Anonymous No.13388251]

>>13385703
It’s because capitalism and communism are based in the material. Each leads to the same conclusion, the degeneration of the species from a higher consciousness.

[Anonymous No.13388520]

>>13388250
Saved for future anti butterfaggot purposes

[Anonymous No.13388573]

>>13385917
No roads=no cars dummy.

[Anonymous No.13388596]

>>13388140
It's a shame he, among others, are not viewed upon as they should. Giants among men.

>>13388143
The argument was never and will never be that there is a perfect solution to anything. Everything you do in life is a trade off, no perfect solution exists to any one problem, just one or multiple trade offs.

[Anonymous No.13388616]

>>13388596
Why does anon then say this:
>>13388081
>humanity flourishes under capitalism
This is quite a bold claim tbqh

[Anonymous No.13388622]

>>13388120
Fixed

[« Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ » !mxvabIoSIE No.13388645]

>>13388622
Good fix

[Anonymous No.13388660]

>>13388622
People cooperate under capitalism though, so what is the meaning and purpose of social cooperation here?

[Anonymous No.13388712]

>>13388645
I love you :3

[Anonymous No.13388722]

>>13388235
Wow ure stupid

[Anonymous No.13388728]

>>13388660
There's a huge power discrepancy between employer and employee. It's been getting better recently but there were times in the past where companies literally sent out militias to massacre union protesters.

[Anonymous No.13388739]

sure is literature in here

[Anonymous No.13388743]

>>13388660
>competition
>cooperation

[Anonymous No.13388746]

you're a cuck if you think the rich struggle. the rich are underdeveloped mutants who sit on a pile of money while millions of able bodied people work, suffer, and die without having lived anything close to meaningful lives because of the way our class system is structured.

im not saying communism is the answer but capitalism is neither moral nor Nature

[Anonymous No.13388758]

>>13388728
>there were times in the past where companies literally sent out militias to massacre union protesters.
Any big incidents to read about? Curious about this.

[Anonymous No.13388761]

>>13388712
not me

[Anonymous No.13388764]

>>13388746
But isn't it comforting to think one day there is a .000000000000000000000000001% chance you might be one of those mutants?

[Anonymous No.13388805]

>>13388746
99.9% of humanity are underdeveloped mutants. It's not exclusive to the rich, they just stand out for you more because you aren't rich. You also probably don't see how incredibly stupid most able-bodied people are, making them underdeveloped in another sense entirely.

[Anonymous No.13389131]

>>13385821
Except feudalism, monarchism and sovialism were exactly what you describe. Elites being out of touvh has been an issue since centuries before David Ricardo and Adam Smith wrote about economics.

[Anonymous No.13389240]

>>13388120
I've read books to and they told me ur a massive faggot

[Anonymous No.13389250]

>>13388251
This is why Marianne Williamson is the preferred candidate of /lit/

[Anonymous No.13389296]

>>13387350
>learns political theory through nonfiction rather than deriving it himself through thought provoked by figurative devices employed by authors in works of fiction

[Anonymous No.13389308]

>>13388739
Exactly. How is thread allowed?

[Anonymous No.13389341]

>>13388616
Compare the time under capitalism to any other period or any capitalist country to socialist ones.

[Anonymous No.13389454]

>>13388520
based

[Anonymous No.13390160]

>>13388245
I love you butterfly, please step on my dick :')

[Anonymous No.13390171]

>>13389341
There's lots of times in history where people had food and shelter, what's your point?

[Anonymous No.13390189]

>>13390171here
Remember I didn't argue for socialism per se, but as always you brainlets are partisan NPCs filled with nothing but talking points and thus you plainly assume my position.

[Anonymous No.13390212]

>>13385703
>marketing model that is built around boxing people into demographics in order to sell them products, your entire identity is being tracked and has reduced you to a set of nouns
>ruthless lust for efficiency at the cost of people's personal lives
>grossly inefficient model of production forces third world countries to be plantations for western industry giants to produce hyper inflated goods to sell to [insert demographic here]
>Belle Delphine is making millions for making a stupid anime face
>progressively losing touch more and more with democracy and will probably just end up as an autocratic feudalism successor as land barons buy up every rentable space and suffocate out people who can't afford their rent hikes
man I couldn't even begin to think of problems with capitalism lmao not a single thing comes to mind

[The Nomad !N8Yn.I/WbM No.13390244]

>>13390212
>literally class consciousness
Inefficient how? And giving people jobs is not bad, no matter much you make it seem so. And they are not hyper inflated, else people would not buy them.

And who are you to tell people that she is wrong? People buy into her, so she is providing a service to many that they enjoy.

>wah doom and gloom
Fuck off

[Anonymous No.13390249]

>>13390244
>slavery was fine because those slaves were employed xD
how does it feel being a cuck to some landlord?

[The Nomad !N8Yn.I/WbM No.13390254]

>>13388746
Define meaningful
And clearly you’ve never had people trying to get close to you just trying to get close to your money

[The Nomad !N8Yn.I/WbM No.13390260]

>>13390249
Slavery is not a job. Job implies some reward or purpose for performing said job. I doubt the Vietnamese are discontent with billions of dollars in western money coming in.
Project your duck fantasies elsewhere.

[Anonymous No.13390268]

Millions die every year from easily preventable means

[The Nomad !N8Yn.I/WbM No.13390271]

>>13390268
Is that number going up or down, in accordance with population growth?

[Anonymous No.13390291]

>>13390260
well when your rent gets hiked up to the point you have to set up in a tent city somewhere downtown i sure hope youll be glad Mr Bezos is willing to pay you 2 cents an hour and beat you every time you go the bathroom because at least youre employed lmao what a perfect system

[Anonymous No.13390293]

>>13390260
Slaves get food and avoid the whip when doing their job ;)

[The Nomad !N8Yn.I/WbM No.13390298]

>>13390291
Move then jackass
Switch jobs
Don’t pretend you don’t have options

[Anonymous No.13390313]

>>13390298
lmao move to where the other cities that are going through this same massive inflation in cost of living? Or to the destitute towns that will never recover from the GFC? what job do I switch to? what if im trained in a specific field that has become redundant and i want to work in something that wont be automated in the next 20 minutes and that obligates me to go back to schooling which is insanely expensive and time consuming. You have options, and they're extremely limited, and they're only getting smaller by the day im glad someones enjoying this stagnation enough to justify it unironically lmao

[Anonymous No.13390318]

>>13390268
You mean millions are born that never should have existed.

[The Nomad !N8Yn.I/WbM No.13390351]

>>13390313
Destitute is rather harsh. Almost as if you have never been to the suburbs or rural areas.
Whatever job you feel like and have the qualifications for. There are millions out there even if you don’t have a degree.
>muh automation meme
Most of what is getting automated are manufacturing jobs, which take a huge hit during recessions, unlike service jobs (which are not really getting automated away anyway, the workers are simply getting moved to other positions I.e. Walmart).
Expensive because of government overreach and interventionism, not capitalism. Go to a trade school or start a business. Don’t act like these are “extremely limited”. Millions of people do these things. Quit acting like a doomer and stop jacking off to big daddy government.

[Anonymous No.13390404]

>>13390351
>muh corporations solve everything thanks daddy bezos for forcing me into slavery so i can pay off my student loan debt that wasn't at all influenced by market factors it was all somehow the government's fault that it's expensive lmao, the government simply made it more expensive -for some reason- that's not clear but it was definitely the government not the natural forces of supply and demand which are completely fair how's that rent payment coming along? Oh you're not gonna be able to pay it? well it must be because the government made it more expensive and not because of supply and demand, which is always fair of course. why dont you move to the suburbs and live in an identical house with the other boomers who can't afford to live anywhere else as progressively these areas become more and more infrastructurally poor as the wealth relocates to the inner city? Oh you don't have enough money to afford a car? Well don't worry a loan can help with that, oh you're now paying massively inflated rent, a car repayment, and your student loans, but hey just pull yourself up by your bootstraps champ and get a 4th job.
Also automation is affecting everything, there are jobs that previously used entire teams that have been reduced to a single person thanks to automation and this obsession with cost cutting in modern business, it's not simply low skilled employment that's affected by it it's almost every area of work that's being impacted and it's producing less and less jobs every year. In the early 20th century, when capitalism wasn't just glorified serfdom, a new business would contribute thousands of jobs to an area, these days it's lucky if that new startup employees hundreds of people, and even then you'll be outcompeted by people who simply have better connections, and resources. Face it this system is a fucking mess and there isn't a single thing within the market designed to help people, the only thing standing between capitalism eating itself alive as everyone jumps to fascism and socialism to feel like there is some hope for the future is big daddy government stepping in and making it fairer. Otherwise capitalism is going to keep getting worse and worse

[Anonymous No.13390438]

>>13390244
Inefficient as in whatever is produced is made to be sold, and if its not sold its thrown away. Look in your local supermarkets dumpster sometime, youll find hundreds of loaves of bread and buckets of oranges while people starve. The system requires a pool of unemployed people to compete for lower wages among many other things

[Anonymous No.13390444]

>>13387243
>>13387243

He isn't me.

It's legal to run YOUR OWN property by socialist principle. You're not allowed to trample on people's human rights by running THEIR property in a socialist way. Anfd that's completely fair.

[The Nomad !N8Yn.I/WbM No.13390517]

>>13390404
>student loan debt that wasn't at all influenced by market factors
When did I ever say that?
>the government simply made it more expensive -for some reason- that's not clear
>what are federal student loans
>how's that rent payment coming along? Oh you're not gonna be able to pay it? well it must be because the government made it more expensive and not because of supply and demand, which is always fair of course
>what are rent controls, building regulations, zoning regulations, property taxes, etc.
>why dont you move to the suburbs and live in an identical house with the other boomers
t. Never been to the suburbs and prentends that what a house looks like on the outside matters and that you have no control over what it looks like on the inside
>who can't afford to live anywhere else as progressively these areas become more and more infrastructurally poor as the wealth relocates to the inner city?
Proof?
>Oh you don't have enough money to afford a car? Well don't worry a loan can help with that, oh you're now paying massively inflated rent, a car repayment, and your student loans, but hey just pull yourself up by your bootstraps champ and get a 4th job.
who touched you anon? Who does this ever happen to? What a ridiculous hypothetical.
>Also automation is affecting everything, there are jobs that previously used entire teams that have been reduced to a single person thanks to automation and this obsession with cost cutting in modern business, it's not simply low skilled employment that's affected by it it's almost every area of work that's being impacted and it's producing less and less jobs every year.
Proof? Because we have been producing more jobs than ever and the metrics that we use to measure employment are almost all better than ever.
>In the early 20th century, when capitalism wasn't just glorified serfdom, a new business would contribute thousands of jobs to an area, these days it's lucky if that new startup employees hundreds of people
Make more startups then
>and even then you'll be outcompeted by people who simply have better connections, and resources
So businesses better equipped to meet the demand of the populace survive and do better than those who do not? Holy fucking shit, what an absolutely astonishing revelation.
>Face it this system is a fucking mess and there isn't a single thing within the market designed to help people
You mean literally every product ever produced? You think the fucking mop companies are trying to screw over consumers by making shitty mops, and aren’t trying to help people at least a little? And if they didn’t, that they would stay in business for any length of time and they would invariably be competed away?
>the only thing standing between capitalism eating itself alive as everyone jumps to fascism and socialism to feel like there is some hope for the future is big daddy government stepping in and making it fairer.
Fairer for whom? Oh wow, MORE money in the fire pit of gov. debt.

[The Nomad !N8Yn.I/WbM No.13390527]

>>13390438
>Inefficient as in whatever is produced is made to be sold, and if its not sold its thrown away. Look in your local supermarkets dumpster sometime, youll find hundreds of loaves of bread and buckets of oranges while people starve.
Then people would just wait until the food became free to get it and everyone goes out of business and no one has money for anything.

[Anonymous No.13390652]

>>13390517
>muh big business will solve everything just as long as the government doesn't get in their way
Government intervention in the college market didn't shift it into being enormously expensive, European universities are far cheaper than American ones with their far more intensive regulation, the fact of the matter is that there are more people competing for fewer places than before and that's sending prices skyrocketing as universities can charge more and more without a care for how few people are able to access it now the same goes for rent, including rent controls is one of the last bastions of security people living in the city have before yet another yuppie rich kid comes in and takes their apartment and cranks the rent up to whatever it is they feel like because someone will pay it
also the proof the suburbs are getting shitter and more unsustainable
https://www.governing.com/columns/urban-notebook/gov-cities-suburbs-income.html
and yes while it is true that job creation is happening constantly typically those jobs are lower income and casual work which necessitates other employment in order to meet basic income needs and automation is a major contributor to wage depression which necessitates people taking on additional casual work effectively facilitating this artificial "job creation"
https://www.nber.org/papers/w23285
You're also weirdly taking the side of the big daddy government on their job creation statistics even though this is an area where the government notoriously moves about data to get the information it wants neglecting to elaborate on whether jobs created are casual, or fulltime work and in the modern world, it's casual. It's a lot easier to say we employee 20 people who all work for bits and pieces of hours in Walmart for pennies instead of employing less people fulltime and paying them liveable wages. You're living in an Ayn Rand fantasy that isn't legitimate and it's sending more and more people into political radicalism which is going to disrupt capitalism one way or another

[Anonymous No.13390666]

>>13390527
>donating food to alleviate people's hunger isn't good for business so we let them starve instead
man this system sounds really sustainable I don't think anyone would have issues with starving to death while a whole bin full of oranges sits there behind a lock

[Anonymous No.13390680]

>>13390527
just like how no one buys bottled water because you could just get it free from the tap?
moron

[Anonymous No.13390726]

>>13390527
Now do you see the problem with producing for profit instead of to fill a need? Read your answer ya dip

[Anonymous No.13390728]

>>13385703
A modern Mercantilist USA, my form of modern mercantilism, would be better because wages would be higher, job requirements would be lower, employers would be forced to be more willing to train employees themselves thus decreasing the "need" for college and trade school, US would be more powerful by default, shit hole countries like China, India, Mexico, etc would be put back into peasantry where they belong, and people would still be able to be rich. One of the capitalist critcisms of Mercantilism was that trade is not a zero sum game but that has been proven false. Sorry Adam Smith,trade has proven to be much closer to being a zero sum game in terms of nation to nation trade than not being a zero sum game. Notice how the people who claim to say Mercantilism doesn’t work and capitalism is what made America great LOVE the two negative parts of Mercantilism – subsidies and limiting wages. USA became no1 from Europe being in ruins after WW2 and the USA exporting industry to China has weakened the USA, lowered wages, which is proof of Mercantilism being right and Capitalists being wrong.
deport all illegals and visa workers and indefinitely halt all future immigration. It would raise wages and lower the cost of housing, especially in places that need it the most like big cities.
The labor shortage or skills gap myth is propaganda that is pushed so companies can keep importing workers who work for less and have lower work standards. Something that I never see mentioned about immigrant workers is that they have lower work standards, an actual citizen can tell their employer to fuck off, visa worker has to work 16 hours a day if they are told.
AI and automation is supposed to remove tens of millions of jobs from the market in a few years, self driving cars alone are supposed to remove millions from the US market. Every extra person you bring in is going to make the damage done by automation that much worse than it has to be.
Most big cities would have a $15+ minimum wage due to supply and demand if my deportation and immigrant halting happened. Would corporate cock suckers bitch about the minimum wage being $15+ due to supply and demand with no minimum wage law increase? Of course they would! Wages are already depressed yet they are lobbying for immigrants and visa workers.
I hear conservatives say wages have to stay depressed so we can remain "competitive with places like China and India, the only reason those shit holes were able to get out of peasantry and become a threat is because the same people saying we need to keep wages depressed exported industry to China and India which gave them wealth and power and allowed them to become a threat. China now has the power to destroy the USA because the USA exported industry to them.
Mercantilist USA would have NEVER let China or any other country get better. Population might not be even half of what it is now too which would be more environmentally friendly than any other policy.

[The Nomad !N8Yn.I/WbM No.13390860]

>>13390680
You have to pay for water utilities retard
>>13390726
>I’m gonna take time and effort to produce this good for literally no reason other than it makes me a good person and I get literally nothing out of it
Ok retard sure that’s how people work
>>13390666
How do you transport the foods to people who need it? How do you make sure the people taking the food for free need it and aren’t just hoarding it? How do you figure out how much food to produce without prices? How can you combat corruption and demoralization at every point in this system?
>>13390652
>muh Europe
European countries don’t have 330 million people in each of their borders who consume nearly as much as we do.

>that's sending prices skyrocketing as universities can charge more and more without a care for how few people are able to access it
Wow thanks government loans
>including rent controls is one of the last bastions of security people living in the city have
this creates massive barriers to entry for other potential property investors who, seeing the supposed “price inflation”, would try to undercut the other landlords, making housing cheaper. But noooooooo, muh socialism.

>before yet another yuppie rich kid comes in and takes their apartment and cranks the rent up to whatever it is they feel like because someone will pay it
See the above
>gaining slightly less money means that they are getting shittier and unsustainable
Holy shit have you been to these places
>and yes while it is true that job creation is happening constantly typically those jobs are lower income and casual work which necessitates other employment in order to meet basic income needs
Which is why only 5 percent of them do?
>automation is a major contributor to wage depression which necessitates people taking on additional casual work effectively facilitating this artificial "job creation"
What is artificial about it? Jobs were made. Doesn’t matter if your smug ass thinks part-time or service jobs aren’t REAL jobs.
>You're also weirdly taking the side of the big daddy government on their job creation statistics even though this is an area where the government notoriously moves about data to get the information it wants neglecting to elaborate on whether jobs created are casual, or fulltime work and in the modern world, it's casual.
A job is a job, and if it is part-time, then so be it. I also love how you show flagrant distrust towards government statistics but think that they are somehow capable of planning an economy better than the market can. What dissonance.
It's a lot easier to say we employee 20 people who all work for bits and pieces of hours in Walmart for pennies instead of employing less people fulltime and paying them liveable wages.
>every job is Walmart
>working 2 part-time jobs (which almost never happens) is less valid than a full time job for some reason
Define liveable.

[Anonymous No.13390874]

>>13390652
>including rent controls is one of the last bastions of security people living in the city have
This is probably the most retarded thing I've read on here in a while.

Read any econ 101 book you absolute moron.

[Anonymous No.13390881]

>>13390351
>Almost as if you have never been to the suburbs or rural areas.
lmao yeah everything outside the city is a paradise
kill yourself

[Anonymous No.13390885]

>>13390444
>You're not allowed to trample on people's human rights by running THEIR property in a socialist way
Then socialism isn't allowed--because it involves expropriating the property of the bourgeoisie.

[The Nomad !N8Yn.I/WbM No.13390898]

>>13390881
>implying I was implying that
So this is the power of whatever ideology you are

[Anonymous No.13390971]

>>13385703
If you don't have a couple million+ dollars in an offshore account somewhere, and you think capitalism is better than socialism, then you're getting fucked up the ass by the upper class, and thanking them for it like a good little boy. Don't @ me.

[Anonymous No.13390988]

>>13385703
Garbage in garbage out is the only problem with capitalism.

[Anonymous No.13391006]

>>13390971
What if I like getting fucked in the ass

[Anonymous No.13391048]

>>13388081
You are basically saying "if x is so bad, then why status quo? Checkmate!" Come up with a real argument.

[Anonymous No.13391063]

>>13391048
No, I am saying mankind flourishes under capitalism and dies out under socialism.

[Anonymous No.13391065]

>>13388140
>A man who uses a non sequitur to discredit one system to push Capitalism is based

[Anonymous No.13391066]

>>13385703
Fuck off burger brainlet

[The Nomad !N8Yn.I/WbM No.13391133]

>>13391065
>implying all his work is just a string of non-sequiturs

[Anonymous No.13391172]

If dubs Pewdiepie has to do a video on Deanos

[Anonymous No.13391183]

>>13391133
Von Mises is a genius and I like him. I'm just saying that quote is retarded.

[Anonymous No.13391235]

>>13390860
>suburbanite detected
why are you so devastated your precious and completely wasteful suburbs are starting to decline in the same manner the inner city did in the mid 20th century?
And of course we have to support the property investors, not the people who need a leg up in order to survive in this ruthless economic climate, they should be kicked out so yet another gentrified bubble of wealth can be created for landlords to get rich off. Why should make it there are no rent controls and landlords can just charge everyone up the ass, relegate the poor to the shitty suburbs with far less opportunity, access to employment along with far more spread out, infrastructure which requires far more effort to maintain rather than the inner city, as well as being heavily car centric, which is an additional cost to add in to their lives now. Let's also just let people work 2 or 3 jobs which according to your sheltered ass almost never happens, when in reality you're relying entirely on government labour figures which are heavily skewed to show as good a figure as possible, and even then still it's 16 million people working two jobs. You clearly need to leave whatever bubble it is youre living in and actually witness what America looks like thanks to a complete lack of effort to control business.
In addition going "hurr muh europe is so fundamentally different from the US we could never possibly have a system like them" is just a complete cop out because the US very easily can have a system like Europe's it's just neoliberals like you make any excuses you can to prevent it from happening. It's always going to be an impossibility when the business elite is making cash hand over fist as American's, since the GFC, are increasingly getting poorer. You're not advocating for a system that will help people or prevent people from investing themselves in hardline political solutions, you're a person who wants capitalism to fail at all costs by making it completely unworkeable except for those at the very top.
In addition a liveable wage is a wage you can live on without needing benefits from the government which far too many americans are actually able to do considering 37 million of them live in households where a person works as well as receives welfare. You're advocating for a doomed system since the next crash is around the corner, whether you like it or not, and it's going to completely destroy people's faith in this austerity cost cutting nonsense you advocate for. You also haven't addressed the fact that wages are being suppressed by innovations in the market that you're sucking off as if they're the solution to everything, the US is definitely going in a worse direction every single day as long as this hardline, ruthless capitalism is being embraced, and it's sending more and more people away from your precious capitalism into the arms of alternatives which you have no solution for except "lmao what if we were even crueler to them?"

[Anonymous No.13391236]

>>13390652
>You're living in an Ayn Rand fantasy that isn't legitimate and it's sending more and more people into political radicalism which is going to disrupt capitalism one way or another
And? Us Objectivists have never cringed away from the notion of having enemies. Just as long as you don't try to pin that fallacious smear tag and anticoncept "extremism" on us we're perfectly content being identified as radicals. Laissez nous faire.

[Anonymous No.13391260]

>>13391236
what world do you live where you have "enemies?" Its just you justifying a horrible personality.

[Anonymous No.13391276]

>>13385703
The existence of women is the sole reason an individualist society will never ever work

[Anonymous No.13391283]

>>13385780
This
Fascist rise up
Not joking
Start killing politicians guys

[Anonymous No.13391289]

>>13391260
the virgin centrist vs the chad apolitical

[Anonymous No.13391309]

>>13391236
nigga im cringing away from you thats for sure

[Anonymous No.13391313]

>>13391283
I agree. Begin by bombing Amazon, Facebook, Twitter, Apple, and Microsoft headquarters, or if you're a moralfag who can't stomach the possibility of murdering innocents, target key executives and developers instead.

[Anonymous No.13391316]

Current capitalism is nothing but hyper inflated decadence, prove me wrong.

[Anonymous No.13391329]

>>13391260
Enemies of principle. Subjectivists, devotees to dis- and misintegration. They exist.
>filename
What? Rand identifies centrism as an equal anticoncept to extremism. She called it middle-of-the-road mentality. Tremendous non sequitur.

[Anonymous No.13391363]

>>13385703
the only complaint a person can possible have regarding any economic system is that it's distribution of resources aren't correct, based on whatever arbitrary criteria they decided to apply to it
when 90% of people were self-employed, capitalism was a way to a better life for the average man, as practically anyone and everyone could easily start a business, hire a few workers as they needed, and generally find success if they worked hard
it's not longer easy to start a new business, the markets in first world countries are extremely developed, to the point where there is very little room for any new businesses to find a niche in the market
capitalism is an excellent economic system for fresh markets, as it enables people to very quickly start and expand business
for stagnant (stable) markets though, it's not good because it's inherently restless, the management wants growth and/or profits like they had in earlier years and will attempt nearly anything to obtain it, with the company and it's employees at risk
this latest boeing fiasco with the 737 max is a great example of this, a very mature company pushing for more and more growth at the cost of their company, product, and employees (as they laid off many of the senior engineers who would have been developing the flawed software)
sometimes it's called a "race to the bottom"

[Anonymous No.13391373]

>>13385780
Wrong, degenration of philosophy drives it.

[The Nomad !N8Yn.I/WbM No.13391401]

>>13391235
>>13391235
>why are you so devastated your precious and completely wasteful suburbs are starting to decline in the same manner the inner city did in the mid 20th century?
Way to completely ignore everything I said to make assumptions.
>And of course we have to support the property investors, not the people who need a leg up in order to survive in this ruthless economic climate, they should be kicked out so yet another gentrified bubble of wealth can be created for landlords to get rich off.
>people who give other people jobs and cheaper housing by way of competition is not a net good for all but attempted monopolists
Woooooow.
>Why should make it there are no rent controls and landlords can just charge everyone up the ass
And then get forced out of the market by more generous landlords.
>relegate the poor to the shitty suburbs with far less opportunity
The suburbs have less poor than anywhere else.
access to employment along with far more spread out, infrastructure which requires far more effort to maintain rather than the inner city
Except that is it a lot cheaper, any guesses why that is?
>as well as being heavily car centric, which is an additional cost to add in to their lives now
Still cheaper than the big city
>Let's also just let people work 2 or 3 jobs
If that’s the best option, then cool. Who am I to tell them otherwise or punish others for?
>when in reality you're relying entirely on government labour figures which are heavily skewed to show as good a figure as possible
I like you ignored my last point about statistics and interventionism.
>and even then still it's 16 million people working two jobs.
Out of 330 million?
>You clearly need to leave whatever bubble it is youre living in and actually witness what America looks like thanks to a complete lack of effort to control business.
Have you heard of Teddy Roosevelt? And this implies business needs to be controlled, which you have not proven.
>In addition going "hurr muh europe is so fundamentally different from the US we could never possibly have a system like them" is just a complete cop out because the US very easily can have a system like Europe's it's just neoliberals like you make any excuses you can to prevent it from happening.
The sheer butthurt in this post
>It's always going to be an impossibility when the business elite is making cash hand over fist as American's, since the GFC, are increasingly getting poorer.
?
.

[Anonymous No.13391414]

>>13391401
what is your solution to the millions of people, because maybe out of 330 million it might not seem like enough but 16 million upset people is enough to sway any election, what is your solution to those left behind by your austerity advocacy? You consistently ignore the point that this only benefits the few, and that most americans would say their situation has gotten worse, hence the rise of populist figures like Trump and the resurgence of socialism. You act like everything is improving when it very visibly isn't and ignore how your position will fix it when it's very visibly driving people away from capitalism

[The Nomad !N8Yn.I/WbM No.13391416]

>>13391235
>You're not advocating for a system that will help people or prevent people from investing themselves in hardline political solutions, you're a person who wants capitalism to fail at all costs by making it completely unworkeable except for those at the very top.
>you don’t want government overreach, so you hate capitalism
What the hell even is your argument at this point?
>In addition a liveable wage is a wage you can live on without needing benefits from the government which far too many americans are actually able to do considering 37 million of them live in households where a person works as well as receives welfare.
Oh no so sad some people are using a system the way it was literally set up to be used. Welfare is not a substitute for work.
>You're advocating for a doomed system since the next crash is around the corner, whether you like it or not, and it's going to completely destroy people's faith in this austerity cost cutting nonsense you advocate for.
Let me guess, buy gold now for when the martians come and wipe us out?
Shut up with your doomer nonsense
>You also haven't addressed the fact that wages are being suppressed by innovations
No they’re not, prove it.
>in the market that you're sucking off as if they're the solution to everything, the US is definitely going in a worse direction every single day as long as this hardline, ruthless capitalism is being embraced
The market has done wonders for mankind. Are we going in a worse direction?

>and it's sending more and more people away from your precious capitalism into the arms of alternatives which you have no solution for except "lmao what if we were even crueler to them?"
Deregulation. What I said multiple times

[The Nomad !N8Yn.I/WbM No.13391422]

>>13391414
We don’t need a solution, working 40 hours in 2 part time jobs vs. 40 hours in a full time job is not an issue.

[Anonymous No.13391430]

>>13385703
Fucking kys boomer cuck

[Anonymous No.13391437]

>>13385950
So its not that Marxism has been applied and has failed, the argument is that Marxism cannot be applied in practicality.

[Anonymous No.13391438]

>>13391416
>Deregulation. What I said multiple times
how the fuck is deregulating things going to help anyone in additon I sent you a source ages ago you clearly didn't read or pay attention to addressing how automation is disrupting wages and suppressing them pay attention.
https://www.nber.org/papers/w23285
we are very visibly leaving numerous people behind and it's been this way since this heavy handed tactics with the population have been introduced, you advocate for more deregulation, more deregulation etc. When most people are being harmed by it. The states with the most deregulation such as Louisiana have massive healthcare issues and problems that the rest of the country doesn't have like higher rates of cancers and disruption to poor communities. You might be able to sit in your upper middle class suburb and talk about how great it would be if every corporation was able to behave with impunity, when in reality most corporations already behave with impunity in the US, especially when they're in areas of poverty where there aren't the resources necessary to tackle massive global corporations. You're advocating for a system that hurts people dramatically more than it helps if you think deregulation is going to lead to anything except more harm to citizens without the money and resources to defend themselves. Sitting in your room you have no idea how fucked the situation is for americans all across the country who are latching onto figures like populists and socialists who will undermine your suburban dream. This you have no solution for except give them what they want and make things worse and force the public right into their arms, make the effort to think through how a position of dramatic deregulation actually hurts people beyond your immediate line of vision if you can believe it or not

[Anonymous No.13391445]

>>13387274
Dude, just, like, have everyone give up their property and income it will just happen please trust me with your money.

[The Nomad !N8Yn.I/WbM No.13391454]

>>13391438
>how the fuck is deregulating things going to help anyone in additon I sent you a source ages ago you clearly didn't read or pay attention to addressing how automation is disrupting wages and suppressing them pay attention.
>one paper
On what scale was this carried out? In which professions? Is making slightly less really undesirable? Can these people simply not get another job or create their own business?
>The states with the most deregulation such as Louisiana have massive healthcare issues and problems that the rest of the country doesn't have like higher rates of cancers and disruption to poor communities.
Sure, it’s not because of the climate or rurality of the areas, it’s deregulation.
>You might be able to sit in your upper middle class suburb
Again with the personal assumptions and attacks.
>when in reality most corporations already behave with impunity in the US,
Bullshit. Prove it. Address any of my other points instead of running around them to propagandize to /lit/.

[Anonymous No.13391479]

>>13391454
>Can these people simply not get another job or create their own business?

I'm not the guy you are arguing with, but holy fuck, this sounds like Marie Antoinette.

[Anonymous No.13391487]

>>13391479
Can’t they?

[Anonymous No.13391490]

>>13390291
>not owning enough bitcoin to survive technofeudalism
Suit yourself anon, I'll be holding the whip.

[Anonymous No.13391499]

>>13391479
The set of people who can get another job includes: every person who is not enslaved.
The set of people who can create a business includes: every person living in a non-totalitarian society.
Those sets encompass a near-totality of people living today, anon.

[Anonymous No.13391513]

>>13387274
So the problem is property owners not voluntarily relinquishing their property, thus necessitating it be stolen by force. Got it.

[Anonymous No.13392024]

>>13387694

honestly if you truly believe this you're pretty much just an idiot
tech companies are the last type of company that rely on their CEOs to do literally anything
Nintendo and Apple two hugely profitable household name companies had their CEOs die within the decade and they barely missed a beat why because everybody knows these companies are upheld by project directors and their team of high quality desk jockeys churning out work the CEO probably can't even comprehend the true nature of

[Anonymous No.13392072]

>>13385703
>So...what exactly is wrong with capitalism?
Nothing really, it's a fine economic system that works pretty well.

Communists mythologize the economical, therefore their only critique can be of any economic system and thus all problems that they see are economical.

The west has no issue with economics, it's not that Germany needs foreign labour to avoid starvation. The issue is the culture and society *around* communism, the culture of the material, which is ironically the same thing the communists are speaking about.

Communism versus capitalism is an entirely false dichotomy.

[Anonymous No.13392169]

>>13392072
The actual correct dichotomy is statism and capitalism with the mixed economy as melding between the two.

[Anonymous No.13392446]

>>13390444
Human right are a mistake.

[Anonymous No.13392468]

>>13385767
He'd be a speedy boi or a primmy

[Anonymous No.13392484]

>>13387531
There is nothing wrong with expropriating means to produce existential and shared goods from private hands: e.g. bread, water, lodging, electricity, public transportation, school books, internet. These things must be organised in a way that covers cost, distribution and maintenance, nothing more: no one should "make money" by selling you water.

[Anonymous No.13392653]

>>13391006
a sexual fetish is not a political stance

[Anonymous No.13392727]

>>13392072
>brown people and promiscuous Stacys are the real problem

[Anonymous No.13393000]

>>13385703
OP's initial post must be reverse psychology. This, or he is the most alienated cuck possible.

[Anonymous No.13393027]

>>13392727
No. They are just symptoms, well Stacy.

The brown people are here to push the profits of corporations, they are a tool used by the capitalists to keep the economy growing, even while the ethnic European birthrates are declining due to overpopulation.
Ironically, this time again, communists and capitalists push for the same thing.

[Anonymous No.13393037]

>>13391283
Fascism is Capitalism.

Had the fascist won in 1945, they would have encouraged mass migration in europa somewhere around the 1980s/1990s, in order to increase profit (low price workforce = more profit).

Should i remind that Hitler was friend with the Muslims?

The only way i see for whites to have mono-ethnicity, is to overcome capitalism, then go live somewhere in nothern europa or russia (western europa is already lost for the whites).

[Anonymous No.13393056]

Capitalism doesn't incentivise working in a soup kitchen, writing great literature, or being a good person. People should be free to do what they want instead of being condemned to wage slavery.

[Anonymous No.13393059]

>>13393037
LOL
Yes, the guys who couldn't stop racial purity spiraling would let some brown people into their country, lmao.

Fascists were the only group to ever put up an organized fight against the capitalist system.

[Anonymous No.13393061]

>>13385703
ITT:
>REEEE NO! DADDY NEECHE WOULD HAVE BEEN OF MY POLITICAL PERSUASION IF HE WERE ALIVE TODAY. HE'D BE MY BEST FRIEND AND HE WOULD AGREE WITH EVERYTHING I SAID AND WE WOULD KISS AND EVERYTHING WOULD BE AMAZING
Pathetic

[Anonymous No.13393069]

>>13393056
>Capitalism doesn't incentivise working in a soup kitchen, writing great literature, or being a good person.
Neither does Liberalism or any other "liberation" movement, like Marxism, or any form of individualism.

[Anonymous No.13393077]

>>13393056
Yet all these things are done in a capitalist society, whereas they die under socialism.

[Anonymous No.13393117]

>>13393059
You have no clue what a classless society mean.
Modes of production which are based on the exploitation of others often don't care about racial purity. See slavery mode of production and capitalism. Feudalism might be an exception, since even if it was based on the exploitation of serfs, racial purity was preserved.

Fascist didn't do shit against Capitalism. Germany and Italy between 1933-1945 were class societies, and it's undeniable.

[Anonymous No.13393118]

>>13393027
What same thing?

>>13393059
>Fascists were the only group to ever put up an organized fight against the capitalist system.
They fought for the preservation of it against communist revolutionaries, and they succeeded.

[Anonymous No.13393155]

>>13392024
>implying their CEOs weren't replaced once they died